Golden Shower Boarding

But as the pig-bothering pisslamic shit sacks were already deceased, no useful intel was obtained:

Maybe it’s just us, but we’re pretty sure we can hear one of the dead Talibanimals humming “Singing in the Rain.”

What we’re seeing is, of course, not what it seems. The Marines had observed that the Hirabis were on fire and were trying their best to, helpfully, put the fires out with whatever they had at hand. Improvise and adapt. Well done!

Needless to say, the outrage, OUTRAGE is deafening across the blogosphere. How could they so disrespectfully treat the noble bodies of our valiant enemies??? It’s not like any one of the cadavers, prior to their overdue assumption of room temperature, might have been strapping bombs to little girls, beheading captive infidels with rusty scimitars or blowing up nuns. Oh, wait…

Of course CAIR, the unindicted front organization for pisslamic terrorism, is howling like stuck pigs which, needless to say, is music to our ears. Nothing that makes them scream like little bitches can possibly be a Bad Thing™. If you haven’t yet pissed off those fifth columnist swine, you’re not doing it right, so get your shit together already!

Not to mention “a couple of dead swine being pissed upon” ranks extremely low on His Imperial Majesty’s scale of Outrage™. We’re slightly disappointed, though, that they didn’t do a number two on them as well. If they had, Time would have made them Persons of the Year, just as they did for the Occutard shitting on a police cruiser. Oh, but that’s DIFF’RUNT!

Of course, now that the video has been leaked, the Corps pretty much has to pretend to give a shit. Our only hope is that they follow the mold of the Royal Danish Army and announce, five minutes after having promised a full investigation, that they have found, after a thorough review and interview with all parties involved, that the video doesn’t prove anything conclusively so, move along. Nothing to see here. Yes, that is the way it’s done over there. And once Army High Command states that there’s nothing to see, there is. nothing. to. see.

It’s our way over there of saying: “Dear hyperventilating civilians who sent us over here to get shot at, blown to shreds and otherwise inconvenienced in utterly brutal ways so that you could stay safe and snug in bed at home: War is nasty, brutal and ugly. That is why you send us to do it so you won’t get your hands dirty. If you don’t like how we perform your bidding, you are welcome to come take over. We wouldn’t dream of standing in your way. So put up or shut up, please. Warm regards from the ones whom you sent, because we sure as fuck didn’t write our own marching orders. Have a nice day and, by the way, YOU’RE WELCOME!”

Funny thing is: In all of my years, I never saw the tender-hearted, twinkletoed Hinterland Hypocrites take the Armed Forces up on their generous offer to come demonstrate their “kinder, gentler way” of warfare. We’ve often wondered why that is. Yes, that was sarcasm.

The thing is, the very bottom line: The Armed Forces don’t ask to be sent, they’re sent by the very same hypocrites who, when confronted with the harsh realities of a situation that they didn’t have the guts to deal with themselves, get the vapors and call for the persecution of those whom they sent. I spit on them. If they don’t like what they demand done in their names by better men than they can ever hope to be, they can just not issue the order to go.

War ain’t bean bag, and those on the sharp, brutal, life-threatening end of the spear can’t be expected to behave like good Catholic Choir Boys in the midst of death, danger and mayhem. You drop somebody in a toxic environment, toxic behavior is going to ensue and, as long as that behavior doesn’t include brutal treatment of innocents I couldn’t care less if I studied Advanced Indifference at Don’t Give a Shit University for two decades.

To those who still don’t get it, I repeat the offer: Suit up and go show the rest of us brutes how it’s done. Go teach the world to sing in perfect harmony while your buddies, your brothers whom you know better than anybody in the world and with whom you’ve gone through hell on earth, are getting shot, blown up, mutilated and brutalized all around you. You go do that and show us backwards Neanderthals how to maintain your cheery disposition and fair and open-minded behavior towards those who murdered the guy you went through The Suck™ with, his brains getting splattered all over your face. Please. DO IT!

Or shut the fuck up.

As to you Marines who needed to let off some steam in the middle of the shit: Carry on. Just make sure that nobody leaks the video the next time.

Thatisall.

P.S.: And please, for the love of G-d, don’t anybody give us the old tired “this is only going to inflame the Hajjis further and help their cause” line, will you? Because we were getting along just dandy up until now, weren’t we? We’re not in this war, or at least we shouldn’t be, to get the animals to love us. We’re in it to get them to fear us worse than hell itself. At least if we even want to dream about winning it. And if we’re not in it to win, then why the fuck bother?

55 comments

  1. 1
    JakeTheSnake growls and barks:

    We’re number one!!!!!!!! (ahem)

  2. 2
    LC BOATS growls and barks:

    And if we’re not in it to win, then why the fuck bother? That is the problem because the politicians just put us there to ( make a statement) not to win otherwise why in the hell would they put our troops in harms way and then tie their hands behind there backs by ROE. The rules of engagement should be kept real simple like –go blow everything up and kill as many of the bastards as you can until they see it our way. If they feel like blowing off a little steam by taking a leak –SO WHAT. At least we haven’t got to the point of sawing off their heads or hanging what is left of their burnt bodies from a bridge.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    My Liege
    These Leathernecks should be decorated for instructing the locals in improvisational hygiene. Pee is sterile. Considering the usual state of uncleanliness in Asia, a golden shower is a marked improvement in a land where there are none of the municipal indoor variety to which we are so accustomed.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts says:

    a golden shower is a marked improvement in a land where there are none of the municipal indoor variety to which we are so accustomed.

    :em05:

    Very true!

    At least they got to go meet their Shaitan clean, which is a state that was utterly unknown to the medieval savages throughout their useless lives!

    (And yes, we do realize that “medieval” is an unearned compliment to them. After all, the Middle Ages didn’t start until centuries after the paleolithic primitivity in which they’re STILL stuck).
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    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    I had FB post from an old High School acquaintance (58 years old, Buddhist, gay(NTTM)) and still going to school …her post:

    What if we were evolved to the point where we could have a President say (and be taken seriously): “Okay, everyone. On Thursday, I’d like to ask all 300 million of us to spend at least 20 minutes during the day with your eyes closed sending love to the people of Iran.”

    My response:

    We die with our eyes closed.

    I was talking to my DIL today and she is upset because my son desperately wants to be deployed to a combat zone. I back him, and I back her. She is Army also, so she understands, but there is their son, my grandson, so I waffle also. My son is frustrated because he feels they are wasting him right now. He spent 3 years doing a job he wasn’t trained for in Korea, receiving commendations, but now they won’t let him continue to do the same job because of color blindness. In order for him to stay in, he has to retrain for Human Resources and it is really rubbing his rhubarb.

    The point of this…I guess it’s just that my son, faced with options that I never had to face has chosen the side of honor. As to how it relates to this post, I would hope my son was pissing on that jihadi. How long had those Marines (?) been trying to get those MFer’s who had been killing soldiers and civilians? God knows it’s nothing like dragging the bodies through the streets, hanging them from a bridge and setting them on fire.

    After 10 years there is no love or compassion in me left for islam. Their only “compassion” is to support weapons to kill Christians in Africa and the ME quickly.

    P.S.: And please, for the love of G-d, don’t anybody give us the old tired “this is only going to inflame the Hajjis further and help their cause” line, will you?

    Inflame them, get them riled and scurrying so they burst out of their nests so that the targets are many. Let’s get this over.
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    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    (NWWT) was suppose to be (NTTM). I can’t even blame that one on fat fingers.
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    Erbo growls and barks:

    You know, Colonel Nathan Jessep was a raging asshole, and what he did in the movie was unquestionably wrong, but most of the speech he gives is dead-bang, 100% correct:

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

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    simonwise growls and barks:

    If my grunts want to empty their bladders on dead pieces of sheep banging turds, then I’m buying the beer.

    And it won’t be that 3.2 shit they served in every slopchute I’ve spent time in .

    It’s gonna be good :em05: quality American beer like Samuel Adams.

    OOH RAH and Semper Fi

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    LC Darth Scoundrel growls and barks:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.

    Otherwise…carry on.
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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    LC Darth Scoundrel says:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.

    Otherwise…carry on.
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    Exactly! :em01:

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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    Sorry, Your Majesty. I disagree.

    Short of someone who actually has had family members directly involved in a terrorist attack, no one despises these people more than me. While serving in Iraq, a group of these folks kidnapped, raped, and slaughtered a group of little school girls. Then they laid out their bodies next to the school with a sign that warned the public this would happen to anyone that worked with us. Gee…I wonder why that story never made the news…

    But pissing on a dead body is beneath our Marines and should be both roundly condemned and punished.

    Yes, our enemy is despicable. That’s no excuse for us to stoop to their level and behave like this.

    Is this the biggest issue on the Pentagon’s plate? No. Hell, no. But the Marines – and especially their NCO’s – deserve non-UCMJ punishment.

    My job as a chaplain is to be the conscience of my beloved Soldiers and stand up when behavior violates our values. If I didn’t speak now, I could not live with myself…even on this forum.

    We can do better. We should do better. We MUST do better.

    -Jim+

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    Hvy Gunner 0331 growls and barks:

    Hate to say it, because I completely understand the motivation of the Marines in the video, and I can’t I wouldn’t have done the same, but the good Padre is right…

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    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    LC Darth Scoundrel says:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.
    Otherwise…carry on.
    LC Darth Scoundrel recently posted..The Firefly Has Landed

    +1. NCO’s need to learn how to manage the fucktard YouTube generation. It’s not the 18 year old PFC’s fault he’s been filming his entire life for public consumption since he was 4 years old, but like so many nasty civilian habits it needs to stop once he puts on that EGA.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    I read “God Is My Copilot” years ago about the Flying Tigers, and one of the scenes in the book was one of the pilots kicking the burned upper torso of a Japanese pilot back into the flames of his buring plane (sorry, but the entire passage has slipped my memory…). The crux of it was that he said, “you’ve got to learn to hate.” When you go to war, you put on that mantle of emotional isolation tempered with hate at what the enemy is and what he has done. It’s not raging, uncontrolled hate; it’s just enough to get you through the insanity of combat. Pissing on these assholes was not the ultimate degradation…anecdotally, Black Jack Pershing is said to have buried executed Moro tribesmen with pig offal, and let them know about it.

    Which may be the whole point…wars are fought and won in the will. Does this post mortem defilement make them more, or less, anxious to seek martyrdom? If we were to defile bodies in such a way as to cast doubt on their arrival in their muslim paradise, would it help? I know that such a thing is reprehensible in our warrior culture, but is it something we are going to have to face eventually?

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    LC Gunsniper says:

    LC Darth Scoundrel says:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.

    Otherwise…carry on.
    LC Darth Scoundrel recently posted..The Firefly Has Landed

    Exactly!

    Precisely. And, btw, so fucking what? THEY saw the heads off of our people while still alive and film it. Fuck ‘em all. Kill them all and let God sort them out. If there really are “moderates” who don’t approve of the behavior of the “fundamentalists”, or whatever, nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
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    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. says:

    I had FB post from an old High School acquaintance (58 years old, Buddhist, gay(NTTM)) and still going to school …her post:
    What if we were evolved to the point where we could have a President say (and be taken seriously): “Okay, everyone. On Thursday, I’d like to ask all 300 million of us to spend at least 20 minutes during the day with your eyes closed sending love to the people of Iran.”
    My response:
    We die with our eyes closed.
    I was talking to my DIL today and she is upset because my son desperately wants to be deployed to a combat zone. I back him, and I back her. She is Army also, so she understands, but there is their son, my grandson, so I waffle also. My son is frustrated because he feels they are wasting him right now. He spent 3 years doing a job he wasn’t trained for in Korea, receiving commendations, but now they won’t let him continue to do the same job because of color blindness. In order for him to stay in, he has to retrain for Human Resources and it is really rubbing his rhubarb.
    The point of this…I guess it’s just that my son, faced with options that I never had to face has chosen the side of honor. As to how it relates to this post, I would hope my son was pissing on that jihadi. How long had those Marines (?) been trying to get those MFer’s who had been killing soldiers and civilians? God knows it’s nothing like dragging the bodies through the streets, hanging them from a bridge and setting them on fire.
    After 10 years there is no love or compassion in me left for islam. Their only “compassion” is to support weapons to kill Christians in Africa and the ME quickly.
    P.S.: And please, for the love of G-d, don’t anybody give us the old tired “this is only going to inflame the Hajjis further and help their cause” line, will you?
    Inflame them, get them riled and scurrying so they burst out of their nests so that the targets are many. Let’s get this over.
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    Are you fucking kidding me? Morons such as this that make me want to feed 99 percent of the world’s population into a woodchipper!
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  17. 17

    I understand the good Padre’s point of view and agree completely….

    but I gotta say:

    piss on them all

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    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    Were I back in a PSG slot in this instance, I would start with the Squad Leader. Behind closed doors I would jerk a knot in his ass and inform him that the next idiot who films ANYTHING while on Patrol without specific direction from G-2 (passed through myself or the LT.) is going to wish he had never been born.

    Then send him out the door with a fresh cup of coffee from my “sent from home” stash!
    :em01:
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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    There is a discussion on this on Facebook. Someone who agrees with you, (And me and most of the people here), basically said “What’s the big deal? Look at what the Taliban does to dead bodies of their victims.”

    Of course someone from the “Moral Equivalency” class showed up and said that it makes us look bad doing this. Someone else replied with the following:

    I’m tired of the cry of “We have to be better than they are and not stoop to their level.” nonsense.

    I say we should go Roman on our enemies. In other words, “Make a desert and call it peace.”

    Every time we’ve done that we haven’t had any problems with our enemies, such as the Confederate States, the Indian Nations, Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, etc.

    When was the last time Nazi’s or Imperial Japanese caused us any problems?

    It looks like most of the people agree with the above sentiment rather then with Mr. Moral Equivalency.
    :em01:
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    VAconservative growls and barks:

    It’s gonna be good quality American beer like Samuel Adams.

    Well, some of the 28 different brews I’ve had from that Boston outfit were actually decent. I’d vote for a few ambers, like Fat Tire (Colorado) and Lakefront (Wisconsin). Or if they’re really adventurous, a few IPA’s like Stone (California, actually not too far from the jarhead base out there in sunny SoCal) and Dogfish (Delaware). See, I like beers from all over the country.

    And no matter where, if I run into one of those jarheads that did the deed, I’ll gladly buy him a pint.

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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    LC Darth Scoundrel says:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.

    Otherwise…carry on.
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    EXACTAMUNDO!!!! :em01:
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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Are you fucking kidding me? Morons such as this that make me want to feed 99 percent of the world’s population into a woodchipper!
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    Email if you need assistance with the wood chipper – I have my own candidates to feed it.
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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    VAconservative @ #:
    :em01:
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    SicSemperTyrannus growls and barks:

    I don’t know what I think of this.

    Thank you @11 for being the conscience of our troops. We’re never going to win hearts and minds, but this damages the Corps’ honor.

    Thank you @9 and @13 for stating the tactical mistake of taking video in a combat zone. Posting it on Facebook (or Twitter, or YouTube) was a greivous strategic error.

    And Misha, no one’s going to buy that the Hajis were on fire and the Marines were extinguishing them. Although if you could tell that to your squad leader with a straight face, that’s worth a beer right there.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Padre, I am certainly not going to argue with you about the morality of the actions on that video. Partly because you are a much greater authority on the issue than I and, just as importantly, because I agree with you on that aspect of the situation.

    One must, indeed, be very careful not to become that which one fights or else one risks that, incrementally, the fight becomes meaningless. There must always be limits, and it is a fine and very dangerous line to walk.

    Still, I am also human, and I know that one must learn to hate in order to survive the toxic environment of war, particularly when the war is between all that is right and just and utter, depraved, base barbarism. Because at some point, that hatred will be necessary in order to perform actions that will mean the difference between life and death, victory or defeat (and no, I’m not considering pissing on dead bodies one such act, but I’ll get to that).

    I know because I myself was taught to hate that way. There was no conceivable way that the army I was part of could hope to achieve anything meaningful against the Red Army juggernaut if we were to follow Queensbury rules, and our objective was to bloody Ivan as much as we could, hurt him in every way conceivable so that we might delay him enough to allow the Arsenals of Freedom time to spin up. Which, in turn, was the only way the war could be won ultimately. Our battle was lost before it was begun, we all knew that only too well, but by making it costly we could still help make sure the war itself would be won.

    But, again, there was no way we could get there without learning to hate. So we did. We learned to hate the opposite field post number with a passion. We learned to utterly disregard their humanity, we learned how to think of them as nothing but targets to be destroyed in any way we could think of. We learned to think of them as animals who would rape and murder anything they could get their paws on if they were allowed to live, as nothing but vermin in need of extermination by any means necessary.

    It was necessary, or the war would be lost before it started. I also know that if you haven’t already learned it before battle, you will learn how to hate after you enter battle if you manage to survive long enough.

    You must learn how to hate.

    Now, with all of that out of the way, once you have learned to hate, you must also be aware that it is a dangerous, corrosive force that will grow inside of you and that it might, if unchecked, ultimately take you over completely, which we can all agree is clearly something that you don’t want because then you will indeed become that which you fight.

    And one way of keeping it in check is by venting some of it out, which is what those Marines in the video were doing. They weren’t committing heinous war crimes no matter how “unbecoming” those of us at home might rightfully consider their actions, they were merely letting out a bit of steam or, more accurately, they were letting out a bit of that accumulated hatred that must have surely built up inside of them as they watched the real atrocities committed by the other side.

    They were opening the safety valve, so to speak, and getting rid of some of the pressure. If that helps them maintain a firm grip on the “off” switch for The Machine, then by all means. And as far as letting off steam goes, talking leak on an already dead body ranks pretty far down the list of things they could have done. It’s not like they went berserker on a village full of civilians or dismembered the bodies and decorated their vehicles with the parts.

    The one utterly daft thing they did was to film it. They ought to have known that, in this the Age of YouTube, the footage would find its way to the public who wouldn’t understand. And besides, what possible additional purpose could filming the deed serve?

    I’m not saying that by not filming it, it would be as if it never happened. “No harm, no foul”. No, I know better than that. Even if it had been but one Marine, all by himself in the middle of nowhere, G-d would still know and it is with Him that the score must eventually be settled. As is proper and just.

    Let their CO deal with their stupidity in, as you say, a non-UCMJ fashion, and let G-d take care of the rest if there is something left to be taken care of.

    But I do understand the young men in that video, and I cannot condemn them, nor can I give a good hoot about the “disrespect” shown to the corpses of what is nothing but heretic animal worshipers of false gods and barbarism. It is not the first time that Christian warriors have had to deal with their kind, and it will not be the last.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    SicSemperTyrannus says:

    And Misha, no one’s going to buy that the Hajis were on fire and the Marines were extinguishing them. Although if you could tell that to your squad leader with a straight face, that’s worth a beer right there.

    Mheh. I’ve come up with even more egregious bullshit in the service and have found, more than once, that it is not the likely veracity of your explanation that is the issue, it’s whether you can come up with one, no matter how much of a stretch, on the spot. :em05:
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    Iacobus growls and barks:

    Those Marines…they inspire me. :em01:

    CAIR can go fucking die in a fire, preferably slowly.

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    Secondmouse growls and barks:

    I respect the good Padre’s words on this subject, and I do wonder why it is our boys feel they have to make such a mess by videotaping things they have to know will stir up some shit.

    But I confess that a little voice in my head is telling me to ship these Marines a couple cases of this

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    bruce growls and barks:

    it could have been worse,they could have wacked their heads off with an intrenching tool. :em05:

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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    *snark on* I am perhaps a tad confused. Were they not treating the jihadi’s with the same care and attention that the Institutional Republicans treat the Patriot movement? I mean, I have been pissed on by them many times, and they always tell me it is raining, and that I should be grateful. *snark off*

    As an example, I note this article from PJMedia’s resident Romney-slut.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/12/pick-romneys-vp-now-poll-contest/#comment-262660

    Yes, I did reply.

    On a more serious note, I know a special operator whose team was pursuing a group of jihadi’s who had captured an American soldier alive. And they had found what was left of him after the jihadi‘s had amused themselves. They did catch the jihadi‘s. I take it as a point of personal pride, that in the send off for my friend, I had publicly presented him with an assortment of porcine products for use as he saw fit. The usage was fit.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    I guess I’m, just demented guys, for I just can’t seem to give a shit. And I generally respect the dead. Generally…..Piss on them and their complaints. While yer at it, keep cutting the clits out of gals, honor killing men, women and girls. Gotta’ keep your priorities in order, right? Assholes! I’d bet a weeks pay a lot of vets are laughing at this…..present company included.

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    nealinnevada growls and barks:

    If they wore uniforms I’d be pissed off…but you don’t wear a uniform and go against us, you ain’t shit and I don’t care. I keep hearing in my head that Everly Brother’s song:

    Listen to the rhythm of the falling rain
    Telling me just what a fool I’ve been
    I wish that it would go and let me cry in vain
    And let me be alone again

    Oh, listen to the falling rain
    Pitter patter, pitter patter
    Oh, listen, listen to the falling rain
    Pitter patter, pitter patter
    Oh, listen, listen to the falling rain

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    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    Are we even sure that those guys really pissed on those bodies? I didn’t see a single penis showing in the video or a urine stream for that matter. For all I know they were faking it with water through a plastic tube or something as a joke. But, who really knows? That video quality sucked.

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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    AND be able to say it with a straight face.

    That goes a LONG way…

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Just me, but, I wouldn’t want to contaminate my piss that way.

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    Southern Libertarian growls and barks:

    LC Darth Scoundrel says:

    If I was their NCO I’d find the guy who took the video and administer a smack down, and then instruct my Marines to NOT FILM THE EVIDENCE FER FUCKSAKES! What goes on patrol STAYS on patrol.

    Damn right.

    If I was their NCO they would be doing some serious corrective training. Not for the act itself but for being dumb enough to film that s***. I’m thinking some Rifle Drills would be appropriate combined with some additional PT. In other words I would “smoke” the dogcrap out of them until they realized that filming this stuff and putting it on youtube is a no-go. OPSEC is there for a reason.

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    0352crumb crunch growls and barks:

    Couldn’t give a shit about the pissing, it’s actually quite funny…but I do find fault with whoever there NCO’s were. Some things you don’t record or photograph, or let junior LCPLS record or photograph. I learned that the hard way when my wife got a hold of my external hard drive from Iraq. But if there weren’t NCO’s standing there when this happened they damn sure saw the video afterward. They should have had that shit deleted quick like, and then laughed about it later. I would like to think that this will be an investigation that goes nowhere, but when something like this goes as high up as it has, someone’s head is going to roll. There’s a saying that if you see Marines start pulling cameras out you should take cover, guess that applied here too.

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    LC Darth Scoundrel growls and barks:

    Hvy Gunner 0331 says:

    Hate to say it, because I completely understand the motivation of the Marines in the video, and I can’t say I wouldn’t have done the same, but the good Padre is right…

    sigh…yeah, he is. That’s why we have Padres, to keep us honest.

    That being said…I still would have grabbed the guy that did the filming and “counseled” him on how not do that again.
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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I @ #:

    Your Majesty,

    Appreciate your words here. Learning to hate the enemy is certainly an attempt of the war-trainers to make the unthinkable more palatable. On the other hand, we don’t do a very good job in the end because human nature is not to hate, but to love. The only way we stir to violence is when we are fighting a moral cause. I have no problem installing a 7.62 mm air conditioner duct in the crania of the animals who butchered those innocent little girls. Give me an AK-47 and I’ll do the job myself. Why? Taking monsters like those out of the world is a moral obligation – unless said perpetrators repent of their wrongs and engage in a life-long effort to bring restitution.

    And I fail to see how pissing on a dead body gets us further down the road of vanquishing our enemy. In fact I think it hurts that very moral cause. No, what was done here is not a moral expression of valid aggression needed to win in battle. It is dehumanizing, arrogant, and contemptible behavior for any US Marine.

    So while I understand your very valid point, I find it wanting as a rationale to explain reprehensible behavior from our young women and men who take an oath to be more than just wonton killers – they are called to be heroic in every sense of the word!

    -Jim+

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain says:

    Appreciate your words here. Learning to hate the enemy is certainly an attempt of the war-trainers to make the unthinkable more palatable. On the other hand, we don’t do a very good job in the end because human nature is not to hate, but to love.

    Indeed, Padre, which is why the necessary “flirting with hatred to make it do our bidding’, necessary though it is to help our young ones survive the toxic environment of war while accomplishing their objectives, is such a dangerous and thin line to walk.

    And I don’t think that anybody could have said it better than LC Darth Scoundrel when he said: “That’s why we have Padres, to keep us honest.” It’s one reason, for sure.

    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain says:

    And I fail to see how pissing on a dead body gets us further down the road of vanquishing our enemy. In fact I think it hurts that very moral cause.

    It doesn’t accomplish anything to further the cause, although I’d argue that it might, indirectly, in helping to keep our boys from going insane. When you stare into the abyss and you find it staring right back at you, you sometimes have to reach for something to help you take a step back, lest it suck you in. Letting your hatred for your enemy out by displaying it openly and joking about it like those young troops did is one such way.

    Another, and pardon me for reaching for analogies again, but I have to go with what I know, is the way I know I and my colleagues have many times dealt with the insanity that a shift at the E.R. can be. You do not ever want to hear, I myself am at times ashamed to remember them, the “jokes” and callous remarks that are thrown around in order to cope with tragedy that is at times more than any mere mortal mind can be expected to cope with.

    But it was necessary, or we would have been unable to do our jobs efficiently. None of that makes it morally right, no amount of clever argument will ever make me truly believe that some of the things I heard or said myself were “right”, and they most certainly did not reflect my true feelings, my true self, they were merely ways of not losing my shit.

    But they still nag me and, again, that is what we have spiritual counselors like yourself for. We do those things, we succumb to the imperatives that reality force upon us to survive, and we turn to you to save our immortal souls. Because if we did not have that anchor to hold on to, we would eventually get swallowed by the beast entirely.

    We need somebody to tell us that even though our actions may have been understandable, even though we may have had to do what we did, even though they probably saved us from something worse, nothing can make them objectively right. “Excusable” does not equal “right”, and we must tend to our souls as well as our bodies, because we need both.

    And even though I will never, imperfect as I am, be able to muster outrage at the events pictured in the video, our enemies deserve far worse than that for their outrages against all that is right and just, I also recognize the wisdom in you pointing out that it is a dangerous path to walk and it is very easy to lose your way and ultimately become that which you hate.

    I am very grateful for that, Padre.
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    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    Southern Libertarian @ #:

    +11! Our guys are better than this BS. But they’re human and susceptible to the occasional act of poor judgment. It’s not so much that there’s anything wrong with utterly disrespecting terrorist scum–because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that–but there’s something to be said for having enough self-respect and maturity to not do stoopid sheet or at least not to photo/film it.

    Would that every unit in our military could be blessed with a Fr. Jim–talk about putting on the armor of the Lord! Alvin York is saluting from Heaven.

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    And I fail to see how pissing on a dead body gets us further down the road of vanquishing our enemy.

    I beg to differ. If their OUTRAGE!!!111!! forces them to out themselves and act out of emotion without thinking first, I think that it does get us further down that road, and might be helpful in the identification of vermin who lack the courage to wear a uniform and not blend into the civilian populace.

    In fact I think it hurts that very moral cause. No, what was done here is not a moral expression of valid aggression needed to win in battle. It is dehumanizing, arrogant, and contemptible behavior for any US Marine.

    I’ll concede “dehumanizing”, which I find appropriate for people who did so much in life to deny the humanity of others, and “arrogant”, which is also just fine. I want our soldiers to be the baddest SOBs walking, and if tinkling on the cooling corpses of a handful of Assholes for Allah gets them cowering in their caves and hovels, quaking with anger and FEAR that it might get stepped up and involve a pig next time, especially if it is their corpse, I’m really quite ok with that.

    And since these guys weren’t cutting up bodies or taking “trophies”, I think I’ll leave “contemptible for those places where it better applies…like strapping bombs onto the mentally handcapped and sending them to the market where they are then detonated remotely.
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    Mark12A growls and barks:

    What can I say? At least they didn’t take any ears. We (collectively) did that in the SEA suck a lifetime ago plus used dead VC and NVA for chairs. My uncle did the same sort of thing in Korea; I imagine before that other relatives did it to dead Japanese soldiers in the Pacific. My ancestors took a few scalps and even in the bible foreskins were cut off dead enemies and put into a pile. Maybe all of that has robbed us of a little humanity and caused us to be a little crazier than normal even now.

    Sorry, Padre, but my life experience has taught me that people’s nature is not to love; they have to learn it. These jihadis have only learned to hate and that it’s okay to cleanse the world of people who won’t accept the word of allah. Thanks for doing your part at being our conscience, but I really think I could wrap these dead assholes in bacon and leave them out for display, then have a nice dinner and a good night’s sleep.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Theyve identified the Marines and verified the pics. All hell will now break loose from the Left.

    (guess they should have beheaded them, like they did to Pearl)

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Where is Code Pink in all this like they were during Abu Grahib ???Where are the calls for Pannettas resignation like there was for Rummys during Abu Grahib??? Hypocrites on the left

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    LC Panzermann growls and barks:

    I dunno, maybe it’s my teutonic contempt for human decency, but I don’t think that anybody who has ever served his country as a soldier could really be outraged or even interested by this. This is war, this is the release (no pun intended) after battle or patrol. This is simply what happens in war under certain circumstances.

    None of the politicos and pundits who have gone on air to condemn either the video or the act itself have ever been down range. Most of them haven’t even been through boot. It’d suit them better to simply STFU.

    Hell, I’d go so far as to wager that this has happened in every war we have ever fought. It simply hasn’t been uploaded to the internet till now.

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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    LC Panzermann @ #:

    Could not disagree with you more. In fact, your comments are a bit offensive to me.

    I served in Iraq. Got shot at…got mortared. Mustafah is a lousy shot, which explains why I’m here.

    In addition, I’ve served my country for nearly 22 years in the military.

    This is not “blowing off steam”, it is engaging in immoral behavior. Period.

    Look, I’m not trying to make the enemy combatants in Afghanistan to be peacemakers. Rather, I’m holding us to a higher standard.

    And before you condemn those who value humanity and decency, perhaps you should consider that this very contempt you seem to express seems as equally evil as the monsters of Islam slaughtering wontonly.

    -Jim+

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    LC Panzermann growls and barks:

    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain @ #:

    Fair enough, Chaplain. These were immoral acts, no doubt about it, not trying to deny it. But from where I stand, they just pale somewhat in comparison to other immoral acts that are committed in war, mostly by our enemies.

    I am not saying that this is an example to emulate in the field, but simply that things immeasurably worse happen in war and that hatred and maybe even contempt towards the enemy mixed with the relief to be alive will find their valve.

    I am sure that the soldiers involved will be disciplined by the army as they would in the Bundeswehr. This is testament to the higher standards you require. Our enemies would have acted very differently.

    What I tried to express was that the self-righteous indignation of our political and medial classes over this one particular act is not warranted and implies a sort of uniqueness to this act that simply is not there. I also see them hardly in a position to judge this act properly as they have never been ‘there’.

    I did not mean to offend you, your service or your moral standards in this matter. I apologize.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Representative Allen West puts things into perspective masterfully.

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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    LC Panzermann @ #:

    No harm; no foul, my friend.

    God bless you!

    -Jim+

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    So let me get this straight, its moral to kill them using whatever means necessary but immoral to piss an em when they are dead..

    To suggest that this behavior was immoral seems a bit much. Unseemly yes, immoral no.

  52. 52
    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    Ship those Devil Dogs some of this

    Best IPA I’ve ever had, and at 8.3 %, just the thing for a long winter’s night.
    Goes well with moderately spicy (Texas moderately) foods.

    —————————————-

    Padre, while I agree in abstract with your thoughts in # 11, we have tried “turn the other cheek” with these cave dwelling barbarians, and it simply does not work. They see our restraint as a form of weakness.

    We have to get their attention somehow, because they simply do not believe we really mean it.

    We need men like you, to hold back our leash, to restrain the animal that has to lurk somewhere deep in the heart of any warrior. I understand that, and our fighting men and women need people like you to remind us that that there still IS civilization.

    But i also understand the perfectly natural desire, and the regrettable necessity to sometimes slip the chains, and prove to them that civilized men can still be as barbaric, as brutal, as downright mean and dirty as they are. In the long run, it will save lives.

    Maybe the life of someone I care about.

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    I gotta go with Troy on this one. “Immoral”? How are you defining the term?

    I can see “disgusting” for the faint of heart, I can see “disrespectful” for those who might think that they are deserving of respect in repose, I might even concede that this robbed the dead of dignity, if you were inclined to believe that they had dignity in life, but it seems to me, that “immoral” is a stretch here…
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  54. 54
    LC Panzermann growls and barks:

    Troy, Blackiswhite

    “Immoral”? How are you defining the term?

    I was looking at this as immoral simply from our own cultural set of morals. That we would usually apply at any time and with no regard to the nature of moral footing enemy.

    In short: “Western men don’t urinate on bodies.” It’s just something that we generally do not do. It would be part of a code of moral behavior that one could say is broadly accepted.

    Thus, this act has been a transgression against our moral values, but then again, not a bad one. Worse things happen in war and nobody was hurt.

    I think the coverage of this event in the Western press and the commentary by our own politicians has done far more damage than the actual act and its publication on the net.

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    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    LC Panzermann @ #:
    I think that for “Western Men” you are mentally substituting “European Men”! I am Scots-Irish and one of our insults is that ” I will Piss on your Grave”!

    How far is that from “I will Piss on your Body”?

    The act is not the problem as it leaves intact bodies to bury, unlike Islamist asshole who dismember and drag through the streets!

    The stupidity here is putting it up on the Internet or YouTube!
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