Is There Some Vital Nuance We’re Missing Here?

You know, with this whole Egypt thing that we’ve kind of sort of following out of the corner of our Imperial Eye.

We mean, we know we’re far too simplisme (for the likes of Jacques ChIRAQ anyway) and that we lack the vital nuancing skills that seem to mean “whatever you do, make sure it doesn’t make an actual difference”, but it seems quite simple to us.

Correct us if we’re wrong. The Muslim Brotherhood are staging violent riots, uprising and revolts because they don’t much like this whole civilization thing with all of its indoor plumbing, bans on raping your first cousins etc. For those who’ve been sleeping in class, the Muslim Brotherhood are among the Original Bad Guys™, the proto-pisslamofascists that got the whole “back to the middle ages” ball running among the followers of Muhammed the Pedo-Prophet.

The one they’re trying to oust, so they can bring Egypt back to the lovely days of savagery that other highly successful nations such as Afghanistan and the Sudan are currently enjoying, is Hosni Mubarak who, granted, isn’t high on our Christmas Card list but who does have the whole “Not a Barbaric, Savage, Pisslamofascist Cave-Dweller” going for him.

So, really, where’s the holdup? No, Hosni isn’t exactly a paragon of democracy but, hey, at the risk of repeating ourself, he’s also not likely to be an active backer of plots to set off nukes in Lower Manhattan.

Yes, we also know that he hasn’t been near as hard on the pisslamofascists in his country as we’d like, he’s been straddling the fence trying to avoid pissing off anybody by pissing off everybody, and look how that’s working out for him.

So, once again: Why is this so far beyond anybody’s ken to figure out a proper response to, because we’re not seeing it.

We send in the guys with the big spanking sticks, help Mubarak eradicate the Muslim Brotherhood and their buddies and then, once the dust has settled, we’ve reinstalled one of our puppets safely, we’ve gotten rid of a shitload of subhumans who should have been gotten rid of a long time ago AND we can place a note with “YOU OWE US FUCKING BIG TIME, HOSNI-BABY!” on his desk.

Downsides? We mean, other than the usual “child-murdering, fanatic, savage pisslamic subhumans are people too and we mustn’t hurt their feelings or their ‘rights'”, because that one you might as well not bother committing to type.

Discuss.

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LC Ogrrre - Imperial Heartless Bastard
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Yer Majesty, you talk as though splodeydopes setting off a nuke in Lower Manhattan would be a bad thing. Did you think that through? It has several good points going for it, to wit: it will get rid of a shit load of liberals, it will get rid of a shit load of damn yankees, and it could possible wake up the left over liberals to the danger that is Pislamofascism … unless they do their knee-jerk “blame it on BushCheneyPalinRove thing.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
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what I think we’re seeing here is the total entrapment of Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood and Iran are making their move, doing it by making a grab at Egypt….Jordan….Lebanon….thus completely surrounding Israel. They know that obama won’t do anything to stop them, nor will he commit to defending Israel…..their timing couldn’t be better.

” rel=”nofollow”>Here’s a little map I whipped together to make my point more graphically

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
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crap…..nothing like typing the damned link incorrectly….

” rel=”nofollow”>here it is again

LC Ogrrre - Imperial Heartless Bastard
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9/11 didn’t seem to do much of that, as I recall.

Sure it did, for about 20 seconds, then they hit the snooze alarm. But, if the hirabis actually destroyed The New York Times, and the main offices of the Left Stream Media, they might stay awake for a little while longer this time.

LC Old Dog
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Sire, I bend my head in despair. It is clear that you have missed “The Narrative”, we must never say anything that might even upset in any manner a Muslim person.

You know like what we should be saying like. Wahabism Delinda Est!

The Copts are the original Egyptians who built the Pyramids, the Arabs Muslims are ******g Invaders.

Never forget Saladin the great Muslim General was a KURD!

LC Xystus
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Last I heard, the Botherhood came late to the party. They complicate things, but evicting the superannuated Maximum Leader & his flunkies could turn into an improvement. The whole flap would still have occurred without the Long-Bearded Clowns, & they may yet remain outside any new regime (or new version of the old, military-dominated order).

LC PrimEviL
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LC PrimEviL

Any bets on how long it will take for the MSM to blame Bush? er. . .wait. . . They already did.

LC PrimEviL
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LC PrimEviL

Predictably, Obumbles makes it about himself. When I was in Cairo shortly after I was elected president, I said….[snip] Gee, he only got three “I’s” in thirteen words. But first, he supports the rioters: So I want to be very clear in calling upon the Egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters. The people of Egypt have rights that are universal. That includes the right to peaceful assembly and association, the right to free speech, and the ability to determine their own destiny. These are human rights. And the United States will stand up for them everywhere.… Read more »

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)

A good number of us make note of the similarities between Obonzo’s administration and the Now Second Worst President in the History of the US, Dhimmi Cardigan … does anyone else see some remarkable similarities between what’s happening now in Egypt (and Odumbo’s lack of decisive response) and what went down in Iran during Carter’s failed presidency? Will Egypt become the next Mullahtocracy?

Sir Fresh Sign
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Sir Fresh Sign

one nuance i cannot fathom is El Baradei, who is siding with the streets, yet he is held up as an OBJECTIVE player in the Nuclear Non Proliferation IAEA world, as it pertains to Iran?! I just don’t get it… if this is his position, how can we look back at his statements of the past and take them seriously?

Sir Fresh Sign
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Sir Fresh Sign

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Dozens-dead-as-thousands-escape-Egypt-prisons/Article1-656494.aspx

Great, a bunch of Palestinian prisoners escaped from egyptian prison and have made their way back to Gaza.

LC PrimEviL
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LC PrimEviL

Worse, It seems some of the top dogs of the Muslim Brotherhood got to take a walk, as well. This definitely is not going well.

Azygos
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First thing I noticed was that Ogabe sided with the protesters.

LC TerribleTroy
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LC TerribleTroy

Hey, I have a idea… how about we develop and use our own fucking oil! That way we don’t really have to give a fuck what happens in the Mid East ( with the exception of Israel (who can handle themselves pretty well already). I am sick and fucking tired of having to be “concerned” about what the the humans in this region are up to because of our dependency on a resource that we already have, yet refuse to use. Outside of that, the only thing I would be willing to advocate regarding US involvement would be in the… Read more »

LC Guy S
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Posted on this yesterday. And have to agree with the comments above. This does remind me of the same fumblefucked … err … dimwitted shortsighted asshatery advanced by Billy Carter’s dumber brother. A lot of us military types wondered when we were going to take action to support the Shaw, then we wondered what steps we would take to get our people back. I am ashamed to admit Carter was in my Navy (and the nuke end of things at that). Just goes to show you may have the book smarts, but that counts for nothing if you do not… Read more »

Sir Fresh Sign
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Sir Fresh Sign

does this mean we can stop sending millions of taxpayer dollars to this shithole?

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
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Just read an interesting post over at Pajamas Media that puts a different light on this whole thing. I won’t quote but will copy and paste it with a link to the post: here is a fourth possibility. The mass uprisings lead to a democratic government and an open media, and the Islamists, (including the schmucks who blame Israel and the USA for all the troubles in the world), are shown for the professional “grievance lobby” that they are. It took a shipmate of mine to remark that these protests to bring down tyrants and dictators is EXACTLY what George… Read more »

LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An
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There are some important points to consider here. #7 LC Xystus Last I heard, the Botherhood came late to the party. They complicate things, but evicting the superannuated Maximum Leader & his flunkies could turn into an improvement. The whole flap would still have occurred without the Long-Bearded Clowns, & they may yet remain outside any new regime (or new version of the old, military-dominated order). When they came to the party is of less importance than the fact that they have joined in. The Muslim Brotherhood is everything that His Majesty said, and more. They have been operating underground… Read more »

LC Beaker, Imperial Photographer
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BigDogg says:

A good number of us make note of the similarities between Obonzo’s administration and the Now Second Worst President in the History of the US, Dhimmi Cardigan … does anyone else see some remarkable similarities between what’s happening now in Egypt (and Odumbo’s lack of decisive response) and what went down in Iran during Carter’s failed presidency? Will Egypt become the next Mullahtocracy?

Actually, I think it’s more like February, 1941 all over again.

LC Beaker, Imperial Photographer
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@ Jaybear:

I too thought about the Bush strategy to plant the seeds of Democracy in the Middle East to ultimately win the war against militant Islam. I hope this is what we are seeing. Unfortunately, I also fear the law of unintended consequences which could result in popular uprisings (which we wanted) that result in the Muslims voting for hard line militant rulers (like Hamas in Gaza).

I have a feeling we’re going to know in about six months time.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
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LC Beaker, Imperial Photographer says:

I have a feeling we’re going to know in about six months time.

Looks like it’s gonna be a lot sooner than that

president bobblehead….through his cowardice and inaction…..is complicit in the spawning of another hardline islamic state……how glorious for the world

Tallulah
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Tallulah

Check this out: Trump was interviewed by Newsmax about the Middle East mess, and he has some scathing things to say about our current crop of “leaders”:

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-opec-oil-egypt/2011/01/30/id/384427?s=al&promo_code=B91B-1

And he also has interesting anecdotal (international businessman-type access) accounts of what the foreign businessmen and politicos REALLY think about the US and our “leadership.”

Tallulah
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Tallulah

Here are some tidbits: Trump: Mideast Explosion Could Destroy OPEC, Lower Oil Prices Sunday, 30 Jan 2011 04:43 PM By Jim Meyers and Kathleen Walter Donald Trump is mad as hell — and he’s letting everybody know it. In a wide-ranging exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV on Friday, the billionaire real estate mogul and reality TV star lashes out at China, OPEC, Obama’s Middle East dealings, the president’s State of the Union address and more. Trump takes aim at America’s “horrible” trade agreements, declares that the Middle East is going to explode, warns about “catastrophic” oil prices, and charges that Obama’s… Read more »

LC Getalis, Imperial Czar of Pharmacology
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LC Guy S says: So now Jimmah Carter’s “secret bastard child” (Hey the progressives start rumors about our guys all the time. Turn about is fair play. Carter is certainly old enough to have fathered Obambi, and they seem to have much the same mental outlook on things, specifically foreign policy, so why not?) sits in the oval office, and we have the beginnings of deja-vue all over again. Or… he’s the lovechild of Bush 41, and *that’s* why Obongo Bush 44’s birth certificate must never see the light of day. (Both parties would have a vested interest in keeping… Read more »

AyUaxe
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Sorry to say, Your Rottieness, but I do think on this one, you are being too simplistic and not giving the working class of Egypt and the educated youth their due. This is not the ululating Arab street–these are people more like us, than most in the ME. Most of what I’ve been able to glean from news and internet postings that have gotten out of Egypt is that the MB aren’t at all involved in the demonstrations against Mubarak and his “police” thugs. To the extent that MB has shown up at all, it is a side show to… Read more »

Imperial Grammar Hun, G.L.O.R
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Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery says: president bobblehead….through his cowardice and inaction…..is complicit in the spawning of another hardline islamic state……how glorious for the world But, Jay…how can this be? We were assured by DJ, the MSM, and 52% of our voting public that he would walk on water, the crippled would rise up and walk (I mean…just look at Gabrielle Giffords), and the oceans would cease to rise. We were told just by his being, he would heal the world. Just his mere presence is enough to create miracles. He’s nothing more than a fratboy president. He’s voting… Read more »

AyUaxe
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Emperor Misha I says: What matters is who will have the power, organization and will to step in and scoop up the loot once the dust settles, and currently the Mooselimb Brotherhood are playing it just right if that’s what they’re planning, keeping a low profile while their enemies wear each other out. We just aren’t in a position where we can afford to be wrong anymore and, as they say: “Better safe than sorry.” Or my variation on the theme: “I’d rather be sorry and safe than just fucking sorry.” No real disagreement on these points. This is a… Read more »

Jerry
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Jerry

Off topic, but here we go again. :em41:

LC TerribleTroy
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LC TerribleTroy

Watched the talking heads for a moment this evening. On Matthews show the pundit was declaring that the MB “hated” AQ and that they had put aside all their radical islamist behavior inorder to enter mainstream politics. On Fox, Krauthamer (sp?) stated that anyone that thought the MB would not adopt radical islamist behavior was unrealistically optimistic. Ultimately I think the US position in Egypt is fucked. Its a damned if you do damned if you don’t scenario. If we “back” Mubarack in a “orderly transition” we will be seen as supporting the bad guy. If we just sit back,… Read more »

LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E.
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All of this has a haunting familiarity to this old geezer; even the excuses ana alibis sound like 1978-79. In the early staes of that democratic venture, there was no sign and little evidence of Islamofascist involvement. Hell. Our own UN Representative, the sainted Andy Young assured us that this Khomeini fellow was a sort of saint. el Baradei has a long history of flacking for the Iranian nuclear programs, running interference and buggering inspections. Turning to the Muslim Brotherhood, they were founded in 1928 by Sayyid Qutb, who became a declared admirer of der Fuhrer. He and his party… Read more »

AyUaxe
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Egypt doesn’t look as much like Iran 78-79 as might seem from network news footage. Pisslamic radicals were at the core of organizing the Iranian rebellion from the earliest times. That does not seem to be the case in Egypt. However, there is a real risk, as His Rottieness and Lord Pao An have learnedly noted above, that MB will use it’s existing organizational framework and its religious connections to coopt an otherwise secular, economic and social liberty revolution. If the U.S. (not the pRez or DoS–they’ll only F it up–leave this to CIA and military) will push Mubarak to… Read more »

Lady H
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If Obama refuses to help Israel, should radical Islam surround it, would the Israeli armed forces accept Gentiles? (Looking at the threat the Muslim Brotherhood made towards Israel today.)