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In which we learn that muslims in Britain are apparently walking out on lectures about evolution, but that’s not the main point of the article.

Muslim students, including trainee doctors on one of Britain’s leading medical courses, are walking out of lectures on evolution claiming it conflicts with creationist ideas established in the Koran.

Professors at University College London have expressed concern over the increasing number of biology students boycotting lectures on Darwinist theory, which form an important part of the syllabus, citing their religion.

A bit silly of them, if you ask us but, then again, we are quite familiar with how threatened the poor little dears feel whenever anybody or anything questions their beliefs. Beliefs that they can’t be holding all that close to begin with if they think they might lose them simply by listening to some boring old college prof drone on and on until everybody in the auditorium is snoring loudly. But we digress, and we certainly shan’t cast the first stone here, considering all of the lectures we walked out on back during our days in academe.

Of course, His Imperial Majesty didn’t walk out citing his religion, he didn’t have much of one at the time, unless you can call “happy hour at the local pub” or “excessive debauchery” a religion. What surely frustrated our profs no end was that we kept stubbornly passing our exams with flying colors in spite of our blatant disregard for their droll sermons, which we only mention to illustrate that, contrary to what seems to be the core belief of college professors everywhere, it actually is quite possible to cover the syllabus without having to subject yourself to hours of monotone chanting from a gray-whiskered old geezer.

Most of us can read quite well, you know.

But that isn’t the real point of the article either. That comes in the next paragraph:

Similar to the beliefs expressed by fundamentalist Christians, Muslim opponents to Darwinism maintain that Allah created the world, mankind and all known species in a single act.

And if subtle smears were a religion, somebody ought to build a temple to that paragraph. Where to begin?

How about “fundamentalist?” Let’s start out by acknowledging that fundamentalist is a bit of a naughty word in today’s world. It evokes images of wild-eyed hermits speaking in tongues and, of course, strapping on bombs and blowing oneself up in public. So when somebody calls you a “fundamentalist”, they’re most likely not trying to compliment you unless they have really poor manners or have lived under a rock for the past decade at least.

Moreover, are we to take it from the above that Christians who believe that the world, mankind and all known species were created by G-d in a single act are somehow “fundamentalist?”

Pardon us for being perhaps offensively direct about it, but that is pretty much exactly what it says in Genesis, one of the books in the Bible, said book being the one book you must believe in if you are to call yourself a Christian. You can’t just say “well, I’m a Christian and I believe in G-d and the Bible, except for those bits that I rather don’t like all that much.” That would make you a non-Christian or, as they’re sometimes also known, Episcopalian (Bible optional).

Yet for that we’re to be considered “fundamentalist?” Really now. What’s the point of using the “fundamentalist” word at all then, when a simple “Christian” or “not Christian” would do just as well?

Finally: So, according to the Mail Online, those muslims who believe the exact same thing are not to be considered “fundamentalist”, because we couldn’t help but notice the absence of that modifier where they are concerned.

So muslims don’t believe in evolution. Christians, excuse us, fundamentalist Christians (as opposed to those wonderfully open-minded Christians who really don’t believe in G-d) don’t believe in evolution, therefore muslims are the same as fundamentalist Christians.

A bit clumsily played there, but nice try.

Steve Jones emeritus professor of human genetics at university college London has questioned why such students would want to study biology at all when it obviously conflicts with their beliefs.

ALL of Biology conflicts with your beliefs unless you take every word that Darwin ever wrote as gospel? That’s odd, because we rather think that we understand Biology quite well and have learned how to put it to good use (and we have the vellum to prove it), yet we somehow don’t suffer under the impression that all of it is bunk because we don’t believe that Uncle Steve was originally a common earthworm who just happened to wake up one morning with opposable thumbs, a receding hairline, a beer belly and a tendency to grouse about what’s on TV these days.

You see, you can yank all of Darwin and evolution from the subject of Biology (not that you should, but you could) and it wouldn’t make one solitary iota of difference to what it teaches. Biology teaches us how life as we know it works. Darwinism claims to tell us how it came to be.

A slight difference that obviously went clear over the pointed head of professor Jones, which leaves us with further evidence that we really were quite right when we, in our youth, decided that “emeritus” means “senile old addle-brained geezer who falls asleep in his oatmeal a lot.”

‘They don’t come [to lectures] or they complain about it or they send notes or emails saying they shouldn’t have to learn this stuff.

‘What they object to – and I don’t really understand it, I am not religious – they object to the idea that there is a random process out there which is not directed by God.’

Alright. Fair’s fair. The good professor does acknowledge his own limitations there, stating that his lack of religion makes it hard for him to understand when he could as easily have launched into a mocking, deliberately insulting and vile, puerile diatribe of the sort that we’ve come to expect from the likes of Richard “The Dick” Dawkins.

He chose not to, and for that he deserves credit. We’d love to sit down and discuss it with you one day over several pints of fine ale, professor, you seem like a decent chap. Before we do so, however, in order to help us start off on the same page, look up the word “omnipotence.” It’s sort of at the center of the whole thing.

Earlier this year Usama Hasan, iman of the Masjid al-Tawhid mosque in Leyton, received death threats for suggesting that Darwinism and Islam might be compatible.

But remember that the article established earlier that there’s no difference whatsoever between “fundamentalist” Christians and the certainly not fundamentalist muslims.

Except that us “fundamentalist” Christians wouldn’t dream of sending death threats to anybody, not even Dicky Dawkins, for questioning our beliefs.

But other than that? EXACTLY the same.

Speaking of Dicky Dawkins:

Evolutionary Biologist and former Oxford Professor Richard Dawkins has expressed his concern at the number of students, consisting almost entirely of Muslims, who do not attend or walk out of lectures.

All of the other churches in Europe are running out of warm bodies in the seats, Dicky.

Why should yours be any different?

Thatisall.

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LC hilljohnny
LC hilljohnny

i am not sure how an understanding of evolution would enhance a doctors ability to practice medicine. i would rather they were taught to write legibly.

Shaitana
Shaitana

So muslims don’t believe in evolution. Christians, excuse us, fundamentalist Christians (as opposed to those wonderfully open-minded Christians who really don’t believe in G-d) don’t believe in evolution, therefore muslims are the same as fundamentalist Christians. So I am confused, does this mean that the liberals are now going to be nice and demand tolerance of Christian teachings? Or are… Read more »

Elephant Man
Elephant Man

Shaitana @ #: Let’s look at the Leftist template. Christians = White and oppressive so therefore they are bad Muslims = Little Brown People who are misunderstood and oppressed so therefore they are good. Let’s delve deeper. Christians: Very few, if any have a tendency to declare “Holy War” and lop lop off the heads of those who criticize them.… Read more »

LC Beaker, Imperial Photographer
LC Beaker, Imperial Photographer

I’ve never understood why evolution can’t simply be one of God’s methods of creation. I have no problem with evolution, and I don’t think it contradicts biblical accounts. The Bible is chocked full of the What and the Why of God’s actions. It is however, a little short on the How. Albert Einstein believed his lifelong chase to understand physics… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

As a somewhat related side note: I personally believe evolution and Biblical teachings are compatible. I mean, the order of creation is roughly the same as the order of evolution, so I take it that God created life, maybe not in a literal seven days, but in a period of time for which this is a metaphor. And evolution is… Read more »

LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole
LC Light29ID - The Imperial Asshole

As one who has watched the Lutheran Church (especially the Evangelical) devolve into a politically correct cesspool I would rather like to label myself a Traditional Christian vice a fundamentalist Christian. I did try and learn something in the two years of Confirmation classes. :em02:

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.

Elephant Man says:

Conclusion: Criticize and blame Christians because it’s safer.

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

irish19
irish19

I’m with Xealot and Beaker here. I remember when this came up in seventh grade. Sr. Mary Gertrude, an old school Sister of (no) Mercy told us that as long as we believed it was God who gave man a soul, there was no problem with believing in evolution. I think that works as well now as when she said… Read more »

M167A1
M167A1

Like some of the others here I see no basic incompatibility between having a faith and studying science. But at the risk of being reassigned to the Imperial Playroom as a training aid, I don’t see how anyone who rejects evolution; the basis for a biology can realistically be expected to study any of the life sciences. This is neither… Read more »

M167A1
M167A1

LC hilljohnny @ #: I hear ya on the writing, even with voice recognition and a spell checker most of the folks I work with are incomprehensible half the time. I do have to disagree with you about evolution and practicing medicine. I see this as more of a failure of rational thought. I don’t care what you believe but… Read more »

M167A1
M167A1

LC Xealot says: As a somewhat related side note: I personally believe evolution and Biblical teachings are compatible. I mean, the order of creation is roughly the same as the order of evolution, so I take it that God created life, maybe not in a literal seven days, but in a period of time for which this is a metaphor.… Read more »

LC Proud Infidel
LC Proud Infidel

If a Christian says that he or she is offended by something on a college campus, they’e immediately ridiculed and labeled as “intolerant bigots”. If a follower of the goat-molesting religion of carbombs says it’s offended, they shriek and apologize for being white and having a job while kissing their asses. As for these goat-and-camel-molesting fleabags, noone held a gun… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.

I’m yet one more who finds Evolutionary theory nad Chriistianity easily compatible.for reasons given by LC Beaker, LC Xealot, and other serious thinkers. I have more difficulty finding the compatibility between Christiainity and Main Stream Christian denominations. And total confusion with the compatibility of Atheism and Wicca.

Special Ed
Special Ed

Gotta weigh in on this! The whole deal with any God is that It is Omnipotent, right? Otherwise, it’s just some lesser being that has to compromise with other lesser beings on its Stuporcommitee to get anything worthwhile done. Couldn’t an Omnipotent God create a universe where evolution works, and furthermore, create it fully functioning as though it had originated… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

M167A1 says: Christianity, capitalism and nationalism seem to be regarded by the left as the principle threats to socialism. Islam for some reason didn’t make the list, largely I think because our leftist friends are as racist and provincial as they like to think those evil conservatives are. I think it is because Pisslam is very collectivist, as is Socialism,… Read more »

Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan
Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. says: I’m yet one more who finds Evolutionary theory nad Chriistianity easily compatible.for reasons given by LC Beaker, LC Xealot, and other serious thinkers. I have more difficulty finding the compatibility between Christiainity and Main Stream Christian denominations. And total confusion with the compatibility of Atheism and Wicca. Yep, I’ve yet to see any proper science… Read more »

LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge
LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge

Even a literal understanding of the Bible requires a certain amount of evolution, if you expect to believe that all animals alive today were descended from the number of specimens that would fit on Noah’s Ark.

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

Why is it so hard to accept that a God who could speak a universe into existence in the blink of an eye could not also speak all forms of life into existence in the blink of an eye?

For me, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does creation.

redc1c4
redc1c4

as someone who w*rks in the healthcare field when they can find a j*b, i don’t see how you can practice medicine without at least a nodding acquaintance with Mr. Darwin’s theory, or, more accurately, the evolved version we have today. used to be, just about any infection you presented with, we had antibiotics that would knock them flat and… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.

Even a literal understanding of the Bible requires a certain amount of evolution, if you expect to believe that all animals alive today were descended from the number of specimens that would fit on Noah’s Ark. That would be a tough job even with today’s technology if it only carried 1% of all species alive at the time. ‘Always wondered… Read more »

M167A1
M167A1

Emperor Misha I @ #: Thank you for honoring me with an Imperial response. Yes, one may become a mechanic without a thorough understanding of the workings of an internal combustion engine. However this is an inapt comparison, a mechanic has references and people they can draw on that do understand every detail of an engine. If you apply this… Read more »

LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge
LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says: ‘Always wondered where they managed to find some polar bears in that part of the world. Why would they need to have taken more than one kind of bear? — Also I fail to grasp the logic in conflating the general theory of evolution with the assertion that it explains the development of… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.

LC George, Apocryphal Prophet says:

Why must it follow that one who finds the assertion incredible must necessarily have a poor understanding of the theory?

‘Not sure why. ‘Could be that same old fear of losing one’s faith by learning too much, straying from scripture that artifacts conflict with.
Any theories?

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.

Why would they need to have taken more than one kind of bear?

If I were to tell you that some members of Ursus are more remote from other members, genetically, than humans from chimpanzee’s,, where would you look to fisk my statement?

LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge
LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech says: Why must it follow that one who finds the assertion incredible must necessarily have a poor understanding of the theory? ‘Not sure why. ‘Could be that same old fear of losing one’s faith by learning too much, straying from scripture that artifacts conflict with. Any theories? The correct answer was “It’s an utterly… Read more »

LC Xealot
LC Xealot

It’s an interesting issue for sure. As I believe evolution and Christianity are not mutually exclusive, this doesn’t cause any conflict for me. Yet… I can see where a Creationist would have trouble here. My thought is this: regardless of being true or not, Darwin’s theory is a major issue in the field of biology. So one should be studying… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

For those who say that evolution is a fact…after all, look at all the species that seem to have evolved…I ask…who’s to say that God did not create all those different forms? A God who can speak a universe into existence can certainly create all sorts and kinds of creatures. People say…oh, evolution takes billions of years. Well, depending on… Read more »

LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.
LC Aggie Sith, a goddess, only different, G.G.O.R.

Wherein a can of worms is opened unto us all, and I proclaim I do not like ketchup with my steak!

M167A1
M167A1

LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #: Hey there, I’m a historian by training (would you like to try the combo meal?) and a technical instructor in real life. So I’ll risk death by carpal tunnel and do the best I can to lay it out as I understand it. First of all fact, and theory and hypothesis seem to be… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

M167A1 says: Now that we have a hypothesis we need to test it. So we get all the information we can on the subject, from whatever source, paleontology, genetics, geology whatever we can test and measure. You mean like when I was being taught evolution…someone found a bone and tested it. It was found to be umpteen bazillion years old.… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R

Theory and hypothesis can be a matter of semantics, depending on whose definition you’re using. Dictionary.com presents them as synonyms.

M167A1
M167A1

LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. @ #: Hi Again GC, Thanks for the conversation, If this is something you are really passionate about then I might recommend some additional reading. I am something of an omnivore when it comes to reading but I do have some recommendations if you are interested. I hate it some soup sandwich posts a “read this,… Read more »

M167A1
M167A1

LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says: Theory and hypothesis can be a matter of semantics, depending on whose definition you’re using. Dictionary.com presents them as synonyms. A theory has been extensively tested and is generally accepted, while a hypothesis is a speculative guess that has yet to be tested. This is the definition from my old archaeology textbook and the basis… Read more »

LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge
LC Dread Pirate Geoarrge

The bottom line is that there are certain stubborn facts which so far have not been adequately explained without invoking the action of a being which is at least intelligent enough to create life and transcends at least the constraints of our perceivable universe, and who is thus, by any practical definition of the word, a god. The principal facts… Read more »