Careful There, Ear Leader (UPDATED)

LC Subotai points out the Ogabe Junta’s troubling response to Judge Vinson’s finding, which basically amounts to “fuck the law, we’re going straight ahead regardless” or, as they literally put their reaction to OgabeCare being found un-Constitutional in its entirety, “implementation will continue.”

Even CNBC noticed.

You just can’t do that under the law. What you can do, and what the Ogabe Junta should have done, had they cared one little fig about the law, would be to file for a stay and, quite frankly, considering the number of legal battles going on here and the almost certainty that it’ll go to the Supreme Court before it’s settled, we’re having a hard time imagining that such a motion would not be granted on the grounds that it is still very much early in the process but, then again, we’re not a lawyer.

Perhaps the Consigliere would care to chime in?

But the “Constitutional Scholar” in Chief obviously didn’t consider it necessary for his glorious self to follow the laws he is sworn to uphold and defend.

It’s becoming increasingly clear just why Ogabe decided to side, unequivocally, with the dictator-wannabe of Honduras when he was ousted in full accordance with the laws of Honduras, calling the citizens of Honduras utilizing their recourse to the law a “coup.”

Laws are not for him, obviously, at least not in his megalomaniacal, narcissistic, diseased mind.

CNBC asks the question:

should government officials mindful of the constitution start defying the Obama administration to honor the decision by the court?

If they have laid down an oath, then they have no choice. Except for the choice to join in the Ogabe regime’s unlawful usurpation of powers that are not theirs and their utter disregard for the rule of law.

And if they do decide, as Ogabe and his regime have apparently decided, that they’re above the law, then they’d do well to remember, all of them, that if you’ve declared yourself above the law…

Then you’re outside the law.

We trust that everybody can draw the only logical conclusion from there on out.

Thatisall.

UPDATE: Well, it seems that none other than Justice Vinson himself spelled out why he didn’t include a specific injunction, seeing as how there is no need to:

It is even more so when the party to be enjoined is the federal government, for there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.” See Comm. on Judiciary of U.S. House of Representatives v. Miers, 542 F.3d 909, 911 (D.C. Cir. 2008); accord Sanchez-Espinoza v. Reagan, 770 F.2d 202, 208 n.8 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (“declaratory judgment is, in a context such as this where federal officers are defendants, the practical equivalent of specific relief such as an injunction . . . since it must be presumed that federal officers will adhere to the law as declared by the court”) (Scalia, J.) (emphasis added).

Since the Ogabe Junta has clearly and unequivocally declared that they have no intentions of following the decision and won’t even follow the law as far as filing for a stay, they’re clearly in contempt. Actually, they’re bordering on sedition if they’re not already there, so if they don’t think again and start following the rule of law, impeachment would seem the only way to go from here.

52 comments

  1. 1
    seagoon growls and barks:

    That be a long time with no comments, so I’d better jump in…. not that I have anything in particular to say, just don’t like naked threads :D

  2. 2
    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    IIRC it was simply declaratory relief, not injunctive. So Vinson called a spade a spade, but didn’t tell them to drop said spade, leaving that for once someone is actually forced to buy insurance under a mandate.

    I could be talking out my ass though.

  3. 3
    Library Czar growls and barks:

    BIW can you weigh in on this?

  4. 4
    bruce growls and barks:

    i think that tar,feathers and a rail would look good on bongo and the first sasquatch.the house is not going to fund bongo,s commie care and single payer health care is the road to bankruptcy as mass is finding out.

  5. 5
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I see that there are a few states starting to put together their own health care reform bills. Vermont is heading towards a “single payer” system, and Oregon and Washington are thinking of the same thing.

    Good for them..under the Constitution they have every right just like Taxatwoshits, what we are pissed about is the FEDERAL government ( who has no power under said Constitution) doing it. And don’t give me the bullshit about the commerce clause, because you were not allowed to buy insurance across state lines, so it’s not interstate commerce

  6. 6
    AyUaxe growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    That decision isn’t final until the final court has its say.

    Until an appeal is filed and a stay order is obtained, the District Court ruling is the final judgment. Anyone who acts in disregard of that judgment is in contempt. A stay of the judgment (i.e., an order allowing continuing implementation of Obama-don’t-care) is likely, but not a foregone conclusion. There is no irreparable harm to the gummint, if it’s stopped in its tracks. Indeed, the budget and the American people–who’ve resoundingly rejected this monstrous gummint-funded legislative and executive abortion–would be greatly relieved by a respite from its bureaucratic metastasizing. Were I on the 11th Cir., there would be no stay pending appeal.

    On a practical note, what happens under our Constitution and laws when a rogue executive rejects the supremacy of the Constitution and laws of this Nation? What would happen if federal marshals showed up at Sibelius’ office, took her and a bunch of her staff into custody for contempt and locked down the whole operation? I don’t think there’s any arm of the executive that would stand against a unit of federal marshals with a duly issued warrant. Most of the rank and file, even of federal law enforcement, still realize that their authority derives from the law, not from a single powerful individual.

    If <0 flaunts the Courts and the Constitution and dickHolder continues to represent the gummint in his usual, alienating, clownish manner, that will only come back to bite them in 2012.

  7. 7
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    But you can USE that insurance over state lines, so it is interstate commerce.

    But I can’t buy it in Say Iowa if it were cheaper than in Ohio, and use it here

  8. 8

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Vermont is heading towards a “single payer” system, and Oregon and Washington are thinking of the same thing.

    need clarification here……just who is this benevolent Single Payer who is going to rescue health care in this country?

  9. 9
    Cortillaen growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:
    But you can USE that insurance over state lines, so it is interstate commerce.

    By that definition (“it can be used across state lines”), every product made anywhere and a great many services* are all interstate commerce. Somehow, I doubt the Founders intended one of their enumerated powers to encompass all material goods and many services.

    That idiocy aside, can someone explain to me how it makes any semblance of sense to allow potentially unconstitutional laws to remain in effect while they are being argued in court, even assuming a stay has been granted? The law isn’t a freaking defendant entitled to assumption of innocence. If there is any doubt that the law is constitutional (read: it is being challenged), it should be suspended until the resolution of the challenge. Yes, there would be complications (eg. you’d need to make criminal law retroactive on the period of their suspension if found constitutional in order to prevent assholes from filing a suit against a law in order to break it with impunity), but they strike me as vastly superior to having monster bills defy the Constitution all over the place and keep right on doing so even while being challenged.

    *Example: You get a massage, then go across state lines on a business trip. Since the massage affected your ability to perform on your cross-lines trip, it must be interstate commerce. Don’t even try to tell me a government that argues the oil in milk subjects farmers to the EPA’s power over oil spills wouldn’t make just this argument.

  10. 10
    Cortillaen growls and barks:

    Response to Cortillaen @:
    Link on the EPA milk thing.

  11. 11
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Teufelhunden_JD says:

    IIRC it was simply declaratory relief, not injunctive. So Vinson called a spade a spade, but didn’t tell them to drop said spade,

    He doesn’t have to, at least not according to the legal eagles I’ve read a word or two from. When he declared the whole law un-Constitutional, lock stock and barrel, that IS an injunction, since that includes all of the stuff they’re already starting to implement. When a judge declares something un-Constitutional it doesn’t imply a “but you can go ahead violating the Supreme Law of the land anyway until I say otherwise” clause.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Gee, ya never heard of appealing the decision? Just because a lower court renders a decision doesn’t make it so. That decision isn’t final until the final court has its say.

    Did anybody say that it was? Because I must have missed that bit.

    Sure they can appeal it, they have every right to, but if they don’t want the whole process to be stopped after a finding like this, they have to follow the law and legal procedure just like everybody else and file a motion to stay which, apparently, they feel that they’re above.

  12. 12
    Gladiator growls and barks:

    “Republicans must continue to pursue repeal of the whole Obamacare law. None of this, ‘Well, there are parts of it that we like.’ Forget that. No deals, no negotiations. Kill it.”

    “The New Castrati is saying, ‘Well, we have two other federal judges who said that Obamacare is constitutional. What about that, what about that, what about that?’ Here’s the true answer, and don’t doubt me: it means nothing.”

    “This is not an occasion to look for common ground. This is an occasion to build upon a decision that rules the fundamental building block of Obama’s reason to be president unconstitutional.”

    “Mr. New Castrati, if they can force us to buy health insurance, they can force us to buy broccoli. Once you get this in your head that they can force us to buy health insurance, what’s to stop them from making us buy a stupid electric car?”

    “I’ll tell you, Judge Vinson’s reference to the original Tea Party was just a really great poke in the eye to the Democrats and the media. I mean, he could’ve cited any number of examples, but to take that one… That was just, ‘I’m gonna jam this in the nearest orifice I can find, and I’m not stopping!’”

    “Obama’s a constitutional scholar, folks. Or, more properly, he taught how to subvert the Constitution to a bunch of ACORN-types when he was in Chicago.”

    h/t Rush Limbaugh

  13. 13
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    just who is this benevolent Single Payer who is going to rescue health care in this country?

    You and me, through very high taxes.

    I find it hilarious that the Canadian government owned health system has a waiting list of 10 months for a maternity room.

    Not so hilarious for the mothers, but hilarious nonetheless.

  14. 14

    lc purple raider says:

    You and me, through very high taxes.

    Gawd……aren’t we just teh most generous guys around???? how decent of us to take this on.

    lc purple raider says:

    I find it hilarious that the Canadian government owned health system has a waiting list of 10 months for a maternity room.

    Not so hilarious for the mothers, but hilarious nonetheless.

    as a recent prostate cancer sufferer, if we had that single payer system that you and I would so generously pay for I would still be waiting for the surgery I had only 5 weeks after diagnosis last year. 5 weeks…..from blood test to operation….to being clean from cancer. What a crappy system eh?

  15. 15
    LC LittleRott84 Imperial DJ growls and barks:

    Oh my mother is going to have a cow. See, my sister is 23, and recently had to have quite a bit of medical attention over the past week or so. She lost her health insurance a while back because of the idiots that bought the company she works for (she’s required to work at least 28 hours a week in order to keep her health insurance, and her hours were cut by more than half, which means there goes her health insurance). The law extended the length that a “dependent” can be on their parents’ plan, from 23 to 26. However, the only problem is that it’s regardless of whether or not said “dependent” is in school or working and not getting benefits.

  16. 16
    Cortillaen growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:
    Hey, I didn’t set the precedents and interpretations. I just report them. Don’t shoot the messenger. That is exactly how the Commerce clause is being used.

    Your tone in #8 certainly comes across as dismissive of the notion that such a use is against the spirit (and letter) of the Constitution, if not outright supportive of such a use since it allowed an end-run of the Constitution while instituting national “civil rights” policies through absurdist means. If you feel differently, by all means, let’s hear it.

    I stand by my reductio ad absurdum: A) The Founders enumerated powers to restrain the federal government’s reach. B) The Commerce Clause is one of those enumerated powers. C) The Commerce Clause grants the federal government power over all goods and services that ever pass or cause effects across state lines. D) Said class of goods and services encompasses almost the entire economy. Ergo, the Founders enumerated a power in direct contravention to the purpose of their enumeration of powers. Hence, reductio ad absurdum.

    Further, because of the above, either the Founders were idiots, or at least one of the above arguments is false. I think we can all agree that they were not fools and that both B and D are undisputed. That leaves either A or C, and I find there to be plenty of evidence in support of A while none for C (of course, I don’t consider after-the-fact legal opinions support, so we may differ there).

  17. 17
    Cannon Fodder growls and barks:

    DJ, honestly I think you’re wrong. UNTIL a higher court alters the ruling, the lower courts decision is final. Otherwise criminals would never go to jail until the supreme court ruled or refused to hear the case.

  18. 18
    LC PrimEviL growls and barks:

    I’d like to register an appeal of my own.
    10 Megatons.
    There, bastards, appeal that. Ha!

  19. 19
    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    From the writings of the founders, the purpose of the Commerce Clause was to prevent states enacting tariffs on each other. IE. New York puts a 20% tariff on any goods imported from Pennsylvania.

  20. 20
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Laser-brain commenter Bullwinkle Jr, at the link, had this to say.

    haven’t other federal judges upheld the law, or are you just ignoring that? i think your bias is showing. why do you love insurance companies and hate people?

    Why do you Luuuurve insurance companies and Hate People, you big meanie-man?

    I have a question for BJ: Did you not notice that INSURANCE COMPANIES DID NOT OPPOSE THIS LAW?

    Right, thought so.

  21. 21
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    MORE LOVE FOR OBAMA FROM THE COURTS:

    http://minx.cc/?post=311606 ACE OF SPADES

    Federal Judge Martin Feldman has just held the Department of the Interior in contempt of court over their imposing a second moratorium on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. After the BP oil spill, claiming unanimous support from a panel of scientists [submitted under oath as part of their filing] Obama’s Department of the Interior declared a moratorium on all American oil drilling in the Gulf. It turns out that they fabricated the scientists’ statements, and in response to a lawsuit by oil companies; Judge Feldman overturned the moratorium. Obama immediately re-imposed it, in defiance of the court. It has since been technically lifted, with drilling allowed by special license. The regime will not grant any licenses, for any reason.

    The penalty is that the Interior Department has to pay the oil companies’ legal fees. That will not be cheap. However, that comes out of our pockets. The interesting thing will be if the oil companies now file a further action about the non-existent licensing scheme. I can see an action under my favorite law for dealing with government misconduct, 42 USC 1983. Both government entities and officials are subject to both civil and criminal penalties, as Sovereign Immunity was waived by Congress when this law was passed. They will have the deliberate contempt of court by the regime as part of the record in any ’1983′ suit. I am looking forward to the regime being hit 4 ways [long, wide, deep, and continuous] with a Writ of Res Amo a Vilis Meretricis by the Constitutional branch that Senator Schumer does not believe exists.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  22. 22
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Scrap the POS and just write a simple piece of federal legislation that directs each state to come up with their own health care system, and leave it at that.

    Better yet, let the states decide whether or not they want a health care system.

  23. 23
    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    DJ: It’s actually simpler than all that.

    Until they get a stay and start the appeal process, they cannot punish anyone for refusing to comply.

    All such punishments have to go past a judge … who will throw the case out if they continue to ignore judgments like this.

    A similar thing is happening with the off-shore drilling moratorium. Obama just had Interior cook up a new slightly different ban, instead of fighting the injunction. Interior is now in contempt, and there is absolutely nothing stopping oilmen from just drilling, and having the local sheriff cart off any feds who interfere.

    Is this what Obama wants? No rule of law? Bad move sport. Rule of Law is the only thing keeping these jokers from decorating lamp posts.

  24. 24
    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Response to Grammar Czar @:

    Are you suggesting that STATES should have RIGHTS in these matters?

    Really….’STATES’ RIGHTS’?

    Isn’t such a notion inherently racist, within the context of history?

    And even if it weren’t, what about the states (say, in ‘nut-land’) that are ‘uninformed’ or otherwise don’t really know what’s good for them?

    Surely, the Federal Government couldn’t LET them continue under their own self-determination, and especially those that have already proven their lack of understanding, through their very disagreement with the Federal Government in the first place!

    No – what we clearly need here is the firm hand of a singlularly-concentrated authority, acting in benevolence for the greater good of us all – and especially for those poor, beknighted souls who are too far removed from understanding to even see that need in the first place.

    They – especially – must be protected from themselves.

    Doesn’t that sound better – even ‘comforting’?

    – MD

  25. 25
    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    Response to Grammar Czar @:

    Better yet, let the states decide whether or not they want a health care system.

    Google “TennCare.” (TN is my new home, since 2008.) I am told it hasn’t worked out well. Maybe they just didn’t have the right people in charge. :em02:

  26. 26
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    LC MuscleDaddy says:

    No – what we clearly need here is the firm hand of a singlularly-concentrated authority, acting in benevolence for the greater good of us all – and especially for those poor, beknighted souls who are too far removed from understanding to even see that need in the first place.

    OMG, MD…my sister gave me that exact argument (although SHE was serious). She actually tried to convince that the government is acting in my best interests. I went ballistic. The problem is that she can’t argue logically, so I knew I couldn’t convince her otherwise.

    She is the same person who tried to tell me that we are forced to pay a gasoline tax. When I tried to explain to her that if I don’t buy gasoline, I don’t have to pay a tax on it, she just kept insisting that a gas tax is mandatory. And, yes, I realize that companies offset their gasoline taxes for shipping and whatnot by raising prices, but I also have the choice whether or not to buy from them…She just didn’t get it.

  27. 27
    emily_nelson growls and barks:

    Let’s get back to the framer’s intent and get the gov”t off our backs.

  28. 28
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    tell the states that they have to come up with their own health care system.

    You misunderstood my comment. I said let the states decide WHETHER they want a health care system. As it stands now, as I understand it, there are states likely to go broke with the Obamacare mandates. Suppose the states can’t afford their own healthcare plan? Several states have tried, and failed, to provide health care for all. If it can’t be managed well on a small state scale, how you do figure that it can be managed well on a large national level?

    If the states MUST keep a health care plan (or insurance for all), then at least allow competition between states, as we have for car insurance.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    You don’t buy gasoline?

    Technically, she is kinda right. The oil companies get tax subsidies to help keep prices low.

    The convo was way more convoluted than I presented it. Yes, I buy gasoline, but the point I was trying to make to her is that, I don’t necessarily HAVE to. I live within walking distance of pretty much everything I need. My apartment is all-electric. She wasn’t referring to indirect taxes, such as those incurred by us when we buy groceries, etc…to help pay truckers, et al, for their gas taxes. She was talking about the actual gas pump.

  29. 29

    Since the Ogabe Junta has clearly and unequivocally declared that they have no intentions of following the decision and won’t even follow the law as far as filing for a stay, they’re clearly in contempt. Actually, they’re bordering on sedition if they’re not already there, so if they don’t think again and start following the rule of law, impeachment would seem the only way to go from here.

    bordering on sedition if they’re not already there? Way the fuck past it. Remember your OATH. Those in place, do your duty to ths nation and her Constitution. You remember that, don’t you? Yeah, the toilet paper of the left.

  30. 30
    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    DJ:
    Are they forcing you to comply right now? Do you expect them to force you to comply within the next twenty days or so?

    Actually, yes. Look up the 1099 fiasco that was attached to it.

    If a small business does not report ALL transactions totaling over $600 during the year on a 1099, they go to jail. This includes normal business expenses. Do you buy stuff for your business over the internet? Better get an SS or TaxID number from that vendor. Or from the guy who mows the lawn. Or the one who delivers the water bottles and stocks the coffee area ….

    Another example is employers scrambling for exemptions, or restructuring to self insure. Or simply dropping health insurance.

    I have no more company health insurance, as of this minute, because of the Obamacare act. My employer looked at the numbers, and had to bail out right now.

    No, yes, DJ, this crap is effecting me severely, and it is because the people effected did not want to go to jail.

  31. 31
    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @:

    That’s what Obama did, and he won. He got 52 percent of the people who voted to go along with what he was selling. That is what YOUR guy needs to do.

    This isn’t a democracy, DJ. This is a constitutional Republic with a set of laws.

    Getting 52% of the vote does not give Obama the right to ignore court orders or laws. If he can’t get this through his head, and if the Dems in congress won’t allow impeachment ( or the threat of impeachment ) to curb him, then our options get narrowed very quickly.

    Nixon was impeached for much less … simply for lying about whether or not his men broke into an office to rifle papers.

  32. 32
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    It is the same thing with all the dog whistle noises that idiots like Glenn Beck makes. He is there to rile you people up, get you all scared and lathered up until some crazy nut actually goes out and tries to do something about it. (and there has been) Then sit back and claim that it couldn’t have been anything that he said…

    Please cite chapter and verse about which Beck quote made someone do something against the government.

    I appreciate the fact that you don’t like the things that Obama does, and/or actually hate Obama himself. There are quite a few things that I disapprove of also. But none of it rises to the point of being illegal, or even unconstitutional, or warrants the need to call for a military coup.

    Per Judge Vinson’s lips:

    It is even more so when the party to be enjoined is the federal government, for there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result, the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.”

    Yet Ogabe is still acting as if the the Death Care law is valid, as of this writing.

    He has not asked for a stay of the ruling ( as of right now).

    And that is an impeachable offense.

    Imagine, a Constitutional lawyer, breaking one the fundamental tenets of the Constitution. Who wooda thunk it?

  33. 33
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    The fratboy-in-chief has once again sent a big SCREW YOU to our stauchest ally: US-agrees-to-tell-Russia-Britains-nuclear-secrets

  34. 34
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    If you’re so froggy, then leap. Why insist the other guy do it? This is the typical thing with the Right — talk a tough game up and until you think it is time for some action. Then tell someone else to do it.

    It’s just a reminder of the oath, nothing more.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    It is the same thing with all the dog whistle noises that idiots like Glenn Beck makes. He is there to rile you people up, get you all scared and lathered up until some crazy nut actually goes out and tries to do something about it. (and there has been)

    None so far that have actually done anything, unless you’re still stuck on a Zeitgeist fan who thinks we’re being “controlled by grammar” being a right wing nut, in which case I can’t help you. It’ll take therapy and drugs to get there.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Secondly, that Constitution already has a procedure in place in order to change government. It is called an election.

    Very true, and that’s what everybody sane is still hoping will save us, because nobody, nobody wants to go “there.” But if the current government shows an utter disregard for the rule of law then the rule of law isn’t going to help much, is it?

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    The one thing for sure is that there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for armed revolution to overthrow the elected and established government

    No. That’s what the Declaration of Independence and its preamble is for. There was nothing in British Law allowing for the Founding Fathers to decide that enough was enough either, and they thought long and hard about that before they made their decision because they, too, knew that once you travel down that road there is no turning back, which is exactly why they went to such great lengths to explain just why they did what they did and how they had no other choice.

    Pray to G-d that we don’t reach that point again, but if we do, the precedent is there.DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    I appreciate the fact that you don’t like the things that Obama does, and/or actually hate Obama himself. There are quite a few things that I disapprove of also. But none of it rises to the point of being illegal, or even unconstitutional,

    Disregarding the Rule of Law does. I don’t know when the last time was that the government was held in contempt of the court as they were in the oil drilling moratorium case or when the last time was that the government, having been found in defiance of the Constitution, didn’t even find it worth their time to follow the law and ask for a stay but instead, openly and in clear defiance, stated that their plans would be implemented regardless.

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Next year the silly season starts all over again. If you want to make a change in your favor, why not pour all of your energy and soul into finding the perfect candidate to put up against Obama?

    I agree. That’s the way it is supposed to work, and it’s the way it has worked even back when that incompetent fuckwad Carter was the president, but it is beginning to look as if those halcyon days are behind us. Say what you want about Dhimmi Cardigan, and I can think about quite a few things, but he still respected the law of the land.

    We don’t live in that world anymore. We now have a regime that openly disregards the law, as a matter of fact thinks themselves above the law, and is tied in with organizations known for perpetrating vote fraud.

    They’re not even trying to hide it anymore. They are openly telling us that they don’t have to respect procedure. Fuck, Chuckleheads Schumer can’t even correctly identify the three branches of government, and you’re telling me to have trust in our system of laws???

  35. 35
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    But none of it rises to the point of being illegal,

    Ya think?

    For that matter, tell me how jugears can legally leapfrog over bankruptcy law to snatch up General Motors and hand off Chrysler to the UAW as an obvious quid pro quo?

  36. 36
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    I’ll give you a name, and you can read all about it — from the suspect’s own statements. The guy’s name is Byron Williams.

    Nice try, not buying it. Sorry, anything Media Matters spews is suspect. Soros probably told them to write it.
    And yes, I did read the whole story, no, I don’t believe a word of it.

    Perhaps you could find a Newsmax story about the 580 shooter.

    And like I keep saying — it is valid because Vinson’s decision isn’t final law. Not yet.

    Again, nice try. Until an appeal and a stay of the injunction are filed, Vinson’s decision is final, even if it is an inferior court. The pResident has to file for a stay.

  37. 37
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Substitute Bush for Obama and you could have been a Liberal back in 2004 saying that.

    OK. I’m getting old and senile here, so please refresh my memory, particularly on the subject of adverse court decisions where the Bush administration’s only response was “we’ll go on regardless.”

    Of course you’re right that Ogabe has every right to file for a stay or an appeal (both would be the most likely response here). Again, I don’t remember who said that he doesn’t have that right. And yes, there’s a clock involved too and, at worst, he has about a couple of weeks to do so.

    So let him do so. The issue here is that he has shown no interest in doing so and, quite to the contrary, has shown a quite unprecedented (for a law-abiding president, which he’s obviously not) arrogance in simply declaring that he doesn’t give a hack, the court doesn’t matter and he’ll do whatever he wants anyway. “L’etat, c’est moi.”

    Just as he did with the drilling moratorium which just DID earn the arrogant prick a contempt finding.

  38. 38
    R6 growls and barks:

    Hey deej, I can’t remember. Have I invited you to go fuck yourself lately?

    No?

    Okay.

    Hey deej, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

    You are an ignorant, willful moron of the left that doesn’t have the self esteem to admit that you are a pathetic, lying sack of shit that will carry the “meme of the day” of your socialist anti-American comrades.

    Please get the fuck out of my country.
    :em72:

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Funny thing about that Media Matters story — and virtually every other one they do — they like to post the actual quotes of the people they talk about. You know, letting that person use their own words to tell the story.

    But hey, that “ultra-liberal” Christian Science Monitor will tell you the same facts on this story. Maybe George Soros wrote that one also.

    BTW: George Soros is small potatoes compared with the Koch Brothers.

    Again, a story from Newsmax, and I will believe you. And yes the Christian Science Monitor is left wing.

    And the only stories about the Koch Brothers were from Marxist rags, Huffingglue, Kostards, Media Matters.

    Oh speaking of which, this should be an eye opener

    Or perhaps, this story would interest you.

    Oh you want a money quote?

    Beck and his Fox News show has long been the target of an unsuccessful liberal effort to force advertisers to boycott his show. The campaign against Beck was first led by a far-left organization called Color for Change.

    Beck has never advocated violence in his critique of Tides or any other left-wing organization.

    I think Byron Williams is having words put into his mouth.

  40. 40
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The government has lost cases in lower courts before and it hasn’t stopped them. I think you are expecting immediate gratification and that just doesn’t exist in the legal realm.

    …and you wonder why there is talk of “voting from the rooftops” exactly why?

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    Funny thing about that Media Matters story — and virtually every other one they do — they like to post the actual quotes of the people they talk about. You know, letting that person use their own words to tell the story.

    Considering that you liberals scream about context every time one of yours is caught in a lie, you should understand this. While MM may quote the WORDS, they often quote out of context (I am shocked, SHOCKED that a left wing organization would take anyone out of context…not).

    I listen to Neal Boortz when I can, and read him everyday. He is not politically correct by any means, and he means what he says. He has a running war on with the “Media Myrmidons,” (as he likes to call them). They love to take one or two things that he says and quote them…totally out of context. Anyone who knows/listens to/reads Boortz would recognize it at once.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Hello… Newsmax isn’t news, it is opinion wrapped around the news, masquerading as the news. It, like FOX “News” typically uses dog whistles in its commentary to speak in code to people like yourself.

    And Media Matters isn’t news, it’s using dog whistles in its commentary to speak in code to Marxists like yourself.

    Here, you will hear Williams in his own words. You will also hear police detectives tell you the same thing — That Williams was carrying out what Glenn Beck incited him to do.

    Saw a picture, heard a voice. didn’t see any lips moving.

    The Koch brothers fund groups that include the Cato Institute, Reason Foundation, Property and Environment Research Center, Students for a Libertarian Society, The Libertarian Review, Institute for Humane Studies, Council for a Competitive Economy, Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society, and the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. They are the major contributors behind the Tea Party movement.

    All fine institutions. Fighting for less regulation, less taxes, and less government is always a good thing.

    I doubt that they contributed anything to the Tea Party.

    Don’t insult my intelligence.

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    Mike M growls and barks:

    You will also hear police detectives tell you the same thing — That Williams was carrying out what Glenn Beck incited him to do.

    I didn’t hear that on the tape, but maybe it got inadvertently edited out. There appeared to be an awful lot of cutting and splicing going on there.

    Here’s another interview of Byron Williams…

    Freeway gunman Byron Williams says Glenn Beck did not incite him to violence

    Did Fox talk show host Glenn Beck and the right-wing media push the I-580 gunman, Byron Williams, to violence? No, says Williams in an exclusive jailhouse interview with the Examiner.com. He also said he felt forced to act out in violence because Beck and others in the right wing media were not fighting hard enough against organizations like the left-leaning Tides Foundation.

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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    That Williams was carrying out what Glenn Beck incited him to do.

    ” It was the things that he exposed, that blew my mind, Beck would never say anything about a conspiracy, would never advocate violence, he’ll never do anything, like, of this nature, but he’ll give you every ounce of evidence that you possibly need”

    So Williams says he listens to Beck, Beck gives him information, he goes on line and verifies it ( which he said in the interview ) and just because this guy is completely batshit insane..It’s Beck’s fault that he gets into a shootout with the police on his way to the tides foundation?

    Really spooky background music, the voice over guy with the deep sinister voice..Really good job, kinda scary.

    Just once, I would like you or anybody else who can do nothing but call him names, say he is ” Inciting Violence ” with his rethoric ” twisting the truth ” PROVE HIM WRONG..and I am not saying he is correct or some of what he says doesn’t sound Jesse Ventura insane, I am saying not once in that video did Media Doesn’t Matter refute anything he says.

    Just say ” Here Beck says A…But here are the actual facts where he is wrong” until somebody does that you are not going to discredit him just by shouting at the top of your lungs that he is a big fat poopie head, and a big liar butt, like you are in third grade.

    Funny how we tell our kids that when they go to school , they should listen to and learn what the teacher is telling them, like the are the complete authority on everything..Why cause they have a piece of paper that says some school says they are smart enough to teach, but Beck ( because he doesn’t have one of those papers )
    but probably does more research into the lesson plan than most teachers do, He knows nothing?

    Check what he is teaching, if the facts prove him right, Good. If they prove him wrong, call him on it

  45. 45
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    Response to Mike M @ 53:

    Looks lick Nutty nut job was spending way more time listening to Infowars and the rest of them than he was Beck

  46. 46
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    “LIKE” not lick…. :em98: :em98:

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, ITW says:

    It, like FOX “News” typically uses dog whistles in its commentary to speak in code to people like yourself.

    Dog Whistles? Is this the new meme from the socialists? (DJ has referenced the term at least twice and I doubt he made it up himself) So I am to believe that FOX purposely inserts “special language” that only its adherents can hear but not anyone else? And that the reason for doing so is to intentionally cause violence? Man O Man talk about jumping the shark.

    I wonder why there has been no infiltration of the organization with an effort to secure “proof” of such behavior? Where is the patriotic whistleblower who (having guilt pains) outs this? Oh wait, I bet it is all a plot of those evul corporatists along with the CIA which is why they are able to keep this behavior a secret.

    DJ I implore you…put down the Ganja. That Humboldt weed has got you all fucked up

    Fucking Dog Whistles…..give me a fucking break

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    Mike M growls and barks:

    LOL! Do you have any idea what examiner.com is?

    I guess you missed what I was saying there. To make your point you provided one heavily edited piece of leftist propaganda, another of a news person who is jabbering away about her purely speculative basis for a motive, and a completely unsupported assertion about what “police detectives” will tell us. I simply linked linked an article that claimed something else and, as far as I’m concerned, it’s every bit as legitimate as that which you offered.

    Media Matters… a paragon of objectivity. LOL!

  49. 49
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    You see DJ Allyn, Token Marxist, there’s a reason I don’t believe anything that Media Matters, NPR, CBS, NBC, PBS, ABC/Disney/ESPN, Huffington, CNN, DU, anything with progressive in it’s name, anything with social or justice in its name, or the rest of their ilk.

    Everything that comes out of their various orifices is a lie, including the ands, ifs, and buts.

    (BTW, I do consider someone to be a marxist if they believe that government owned health care is a wonderful thing).

    Those people mentioned above have been caught in lie after lie after lie, it is pointless to try to refute it.

    So go ahead and try to belittle me. You will fail.

    Oh, and if you really want me to call you a name, like you claim I do every time I speak to you by calling you a Marxist, well that’s fine.

    I can call you a name, if you wish.

    For even though you are “6’7″, 275 lbs, you are still twatmold.

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    R6 growls and barks:

    Of course it isn’t. But it does quote verbatim what people have said.

    Example for the short busers:

    deej says: I don’t advocate violence, but if someone were to put a bullet between Glenn Beck’s eyes I wouldn’t shed a single tear.

    Quote for my article:

    deej wants to kill Glenn Beck. He said, and I quote “put a bullet between Glenn Beck’s eyes”.

    Wake up you fucking America hating simpleton.

    :em72: :em72:

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    bruce growls and barks:

    the house will never fund bongo care so the commie in chief can implement all he wants with out money.we need to to repeal everything that the national socialist democratic workers party threw in our faces and start putting them in jail.dj i think you are pulling our leg because you can’t really believe that marxis bull shit.

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    Kristopher, LC growls and barks:

    Yes, DJ, you are correct. Nixon quit before he could be impeached, and Ford pardoned his ass, something I will nor forgive him for. I was watching the whole sordid business on TV at the time …

    Clinton also lied under oath, and was impeached, but the Dems in congress covered for him.

    I don’t see you retracting your earlier statement that nothing in Obamacare had any effect on me. Would a scan of the written notice from my employer concerning my health insurance suffice as evidence?