Breaking the Speed of Light

Courtesy of a tip from LC Cheapshot.

Scientists at CERN in Geneva say they have discovered sub-atomic particles that move even faster than the universally accepted rate of 300,000 kilometres a second.

Experts say the discovery is a game-changer – and is more significant than the discovery of radioactivity.

If proven, it will blow Einstein’s 1905 theory of relativity – a fundamental pillar of physics – out of the water.

Kindly refrain from pointing out to us that we’re “late” in reporting this, because we’re not.

It actually happened today, but due to the supra-light speed of the discovery, the news didn’t break until a few days ago.



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    Igor, Imperial Booby growls and barks:

    This doesn’t exactly blow Einstein out of the water, because there could be other phenomena that we don’t know about affecting the neutrinos. They may still be behaving themselves and may be tunneling through normal space, or maybe warping somehow. A t any rate, there’s something weird going on here, I hope they figure it out! :em03:

    Warp 1, Mr. Sulu!

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    LC hilljohnny growls and barks:

    to be even more weird if the neutrinos did travel faster than light they would go back in time and appear at the target before they got there.

  3. 3
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    I have always said Einstein was mistaken….not wrong, just mistaken!! Heisenberg was closer to the truth! Speed is relative and not necessarily relevant!

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    GamerFromJump growls and barks:

    Just goes to show that “settled science” is an oxymoron.

  5. 5
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    And ALGORE invented the internet, and AGW is settled science. What we know is just a thimble of the truth./s

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    LC/IB PrimEviL growls and barks:

    LOL….another new discovery makes hay of once wholly accepted scientific “fact”;

    otherwise known as “doctrine”, or “dogma”.

    Right now there are a lot of Physicists wishing they had never built that infernal machine.

    Today’s scientific “truths” are tomorrow’s laughingstock.

    Meanwhile, me smiles, and smiles.

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Any scientist who believes he knows everything about time, space, cause, and effect was never in our living room when our old retriever let go of a beer fart.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Einstein was right, 100 years ago. His theories helped us discover the atom bomb.

    Now, he still may be right, but we may have just passed the threshhold of the speed of light.

    And, also, never assume that the current figures are correct.

    I am hopeful, but I want those numbers crunched and recrunched.

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    ebrown2 growls and barks:

    It’s science reporting, watch for the inevitable walk-back from over-generalizations and extreme claims later. :em02:

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    irish19 growls and barks:

    Here’s the thing. Even if this proves out, one can still do physics based on Einstein, or Newton for that matter. This discovery does not completely invalidate either of them.
    See Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

  11. 11
    LC R6 growls and barks:

    Somebody notify me when the Holodeck is invented because boy do I have some NASTY extremely educational programs waiting.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Hmmm….I’ll invoke the ‘couple of weeks’ rule. If they can consistently repeat it (after validation of speed) then they’re onto something.

    irish19 says:

    Even if this proves out, one can still do physics based on Einstein, or Newton for that matter. This discovery does not completely invalidate either of them.

    I agree fully. E=mc-squared still works perfectly. We’ve been studying neutrinos for decades, but they’re hard to catch using normal techniques since they’re so energetic. That this would be ground-breaking,I’m not surprised that it’s neutrinos.

    I submit that we could add onto General Relativity.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    LC Jackboot IC/A @ #:12
    Exactly. The theory of Relativity, both general and special, did not invalidate the Laws of Motion, they simply dealt with things that Newton had no way of observing.

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    spc67 growls and barks:


    Kuhn should be required reading and rereading for HS seniors and above.

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    Boryon growls and barks:

    This is near enough my view on things. Basically an extension of the 24 hour rule to allow for science review times.

    [clarification] the bit about urging caution is my view. The rest is just delightfully cynical 🙂

    Now, why can’t we have more scientists going “this is strange, guys, can you poke holes in this and show me if/where I’m wrong?”.

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    irish19 growls and barks:

    “this is strange, guys, can you poke holes in this and show me if/where I’m wrong?”.

    That is exactly what real scientists do. Yet, this is strangely unlike the AGW crowd.
    I wonder why.

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    Alan K. Henderson growls and barks:

    Igor, Imperial Booby says:

    Warp 1, Mr. Sulu!

    Set course for the planet with the blue jungle aliens! We’ve got to get their unobtanium so we can pay off the national debt!

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    I’m down with JB’s shakin’ out period.
    On the good side, this will be where the data, gauges, meters and all who read them go through the Central Scrutinizer.
    The good thing is, any person that can show reasons to doubt any part of it will advance everybody else’s understanding of the forces involved with their findings,, and how to read them more completely and accurately.
    Fame and fortune await the ones with the best evidence either way.
    “Settled science”,,, whatta’ hoot!

    ‘Nice to see something that can travel faster than a speeding paycheck tho’..

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    LC Spare Parts growls and barks:

    Alan K. Henderson @ #:
    I am countermanding that order. Mr Chekov, lay in a course for the planet Megagem in the DeBeerian Calaxy. It’s composed totally of diamond. Our mission is to strip mine it and auction it off on the exchanges in Belgium to pay the national debt with the proceeds. The net surplus after coverage for all unfunded liabilities incurred by the government will go towards construction of our plant which will produce inflatable Seven of Nine dolls so all the arrested developmental sci-fi fans will something to sleep with and keep them off the streets except the hours between 10 AM and 6 PM on Saturdays. That is all.

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    Alan K. Henderson growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts @ #:

    We should take Megagem for ourselves.Offer to bail out the Earthlings if they sell us all sorts of capital goods useful for planetary colonization…

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    LC Spare Parts @ #:

    But Sir, we cant leave orbit without the Captain! Hes currently conducting a threesome, errrr interrogation of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann on the planet…………………………

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    I reckon’ the Captain will be debriefed when he gets back.
    Or,, did he wear boxers?

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    LC Draco growls and barks:

    LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech @ #:


    But will the ‘debriefer’ be blue or green?