But He’s the Only ELECTABLE One!

Figures, to anybody but the Lowry/Rubin crowd of Idiotarians, that Mittens “Slash and Burn” RomneyCare would be facing some major backlash as a result of his week-long slash and burn campaign of lies and smears in order to win Florida, but don’t expect the RINOcracy MittBots to be paying any attention to that rather large elephant behind the curtain.

It also has cost Mr. Romney — at least for now — the generally likable image that he has nurtured for years. In polls during the last several weeks, the number of people who view him favorably has plunged, especially among independent voters who will likely decide the general election later this year.

In a Washington Post/ABC News poll last week, 49 percent of the respondents nationwide held an unfavorable view of Mr. Romney, while only 31 percent had a favorable one. That is a reversal from last September, when more people held a favorable view of Mr. Romney than an unfavorable one.

Independents, in particular, now have a less favorable opinion of Mr. Romney, with favorable opinions dropping from a high in the mid-40s in late November to a low of 23 percent last week, according to the Post/ABC News poll.

Yeah, we highlighted that particular bit since it seems rather important, now that we’ve heard time and time again that the base just has to shut up and eat the shit sandwich because Mittens the Fair Haired RINO of Taxachusetts is all about the Independents!!!11!1!1!

You know, “it doesn’t really matter what the worthless, dependable slaves on the plantation think, we have to get the independents.” How’s that working out for you, Mr. Electable? Because it seems to us that, even if you assume for the sake of discussion that that’s true, dropping 20 points because you’ve shown yourself to be a carbon copy of he inexcusably vile leftists among said independents isn’t exactly, how can we put it?, WINNING!

So you’ve not only managed to piss off actual conservatives to the point where they might not even bother to go vote for you in the general, much less put in any foot work for you during the campaign and trust us, you won’t be getting the pavement-pounding, phone-calling, leaflet-distributing power you HAVE to have to win out of “independents” who really don’t give a shit other than, maybe, showing up to pull a lever once every four years, you’ve ALSO managed to turn those independents away from you to the point where they might not even show up at the polls.

Heckuva job, MittBama!

And please, people, do NOT be disheartened by Mittens bringing home a pathetic win in Florida after he paid, what, $15 million for it and, on top of it, managed to alienate everybody who might vote for him in the future.

If he HADN’T won this primary after all that he (and the RINOcracy enablers) did, then he’d be over. They have no tricks left in the box and, if you ask us, good luck keeping that losing formula up for the remaining 46 states.

Mittens managed in the past to play the part of the “above it all, gentleman candidate” while keeping people’s attention off of the fact that his goons did all the wet work for him, much like a current resident of 1600 Penn Ave we could mention, but he really let his dick hang out after he got trounced in SC. That was his big mistake. And it’s what’s going to kill him from here on out.

Mittens has two options going forward in the primaries: He can either continue copying the Alinskyite tactics of the left as he did in the run-up to the Florida primary, which will cost him a fortune and, more importantly, turn more and more people away from him as they realize what a shit-flinging hypocrite bastard he is. This will doom him in the general election. Or he can try to pretend to be the old “well-mannered Mittens” who sticks only to the facts, in which case he doesn’t stand a chance because A) a large part of the electorate won’t buy it because they now KNOW that he’s a flip-flopping, lying, opportunist son of a whore and B) sticking to the facts isn’t exactly going to help a flip-flopping, lying, opportunist son of a whore.

Somebody please map out a path to victory for us based on that, because we don’t see one.

As to his “electability” based on his “moderate” creds (and anybody calling him a “moderate” after his proven scorched earth campaign of lies in Florida is a confirmed, certified, card-carrying imbecile), let’s turn to other “moderate” GOP presidential candidates and ask them how that worked out for them in the general election:

Presidents Dewey, Ford, Dole and McCain, please stand up.

Oh, wait…

Thatisall.

46 comments

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Here in the Sunshine state, Mittens wins by a large majority.

    They don’t call it ‘Floriduh” for nothing.

    Meanwhile the GOP establishment and the Obama Administration are giddy with glee as the media pundits proclaim that it’s now “a done deal” and Mittens will be the nominee.

    An interesting side note: Florida was stripped of half its delegates when they moved the primary up. So I suppose it could’ve been worse.

    I’ll wait for “Super Tuesday” before I start up with predictions of another McCain like train wreck in November.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    They don’t call Florida “God’s waiting room” for nothing. Have the people down there are decrepit Massachusetts hacks who left Mass to avoid all the taxes. :em07:
    Well, I have a pleasant memory from last night in any case. I went and saw Underworld 4. You can’t go wrong with Kate Beckensale in a sprayed on outfit and fangs. :em01:
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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    I’ve heard more than a few Newt and Paul supporters out there; “If Romney wins, I’m staying home on election day”.

    While I’m not especially passionate about Romney just yet, I’ll reiterate what an awful idea this is. Don’t go there, people.

    I’ve got ten suggestions for much more-productive responses.

    Keep things in perspective – Forget Gingrich’s Alinskiite rhetoric for a moment; Romney’s not a “liberal”. Remember William F. Buckley’s advice – “Vote for the most conservative person who can win?” Romney was the most conservative person who could win…in Massachusetts. He was the most conservative person who could make any headway against a Massachusetts legislature that made Ted Kennedy look like Michelle Bachmann. Is he the most conservative candidate who could win in a nationwide general election? Perhaps, perhaps not. But if not? We’ll come back to that. The point being, he’s not just “not a liberal” – on economics, which is what really matters in this election, he’s conservative enough. And for the rest? Well, we’ll get back to that down the list a ways.
    Relax. Take a deep breath. The world doesn’t begin or end with this nomination. Or even with this election. Even if Romney is as bad as some of you claim, this nation has survived worse. Hell, we’re surviving worse right now. Focus, people; getting Obama out of office is the key – and while some of you reject incrementalism (and I reject the idea that Romney is especially incremental, and even if he is – well, we’ll get back to that below), sometimes it’s all you got, and you gotta deal with it, and when you gotta deal with it, you want the increments to move in the right direction. Romney’s not perfect, but he’s the right direction – and, I suggest, not just a little.
    Remember The Positive Influence You Do Have – The caucuses and primaries aren’t over. We’re seven months away from the convention – and three months away from the state conventions that will empanel the delegates. This isn’t a done deal yet. I can live with Romney – maybe even better – but I’m caucusing for…I dunno, probably Santorum on Tuesday. Not that I’m thrilled with Santorum, either, but I want Mitt and his supporters to know that to win me (and, I hope, millions like me) that he’s going to have to be more aggressively conservative than he has been acting.
    Go Shooting. It’s great stress relief. It focuses the mind. And it shows Romney – and Obama – that you can’t whiz on the Second Amendment. It’s a threefer.
    Remember The Alternative – You think four more years of Obama would be better than four to eight of Romney? There’s a caveat to this, of course – more below.
    No, Remember The Real Alternative – I hear those among you who say you’ll sit this election out. ”If the party loses because they didn’t go conservative enough for me, it’ll teach them a lesson”. That’s not only groaningly solipsistic – it’s not, after all, all about you – it’s also just not the way political parties and organizations work. I’ve said it a few times in the past few weeks, and I’m going to keep saying it until y’all get it right; Political parties don’t “learn lessons” – they reflect the will of those who show up. And if conservatives – and all you libertarian Ron Paul supporters – don’t show up, then the “establishment wins. And don’t be yapping about “voting Libertarian”, because…
    Third Parties Are to “Parties” What Near Beer Is To Beer. Let’s be honest; if you are a conservative or a libertarian, the GOP is the only chance you have to actually affect policy for real. The Libertarian, Constitution and Conservative parties are futile, vote-wasting protest actions at best, intellectual onanism at worst. None of them will ever, ever, ever, ever affect the way policy is enacted in this country. Ever. And I say that as someone who not only sincerely wishes they could, but worked for it as a Libertarian Party member. And remember – you, the conservative and libertarian and Tea Partier, have had a huge effect already; four years ago, Romney was defending himself against charges he was “too conservative”; today, it’s the opposite. This is a good thing. You – we – have moved the needle in the GOP. ”But it hasn’t moved far enough and fast enough!”, you say? Suck it up, little camper, and put down the TV remote; political parties don’t change like one of those jump cuts in an NFL game of the week. It takes time, patience and effort. Hell, it took Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater close to 20 years to change the GOP, and even that didn’t stick.
    Be Honest: Campaign rhetoric is one thing – real records, and their context, are much more useful. Romney needs to be kept honest – i.e, conservative – and we have the power to do that (see, again, below), but it’s not like we’re trying to reform Che Guevara, here.
    Numbers Count: Remember Buckley’s Commandment from earlier in the post? ”Elect the most conservative candidate who can win?” Newt’s negatives shouldn’t be the dispositive factor in this nomination, but you might wanna be mindful of the fact that 60% of the American people would rather have Slobodan Milosevic for President. And Ron Paul is a shoe-in in the general – so say his supporters. Who are, so far, 1/6-1/10 of the GOP. If he can’t win the GOP, I’m at a loss for how he has even a faint shot at the general. I’d love to hear a Ronulan spell out a case that leads Paul to the White House that doesn’t include the phrase “and then Ron Paul convinces everyone that he’s ideal”. Honestly – I’d love to hear it. Rand Paul might be another story, and there, I’m all ears – but that’s the future. As far as I”m concerned, for right now the electoral world ends in November. Focus.
    Checks, Balances. So what if the GOP had no candidate at all, and we were looking at a victory for Obama by default today? What would you be doing now, all you good conservatives? Working to make sure the conservatives hold the House and take the Senate? OK – so let’s say Romney really is as bad as you all want us to believe he is. And let’s say he’s inevitable. Your choices then are “stay home” or “do what you’d do if Obama was going to win – try to negate his power and influence by taking control of Congress”. Why, precisely, should you not then be working to flip the Senate and extend our lead in the House/ Because the opportunity is there, folks, to not just flip Congress completely against either Obama or a hypothetical “moderate” Romney, but flip it to a version of the GOP that, so far, has been pretty Beltway-proof, and fairly dedicated to the mission for which they were sent to GOP by the Tea Party and a newly-resurgent conservative movement in the first place; to govern like conservatives. Keeping them that way is our job. Provided we don’t “stay home” and “teach everyone a lesson”. Because the only “lesson” you “teach” by staying home is that you’re unreliable and marginal. Don’t be that.

    Or you can stay home. Your call.
    h/t HOT Air

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    While I wont go so far as to stay home, I will not be voting for Obama lite. My vote is about ME. It is mine and mine alone. I get to chose the team I play for and I get to chose how long I will play. And if that is construed by anyone as being selfish, then I think they miss the concept of the individual vote from the beginning. If my vote isn’t about me, why don’t I just allow my Congressional and Senate representative to cast a vote for me?

    I refuse to be herded. I refuse to accept “this is the way its always been done” mentality. And I refuse to accept the premise that no others could do better. I’m not interested in sending the GOP any “message.” Nor am I interested in completely compromising my beliefs for a “win” which will provide no real difference, and perpetuates the problems that exist in our current “system.” I refuse to willing take a bite of ANY shit sandwich no matter who is delivering the meal. I will not be a collaborator to this absolute nonsense.

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    LC Patton growls and barks:

    let’s turn to other “moderate” GOP presidential candidates and ask them how that worked out for them in the general election:

    Presidents Dewey, Ford, Dole and McCain, please stand up.

    Actually, being moderate works just fine in the general election. Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, George H.W. Bush and George Bush could tell you that. Each one was a moderate.

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    KArnold growls and barks:

    I have a problem, and I’m willing to be persuaded by my many worthy fellows here. This here comment is a plea for a Rottie Intervention.

    Whoever the next President is will have three major issues in my mind:

    - appointing, probably, three Supreme Court Justices;
    - orchestrating the repeal of Obamalamacare;
    - freeing the machines of the American economy to right themselves.

    We know, of course, what Barry Soetero will do with those three in a second term. It cannot happen.

    Romney, the architect of Massholecare, is NOT going to take a chainsaw to Obamacare, and his history appointing judges isn’t much better than Kagan and Sotomayor. While he’s not the only governor that had a hand in taking a wrecking ball to what we all now lovingly call Taxatwoshitts, well, the history is there. Where Soetero drives America off the cliff at two hundred miles an hour, Romney does so at a polite seventy, fiddling with the cupholders all the while, and telling us what great mileage we’ll be getting while in freefall. I do not like Romney, and his only redeeming feature is that he’s not Obama.

    Gingrich? He has, at the high points of his career, been a champion for conservative causes (and I am grateful for the Contract With America). I also have a really hard time getting past The Couch, Dede Scozzafava, the individual mandate, and a fistful of other issues. My sense is that he’s a technocrat with some big conservative aspects; I think he’s the most likely to to back most of the conservative wing’s stances, but I also think the conservative wing is going to have to hold his feet to the fire to keep him faithful if he gets the job. Right now, I’m leaning toward him as my default position, but only because candidates better than him are no longer in the hunt.

    I like Rick Santorum. Of the four remaining candidates, he’s the one I’d be most likely to invite over to the house for dinner with the family. It’s a damned shame I’m not voting for a Dinner-Guest-In-Chief; I’m voting for a President. He’s socially conservative, and he’s also a big-government spender. For me to jump to him, I’d seriously need him to say “I was wrong with all the spending a voted for, and you know what? We seriously need to spend less, tax less, regulate less, borrow less, drill more, and prune the daylights out of the bureaucracy.” I wish him well in Missouri and states like that, and I could be wooed.

    Ron Paul? Don’t go there. He’s got some dandy economic ideas I like, but too many parts of that man are just weapons-grade crazy.

    As for third parties, a big piece of me thinks that if the Republican Party can’t serve up a massive drubbing to someone as destructive and as vulnerable as Barry Soetero, we don’t DESERVE to be in the game, and it’s time for the GOP to die off in favor of a genuine Conservative Party. But there’s a segment of the party – the leadership and the Rockefeller country-club wing that has a death wish, and is Hell-bent on snatching defeat from the very jaws of victory.

    Of the four candidates left standing, I find myself rooting for a brokered convention, secession, armed resistance, the Second Coming of Christ, or a planet-killing meteor. If Texas were to secede, I’d seriously consider volunteering for the Texian National Guard. Costa Rica is looking really promising right now.

    I miss Rick Perry. Hell, I miss Fred Thompson, who I supported last go-round. Help me, fellow Rotties; I’m in a dark place sometimes. Regarding Romney and the overall strategy: what Gladiator said. Settle for whoever wins the primary, and get control of both houses of Congress to exert some guiding control over him.

    Regarding Kate Beckinsale: what angrywebmaster said.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I won’t stay home but I won’t vote for Mittens if he’s the nominee. I’ll write someone in. I suspect Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal and Allen West are going to get a number of votes for president they aren’t expecting. :em03:

    It would be interesting if the write ins top 7 figures for each of them. :em01:

    It would show the establishment RINO’s that a lot of people have no respect for them :em07:
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    And please, people, do NOT be disheartened by Mittens bringing home a pathetic win in Florida after he paid, what, $15 million for it and, on top of it, managed to alienate everybody who might vote for him in the future.

    Since it’s been announced that he’ll be receiving protection of the Secret Service, the GOP has already concluded that he’s the one. imho.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    :em02:

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    Somebody please map out a path to victory for us based on that, because we don’t see one.

    I do…brokered convention. Mittfucker isn’t going to get 1144 delegates needed to sew up the nomination. The base is just too fired up (fed up, pissed off, seething, whatever) to give up so easily and Southern/Midwestern states despise a Northern liberal (south of Fredricksburg they still fly the Stars and Bars). That’s why the Limp Dick Media, the NSDWP and Obongo the Kenyon Klingon Fucker are screeching like baboons on Meth that Mittfucker is the annotated one. A brokered convention is a RINO/NSDWP nightmare and Newtron is enough of petulant, spoiled mommas boy to drag it out. If there is not a majority on the first ballot (or third, gotta look that up) then anybody can be nominated. Hence my prayers that the ‘Cuda has already mapped this out plus she’s sitting on a lot of money that’s been donated to her PAC. In addition they’ll only be two months between the convention and election day so she can pile on Obongo and he’ll have to scramble to counter. As for the “Independents” given a choice of four more years of poverty and Palin they’ll look at their wallets/401k/mortgage and pull the lever (then again the fiddytwo’ers fell for a Pied Piper).

    Remember the paradigms of old WILL NOT hold this cycle because America knows that the fate of this country is at stake not seen since 1860.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    What happened to the EDIT button, Deej??

    Let’s try this again.

    Sigh :em02:

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    Bones growls and barks:

    I have never “sat at home” for any election for over 30 years. I only missed voting once because my ballot had to chase me all over Europe/Middle east and I finally got it in late january! My concious will not allow me to ever vote the “lessor of two evils” again, so mittens is out if he gets the nod. I will vote for whomever is actually on the ballot that is closest to my desires of governance, whether it be Bill Still, some contitutionalist, other libertairian, etc. I feel that no matter who wins, htere will be uprisings and much bloodshed. I will fight for my country and defend her ’till the end, but I will go to my grave with a clear concience. As for you, make your own beds because you will have to live with yourself. As for me and mine, we will serve and fear the Lord, and no others!

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I would like to see UplA Orn win one or two primaries just to have some heads explode in RNC HQ.
    :em05:
    It would also help push us to a brokered convention which would be the cause of more cranial detonations
    :em07:
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    The Watcher growls and barks:

    I was having a major ‘awwwwwwwwwshit’ moment after I read Willard Obamney won Florida. Then I started reading just HOW he did it, and just what he DIDN’T get out of it.

    Then (thank the Lord) I came here and heard some sense.

    I, too, won’t sit out the election, even if Mitt is the Anointed – but since I’m from Wisconsin, and (according to our GAB), ‘Mickey Mouse’ is a viable recall signature name, I may just write that guy in.

    JOKING, joking!!! (Or not).

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    There seems to be more than one elephant in the room, maybe even a couple of 800 pound gorillas too. The most obvious one is that there doesn’t seem to be ANY current Republican candidate that people can wrap their minds around. Everyone seems to be settling for a pig in a poke.

    What you have is a roster of place holders. The real kingmakers have written this election off already, and for good reason. The next four years are going to be dismal regardless of who is in office. There is probably going to be another set of bank failures on the horizon and no serious candidate is going to want to be in the middle of that. Better the patsy that is there already than create a new one. If nothing happens, that’s fine too — by 2016 the economy will have probably come back and someone could step into a stable situation.

    Either way, 2016 is what the Big Money interests of the Republican Party are looking at, not this election. After all, we ALL know that there are far superior Conservative potential candidates to choose from, and all of them are grooming themselves for a future run. Even Rick Perry will be back in 2016. Historically, most Republicans presidents have run for the job more than once.

    I see the RNC pouring more of their efforts into the Congressional races and writing off the White House.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Oh, and this is a money game. Mittens will be the nominee because he has the money to make it. Regardless of what Gingrich boasts, he will be out of steam by the end of March. The man with the most money will win.

    Brokered convention? Again, the BIG money, the ones who really decide who is going to win the White House have already written this one off. Mittens will be the placeholder candidate. The Patsy will be re-elected.
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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    The Patsy will be re-elected.

    Then say goodbye to America as we know her.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    KArnold says:

    If Texas were to secede, I’d seriously consider volunteering for the Texian National Guard. Costa Rica is looking really promising right now.

    IS there a credible secession movement (however small) in ANY state??

    Ive heard Alaska, and for Libertarians peaceibly taking over NEW Hampshire.

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    KArnold growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator says:

    IS there a credible secession movement (however small) in ANY state??

    I can’t say from personal knowledge on that subject… but I’m told that as regards my adjacent references to other options, Intrade has “secession” polling four points ahead of “brokered convention,” and two points ahead of “planet-killing meteor.”

    Okay, I made up the part about Intrade… think of it a a preference cascade…

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    I think we’re a LONG way from a state leaving the Union. There are a number of steps they would want to try first.

    Say Obama sleazes his way into a second term. :em08:

    He proceeds to continue destroying the country through the regulatory agencies. If a few of the states start refusing the mandates, (Governors with the backing of the legislatures), things could come to a head quickly.

    First, Obama might try withholding funds, The states might retaliate by telling the people and companies not to file income taxes at the federal level and telling them they will send state police to protect them if required.

    Obama might then tell Holder to send in Federal Agents to arrest the governors, business owners etc. Tee governors might then inform the FLEA’s that if they try, they will be arrested. If they resist arrest, they will be forcibly taken into custody. I would expect a number of federal agents refusing to try to make any arrests.

    Obama might try martial law and sending in the military. If that order were given, I think the odds are they would make a right turn and do their version of “Occupy White House” and remove Obama.

    Then there’s also the possibility of Constitutional Convention that reinforces the 10th amendment and strips Washington of some of the powers they have usurped.

    Frankly, if we reach the point where a number of states start refusing the mandates and backing it up, then I think Obama and Biden would be removed from office via Impeachment.

    IMHO succession is a very long way off.
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    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Secession as we saw it in 1860-1861 will not happen again. Back in those days there was a huge political divide between North and South (with a few ‘border’ states somewhere in between). Today even the most Red of Red states is still 40+% Leftist. You won’t see a Governor or state government challenging the Federal government on anything but the most ephemeral, minor levels. Oh sure, some Governors will be particularly stubborn and troublesome, but no where near secession levels.

    What we are more likely to see is a subdued version of the Balkan conflicts here. Where ethnic, political and religious divisions eventually fracture enough for open conflict, across the country. You are much more likely to see Rural against Inner City than State vs State. And don’t mistake me, I think this is a LOT closer than people think. All you need is a substantial economic collapse, and our economy has been teetering on the edge of that for some time now. It won’t be a Civil War in the way people are accustomed to reading about in history, but more like something akin to the LA Riots.. except on a national scale. Imagine the Inner City thug population taking a little stroll into Suburbia as a mob, or maybe turning on the downtown Hipsters.

    That, I feel, is pretty damned likely in the near future if Obama is reelected. Not guaranteed, mind you… I’d give it 2 to 1 odds in favor, if I were a betting man.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    If the shooting starts, I can almost guarantee that the cause will be something no one saw coming.
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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    KArnold says:

    Intrade has “secession” polling four points ahead of “brokered convention,” and two points ahead of “planet-killing meteor.”

    :em05: Thanks for the laugh!

    LC Xealot says:

    You are much more likely to see Rural against Inner City than State vs State. And don’t mistake me, I think this is a LOT closer than people think.

    Been considering this theory for awhile myself. Where are the majority of the power producing stations? Where are the trucking terminals for food distribution? How easy it it really to close a road?

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    rickl growls and barks:

    LC Xealot:
    I agree, and your scenario describes most civil wars throughout history.

    Civil wars usually feature different factions trying to take control of the government. In that sense, the American Civil War wasn’t really a civil war since the Confederacy had no desire to take over the government in Washington. Terms like The War Between The States or The Second American Revolution are probably more accurate.

    The civil war that is coming could potentially be a lot nastier than the war in the 19th Century, because a lot of people are going to find themselves on the front lines without ever joining an army.

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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy @ #24:

    How easy it it really to close a road?

    Ummm, won’t go into some detail, but bridges are a VERY soft target.

    Does everybody have their 1-year food supply? How about fuel? How about precious metals such as brass and lead? :em03:

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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    Then say goodbye to America as we know her.

    Oh stop it. I mean, just cut out the drama queen routine.

    While Obama is no Mount Rushmore figure, he isn’t the mythical font of evil that the Right has built him up to be. Passable, in most cases, mediocre in other areas. He is no worse or better than Bush before him. I just find it hilarious that people like you think the friggin’ world is going to come apart at the seams if Obama is left where he is.

    Honestly? If they stuck a Luscious Linda or Ludicrous Larry blowup doll behind the desk in the Oval Office it wouldn’t make any difference. Obama is a weak president, and a second term for him wouldn’t do any damage at all. Sometimes all that is needed is a president running on cruise control.

    LC Xealot says:

    And don’t mistake me, I think this is a LOT closer than people think.

    Really? I think that most people are too lazy — and complacent.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    How easy it it really to close a road?

    Very.

    If you know what you’re doing. And the ones who do don’t tend to be among the TWANLOCs, if you get my drift.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    rickl says:

    In that sense, the American Civil War wasn’t really a civil war since the Confederacy had no desire to take over the government in Washington. Terms like The War Between The States or The Second American Revolution are probably more accurate.

    Correct. Although “War Between the States” is inaccurate as well since it wasn’t really between the states as such, it was between one group of them and another.

    Y’all already know the term I use for it, but there is another one that is less “inflammatory” and just as accurate, which is “the War for Southern Independence.”
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    While Obama is no Mount Rushmore figure, he isn’t the mythical font of evil that the Right has built him up to be. Passable, in most cases, mediocre in other areas. He is no worse or better than Bush before him. I just find it hilarious that people like you think the friggin’ world is going to come apart at the seams if Obama is left where he is.

    Well, you don’t have the “advantage” of knowing exactly where the course he’s set is going to end. I do. Please do remember that I know how that particular movie ends, having been there not only at the premiere, but also during the shooting of it.

    End of the world? No.

    End of America as we’ve known it. Most definitely yes.
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    LC Patton growls and barks:

    A brokered convention is highly unlikely. Such things haven’t happened for decades, and most people would be furious if a candidate no one voted for in the primary was nominated.
    Really, I expect Romney to win the nomination and defeat Obama, unless there is an unexpected recovery in the economy before november. Presidents do not get re-elected when the economy is this bad.

    Y’all already know the term I use for it, but there is another one that is less “inflammatory” and just as accurate, which is “the War for Southern Independence.”

    Well, Second American Revolution is inaccurate because the rebels did not seek a new form of government, the CSA’s constitution being more or less a copy of the North’s, and the revolt was southern rather than all across America. War for Southern Independence is accurate but confusing, as it implies that the South succeeded in achieving independence.

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    KArnold growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Y’all already know the term I use for it, but there is another one that is less “inflammatory” and just as accurate, which is “the War for Southern Independence.”

    That’s one of my favorite choices – but when I really am of a mind to tick people off, it’s always a hoot to go straight to “the War of Northern Aggression.”

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Patton says:

    War for Southern Independence is accurate but confusing, as it implies that the South succeeded in achieving independence.

    I see your point, but that’s mainly because nomenclature is usually dictated by the side who won.

    KArnold says:

    That’s one of my favorite choices – but when I really am of a mind to tick people off, it’s always a hoot to go straight to “the War of Northern Aggression.”

    Mine too, *evil grin*, and besides it is, to me, more accurate than any of the alternatives.

    The downside (and upside, if you’re looking for a fight which can be fun and educational) is that it makes the discussion devolve into “but the South started it by firing on Ft Sumter!”

    Which then raises the question of which is the more clear Act of Aggression: 1) Opening fire on an enemy military installation in your own territory when they refuse to evacuate peacefully and furthermore attempt to resupply or 2) calling up 70,000 volunteers to go to war against states who have peacefully seceded. Unless, of course, in the latter case, you want to make the argument that it was only done to help combat a sudden infestation of feral elks.

    You know where I come down on that question already.
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    Florida never fell. Disease, Indigenous Folks, blockade runners, gators n’ snakes managed to kill more Yanks than the Home Team.
    M-heh. :em07:

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    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen says:

    Oh stop it. I mean, just cut out the drama queen routine.

    Drama queen? Hardly. If you want drama, I COULD deliver: OMFG…if Obama gets reelected, we’re all gonna die! I mean, people will riot and break into houses and kill and steal! Cars will pile up on the freeways! Glenn Reynolds will dognap puppies from all across America!

    That’s drama. You see, my grandparents saw communism, having lived in Lithuania; their son, my dad, went to war to prevent its spread. He knows what he is seeing now, in this country..while not communism, something just as insidious. I know what I am seeing. When I was younger, I NEVER thought that we would go socialist in my lifetime.

    Misha and Nat and Nicki have seen it, lived it, breathed it. I respect their pov. Why should I believe YOU over them?
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    LC Patton growls and barks:

    The downside (and upside, if you’re looking for a fight which can be fun and educational) is that it makes the discussion devolve into “but the South started it by firing on Ft Sumter!”

    Oh, we’ve had that debate. Good times.

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    KArnold growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    The downside (and upside, if you’re looking for a fight which can be fun and educational) is that it makes the discussion devolve into “but the South started it by firing on Ft Sumter!”

    Note to various mayors throughout America: THAT’S how you deal with Occupiers.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen @ #:

    With all due respect, saying that “Obama is no better or worse than Bush before him” leads me to believe you’re as full of shit as a christmas goose. Ignoring the war powers act, ignoring the congress, appointing czars, fast and furious, creating more debt than the 43 presidents before him, and whining that the only reason people don’t like him is because he’s black puts him alone in his own category.

    I figure that whoever gets elected, there’s violence. Obama gets tossed, the OWS crowd will take to the streets. Obama comes back, and those of us who have to pay the bills for all his largesse will simply say fuck it and go galt on him. I remember, during the sixties, when Ogabe’s spiritual antecedents spoke calmly about needing to kill 25-30 million Americans to bring in their new, enlightened era. Their principal concern was how to dispose of that many bodies.

    This country’s been on a collision course with trouble for over a century. I’m thinking it’s time for a little “fundamental change” of our own.

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    LC Proud Infidel growls and barks:

    IMHO, precious ‘lil Prince Miittens hasn’t won much of jack shit yet. He won NH, that’s no surprise, his win in Iowa was fictitious, and in FL, he LOST in the Panhandle, the solidly Conservative part of the State. If it weren’t for his big money dirty machine, he would be irrelevant. People are waking up, and I’m praying that Romney will tank sometime soon.

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    I’m SOOOO tired of the “electable” mantra! Holy fuck! I’m having similar issues on my blog with my endorsement of a friend of mine for Senate. Ken is a very fiscally conservative candidate – much more so than his opponent, who is a pretty cool guy and a retired Army Colonel, but far from genuinely conservative. He’s “reasonable,” according to the slew of supporters who showed up en masse to defend him. He’s also “electable” in a blue northern Virginia district.

    They prefer death by a thousand small cuts, I guess.
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    DJ Allyn, Private Citizen growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Well, you don’t have the “advantage” of knowing exactly where the course he’s set is going to end. I do. Please do remember that I know how that particular movie ends, having been there not only at the premiere, but also during the shooting of it.

    Oh horse pussy. (haven’t used that one lately.) Not only are you trying to compare apples and oranges, you are doing so in two completely different orchards.

    Misha, we’ve always had a bit of a “socialist” streak in us, just as we’ve had a capitalist streak. Pendulums and balances. Ying and yang. Push and pull. It is probably THE one thing that has kept us going for as long as we have.

    If you think for a nanosecond that we are going to fly off that cliff in one direction or another following some magical fairy farting pixie dust, you are worrying about nothing. People like you will be there to yank, pull and drag things back. The same is true in the other direction. We are playing out one perpetual game of tug-o-war, except that things are fairly evenly matched. You give a little ground, you take it back.

    Once in a while technology raises its nifty head and we get pulled in another direction while we try to fit it into our game here.

    Obama is NOT the Socialist/Marxist/Stalinist/Communist the Right has him dressed up as any more than Bush was the Nazi/bungler/”Bunnypants” that we used to describe him as. (Yes, I had to include “bunnypants” just to save DV the hassle of having to point that out) They are just partisan labels, they don’t have to come anywhere close to reality.

    Going back into history, we’ve had some real duds when it comes to presidents. There were people at that time who thought the “end of the Republic” was nigh. Nothing has changed. We are still here, and we will survive this too. I have faith.

    I am getting ready to head off to Israel for a week. I was going to spell out MY idea of a remedy for what ails us today, but I have been busy packing. I will try spend some time when I am gone putting my thoughts down in a way that you might actually like some of what I say. (NObody is ever going to agree 100 percent on anything, and I think that at our best times in life we are lucky to meet even half way)

    Perhaps when I get back, I will have something I can give you to post here. I promise that it won’t be a “Leftist” recipe for what ails us. In fact, you might even be surprised at what I will say.

    I will try to update my trip through FB, in case anyone wants to follow along…

    Shalom.
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    Travel safe, have a great trip Deej.
    In the mean time,, we’ll enjoy a bit of painfully relevant, nostalgic drama.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Right now there are some “bright spots” in the economy, and you are bound to run into family and friends that will repeat to you the nonsense that they are hearing on the television about how the economy is recovering.

    When they try to convince you that the economy is getting better, ask them these questions….

    If the economy is getting better, then why did new home sales in the United States hit a brand new all-time record low during 2011?

    If the economy is getting better, then why are there 6 million less jobs in America today than there were before the recession started?

    If the economy is getting better, then why is the average duration of unemployment in this country close to an all-time record high?

    If the economy is getting better, then why has the number of homeless female veterans more than doubled?

    If the economy is getting better, then why has the number of Americans on food stamps increased by 3 million since this time last year and by more than 14 million since Barack Obama entered the White House?

    If the economy is getting better, then why has the number of children living in poverty in America risen for four years in a row?

    If the economy is getting better, then why is the percentage of Americans living in “extreme poverty” at an all-time high?

    If the economy is getting better, then why is the Federal Housing Administration on the verge of a financial collapse?

    If the economy is getting better, then why do only 23 percent of American companies plan to hire more employees in 2012?

    If the economy is getting better, then why has the number of self-employed Americans fallen by more than 2 million since 2006?

    If the economy is getting better, then why did an all-time record low percentage of U.S. teens have a job last summer?

    If the economy is getting better, then why does median household income keep declining? Overall, median household income in the United States has declined by a total of 6.8% since December 2007 once you account for inflation.

    If the economy is getting better, then why has the number of Americans living below the poverty line increased by 10 million since 2006?

    If the economy is getting better, then why is the average age of a vehicle in America now sitting at an all-time high?

    If the economy is getting better, then why are 18 percent of all homes in the state of Florida currently sitting vacant?

    If the economy is getting better, then why are 19 percent of all American men between the ages of 25 and 34 living with their parents?

    If the economy is getting better, then why does the number of “long-term unemployed workers” stay so high? When Barack Obama first took office, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at 5.6 million.

    But there is some good news.

    When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today, the price of an ounce of gold is over $1700.

    The era of great prosperity that America has enjoyed for so long is coming to an end.

    In fact, our long-term economic decline is about to accelerate.

    So enjoy this “bubble of hope” while you can, because it won’t last long.

    Many are warning that Europe is on the verge of a nightmarish financial crisis that could potentially plunge us into a global recession even worse than 2008.

    So let us hope for the best, but let us also prepare for the worst.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Regarding what to call our Civil War Between the States of Northern Aggression, I’ve settled on the Four Years’ War myself.

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    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #: 43
    And when they trot out the “unemployment rate is down to 8.3%, so the economy must be getting better”, let them know that between December 2011 and January 2012, there are over 2 million fewer people working. So, how then did the unemployment rate go down? Because discouraged workers, those who have given up looking for jobs that aren’t there, are not counted as unemployed. Because after seasonally adjusting for those who had temporary jobs, especially in retail, during the Christmas season, BLS decided that there were 200,000 more jobs in January. So, which do you want to believe: raw numbers showing 2.5 million fewer jobs, or seasonally adjusted which shows 200K more jobs? Another way we ended up with 200K more jobs is that the government estimated the number of jobs that would be lost. The actual losses weren’t as bad as they first estimated by 200K. So, they look as the 200K not as jobs not lost, but as jobs created, never mind that there were 2.5M fewer jobs total.


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