The Case For Sarah

I’ve been thinking about this for some time and a few conversations with a friend pushed me to a painful conclusion.

Sarah Palin cannot win the presidency in 2012.

Let me categorically state with NO reservations whatsoever, that she would make a fine, competent and honest president. I would love to see her win and think it would be good for the country if she could, but not today.

Face it, the left and it’s media allies have done the job of destroying her well. I really don’t want to be pessimistic about this, but it is nonetheless the truth. This ruthless, vile tactic hasn’t shaken our view of her, if nothing else it’s made us see her favorably by her bold, forceful responses to the attacks. No wimp that one. The problem lies in the fiddy-twoers. I don’t generally take a lot of stock in polling, but it’s across the board that her “unfavorable” ratings have increased with no signs of improvement. That obviously consists of the leftist drones (that would vote for anybody with the right pedigree) and the group consisting of the remaining 52’rs that still haven’t awaken to the fact that “politics” are an inescapable part of their lives now. The Short Attention Span™ bunch of so-called independents are the ones to look at here. The idiots that literally make-up their minds in the voting booth, easily swayed by sound-bites and ‘political tactics for dummies’. This is the very heart of the problem, and we still haven’t learned to educate and motivate this significant group, an Augean task at the least, but a problem must make every effort to fix. This group by their very nature, make the leftist tactics effective. A simple message ( and forget it’s veracity) condensed into a quick little phrase and badda-bing they remember it well enough to effect their viewpoint long enough to be dangerous. The classic “October Surprise” is totally dependent on this demonstrable fact. The Tuscon massacre after effect proves this beyond doubt. The left attacks Sarah with baseless allegations, she responded and they attacked her for responding. That group is spun into thinking that Palin was ‘small’ throughout. This was effective because the attacks came from multiple sources, and their focus largely centered around Sarah. Beck, O’Reilly and Limbaugh came under attack as well, but their real focus was on Palin. The gambit “diluted” their appearance of being guilty of libelous, vile behavior and instead, carried Sarah into it with negative consequences for her. We desperately need to break this chain of ignorance. The Tea Party movement seems to be working well, educating and waking up some to the dangers of out of control government, but it’s not enough or fast enough to help us in 2012. There isn’t a way that I can think of to accelerate educating our brethren, hell we can’t even get them away from coming out of their brain-washed mental prisons to even see what’s going on, let alone taking time to learn more. It’s the endless dilemma of the Conservative Movement, that our ideology cannot be explained in single-syllable words.

Regardless of what we may be able to accomplish in the next year, it’s too late for Sarah this go-round. We can’t make her a winner on the big-ticket, BUT she can and will be the Kingmaker. Sarah Palin could best serve her Tea Party Conservative friends, by preventing what seems to be almost inevitable, the republican establishment foisting Romney (or another equally bad candidate) on us. In fact, this role may be the best for her at this point in time. We can and must have someone that isn’t afraid to forcefully (uh..oh…can I use that word?) defend our visions to save this country and keep the DC repubeicans from giving us a McCain lite candidate. It sickens me to see the polls and straw-votes with Romney in the lead. Of course, they are push-polls and no doubt, conducted in selected target (shit, can’t say that either) areas to spin the results their way, don’t ever accuse the RNC of honesty ya’ know?

We the people… do.not.want.a.rotten. worthless. dickweed. RINO. like. Romney. as. our. candidate. in. 2012. the. end.

RNC to us: “Here’s a shit sandwich, we know that’s what you want, so be good little peons and eat it, then tell all your friends how tasty it was.

Us to them: FUCK YOU and your dog.

It’s tough to see and accept the hand-writing on the wall. We spend precious time and effort to push Sarah onto the ticket, yet we’ll have no backing by the ignoramus Fiddy-Twoers still sleeping, the media and worst of all the establishment, and that would set up conditions for Romney, et al to percolate onto the ticket. We must keep in mind that the beltway rethugs crowd is as hateful towards Palin as the left, and will be just a ruthless as well. They want the daddy warbucks funding from their compatriots that might not come if an outsider from Alaska upsets the deal.

I propose we let Sarah run the interference for us with the media and the republican establishment types, be a King-Maker, so we can get someone who can beat Odumbo in the general. Someone with a bit of name recognition (just to eliminate the “Who is that?” factor), yet with no baggage (manufactured by the left) or otherwise, that has a chance to win over the independent morons, would do nicely.

I am NOT advocating yet another “hold your nose and pull” presidential election cycle, nor am I moving away from a sincere desire to hold strongly to personal principles by accepting the unacceptable (but electable) candidate.

Thoughts anyone?

Carry On…

66 comments

  1. 1
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Face it, the left and it’s media allies have done the job of destroying her well.

    Not just them. I think Newt and Morris are squarely against her, as well. And don’t forget McAmnesty throwing her under the bus after he lost (he never DID figure out that she was the reason he did as well as he did).

    I think Romney would be a good choice to get our economy back on track…he certainly understands business, but he’s a bit too…stiff…for me. Rudy would be good, but he’s too moderate for my taste. I would like to see Rubio, or Jindal, but it’s too soon for Rubio.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Grammar Czar says:

    Jindal, but it’s too soon for Rubio.

    Absolutely two good picks. Jindal will NOT be running in this one, he promised Louisiana to stay for two terms to fix that swamp and he’s doing an incredible job of it. He’ll be a shoo-in for his 2nd term. Marco Rubio is another candidate that should be a prime contender some day. He’ll need some seasoning there and perhaps getting some exec experience in the governor’s mansion to fill out his card. He’s on probation for now, but damn I saw the boy on election night and thought to myself that’s presidential material too.

    Romney is an absolute non-starter. He’s yet another New England Republican, that will drop-trou as soon as he gets in office to reach across without a promise of a reach-around.

    He’s unrepentant about RomneyCare that is bankrupting Massachusetts at a furious rate. The establishment is hoping time has burnished that policy fiasco into us forgetting about it, we AREN’T !! He has the business creds for sure, but his ideology is hardly conservative.

    I’ll never forgive McTraitor, Newt, Rove and Morris, et al for what they’ve done and continue to do to Sarah. It’s unconscionable, dishonest and mean-spirited of those smarmy bastards.

    Yet another reason for me to despise McCain.

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    Iacobus growls and barks:

    Know what?

    I don’t give a shit anymore. I’ll vote for Palin even if she isn’t on the ticket. You know why? Because all of you know deep in your hearts we aren’t going to get a Republican the likes of Reagan. Ever. That ship sailed long ago. The two major parties are now Democrat and Democrat Lite, pandering to the lowest common denominator to get a vote rather than doing the right thing. It’s the reason why I registered as Independent.

    If people are too fucking stupid (which a lot of them are, sorry to say) to not see through the smoke and mirrors liberals put up about people like Palin, then fuck them too. They can bleat all they want and vote for incompetent morons who don’t know what the fuck they’re doing (e.g., Obama). The rest of us will get shit done and not care what the rest of the bleeding hearts think.

    That’s the way it should be; rather than caring what any fucking window-licker thinks about appearances, nobody should be voting for a candidate because they look fucking pretty or speak like royalty; they should be voting for a candidate because they should be getting the fucking job done. Period.

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    I think it’s going to be a shit sandwich no matter whom the GOP puts forth. They haven’t learned their lessons last November, and we’ll wind up with the same establishment bullshit candidate.

    That said, do I think Palin is the right presidential candidate. No. Fucking. Way. This is a woman, who claimed that abortion is the most important issue America faces today. Are you kidding? Our deficit is nearly 10 percent of GDP. Our debt is 93 percent of GDP. We’re embroiled in a war in Afghanistan propping up unprecedented corruption. But abortion is somehow the most important issue we face? Fucking really?

    She talks in platitudes, but offers nothing concrete. Yes, our deficits and debts are out of control, but she had no problem supporting Bush’s stimulus.

    She wants Georgia and Ukraine in NATO. Are you fucking kidding me??? As if Greece, the Balts and a shit ton of other nations who don’t pull their weight in NATO aren’t a drain already!

    While I disagree with setting a concrete withdrawal date for Afghanistan, it’s not about sending the wrong message to the Taliban! It’s about economics. The majority of our allies – even the Brits – can no longer afford this deployment. We need to stop spending money on nationbuilding a corrupt nation and start spending money on blowing shit up over there. But she talks in pretty pictures about the sending a message to the Taliban that they can simply outlast us. Ugh.

    She doesn’t seem to understand that throwing more money at the DoD is not the problem. She’s so adamantly opposed to cutting defense, she doesn’t get that we don’t really need to increase the defense budget. We already spend between four and six percent of GDP on defense. We need to get rid of waste and streamline. We need to stop building up our bureaucracy. I work for the DoD. Every goddamn day I get an email informing us of yet another SES assignment! They’ve created another layer of bureaucracy between the National Intelligence Council and the rest of the IC for no reason, but that’s a shit ton of SESs and their staffs that we will have to fund.

    She talks about debts in deficits in empty platitudes. Is she willing to cut entitlements? No, they’re a sacred cow.

    How would she handle Afghanistan? No one knows. She doesn’t know. We got a surge. We got Petraeus, who I personally think is the one general who can win this war. What would she direct him to do as C-in-C?

    She’s pretty. She’s good at marketing herself. But she’s another empty talking head to me with absolutely no substance. *shrug*

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Mike M growls and barks:

    Face it, the left and it’s media allies have done the job of destroying her well.

    True enough. On any given day, it seems, I’m greeted by some kind of anti-Palin screed on Comcast’s home page. Here’s today’s offering…

    Did Sarah Palin Disrespect the Stars and Stripes?

    Big deal, you say? Actually, yeah. The U.S. Flag code was passed by Congress nearly 70 years ago to provide exact rules for the use and display of the Stars and Stripes.

    And don’t think for a minute that they’re bothered by the fact they go on and contradict their own premise by citing a portion of the Flag Code that clearly speaks only to how the flag should be displayed “in a church or public auditorium”, not in one’s own home. It’s enough that they get the slur out there.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Response to Grammar Czar @:

    With regards to Romney, allow me one word.

    ROMNEYCARE!

    This was the prototype for Obamacare and is a complete disaster. Romney will say he was out voted, but so what? If he had flat out vetoed that POS, he would have credibility. Mope, he has none and should go stand in the corner with the rest of the RINO rejects.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Don’t want Newt, Huckabee is a non-starter, McCain has had his shot and lost, Romney is full of it, Rubio is not ready yet.

    No Rudy, please, or RINOS, or DIABLOS.

    So who do we have left?

    Jindal would be a good choice, if he chooses to run.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The media is going to try and make this next election about personality since jugears’ performance as Commander in Chief has been abysmal and a horrible failure.

    The best and most sure way to beat jugears is to clobber him on his record and failed policies. Unfortunately, the ‘publican establishment won’t do that. :em72:

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Response to lc purple raider @:
    Well, The Donald may be running, and there’s a possibility that Herman Cain may, too. Both of them know finance, for sure.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    I’ve never been a “fan” of Palin, I agree with Nicki just too many platitudes. This is not to say I’m not a admirer. I think Jackboots classification of King maker is on target. Romney reminds me John Kerry & John Edwards, just a slimy plastic politician. Newt & Huckabee? Give me a fucking break. The Republicans need a personality that is no bullshit like a Christie. I want a no nonsense, no platitudes, no passive responses, standup kinda guy / gal. I think that the Republicans have to “factor” the “independent” vote to a greater degree than the Progs due to the fact that many Tea Party people are former republicans, or at the very least lean heavily conservative. Hopefully the idea that the political spectrum has changed will not escape them.

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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    Probably too soon for Alan West, sigh…

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC TerribleTroy says:

    Hopefully the idea that the political spectrum has changed will not escape them.

    Troy– That’s a spot-on observation. The rude fact is the establishment has NOT twigged to that fact and others. They’re just as out-of-touch as the dems in fact. If they had any sense their move would be to co-opt the Tea Party movement instead of alternately ignoring it or attacking it outright. The Tea Party needs the logistical organization the party has, and I’d hazard the fund-raising capabilities (I’m still talking logistics here) as well. The party on the other hand desperately needs the Tea Party’s ability to communicate their ideas to the masses, in a way that resonates. This ability has attracted the moderate dems to it’s ranks. We risk alienating them when it comes to the general election, if the fight between this side of the fence continues. They’ll rightly feel that since our message is muddled with internecine bickering, we aren’t being honest. The absolute must for 2012 is to take a strong unified front, condensed the message into a few simple words or phrases and present someone that has a forthright personality. We cannot afford a McCain type that comes across as insincere or unable to make up his mind. Another reason McRomney is quite out.

    Library Czar says:

    Probably too soon for Alan West, sigh…

    Another outstanding up and coming young lion, but one on the bench for now.

    IMO all of the new faces have to prove themselves. I’m too damned gun-shy to give anyone of them my own endorsement yet.

    I think we all had hopes for Christie but he managed to completely flush himself already. Tis’ best he did it now than after we spent any effort backing him later. I don’t think it’s possible to shit on the conservative base more than he did in a matter of days. What an asshole…..

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A says:

    LC TerribleTroy says:
    I think we all had hopes for Christie but he managed to completely flush himself already. Tis’ best he did it now than after we spent any effort backing him later. I don’t think it’s possible to shit on the conservative base more than he did in a matter of days. What an asshole…..

    what did he do?

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    Madam President growls and barks:

    I ABSOLUTELY agree with every single word of your post! I like Palin, but I actually fear the possibility of having her as our nominee just as much as I fear having a shameless, limp-wristed, back stabbing RINO like McShame (“Obama and Hilary would make good presidents!” “Obama is a patriot.” Give me a fucking break, you traitorous pig).

    The only viable conservative out there that would indeed have my full support (if he runs, that is) is Herman Cain.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    LC Roguetek says:

    what did he do?

    Seems Christie is a global-wormening believer, pro-environment type, soft on illegal immigration and all for pandering to Islam. Additionally, he’s refused to have New Jersey join the class action suit against ObamaCare with the other states. Taken as the whole, he’s looking more and more like a squishy Northeast proto-conservative type, bordering on the RINO side. Tom Marr covering for The Great One the other night really exposed him.

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    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    Let us assume that you rule out Sarah Palin. What do you have left?

    Huckabee– All the worst instincts of the pseudo-religious huckster, a faith that evil people will somehow become good if enough second chances are given to them [and denying responsibility for the evil that results from his decisions], and a belief in the essential good of raising taxes and government control.

    Romney– aside from the NE RINO/DIABLO matter; he is unrepentant about Romneycare and will not touch Obamacare. From the point of view of Massachusetts, he is a conservative Republican, ,maybe. But then again, from the point of view of Massachusetts anyone more conservative than Teddy Kennedy is a conservative Republican.

    Both of these would have the unequivocal support of the Institutional Republican party; which regards conservatives and TEA Party supporters as their enemy and the Democrats as their natural partners in governance. That is not an acceptable c.v for a candidate I would support.

    And both of these would lose most if not all of the Conservatives and TEA Party supporters. If you want the Republicans to collapse like the Whigs, force the nomination of either of these two. While that may be acceptable in the long term if the split happens early this year so that there is a chance to organize for 2012, it is not really the best possible situation. Getting the Institutional Republicans to either dissolve or more likely cross the aisle and formally join the Democrats that they are so eager to collaborate with, will clear the field but not necessarily make victory in 2012 possible.

    West– too new, and not interested.

    Jindal– perhaps too new, and in any case has given his word to Louisiana. He is not interested.

    Christie– not only not interested, but while he is a fiscal conservative and deserves absolute credit for fighting the good fight most successfully in New Jersey, he is fatally weak on the Second Amendment, I have heard [and I would gladly retract this part if shown otherwise] that he is pro-DREAM ACT/Amnesty. He has not made any statements I know of on the economy, energy, or foreign affairs.

    That is the top tier of candidates remaining. And West is added mostly because of military record and force of personality. We are almost sure to have the nominee come out of that group, if Sarah Palin is banned.

    Second Tier

    Rubio– unproven, untested in all but an election in Florida. And no interest indicated. Wait till we see how he acts in the coming session.

    Herman Cain– he is in this tier because he has had the balls to put himself out there. But he has no real constituency or organization.

    Mike Pence, Tim Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels- may be competent, however none of them seem to have the ability to excite people any more than McCain, and perhaps less. And if you are going to run, y’all better be pulling together a team by now. There is no sign I have seen of them doing so, but I may have missed something.

    Fantasy Tier

    John Bolton, Newt Gingrich, Haley Barbour – There is some talk, but nothing serious. Bolton has some charisma and could draw Conservatives, but he has no stand that I know of on the economy, Obamacare, amnesty, or taxes. He may have made them, but they have not gotten out. He scares the wee-wee out of Democrats, Jihadi’s and the Republican establishment. That is not a bad thing. But if he runs, he as yet does not seem to have a strong enough base to resist all three. Newt is a lost cause. His personal life is a shambles, he sucked up to Nancy Pelosi, and is a poster-boy for the Institutional Republicans attempts to get-along, go-along with the Democrats since he left office. Anyone remember Scozzifava? Conservatives and the TEA Party does. Haley Barbour has made it a cause of his to attack TEA Party supported candidates and Sarah Palin in particular. Yep, that is going to cause the primary force driving any of the Republican Party’s successes to rally around him.m In his dreams.

    Sarah Palin has choices. I do not not know if she intends to run for President. She may [I think she will, but do not know] or she may not. If she is forced out by some Institutional Republican manouvering against her will, you will see the Republican party reduced to third party status right smartly. If she decides not to run herself; she may or may not decide to be involved further. After what she has endured so far, she may decide she is done. If she decides to stay in politics, she may or may not decide to be …. Kingmaker. After all, she could well decide to focus her involvement on the Congress and state and local offices.

    So, let us say that she decides to be …. “Kingmaker”.

    Given the list of candidates so far available, with the possible exception of COL West, how does the effort to secure the nomination of any of the top tier stop and roll back the combined Obama/Institutional Republican agenda? How does this do anything but risk putting the Republican/Conservative/TEA Party label on the continued destruction of the Republic if Huckabee or Romney get the nomination and wins, or leave Obama in power if they lose or one of the others gets the nomination and loses? Where is the upside for either her or the Patriot Movement?

    I propose we let Sarah run the interference for us with the media and the republican establishment types, be a King-Maker, so we can get someone who can beat Odumbo in the general. Someone with a bit of name recognition (just to eliminate the “Who is that?” factor), yet with no baggage (manufactured by the left) or otherwise, that has a chance to win over the independent morons, would do nicely.

    I keep hearing this, but where is this mythical person. Presidential politics starts two years before the election. Unless it is someone chosen in a back room. In which case they can have an encounter with a razor wire wrapped dildo; because I have had that shit sandwich before. If they have any name recognition, we would have heard of them. There is no one without baggage, because ANYONE nominated against Buraq Hussein is going to have it manufactured, if they don’t have their own. And once again, who is this person who can win over the independent morons without causing the base to go third party. [We are past staying home, the Republican Party is in the midst of a quiet knife in the shadows over who is in control.] We have tried to find a nice, moderate time and time again [“Maverick” McCain comes to mind], and look what it has gotten us.

    You go to war with the army you have, not the one that you hope to appear magically. I support, and will support Sarah if she runs, unless another candidate comes up through the primary battle who can be a better vehicle for the Patriot Movement. The thing is, that candidate better make themselves known bloody soon.

    Anyone who runs is going to have the entire MFM and the coercive organs of the State going after them. There is going to be no one who is not going to have to take the heat. Leaving aside the fact that so far Sarah has stood more heat than any other private person [remember, she is not a candidate or elected official right now] for two years; no one who is afraid to stick their head out of the foxhole is going to win. Doing like Romney, and not endorsing until after the election is over just ain’t gonna cut it. The battle is on within the Republican party as of the swearing in of the new Congress. How the Republicans act, and how the TEA Party Patriots within the Republican party act are part of the battle. If the putative Mahdi candidate/nominee cannot take the heat of a REPUBLICAN Primary, or even the run up to it, and has not given a hint of their existence by now; then they are going to end up making McCain look like the campaign version of the Incredible-freaking-Hulk in 2012.

    Sarah Palin may not be the perfect candidate. She would have to fight her way uphill against the media and the State. But so will anyone else nominated. Right now, she is the only one I can see that will motivate the Conservative base and the TEA Party. Pre-emptively dismissing her in favor of an un-named draft choice to be disclosed later … maybe does not strike me as effective resistance to the enemy [of both parties].

    I am willing to listen to others [except for the Institutional Republicans who are the enemy as much as the Democrats]. I am willing to be convinced, if such convincing is in fact more than than a repeat of the Shit Sandwich mandatory Blue Plate Special. I am not willing to not let Sarah Palin have the same chance to try to convince Republicans, and the country, that we give all the rest of the field, if she should choose to run. Or for that matter to not let her decide not to run, and what her role will be in the aftermath of that if it should occur.

    No matter how this turns out, Remember the OATH.

    Now, it seems that the preview button has gone awa’ wi’ t’ cyber- fairies again, so I apologize for any mis-spelling, grammatical clusters, or bad formatting.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

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    LC Sir Rurik, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    I agree with everything you’ve all said so far. And Nicki, Troy, and Jackboot, you’ve given me some very good things to think about with Our Lady of the Moose. Enough to require a modification f former opinion. Kingmaker would still be an important and honorable role. Vital even. As for the others, I’ll confine myself to a couple of drive-by swipes, that We do not need another huckster, and I do not want to see anyone Newter the GOP Elephant.
    Two more riasing starts nobody mentioned are from my neighborhood. There is the Good Michelle Bachman, and John Thune. Arguably, neither is yet ready. But then, few great political leaders are ever ready when their call comes, but they rise to the occasion. I know Thune and had occasion back in Novembre 2009 for some extended personal discussion with him. He is even more impressive across a table. Bachman? She could be the improved “Palin Mk II”.
    But most of all, I do not want to see our next champion surface too soon. Who benefits if He/she pins on the designated bullseye too soon? Much may change in the next year and a half. The Spirit may yet descend upon someone, or someone else may self-destruct. Cantor is looking feckless, but Ryan shows much promise. And who knows who else may be about to emerge from the freshman class? Let the lieutenants emerge now, flush the snipers, and draw enemy fire, then the Commander can appear for the final assault. Learn from our enemies – Hillary was the inevitable and invincable candidate, and until the last minute, almost none of us took seriously a Buffoon named Barak.

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Considering that the only real experience Ogabe had was that of community organizer, could ANY of the republicans be any worse? If anything, any one of them mentioned has more experience than he did (and still does).

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    irish19 growls and barks:

    Very good comments. We don’t really seem to have a good first string, but the bench is deep. I think our strategy for 2012 should be to increase the depth of that bench. Concentrate on electing more true conservatives to the House and state office. We also need to work on wresting control of the Senate, again with true conservatives, from the commies er dems nope commies is most accurate. Then, whoever is elected President will have to face a tide of conservative legislation. While the veto pen may be wielded early and often, at least more damage won’t be done. In 2016, then, some of the current group of benchwarmers should be ready to step up to the starting line-up.

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    LC LittleRott84 Imperial DJ growls and barks:

    Funny, no one has mentioned Fred Thompson. What do you guys think of him?

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    MrSpkr growls and barks:

    Thompson was an old, tired man, not candidate, three years ago. I see no reason to think he has been rejuvenated this time around.

    Romney is a fracking northeastern RINO with decent economic views, but how in the hell do we turn Obama’s biggest legislative failure, heathcare, against him using a former governor who did the same damn thing to his home state? The thought of voting for Romeny makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

    Huckabee? Worthless populist stain. The shuck and jive populist crap he shuffled out in the last election was more to run interference for McCain than anything else.

    McCain? No reason he couldn’t run again — and I won’t cast a vote for him a second time.

    Gingrich? The drug addicted homeless vet I tripped over last week in downtown Dallas has a more stable personal life than Gingrich. Also, i can’t forgive his ineptitude as Speaker, or his backstabbing real conservatives in the last election cycle.

    Christy? No thanks. He’s a squish at best, and not ready for prime time.

    Mitch Daniels or Tim Pawlenty? Regional candidates lacking national charisma, though Pawlenty is at least trying in that regard.

    Sarah? Unfortunately, I agree with the Emporer — she is irreparably damaged. Frankly, she would have done better this past cycle to run for the US Senate — but who knows whether she could have run, given her inexplicable decision to leave the Alaska governorship early. I like the platitudes she offers, and admire what she did to root out corruption in Alaska, but she will never make President.

    Haley Barbour? Has been.

    Rick Perry? Moderate squish, particularly on border security and illegal immigration. He tacked to the right in teh last gubernatorial election, but I remember him lining up squarely behind W’s immigration policies in the middle of the last decade.

    Bobby Jindal? Less than impressive on the television, and still hasn’t overcome the disastrous SOTU response from 2009.

    The problem we face right now is the dearth of leadership on the national scale among conservatives. Sarah is unelectable (as is Michelle Bachmann). We hav esome rising stars, but now is not there time.

    The more I think about it, the more I despair.

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    The Lone Haranguer growls and barks:

    Response to LC LittleRott84 Imperial DJ @:
    Fred! (as the Emperor liked to call him then) ran a pitiful, half-assed, quickly aborted “campaign” in ’08, acting as if he didn’t really want the job. :em98: He’s got some serious sucking up to do.

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    Library Czar growls and barks:

    He ran a campaign about as exciting as warm spit. Jan Brewer might also be a consideration. I think whats going to happen is the crossover dems and MSM will end up picking the worst possible candidate for us. By the time our primary came around McShame was the only one on the ballot.

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    At this point, I am about ready to support The Donald. He’s got the business acumen, for sure, and he sure doesn’t mind pissing people off.

    Personally, I am getting tired of having to draw from the Senate/Representative pool. They are legistators, NOT executives. Governors are a better pool to draw from. They have executive experience. And, why not focus on a “civilian” with successful business experience? Who says we have to elect a career politician?

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    The Republican and Democrat parties share one common goal: insuring Conservatives have no candidates to vote for ever again.

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    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    Frankly, JB, I’m shocked you haven’t seen the handwriting on the wall. As the press pillories the crap out of Palin she pulls in millions. She sees it-the media sees it. So they go after her some more. What the media is missing is that the more they go after Palin, the less they can do the same to another female. Someone on the same page. Someone that can benefit from the media bashing women, someone that if they bash her the dems would lose the all-important women’s vote. I’m sure you get my drift.

    So stop with the “Palin can’t win” crap and let the media attack her. We need it. We have two years to decide, and I, for one will vote for anyone that runs. In the mean-time the media can push whatever poll they want- I won’t believe any of it. It’s too early.

    In short, Obama is over his head and anyone can beat him. Even a Congresscritter from Minnesota.

  27. 27
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    It is pretty clear that Obama is well on his way to becoming Clinton’s third term by becoming Republican Lite. The problem is, we can’t have a Centrist president right now if we ever expect to get out of our financial problems.

    But we had a Marxist president in Clinton, and we have a Marxist in the WH now.

    Nothing that either Clinton or Obage has done could be even remotely be considered “centrist.”

    I don’t really think it will matter who the person “in charge” is. because I see the eventual take over of the government by multi-national corporations. We are almost there right now, with all of our Congress critters in one or more pockets of these corporations.

    Only in the Leftist-Marxist worldview would see that Obage is being taken over by multi-national corporations.

    Meanwhile in the real world…

  28. 28
    LC Ogrrre growls and barks:

    Everything I read and heard about Duncan Hunter makes him the person I hope runs. He didn’t get much publicity in the last Presidential election. Perhaps a ticket of Hunter/Tancredo would be the way to go. What do you pups think?

  29. 29
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #30 LC Ogrrre

    I have no problem with Hunter, from what I have heard. The thing is, he has got to run. And we will let the primaries sort things out.

    Tancredo, however, is an entirely different matter. He jumped from the Republican Party to the Constitution Party to run as their candidate for governor last year, at the behest of the Republican Central Committee. He had issued a demand that the duly nominated candidate drop out, and he be inserted as the Republican candidate.

    Now, if Tancredo had run for the nomination, I would think a lot better of him. In fact I may have supported him. But he kept quiet all through the nominating process, and started complaining after it was over. You might note, that the candidate who actually easily won both at the State Convention and in the Primary Election, Dan Maes, was the TEA Party endorsed candidate. Tancredo ran on the Constitution Party ticket as a front for the Institutional Republicans who were really upset that the TEA Party had beaten them. Tancredo split the vote, and gave us yet another damned Leftist Democrat for a governor. And a few days ago, announced that he had changed his registration back to Republican, but that it was OK, because he had told the Constitution Party that he was not there for good when he became their candidate. We are supposed to love him now, because he now has an R behind his name again. Or at least so says the Republican Central Committee. Well screw them, and screw him.

    He now is just a puppet for collaborationist Republicans. He’ll get my vote for anything shortly after Hell freezes over, unless I happen to ever sit on a jury on a case involving him. Then I’ll vote guilty.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  30. 30
    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    Response to LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An @:
    I have to agree with Subotai on this one. Tancredo was a foil for the Beltway Repubs to keep the Conservative/Tea Party wing from getting a big win.

    This went down much the same way that the money behind Murkowski (sic) in Alaska came from the Oil Lobby and Democrats. Opposition to a true Conservative is the only thing the Beltway Repubs and the Democrats agree on
    :em41: .

  31. 31
    Jerry growls and barks:

    For those of you who believe this guy is going away in 2012, guess again. With his allies in the Lame Stream Media shrilling for him, and the lack of ANY viable candidates on our side who actually have the balls to effectively challenge him, I don’t see him losing. Unless he does something REALLY stupid over the next year that affects his base, he will cruise to a second term.

  32. 32

    Response to L.C. Mope @:
    Sage indeed.
    ‘The hat on the stick.
    As long as they’re obsessed,, focused on that hat, mebbe’ they won’t see what’s comin’ up b’hind ’em.

  33. 33
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    I’m with Jerry on this one. I don’t see anyone that can beat him. Also with the republicans divided, folks like myself having said fuck and you see you later, that makes it much harder. I take a most perverse comfort, if one could call it that, in knowing at least I can help reny those RINO traitors and the party establishment what they seek. It may take a major split, dooming the RINOS to permanent minority status, the Tea party pulling ahead, but still behind the democrats. That being said, the economic crash I believe is coming may deal with all these problems, and Obama will be held responsible by most of the population, if not the media. A media I pay no attention to now, and give even less credibility.

  34. 34
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    She quits the governorship mostly because she found she could make more money being a media whore, while railing against the “lame stream media”. Ironically, she IS part of that main stream media being on the number one cable news network.

    Did I miss something? When did Fox give a show to Palin?

    Clinton was accused of everything anyone could think of, including murder, rape, drug dealing, being a traitor, just to name a few. When Obama came on the scene, you just picked up from where you left off and haven’t stopped yet.

    Roger Clinton saying his brother has a nose like a vacuum cleaner.

    Juanita Broderick accurately describing Clinton’s body parts.

    And although he wasn’t as forward as Obama, he was certainly giving enemies of our country aid and comfort.

  35. 35
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Sarah dared step off the plantation… Those were my thoughts considering the batshit insane, irrational, vitriolic hateful attacks against her by the feminist left. This goes beyond political to personal. Sarah is everything those feminist man haters can never be………down to earth, pretty, successful, apparently happily married, stood by her principles regarding her children…and she hunts, with a gun……perhaps somewhat akin to being damned to perdition by an atheist.
    I would have to ask…it must go deeper? I personally do not think she is ready for being president, but I also did and do feel the same way about Barack Obama.
    Some scoff at this notion, yet it remains true to my observation. Reading of such mad dog attacks, the lack of rational discourse painfully apparent…I simply tuned it out. The media proper attacks her because she is what ths is, both politically and personally. They can’t keep her down, it drives them crazy. No news there. I have to entertain a wry grin considering her being attacked by those claiming she stirs up shit. You mean like Cass Sunstein, or that androgynous bovine running DHS, and a host of others? Or does that imply you share similar beliefs with this host of others. Or does it mean I’m simply closed minded and intolerant, a familar refrain? I’ve heard it before and give it all the consideration I feel it deserves…..
    Obama may be kept by default, it certainly will not be merit, a bitch slap to other candidates. Yet the RINOS are determined also to attack Sarah, along with conservatism as well. Let them, I will see them defeated by democrats before I will submit to their hypocrisy and treason.
    The demos I fight based on their beliefs and actions….
    With the RINOS I am fighting traitors, and that one’s personal….
    As for Sarah……..I admire her spunk…..and to her I would say Keep it up!!!!

  36. 36
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    Sarah dared step off the plantation…

    And there’s the money quote. Thanks. That pretty much says it all.

  37. 37
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Response to Iacobus @:

    I hear you. I held my nose in 2000 and I can’t say I’m sorry, but it was and will certainly be the last time. Never again; I’d as soon say like Gonzman has, let the whole effing thing burn. Romney? LOL!!! Yeah, right. Where in the HELL did he come back from all of a sudden? He, Huckabee and McCain were the worst of the worst in the last primaries and now they’re back? Oh HELL no. Guys don’t have a clue about economic solutions. Not. a. clue. As soon as Thompson and Giuliani were out, so was I. Though I did watch Palin with interest; I still stayed home. NEWT? NEWT??!?!?! Who does he think he’s fooling? Are we supposed to forget him teaming up with Pelousy to tell us global warming was the most important thing in the world for the gov’t to spend on right now? We’re paying attention this time, Newt, and that makes you 1/2/3 strikes OUT. Not even if hell freezes over, which is looking more and more likely with your “climate change.”

    I do love the way Sarah and Bachmann et al have been out front taking all the freaking hits for two years and just now these…er…guys crawl out of their crevices and start talking tough. Screw it; I’d vote for Bachmann/Palin before any of ’em. Unspecific or not. At least they have nuts. And I loathe the way they’ve been party to the Palin abuse, pigs. No, it just ain’t happening. Too many of us gonna stay home in droves just like last time if they try another bullshitter on us.

  38. 38
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    LC HJ Caveman82952 Let them, I will see them defeated by democrats before I will submit to their hypocrisy and treason.

    Yep. Like I said, I’d as soon see it all go up in smoke than submit to one more bullshit candidate. Never.

  39. 39
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    We can rebuild, Anniee, you, me, the Rotties, folks believing as we do……start with a town and work our way back.. I see no point in voting for RINOS,.we just get there slower with the RINOS, the key being we do get there. The demos or anyone else can allt moderation if they so choose, I have no desire to be civil to or compromise with them. None. And they can call me any damn thing they want, I’ll wear it as a badge fo honor.
    I don’t want to go there, but if I must…..
    Well, at this point, I would have to work mighty hard to dead lift all my ammo…if I even could.

  40. 40
    LC Darth Scoundrel growls and barks:

    I don’t think she will run. Why the hell would she want to put herself through that again? I think she’s having a ball doing what she’s doing, supporting conservative candidates and causes and tweaking the lefties’ noses.
    I don’t know who will run, or if we will have a candidate worth a damn when it’s all over, but as I recall Reagan wasn’t on anyone’s radar screens in 78 either.
    And it could well be (I suspect it’s so) that the RNC has not learned it’s lesson. I have gotten to the point where I never underestimate the Republican Party’s ability to step on their own short dicks.

  41. 41
    Jerry growls and barks:

    A little essay on Sarah Palin from American Thinker and why she’s hated by so many people.

  42. 42
    Haverwilde growls and barks:

    The Alaska population would fit in a medium size city. So many of us have met with Palin repeatedly over the years. Do I want her to be President? No.
    But, I am pleased that she can be the king (or Queen maker). She has the clout and fund raising ability to give the good ol’ boys fits. My hope is that she is able to help elect the GOP candidate. We need her orientation and anti-establishment energy to fight the battle to win our country back.

  43. 43

    Response to LC Roguetek @:
    He’s an anti-gun fuckbag, who took forever to free Brian Aitken, after numerous requests and calls from Americans who were appalled by this case. And even then he didn’t clear the charges, but just let him out of prison in time to spend Christmas with his family.

    Cock.

    He’s good on fiscal issues, but an asshole overall.

  44. 44
    DarthBane growls and barks:

    Seriously, the stuff said about Obama hasn’t risen to half the level of stuff that was flung at George W. Bush for 8 years.

    Palin should wait until 2020, after a Republican administration wins the White House and gets re-elected in 2016.

  45. 45
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #52 DarthBane

    Palin should wait until 2020, after a Republican administration wins the White House and gets re-elected in 2016.

    Your optimism is ….. baffling.

    1) There is an implicit assumption that one of the lop-earred duds listed above and discounted by us all, or a hitherto “Occluded” perfect candidate who will suddenly appear, will win in 2012 and 2016.

    and

    2) That win or lose for the condition above; that there will still be something recognizable as the United States of America operating under the Constitution in 2020 for Sarah Palin to win electorally.

    I submit that we are going to need all hands making their best case in the primaries, letting the best candidate that fits the desires of the Party [Republican or TEA as circumstances develop] base win. Note I said Party base, not the back room, the Political Class, or the MFM. And all hands includes Sarah Palin. If she wins the base, then we rally around her. If she loses, we rally around whoever wins the base, to convince the non-Moonbat part of the country. We cannot let the Democrats pre-emptively disqualify any candidate because they do not like them. Because they are not going to like ANYONE except Buraq Hussein, and will do like they did in 2008 with McCain. If we disqualify candidates that they so obviously fear, we are implicitly yielding control of the second box to this country’s enemies. That may not end well.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  46. 46
    L.C. Mope growls and barks:

    WTF?

    (0:48)

    BWahahahahahaha.

    That’s why Palin is hated.

  47. 47
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch says:

    Response to LC Roguetek @:
    He’s an anti-gun fuckbag, who took forever to free Brian Aitken, after numerous requests and calls from Americans who were appalled by this case. And even then he didn’t clear the charges, but just let him out of prison in time to spend Christmas with his family.
    Cock.
    He’s good on fiscal issues, but an asshole overall.

    Don’t be too sure he’s good on fiscal issues; NJ is in one HELL of a financial mess and damned if we aren’t half the time at the mercy of unions for any actual competition in the markets. He’s tough with the teacher’s unions; that’s a good thing but it’s hardly the only thing we need. He’s a lot more pro-gun than any other possible option Jersey’s ever had, but that ain’t saying much, if anything. It isn’t like we’re ever going to be allowed to CARRY. That just doesn’t exist here.

    And his relationship with radical Islam is not to be denied – it’s one of the newest things and obviously the worst of all possible things. http://www.investigativeproject.org/2506/gov-christie-strange-relationship-with-radical There’s some info on it. A state judge and this Qatanani character? Oh hell no. Best leave him here, maybe the economy will improve a little bit in the long run; but for president? No. Not with all that going against him.

    It’s like Cheapshot and Caveman seem to recognize – we can’t be the party of no we have got to be the party of HELL NO. No equivocation; no deals, no more compromise. Here’s to turmoil :em96:

  48. 48
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Late to the discussion: The Left will disembowel ANYONE we field as a candidate.

    All this talk about Palin being “too damaged” to be a candidate is music to their pointed ears. It’s exactly what they want us to say after they’ve had at our candidates like Rottweilers going after a chew toy.

    Anyone remember that vile series of doctored photos of McCain by that deranged, dripping-fanged Marxist bitch who happened to be a photographer for the Atlantic Monthly???? She had pictures of McCain — MCCAIN!! the Left’s favorite “house Repub” — with his “fangs” dripping blood, with a chimpanzee with larger-than-normal testicles urinating and defecating on MCCAIN’s face.

    The moral of this story is, they’re in this fight to the death, and the dismemberment of the remains, no matter WHO we put up.

    We have got to take the fight to the enemy and stop trimming our sails to meet their every fart.

  49. 49
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    You know, Tallulah, I was just back here to say something almost exactly like you just did. Because I’m sitting here and it’s running through my mind…

    Jackboot; no disrespect whatsoever to you or your friend; I am sure you have plenty of experience and probably know lots of things I don’t know.

    But I know this. As Tallulah rightly points out they are prepared to savage *anyone* who isn’t in line with a leftist agenda. And I know that the goal is to get us to pick our very LEAST acceptable possibility because they won’t LET anyone else win, because they, as Adrienne said to Rocky in Rocky IV, CAN’T WIN. They won’t be ALLOWED to win. Soros has been deliberately funding (and quite openly I might add) a Media Matters dirt-digging expedition on ANYONE who might contribute to a campaign they are determined to fight against. And their #1 target is still Palin (whether or not she’s even running – we’ll just have to wait and see, eh?) In1980 we were told Reagan couldn’t win. But we were in a by-G-d depression and we just weren’t going to take it (although *I* wasn’t one of “we” at the time; being both too young and ignorant) anymore; and we started on a pretty fine journey that lasted a pretty damn long time. And somehow ever since then we’ve been told who can or can’t win and have been forced to accept whoever was shoved down our throats because “Oh that one you really want can’t win anyway, don’t even bother.” Now is EXACTLY the wrong time to worry about that. The closer the next election comes, the LESS we have to worry about it and the MORE we have to simply do what we know is right regardless. We have nothing left to lose here. All we have is each other now. We pulled off a mighty fine coup in November because we weren’t going to be told who “couldn’t win”, and it’s time to stop letting the media TELL us who can’t win and make SURE someone can’t win. If we lose, we lose. There’ll be another round. But maybe Goliath doesn’t win this one after all. If we let him psych us out – and THIS early in the game yet, without even the players in place – then we’re doing the same fucking thing we’ve been doing since 1988 and it will never ever be good enough. It’s gone too far now to accept any more of the same. And frankly, we’ve sent these honest players into the lion’s den already where they have to fight for position amongst our alleged allies – and we’ve expected them to stand up to that pressure (which has to be immense) and keep fighting. They deserve no less from us in return. We send in a Romney or a Huckabee or a Newt, we might as well just spit in their faces and say “We’re leaving you to the wolves now, thanks for trying and all.” I’m not breaking faith with them. It’s the best we’ve got or we let them keep fighting their *open* opponents on the left; I don’t intend to leave them to fight yet another half-assed alleged ally.

    There’s a few hints of inside scoop that are going around with former staffers and such that know many of these people, and while they also feel that a Palin run would be hopeless, they say she is exactly who she says she is. What better weapon could a politician who’s about to be run through the muck possibly have than that? (By the way, these people warn that Bachmann isn’t to be trusted; I would wish that weren’t so but we can’t afford anyone who can’t withstand every bit of media dirt-digging that’s going to happen.) Why else are they so afraid of her that they have committed one atrocity after another against her? And if it’s a dark horse, so be it (by the way, I submit to you that before Nixon was even impeached, Archie Bunker screamed at the meathead, “You’re gonna get Reagan – “Reegan” as he put it – in ’80 ya’ know!!” So he wasn’t quite the dark horse, somebody saw it coming and thought enough of it to make it into a joke. That came true.) And I realize not everyone here even thinks she’s the fittest, but as a wise friend of my own often says, “Ok, if not her, WHO?” If not, then someone’s going to have to present a better option – not a single one of the other names so far is remotely acceptable. Present me with someone more fit, more honest, more true, stronger, with an absolute dedication to restoring the republic and I’ll be more than happy to go with them. No one has thus far turned up.

    Though Fred Thompson did cancel his radio show rather abruptly…I asked him if that meant he was going to Iowa but he didn’t say 😉 If he’d get over HIS old-boy aversion to Palin that’d be quite a ride, IMO.

    All right; written in the heat of the moment so I hope it hangs together and makes some sense, but now is not the time to write off good people (maybe the best people we have) on that old bullshit “They can’t win – because the left won’t LET them win” again. That has to stop scaring us or they’ve already got us beat; and that doesn’t seem like any American Spirit I ever believed in. I’d like to fly the stars and bars again instead of this Gadsden flag. When we’re done with this beshitted decades-long siege, I’ll do it. But until then I refuse to be bullied. And I hope you do too.

  50. 50
    Dragineez growls and barks:

    I, sadly, have to agree that a Sarah Palin candidacy would send the left into paroxysms of rage the like of which has never been seen before. Well, not in this country anyway. But I have to agree with LC Subotai that there is no “magic” candidate that is going to jump out of the woods frighten the left back into their holes. If there’s anyone out there, we already know their name. But who is it?

    OT But: I was introduced to the series “Firefly” through this blog. Thanks to NetFlix I and my wife watched all the episodes (plus Serenity) recently. We both found it very entertaining. Thanx for the tip.

  51. 51
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An growls and barks:

    #58 Dragineez

    I was introduced to the series “Firefly” through this blog.

    1) SHINY!

    And our watchwords from now to November 2012 have to be:

    2) You can’t stop the signal. and

    3) We aim to misbehave.

    regardless of what the Left, the Political Class of both parties, and the MFM say and do. If we fail at the very end, we fail with honor. But I rather think that we will not fail; just that the journey is going to be messier than we are used to.

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

  52. 52
    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    I would love to see Herman Cain take the presidency, or even the nomination. How would the left explain their opposition to him? American Thinker has a good article today: ten reasons that Herman Cain would be a good president.

  53. 53
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Get out much?

    Damn, you got one right. You must have done some research.

    Who has attacked her handicapped child? “The Left” hasn’t done that.

    That was all the left talked about for weeks on end.

    I sure do.

    Going all the way back to JFK. Does anyone have to remind you how the Right absolutely hated JFK? Then, like now, they called the president a Socialist, communist, murderer, etc.

    I remember that, how Dan “kenneth” Rather fabricated stories in Dallas after the shooting.

    I also remember that LBJ hired Oswald to kill Connelley, but Oswald freelanced.

    And that Oswald was a Communist.

    This is where most of you have this one-sided view of things. You expect YOUR side to sail through without criticism while you simultaneously fire salvo after salvo at the Left. You attacked the Clintons mercilessly for eight years, and screamed bloody murder when Bush was attacked throughout his term. Then you are back to attacking Obama for being everything but white and expect Sarah Palin to be treated with respect.

    Except that Reagan was attacked mercilessy for 8 years by the lamestream pundits, and as I recall there were no blogs in 1981.

    Bush I was savaged for 4 years, and there was still no blogs.

    Clinton was not savaged by lamestream pundits, until the blue dress.

    Bush II was savaged since November 2000.

    And all I ever said about Obage was he was a lying, corrupt, Chicago Machine Demomarxist.

    Remember Tony Rizzo, Blago, The good rev wright, Alexi the greek, the Burris bribes.

    I do.

  54. 54
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Wow Deej, you’re really going above and beyond with the lies, slander and bile on this thread. Are you possibly angling for Keith Olbermann’s job?

    If so good luck to ya! :em93:

  55. 55
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Speaking of slander against the Palins, here’s another misfire from the left’s magical mayhem media machine.

    What is it about an adorable little woman from Alaska that makes the left wet their panties like they are face to face with a 500 pound Siberian Tiger? :em99:

  56. 56
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An says:

    #58 Dragineez
    I was introduced to the series “Firefly” through this blog.
    1) SHINY!
    And our watchwords from now to November 2012 have to be:
    2) You can’t stop the signal. and
    3) We aim to misbehave.
    regardless of what the Left, the Political Class of both parties, and the MFM say and do. If we fail at the very end, we fail with honor. But I rather think that we will not fail; just that the journey is going to be messier than we are used to.
    LC Subotai Bahadur, Lord Pao An

    That was my POINT! We may fail but we fail WITH HONOR! Now I’ve never served in the military and frankly I’m not physically able to – but I know what honor is. And I know how to follow it. If it ends in defeat so be it. At this point honor’s what we’ve got. Let’s not abandon it.

  57. 57
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Arrgh; looking back; stop letting it be derailed. I know there’s a devil’s advocate but we’ve had enough fucking devil’s advocate. Fuck the devil. :em96:

  58. 58
    LC Fei Long growls and barks:

    Rush is on at least three clear-channel stations I can name.

    Holy hell, radio broadcasting is just about the last thing I’d do with 50kW of power, though :em95:

  59. 59
    rickl growls and barks:

    LC Alric says:

    And Kennedy’s body wasn’t even cold before shitstains like Dan Rather tried to pin the assassination on “right wingers.” All sorts of leftist kooks were making crazed allegations of right wing militias or military coups intent on overthrowing the government.

    And nice try attempting to pin all this on the right. The left went batshit insane over Goldwater and made up lies out of whole cloth to discredit him (just like with Palin). Do I have to remind you how Ralph Ginzburg claimed that Goldwater was a paranoid schizophrenic? How about Daniel Schorr’s slander that when Goldwater (whose father was Jewish, by the way) went on a vacation to Germany, he was really there to meet with Neo-Nazis at Berchtesgaden? Own it.

    Exactly. If JFK was assassinated by a right-wing cabal, then how come we ended up with LBJ and the Great Society? It would seem that their plot backfired, to say the least.

  60. 60
    Special Ed growls and barks:

    Especially from a state that gets more federal dollars than its people pay into.

    Dear Lord, I get tired of this. Sure, most blue states have a tax burden compared to most red states. But the red states have the food burden, the military burden, and the burden of fending off those who try to tell us what to do, say, eat, wear, drive, heat our homes with, etc.

    Here’s My Philosophy:

    If you have a problem with me or anything to do with me, then you have a problem. What are you going to do about your problem?

    The My Philosophy Corollary is:

    Don’t ask me to fix your problem, fix it yourself. That way, there’s at least a tiny chance you’ll like the solution.

    And I’ll vote for whomever a damned well please, and not because I think others will agree with my choice. (See: My Philosophy).

  61. 61
    LC Alric growls and barks:

    Not to mention that the reason red states get more funds is:
    1) Red states have far more military bases than blue states. (thus receiving federal defense funding)
    2) Much of the land in the western states is federal government owned.
    3) Major cities in the southern states (these cities such as Atlanta, Birmingham, and New Orleans are left-wing democrat strongholds) suck up welfare and are reliant on mandated federal liberal social programs dating back to LBJ that have made them what they are.

  62. 62
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Response to YGBSM @: I happen to fall under his flagship station in NY. Glad you fellows out in to boonies get to listen too lol. FAIRNESS DOCTRINE! Fuck that. I’m pissed enough we lost Stern (uh, YEAH I just said I love Howard Stern. Screw you too.) Now we might lose Limbaugh? Fuck that. I’ll sacrifice Hannity and…uh….some middle guy but NOT Limbaugh. He’s one of the few who ISn’T bashing Palin and for that ALONE he deserves credit.

    Unless I’m wrong and he IS bashing her. I don’t listen much lol.

  63. 63
    Veeshir growls and barks:

    I think that if the GOP nominates Romney, Huckabee or any other Rino douchetool, it’s third party time.

    Yes, even if that means Obama is elected again.

    We keep trying to get the GOP to learn a lesson and they keep learning the lesson that we are too stupid to understand their brilliance.

    Rarely were the words, “It’s gotta get worse before it gets better” more true.

  64. 64
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Sure, let ME be the crackpot who ends the thread GDI. Ain’t used to anything else.

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    If Rush is so insignificant, why did the WH invest so much time and effort in attacking him? And why is he the highest-paid radio talk show host in America?

    Your envy is SOOOO transparent.

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    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    YGBSM says:

    Note: Gallup has been taking this same poll for almost 40 years and always with the same results.

    Yeah but those evul Gallop people dont use the “new” math, nor does it matter, because they are controlled by the “corporations” just like our govt. Just ask DJ.