Confusion to BOTH of our Enemies

His Majesty has laid out a plan for voting in the Virginia Primary, where it has been arranged that Willard Mitt “Flipper” Romney would only have Ron “Protocols of Ron” Paul to oppose him; guaranteeing him a sweep of Virginia’s delegates, and the superficial appearance of strong support in a southern state. I don’t live in Virginia, but if I did, I would follow His Majesty’s plan. Vote for Paul in hope of damaging Mittens.

And, acknowledging that Newt is a deeply flawed candidate for the nomination [no hostility to Santorum, but it must be admitted that he does not rouse the passion to fight], he at least is not an open enemy of Conservatives, Patriots, and the TEA party. Thus, I can see supporting him as the only way to stop Mittens, despite Newt’s flaws.

But that leaves us with the problem of what to do if the Institutionals force Romney’s nomination. I am not saying that is certain. There are … rumblings of a brokered convention, and a certain lady from the far North has been far more involved of late, including with an open declaration of war against the Institutionals. But it is always a good thing to have a plan ready to cope with what the enemy does.

I frequent many places on the Internet, and among them is the site LEGAL INSURRECTION. One of the commenters came up with an idea that would seem to work, and work well.

1. Voting for Obama in the general election is akin to treason.
2. Voting for Romney is not functionally different in outcome, if he wins. The problem is that there is no way that he will win.
3. Further, voting for Romney only encourages the Institutionals to keep putting up Vichy Republicans and suppressing Conservatives.
4. Voting for another conservative party has downsides I will explain.
5. Undervoting the ticket [leaving the President/VP lines blank] or writing in even if it will not be counted are options, but not as effective as this from “Darkstar58” at LEGAL INSURRECTION:


Darkstar58 | January 31, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Many of us will likely do the same if extreme Liberal Governor turned say anything car salesman Establishment candidate gets the nod.

Although, if there is someone on the ticket, I still think our votes would be best served going to whoever is under the Green Party flag. If they get 5%, they get Fed help for future elections and splitting the Dem ticket for years to come is a chance I cant pass up if forced to choose between “Them (Obama) and Them (Romney)” (as STF put it)

And

Darkstar58 | January 31, 2012 at 3:00 pm

No, getting the “Green Party” Fed recognition will ensure the Democrat vote is split in the future (making it easier for Republicans or Tea Party-like candidates running under a Republican Nomination to get elected)

If the “Libertarian Party” were to gain Fed Recognition it would hurt the GOP/TeaParty and mean much more Democrat Control moving forward.

“sending a message” will be accomplished by the low percentage of Romney-Republican and Romney-Independent turnout. Voting Johnson ultimately accomplishes nothing, and stands to hurt us a ton moving forward.

I will not vote Libertarian because of it unless there is absolutely no other name on the ticket.

I’m a Nader (or whoever) man all the way if Romney gets the nod…

The discrepancy between total votes cast for Republicans downticket, and for Romney should get the attention of the Institutional leadership. And it would; if they gave an airborne coital thrust at a rotating, radially symmetric, toroidal fried piece of dough translating over a surface, about what the base thinks. They do not care about us, so long as they hold on to power within the party. They are not only willing, but eager, to lose to Obama. If Obama wins, there is no additional internal party threat to the power of the Institutional Republicans. Being a kept opposition is a very good and profitable gig, if you have no soul.

So what do we do to not collaborate with the Institutionals and still hurt the Democrats?

There are two minor parties on the Conservative side, the Libertarians and the Constitution Party. Like it or not, the Libertarians are tainted with the mixed message of being associated with the more outré statements of Ron Paul. So long as he is one of their leading lights, that condition will obtain.

The Constitution Party is irredeemably tainted, for me at least. Here in Colorado, we have a Democrat as governor, elected in 2010. A TEA Party supported candidate won the Republican nomination. This horrified the Republican Central Committee, and they demanded that he step down because he was “unsuitable”. The meeting with the Central Committee was … noteworthy. Also, unsatisfactory from the Central Committee’s point of view as the general tenor of our candidate’s response was FOAD.

So, the Republican Central Committee cut a deal with the Constitution Party. The Constitution Party replaced their already selected governor candidate with a RCC selected Republican who changed his registration temporarily [Tom Tancredo, a Republican again since a week after the election]. In return, the Republicans arranged to finance the Constitution Party’s campaign, and guaranteed them 5% of the vote. That last gave them Major Party status under Colorado law, and automatic ballot access without petitions statewide. With the Republicans pushing the Constitution Party and NOT supporting the TEA Party Republican, the Democrat won handily, which pleased them. The Republicans kept a TEA Party candidate from winning office; which for them was a worthwhile trade for the governorship. And the Constitution Party got major party status, which they never would have done electorally. The only ones who lost were the TEA Party Patriots.

But if Romney is the Republican candidate; a vote for the Green Party presidential candidate, whoever he/she/it is gives us a win, with no additional downside. If Conservatives can get them to the point where they qualify for Federal campaign financing, they will have a real, albeit small and less than competent, national campaign. It means that instead of voting automatically for the Democrat and helping them win; they will vote for their own and lose. It will weaken the Democrats and make our own separation from the Institutionals that much easier. And it is not as if Democrat attempts to pander to the Greens will make things worse. When is the last time that the Democrats have made a policy decision that did not put the opinions of the Greens above the rest of the country? And if the Greens go full-on Moonbat, all it will do is discredit themselves further with the rest of the country, and harm the Democrats by implication.

I grant that the elections of 2012 are themselves at great risk from a possible fake state of emergency. And if Obama is re-elected, future elections are problematical at best. But if Romney is the nominee, he is not going to win. It is impossible, and his Institutional sponsors well know it. So, just to have the chance of influencing any putative future elections that might occur in 2014 and beyond; instead of voting for the pale pastel pink Romney, vote for the Greenest critter you can find at the top of a ticket.

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

49 comments

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    Brilliant! :em01:

    However. Let’s first see if the efforts to get Ogabe removed from state tickets because he’s not a natural-born citizen go somewhere. It’s gaining traction…

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    :em04:

    And pink elephants will fly around the capital singing zippity doo dah.

    You still haven’t figured it out yet. Nobody is really expected to win this time around. It is quaint to think that We the People actually have a say as to who wins and who doesn’t, but we don’t. We are given the choices between bad and worse and even that isn’t a sure bet. We get who is given to us, the person the Big Money primps and puts in place.

    All of your “stratergizing” and “what-ifs” is just mental masturbation. The fix is in, and it has been for a long time.
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    Guess that means we should all just give up, do nothing, and become good little sheeple. Thanks but no thanks. Im a sheep dog, always have been always will be. It may be in your genes to quit, but Im not quitting till I cant fight anymore or Im dead.

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    Orion growls and barks:

    Spot on, DJ.

    And no, Troy, it doesn’t.

    I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if nearly half the eligible voters in this country stayed HOME. Survey after survey shows that the vast majority of Americans have no faith in the government and do not believe that it represents them. Surveys also confirm that the vast majority of Americans believe the system is utterly corrupt and broken. It’s time for a wake-up call, don’t you think?

    Then we can look at other means of returning this country to a Constitutional Republic. I’m sure there’s some legal means of doing so.

    Orion

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    Orion growls and barks:

    @Troy
    Further – the SHEEPLE thing to do is to keep pretending that your vote matters. To keep doing what is expected of all the rest of the flock. Baa, Baa, pull the lever, baa, baa.

    This is WRONG and we all know it. The question is how do we fix it? And we’re NOT going to fix it by doing more of the same. “Gee, if I just cleverly cast my meaningless ballot often enough, the system will suddenly work and become fair and elect decent people!” NOT.

    Orion

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Guess that means we should all just give up, do nothing, and become good little sheeple.

    Well, the deck IS kinda stacked against us right now, but NO.

    The way to win back the country is not armed revolution — but starting back at the basics. Local government on out. You need to fix the foundation before you can fix the building.

    You first need to take back the Congress. I am not talking about Republicans or Democrats — that’s two sides of the same coin. You need to put people in place that AREN’T part of the rarefied air of Washington DC, and who AREN’T just puppets of the people with big wallets.

    Take a lesson from the people of Wisconsin who are working to unseat Scott Walker et al. Forget their politics — that is immaterial at the moment. They are going up NOT against Walker, but the people behind Walker. They are fighting obscene amounts of money and they will win.

    You need to do the same.

    The big problem I have with the Right (and a lot of the Left) is not ideology, it is the MONEY behind them. We don’t run things any more the handful of people with deep pockets do. We just get called upon every now and then to pull a lever for some puppet or another.

    When we started to let money speak for us, we lost our control over our own government. We ALL see the problem, we can even agree there IS a problem. But we can’t seem to agree how to FIX that problem.

    The Occupy people aren’t too far different than anyone else here — just the tactics they choose to draw attention to what is happening. We are broken, and we are getting worse, not better. I see it as an inevitability, that it was bound to happen. We probably need a reset. The question is, HOW.

    Armed revolution? That’s a loser from the git-go. Occupy government offices? That only works so far as to draw attention, and after a while it gets about as old as dead fish.
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:
    And now you’re strategerizing. Where’s the pink flying elephants now? You would get a lot more credibility if you’de drop your condecending style

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Orion @ #:
    Please advise me where I ever gave you the fucking impression that I advocated a continuation of this bullshit?

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Divide et Impera, Subotai, I like it!

    Strengthen the fracture within the NSDWP and let them waste resources trying to stop the leak.

    As to the whole “hold your nose because Ogabe is worse” vs. “fuck this, I ain’t voting for either” dust-up that is bound to come, I will take neither side, albeit I’m on the latter myself. I wasn’t up until Florida, but having watched Josef Mittens OgabeCare employ the exact same sleazy tactics as our enemies AND be too cowardly to do the dirty work himself, there is no way in Hades I’m pulling the lever for him if he, Heaven forbid!, gets the nomination which is FAR from decided yet, no matter what Rich “Peach Fuzz” Lowry of the Kindergarten Wing of the GOP et al stay.

    I fucking hate and despise sleaze merchant cowards, no matter what letter they put after their names. Not to mention that if he can do that against his own, then I know exactly what to expect from a presidency of his. You can forget your starry-eyed dreams of “reining him in and keeping him honest with a strong conservative Congress.”

    He has no standards, he has no morals and he has no honor.

    Honor. Duty. Country.

    Fail on one of the above and you’re out.

    But those who differ, those who would rather vote for Mittens than not vote at all have a point too. I don’t think they’re right, but I know that they are motivated by nothing but love for our country and deep concern about a second Ogabe term.

    I respect that, 100%, and I will not castigate, ridicule or lecture them, because we’re on the same side, only approaching it from different angles. I do not question their “conservatism”, I have no reason to, and I will not spit on good people whom I know have the same end goal as mine just because our methods differ slightly.

    And, back to your post, it’s also true that it won’t really matter if some of us “hold our noses”, because a Mittens candidacy is doomed from the beginning.

    He just doesn’t have the numbers. The “Anybody but Ogabe” crowd just isn’t big enough. The big block of “in the balance” voters that do have the numbers to make a difference have seen what Mittens is really like and are getting to the point of “they’re both douchenozzles, so I just don’t give a shit either way.” The polls confirm it.

    And I’m not talking about the “true independents”, meaning those who are motivated to pick a candidate but just haven’t decided yet, they’re a much smaller group than the Idiotarian MittBots would have us believe, I’m talking about the vastly larger group of “independents” who haven’t picked a party and really don’t care, they just need a reason to even bother and pick one.

    Mittens, thanks to his NRO-approved scorched earth tactics because his feewings got hurt in SC (such a well-tempered, calm candidate!), has alienated those in spades. They don’t see parties and grand principles, they just look for a difference in the candidates, and they’re currently moving into the “why the fuck waste a couple of hours to pick between two cunt molds?” column. And he’s already murdered his base support, which is what runs a general election campaign because they’re the foot soldiers who keep it alive.

    He’s dead if he’s the nominee.

    Which is why our primary strategy must remain “Anybody But Mittens” in the primaries if we want to WIN this election.

    And if he’s the nominee, then our strategy must switch to “SHOW UP AND VOTE DOWN TICKET!”

    I don’t care if you vote for nobody at all on the presidential ticket because they’re both shitbirds or if you vote for Mittens because he’s Not Obama™, both are defensible positions, but…

    SHOW UP AND VOTE!

    Why would you want to punish good candidates down ticket just because the top billing pisses you off?

    Thatisall.
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    redc1c4 growls and barks:

    living as i do in the People’s Republic of California, i can cheerfully NOT vote for Mittens with a clear conscience, as there is no way in hell he’s getting a majority here, even if he captures 100% of the illegal alien vote, but i love the idea of pushing the Green’s up into the brackets, as that will screw with the Dems locally here too.

    as for Mittens, we don’t really need another reason to despise him, but here is one anyway:

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Take a lesson from the people of Wisconsin who are working to unseat Scott Walker et al. Forget their politics — that is immaterial at the moment. They are going up NOT against Walker, but the people behind Walker. They are fighting obscene amounts of money and they will win.

    :em05: :em05:

    You really haven’t a clue what’s going on in Wisconsin.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    LC Gunsniper @ #12:

    Yeppers, Gunsniper. I swear, every time either Deej or Orion open their mouths and try to rebut, their “facts” seem to exactly describe either what the Libs/Progressive are doing, have done, or are planning to do.

    You’re correct, they really don’t have a clue. :em05:

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    [no hostility to Santorum, but it must be admitted that he does not rouse the passion to fight]

    I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count?
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    If mittenz gets the nomination, judging by the number or horrifically written ad-hom’ attack calls we logged on our phones and BS filled mailers in our mailbox,, it sure ain’t gonna’ be a debate of facts or reason.. All we’ll wind up with is a leader who can fund the most attack ads.
    Whatever happened to Tha Good Stuff?

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Mittens may fuck up the country as badly as Ogabe, but I’m hoping he’ll do it more slowly since it will be his first term and we’ll have a bit of breathing room.

    Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he shreds the constitution.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count?

    I live in Pennsylvania Nicki, you’re being entirely to good to the guy. I worked on his Senate campaign in 94, took some photos for the county GOP, helped set up for local events, things like that. I’ve met him on a couple of occasions, and even if I wasn’t familiar with his record those meetings would be enough for me not to vote for the guy. He is a snake of the first order.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Trouble is… none of it matters. In the era of American Idol and duck-faced guido girls with Gucci bags (yes, these things actually vote) it is impossible to get anyone with sense anywhere near major political office. Larry Elder posited the “Elvis factor” where approximately 10% of the population believes Elvis is still alive, and if you write a letter to him, he might even respond.

    10% of the population is so stupid you will never reach them.

    A further 20+% accepts some form of government money, directly. I’m not talking getting a home loan backed by Fannie or Freddie, or working for the military. I’m talking actively receiving government checks, directly. These people will never vote anything other than Democrat.

    A further 20+% is Hipster/Bureaucrat (government employee)/Education sector/etc… A few of these might be reached, but the vast majority are impossible.

    50% of the voting populace is invested in a corrupt, bureaucratic, big government system.

    Add to that the fact that we have country club republicans, a great deal of people who check the Republican box reflexively, without thinking, just because their grandpappy did, or some shit.

    I’m shooting from the hip here, but my guess is 70% or more of America is suffering from terminal ignorance. And we can’t have a workable political system when so many people are dumb. All you get are people who are good at marketing to Dumb People. Of course they look idiotic to us, we aren’t dumb. But they don’t really NEED our votes.

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Igor, Imperial Booby says:

    You’re correct, they really don’t have a clue. :em05:

    Clue? Obama will be president until 2017. You can bank on it. All of the rest is mental masturbation at this point.

    Unless you find the alternative to Obama — and I don’t mean the current occupants of the Republican Klown Kar (past or present) — Obama will win. The only question will be by what margin.

    It is you who doesn’t seem to have that “clue”, and that clue is that the Republican movers and shakers are sitting this one out.

    Now you guys can wax on here about how “Honor. Duty. Country” all you want, because frankly the argument is specious at best, and plainly over-dramatic. The same goes with all of that revolution with guns bullshit. It pumps up the chest almost to the point where it extends past the gut, but that’s about it.

    You are all for the defending the Constitution until it delivers a result that you don’t like.
    LC Xealot @ #18:

    And so you propose to simply cut out that “70%” (and maybe tack on another 10% for good measure) and rule the country by the remaining 20 percent of your like-minded group? Yeah, that’s exactly what the founding fathers envisioned.
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    Bones growls and barks:

    DJ, in some of your post’s you actually make sense, others, not so much. What the Founding Fathers envisioned was that those with a stake in the game (landowners, those who actually PAY taxes) are the ones who would be able to vote, therefore controlling the direction of the government, whether local, state of fed. SOMEHOW, that’s not what we (as a nation) are currently doing. Strange, what/when were those changes and what individuals were instrumental in stirring up the controversy to ensure “fairness”. I’m sure that you won’t get it, but this point in time has been a very long time coming. It was/has been planned out and now we are about to have “chickens coming home to roost”. Make of it what you will, no one will ever be able to change your mind for you, you must do the research yourself and come to your own conclusions. :em03:

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    LC Wicked Fenrir growls and barks:

    In further news, it’s so fun to watch Little Jenny Rubin get her tits slapped, and watch her spin franticlly :em05:

    First here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/egomaniacs-r-us-trump-to-pick-newt/2012/02/01/gIQA5iC8jQ_blog.html

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Clue? Obama will be president until 2017. You can bank on it.

    You willing to back that statement with some appreciable resource?

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    All of the rest is mental masturbation at this point.

    You either have a fixation or you need to get a new catch phrase. You’ve worn this one out. I find it extremely telling that when you offer your thoughts on a subject it is pure as the driven snow, but when others offer theirs it’s a exercise in futility.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Now you guys can wax on here about how “Honor. Duty. Country” all you want, because frankly the argument is specious at best, and plainly over-dramatic

    Maybe to you, but I submit that it is the lack of any conceptual morality that has led our nation to our current condition. Please refrain from projecting your inadequacies on others.

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    And so you propose to simply cut out that “70%” (and maybe tack on another 10% for good measure) and rule the country by the remaining 20 percent of your like-minded group? Yeah, that’s exactly what the founding fathers envisioned.

    What percentage of the potential voters actually vote? Im certain that the founders didn’t envision this nonsense, they were wasting time considering archaic things like Honor, Duty, Country, Right, Wrong, etc. etc. Least they wrote about those things A LOT.

    I have something for you to consider, How about you tell us how DJ would go about “fixing” this system? I mean really give it some thought. Consider your approach, implementation, and projected timeline for correction.

    You get what ya give DJ. Ever notice that?

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    You festering turdnugget (pardon my French). Did I say that? “And so you propose to simply cut out that 70%.” Is that what I said, DJ? No. Don’t put your words in my mouth.

    What I said was 70% of the country is terminally ignorant. I didn’t propose disenfranchisement as a solution. In fact I mentioned nothing of a solution, because I’m not sure there -IS- one. The way to undo Stupid is to Think. I’m not entirely certain most people are even prepared to do that.

    And the Founding Fathers assumed a certain level of intelligence on the part of those that were to follow them. I’m sad to say, we’ve probably disappointed them a great deal. The real solution is for parents to stop babying their kids, stop spoiling them (and/or stop showing them how easy it is to live off others), and teach them a thing or two rather than rely on the public education system to indoctrinate the next round of Dumb Socialists. But that’s not going to happen.

    Either way, Deej, get a better argument next time ;).

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Clue? Obama will be president until 2017. You can bank on it. All of the rest is mental masturbation at this point.

    Today, Politico’s Jim VandeHei reports that economic indicators should have Barack Obama worried about his re-election prospects, not more sanguine. VandeHei relies heavily on this week’s economic and deficit projections from the CBO, but perhaps not heavily enough:

    A new CBO report grabbed lots of headlines for projecting the deficit will top $1 trillion this year — making Obama the first president ever to pile up $1 trillion or more every year in office. That’s not great politics. But it’s not even the worst news contained in the CBO report. The unemployment number is.

    The CBO projects unemployment will rise, hitting 8.8 percent in the third quarter of the year, the heart of the campaign. That’s terrible politics. Obama advisers have told us repeatedly on background that if unemployment is above 8.5 percent in the final months of the campaign, it will be extremely hard, if not impossible, to win. The advisers say independents will not return to Obama if it looks like economic growth is anemic and uncertain and it looks like his policies did little, if anything, to create new jobs under his watch.

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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Gladiator, that all depends on whom Obama is running against. Romney isn’t likely to inspire a whole lot more confidence, I suspect, than Obama himself. Some say that makes him more electable, but the fact is if he’s not inspiring enough to draw supporters to the voting booth, turnout will stink and he’ll still lose.

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Donald Trump to endorse Mitt Romney

    Just fuck it…all of it. Bloodshed is coming and there’s not a goddamn thing to stop it. We’re going to be neck deep in it. The wealthy and the RINOs are backing the establishment whore and telling everybody else to go fuck themselves and the NSDWP are pissing all over themselves that they are so close to Stalin’s dream they can taste the cum load.

    Jefferson was right,

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    When John Cameron says “Fuck this I’m outa’a here” then you know we’re fucked.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The way to win back the country is not armed revolution — but starting back at the basics. Local government on out. You need to fix the foundation before you can fix the building.

    Its a good thing DJ and his ilk werent prevalent in 1776. We would still be a British Colony.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Subotai,

    A couple of things:

    1) Could you (or anyone) help me with “…the more outré statements of Ron Paul” – seriously – I wasn’t paying that much attention to him until this primary Cluster really got ramped up, and now what I really have to go on are his position statements.

    2) Did your county ever get that referendum by/from/for the Sheriff on-line? I have a couple of people asking for examples now.

    Thanks,

    – MD

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Fuck it…. I wanna divorce! :em01:

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:
    I don’t know about that. Santorum rouses my passion to punch him in the throat. Does that count?
    I live in Pennsylvania Nicki, you’re being entirely to good to the guy. I worked on his Senate campaign in 94, took some photos for the county GOP, helped set up for local events, things like that. I’ve met him on a couple of occasions, and even if I wasn’t familiar with his record those meetings would be enough for me not to vote for the guy. He is a snake of the first order.

    My parents live in PA, and I grew up there. So yeah… I’m being too nice. The fact that he would wipe his ass with the Constitution in order to dictate to free individuals how they need to live their lives makes him odious enough, but yeah…
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    Veeshir growls and barks:

    A good idea is a good idea.

    I like it.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    ONE MORE TIME

    I’ve heard more than a few Newt and Paul supporters out there; “If Romney wins, I’m staying home on election day”.

    While I’m not especially passionate about Romney just yet, I’ll reiterate what an awful idea this is. Don’t go there, people.

    I’ve got ten suggestions for much more-productive responses.

    Keep things in perspective – Forget Gingrich’s Alinskiite rhetoric for a moment; Romney’s not a “liberal”. Remember William F. Buckley’s advice – “Vote for the most conservative person who can win?” Romney was the most conservative person who could win…in Massachusetts. He was the most conservative person who could make any headway against a Massachusetts legislature that made Ted Kennedy look like Michelle Bachmann. Is he the most conservative candidate who could win in a nationwide general election? Perhaps, perhaps not. But if not? We’ll come back to that. The point being, he’s not just “not a liberal” – on economics, which is what really matters in this election, he’s conservative enough. And for the rest? Well, we’ll get back to that down the list a ways.
    Relax. Take a deep breath. The world doesn’t begin or end with this nomination. Or even with this election. Even if Romney is as bad as some of you claim, this nation has survived worse. Hell, we’re surviving worse right now. Focus, people; getting Obama out of office is the key – and while some of you reject incrementalism (and I reject the idea that Romney is especially incremental, and even if he is – well, we’ll get back to that below), sometimes it’s all you got, and you gotta deal with it, and when you gotta deal with it, you want the increments to move in the right direction. Romney’s not perfect, but he’s the right direction – and, I suggest, not just a little.
    Remember The Positive Influence You Do Have – The caucuses and primaries aren’t over. We’re seven months away from the convention – and three months away from the state conventions that will empanel the delegates. This isn’t a done deal yet. I can live with Romney – maybe even better – but I’m caucusing for…I dunno, probably Santorum on Tuesday. Not that I’m thrilled with Santorum, either, but I want Mitt and his supporters to know that to win me (and, I hope, millions like me) that he’s going to have to be more aggressively conservative than he has been acting.
    Go Shooting. It’s great stress relief. It focuses the mind. And it shows Romney – and Obama – that you can’t whiz on the Second Amendment. It’s a threefer.
    Remember The Alternative – You think four more years of Obama would be better than four to eight of Romney? There’s a caveat to this, of course – more below.
    No, Remember The Real Alternative – I hear those among you who say you’ll sit this election out. ”If the party loses because they didn’t go conservative enough for me, it’ll teach them a lesson”. That’s not only groaningly solipsistic – it’s not, after all, all about you – it’s also just not the way political parties and organizations work. I’ve said it a few times in the past few weeks, and I’m going to keep saying it until y’all get it right; Political parties don’t “learn lessons” – they reflect the will of those who show up. And if conservatives – and all you libertarian Ron Paul supporters – don’t show up, then the “establishment wins. And don’t be yapping about “voting Libertarian”, because…
    Third Parties Are to “Parties” What Near Beer Is To Beer. Let’s be honest; if you are a conservative or a libertarian, the GOP is the only chance you have to actually affect policy for real. The Libertarian, Constitution and Conservative parties are futile, vote-wasting protest actions at best, intellectual onanism at worst. None of them will ever, ever, ever, ever affect the way policy is enacted in this country. Ever. And I say that as someone who not only sincerely wishes they could, but worked for it as a Libertarian Party member. And remember – you, the conservative and libertarian and Tea Partier, have had a huge effect already; four years ago, Romney was defending himself against charges he was “too conservative”; today, it’s the opposite. This is a good thing. You – we – have moved the needle in the GOP. ”But it hasn’t moved far enough and fast enough!”, you say? Suck it up, little camper, and put down the TV remote; political parties don’t change like one of those jump cuts in an NFL game of the week. It takes time, patience and effort. Hell, it took Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater close to 20 years to change the GOP, and even that didn’t stick.
    Be Honest: Campaign rhetoric is one thing – real records, and their context, are much more useful. Romney needs to be kept honest – i.e, conservative – and we have the power to do that (see, again, below), but it’s not like we’re trying to reform Che Guevara, here.
    Numbers Count: Remember Buckley’s Commandment from earlier in the post? ”Elect the most conservative candidate who can win?” Newt’s negatives shouldn’t be the dispositive factor in this nomination, but you might wanna be mindful of the fact that 60% of the American people would rather have Slobodan Milosevic for President. And Ron Paul is a shoe-in in the general – so say his supporters. Who are, so far, 1/6-1/10 of the GOP. If he can’t win the GOP, I’m at a loss for how he has even a faint shot at the general. I’d love to hear a Ronulan spell out a case that leads Paul to the White House that doesn’t include the phrase “and then Ron Paul convinces everyone that he’s ideal”. Honestly – I’d love to hear it. Rand Paul might be another story, and there, I’m all ears – but that’s the future. As far as I”m concerned, for right now the electoral world ends in November. Focus.
    Checks, Balances. So what if the GOP had no candidate at all, and we were looking at a victory for Obama by default today? What would you be doing now, all you good conservatives? Working to make sure the conservatives hold the House and take the Senate? OK – so let’s say Romney really is as bad as you all want us to believe he is. And let’s say he’s inevitable. Your choices then are “stay home” or “do what you’d do if Obama was going to win – try to negate his power and influence by taking control of Congress”. Why, precisely, should you not then be working to flip the Senate and extend our lead in the House/ Because the opportunity is there, folks, to not just flip Congress completely against either Obama or a hypothetical “moderate” Romney, but flip it to a version of the GOP that, so far, has been pretty Beltway-proof, and fairly dedicated to the mission for which they were sent to GOP by the Tea Party and a newly-resurgent conservative movement in the first place; to govern like conservatives. Keeping them that way is our job. Provided we don’t “stay home” and “teach everyone a lesson”. Because the only “lesson” you “teach” by staying home is that you’re unreliable and marginal. Don’t be that.

    Or you can stay home. Your call.
    h/t HOT Air

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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #29 LC MuscleDaddy

    Our County Clerk is slow and has not posted the January meeting minutes. I got my scanner 10-8 and if you have an email, I’ll send a scan of ours in Fremont County to you. I don’t have El Paso County’s and their clerk will not answer emails. However, I am given to understand from our people who went to assist the TEA Party up there that theirs is stricter and mandates that the Sheriff protect the constitutional rights of its citizens.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #35 rickl

    That just adds to the humor of it; if they get Federal funded status under Roseanne Barr. Talk about being in a shadow!

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    readerjp growls and barks:

    I can’t post a topic, so I’ll introduce it sideways. Does anyone think that Obama’s current war on religion – I mean, the sheer chutzpah of telling the Catholic Church they HAVE to hand out contraceptives and offer abortions – will have any effect on the vote?

    And then there’s this:

    Obama: Jesus Would Back Higher Taxes

    President Barack Obama linked his economic policies to his Christian faith, saying on Thursday that meeting the nation’s challenges requires strong values as much as smart policies.

    Obama, making his third appearance as president at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, used his remarks to justify many of his actions, such as his call for the wealthy to pay more in taxes and his health care overhaul. He said they were not only economically sound but also rooted in his Christian values.

    “When I talk about shared responsibility, it’s because I genuinely believe that in a time when many folks are struggling and at a time when we have enormous deficits, it’s hard for me to ask seniors on a fixed income or young people with student loans or middle-class families who can barely pay the bills to shoulder the burden alone,” Obama said.

    “But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’ teaching that, for unto whom much is given, much shall be required,” he said.

    Does this offend anyone? I know the Cardinal of NY spoke out against it. I’m not even Catholic and I’m offended.

    I thought religious people were bitter clingers.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:

    Thank you sir – I may be reached Here

    – MD

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Whoa – Nice Newt-Ad right Here

    – MD

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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #38 LC MuscleDaddy

    That link just takes me to the ROTT main page.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    Virago growls and barks:

    Mark12A growls and barks

    Mittens may fuck up the country as badly as Ogabe, but I’m hoping he’ll do it more slowly since it will be his first term and we’ll have a bit of breathing room.

    Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he shreds the constitution.

    That is the only reason I would hold my nose and vote for Mittens,

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @ #:
    D’oh! – Sorry, that’s what I get for trying to be slick with a link to something that wasn’t actually a URL.

    Okay, let’s go with this then

    (pay no attention to how long ago the last post was)

    Thanks again,
    – MD

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    Mark12A says:

    Ogabe will not be running for re-election in 2016 so he won’t give two shits about who he pisses off or how badly he shreds the constitution.

    On steroids.
    LC Light29ID says:

    Donald Trump to endorse Mitt Romney
    Just fuck it…all of it. Bloodshed is coming and there’s not a goddamn thing to stop it. We’re going to be neck deep in it. The wealthy and the RINOs are backing the establishment whore and telling everybody else to go fuck themselves and the NSDWP are pissing all over themselves that they are so close to Stalin’s dream they can taste the cum load.
    Jefferson was right,

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

    When John Cameron says “Fuck this I’m outa’a here” then you know we’re fucked.

    Genius!

    ABO ’12!
    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician recently posted..INSOLENT: Obama Twists and Invokes the Teachings of Jesus to Justify Fair Share SwindleMy Profile

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Since we havent had an OPEN THREAD in a LONG time (hint,hint, liked em weekly),and since this IS Super Bowl Weekend, I present to you the BEST Super Bowl Commercial of ALL TIME. Only a liberal-marxist-democrat would disagree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zXZX2sXHYI&feature=player_embedded#!

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    bloodyspartan growls and barks:

    You know Dj Just when I think you have a little logic , you piss and shit on Duty , Honor , Country and maybe even the Almighty,.

    Well if that is how you truly feel don’t get in the way of my Katana or 6.8mm SPC and RUM.

    You have to be shitting me when Kids are dying for these disgusting P.O S. dishonorous, traitorous politicians.. The time to fix it is gone. We have to start from scratch with Honorable Men and Women.

    There is one thing I will leave you with, and it is not talk and the crap you mentioned, It’s too late for your fantasies.,

    “”"”it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..”"”"”

    As written in Blood by the Old Rich White Men.

    I know my duty do YOU?

    We already know how to do it , just follow our True Leaders, no ned to reinvent the Wheel as you suggest.


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