Without Further Comment


Good luck explaining to your kids and grandkids why you let this happen.

Be easier on yourselves to just eat your guns.

Don’t expect Weepy Boner to be paying any attention, though.



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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    Hey I’ve seen that a number of times on the olde Telly. Great Ad !!! Hard hitting and spot-fucking-on too. !!!!!

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    ” rel=”nofollow”>Meanwhile Al Franken is demonstrating civility and the “new tone” so touted by democrats.

    If a Republican had engaged in such “satire”, the squeals of outrage coming from The Left would have been deafening.

    At any rate, between Franken’s “pithy witticism” and Wasserman Schultz shrieking about the House Republicans trying to impose “dictatorship”, I think the only panic “being sparked” is with the democrats

    Why won’t they cave, dammit?! The GOP always caves!!

    While I expect “The Boner” to fold up like a cheap beach chair sometime soon, watching the democrats going into hysterics will make the inevitable “cave” slightly more tolerable.

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    The new “Daisy” commercial, only for a better cause.

    Elephant Man @ #:

    Vasserman-Shit is a cuntmuffin. Knowing the district she represents though, ain’t no major fucking surprise. Bunch of New Yawk blue hair, statist, damned yankees permanently attached to the gubmint teat. Practically have a huge D tattooed on their foreheads (The D could stand for Democrat, dense, dipshit or dumb-ass, but I repeat myself.)

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    Why not drop him a civil email and urge him to stand strong against the Democrats– offer constructive criticism?

    We need to match overwhelm the the telephone lines and our Congress Critters websites like Obama urged his minions to do this past Monday.

    A house divided against itself cannot stand, Sire. We need to realize that sometimes the best way is by weaning rather than by cold turkey. We cannot let the Democrats divide us and let them exploit it so they can go on with their wild spending ways and denial about the dire economic status of this country—

    I know this is the Rott, but sometimes you really do catch more flies with honey rather than vinegar!

    Regards and still loyal,

    Lady H.

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    DJ proclaims:

    Had you actually gone and read the whole story instead of Ed Driscoll’s hyperventilation, you might have understood the actual context of the chart. (I say might, but then I am being generous today — don’t want to ruin a perfectly good reason to rant about nothing, ja know…)

    Er, I did understand the actual context. Just more democrat hysterics aimed at scaring the proles.

    I’ll type slowly so you can comprehend.

    It doesn’t matter what the context was, if a Republican had done the same thing as Franken, the reaction from the democrats would been one of outrage and hysterical bleatings.

    If you weren’t airsick from being perched so high on your pedestal, you wouldn’t be vomiting condescension and inane talking points all over the threads.

    But what the hell, I’ve got an umbrella and I don’t have to clean it up, so have at it. :em05:

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Now that I’ve returned “snark fire” at DJ I feel I have to address something in my previous comment.

    I flippantly made a remark about how “I don’t have to clean it up” and want everyone to know that I have it covered.

    I hired a cleaning crew so it’s all good.

    I “borrowed” some cash from the Imperial Game Room Beer Fund to pay for it but rest assured that I will be supervising to make sure the money is well spent. :em01:

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    Elephant Man says:

    I hired a cleaning crew so it’s all good.

    cripus….. :em01: ……….the janitors in MY school don’t look like that.

    cleanup in aisle 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and…….ooooooops, I’ll take care of that one myself :em04:

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    …whenever you hear something that isn’t quite in your comfort zone.

    Horseshit generally isn’t in anyone’s comfort zone, except maybe a horse breeder.

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    Elephant Man @ #:
    Well, that video sure cleaned my pipes.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Well, you have competing Republicans right now (which is actually entertaining to watch, if it weren’t do goldurn pathetic). Crossroads GPS is Karl Rove’s group who are pushing to have The Boner’s plan passed. The Koch brothers are pushing NOT to have it passed. Perhaps you should do a little checking into some of these “grass roots” organizations. I think you might be surprised at who is behind them.

    And yet every time we ask for cancelled checks, the marxist in the room is silent.

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    Sir Fresh Sign growls and barks:

    Krugman: Conservative Views About Debt Ceiling Should Be Censored From News Reports

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/27/krugman-balanced-news-media-true-moral-failure-destroying-america#ixzz1TSAXl11p

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    Sir Fresh Sign growls and barks:

    I know that this is the cyber version of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “la la la la la”, whenever you hear something that isn’t quite in your comfort zone.

    See my Krugman link above, Dreck Wizard.

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    Yep, yep, outstanding clean up crew. :em02: Dear BOB this grows ANCIENT. This actually may get uglier than it already is.

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    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    You are a VERY sick individual.

    There comes a point where rhetoric can go a bit too far, and you have left the reservation on this one.

    I’m with DJ on this one.

    You don’t bring someone’s spouse and/or kids into the rhetoric even in a general sense.

    It’s bad form at the very least.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Elephant Man @ #21:

    Emphatically seconded.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Cry me a river Obama.
    Not only did this nitwit empty the Treasury, but he stalled on doing anything about the debt crisis until the last minute. He hasn’t even submitted a realistic budget or a specific debt plan. Meanwhile, he and The Wookie yuk it up, globetrotting at taxpayer expense.
    HE MANUFACTURED THIS CRISIS to force his way on the Rebubs.
    Remember TARP–gotta pass NOW, or country will self-destruct!
    Stimulus–gotta pass NOW or Armegeddon!
    Obamacare–gotta pass NOW, people are dying!

    Urgent Obama, manufacturer of faux crises. A classic Saul Alinsky trick.

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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing @ # 25: Exactly. It can’t stop those payments.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    OT but Very interesting ….**MEDIA ALERT** Military Training Exercises to Take Place In and Around Boston….Link here.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Light, dont forget, Bush killed Elvis, invented AIDS to kill the black man, and secretly OWNS Haliburton

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Light29ID @ #:
    So THAT’S who I have to blame for the Spice Girls….. :em06:

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    The problem I have with a deep cut like this all at once is the effect it will have on the economy, and its capability to absorb drastic cuts like this.

    Well, there’s only one way to find out. Cut them. It’s not their money anyway.

    35% across the board, execpt for military.

    I blame Clinton for Bush

    I blame FDR and LBJ for Clinton.

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    LC Light29ID growls and barks:

    LC Gladiator @ #:

    Got any openings in the DC area? Or virtual? :em01:

    btw IMHO you did go little overboard with DJ. He might be leftard but wives and kids are off limits.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Judge Judy – Here’s Who You Support With Taxes
    Judge Judy speaks out on where our tax dollars go in this case of Duane Brooks, Jr. who is scamming the government with all of his stipends, subsidies and assistance – and using none of it for what it was intended for.

    The mess in this country is not a Democratic or Republican one. We had a Republican president and a Democratic congress with Bush so all hands are dirty. We have a nation of people who feel they are entitled. Entitled to stipends, subsidies, grants, assistance, reparations, welfare, settlements or anything they can get. It is never their fault. It is the government’s fault, or the school’s fault, or someone else’s fault, but never theirs. We? need to be responsible adults, not welfare babies.


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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:


    Gladiator, I understand your frustration with DJ, and the desire to give him the pinyata treatment ( hang from a tree w/a rope and beaten until candy falls out…) But you’ve -really- got to stop letting him bait you so damned easily.

    Yes, we fight here. Yes, we even fight dirty here (especially in DJ’s case, but I digress.)…

    However. We have certain rules that you do not break.

    1. Leave the family out of it. I understand what you were trying to say origionally, but a simple ‘LoL, Misha schooled your stupid ass’ would have sufficed.

    2. Racism is tacky. Yeah, DJ uses the race card like a trophy wife works an AMEX, but let’s not give him anything solid to work with, shall we?

    You can do better than this.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    If you don’t understand how connected our economy is to government spending, you have little or no idea at all how things work. You are not just talking about some faceless monolith when you talk about “The Government”, you are talking about real, live breathing men and women with families and kids who go to work just like you do, work, and earn a paycheck, so they can come home to the house they bought, and the groceries and goods they buy, so they can relax like you do in your down time. You are also talking about the bread and butter for many industries who rely on government contracts to survive. If you are driving by a road construction project on your way home and see the guys working on that bridge or that highway project, they might work for a private contractor, but they are doing a job that the government is paying for. At least they are until August 2nd when the government is no longer going to cut a check to that contractor, and the contractor is going to send its workers home. They won’t even be able to collect unemployment — because that money won’t be available either.

    The government workers should by all means be first to feel the pain, because they are part of the problem.

    And why should the military be the sacred cow? Cut it back to the bare minimum.

    And may the Space Needle be vaporized by a North Korea nuke.

    Eventually it might work itself out, but that could take years, and most likely ….. wait for it……. a government spending program to stimulate the economy again.

    Like all the other government programs to stimulate the economy, it will fail.

    Government has never solved problems, it has either prolonged, created or made problems worse.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    History is against you on that.

    History is with me on that. FDR’s policies all failed, or are failing (Social Insecurity for one).

    LBJ’s policies should have never been passed, for they have destroyed the black family.

    You lose again.

    Their guidance systems ain’t that good. the base of the Space Needle fits inside of a 138-foot square chunk of land, and the way it is built, it could easily withstand a nuclear blast.

    So, a well placed suitcase nuke, or North Korea gets lucky, foom, the base still stands, but nothing else.

    God, you are a stupid marxist.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Why, because it is mentioned in the Constitution? There is nothing in that document that says we need to have a military that could blow up the world over and over, have every kind of military hardware some military contractor wants to dream up — for billions of dollars per unit

    Fuck you Deej, twice with a barbwire wrapped railroad tie. And that goes to anyone of you here with that knee jerk reaction to “contractors” As one member said at times, say it to my face, and I can fucking guarantee you a fight.

    Otherwise You’re just another shill, vapid and uncomprehending of anything that goes on with the military, and the contracts that support it.

    You get your fucking talking points form whatever biased leftist rag or cookie cutter Foxnews article you haunt and spew it as certain fact.

    As a contractor for the military for over 15 years I am sick of that stance, So pull up a chair …I got something to say.

    I’m fed up with the The insensate bashing of people like me who go in harms way, working literally double time with no OT pay, with endless months in the field away from home and family. Doing jobs most can’t or wouldn’t dream of doing.

    Would that you people damn the welfare leeches, crack heads meth addicts and mooching class sucking on the government teat as you do me…unlike those people….at least we contractors actually provide a service, we WORK honest jobs, and provide the US Government with the services end products it needs.

    Our R&D Budgets while seemingly large to layman out there, are drops in the proverbial buckets, but those same lean budgets have helped develop things like Burn Trauma Treatments, that is now widely used in the commercial applications, Rap-P-Diddy FunnkMaster caught himself another thugs bullet? He probably survived the trauma thanks to some of the R&D efforts contractors and military working towards better care for wounded soldiers created and is now widespread in trauma units across the land.

    Internet you are so enamored of, that you use to damn people like me wantonly and with out regard to facts, Google DARPA / Internet, ….despite claims of the contrary Al Fucking Gore did not ‘invent’ the internet, nor did Cisco or Microsoft, or IBM or Apple. The Military did, Contractors working on R&D projects for that same military did.

    We don’t have unions to tell us what we can do, or more importantly the customer what we won’t do…90% of the contracts out there currently are written in such a way that you don’t just do one job, you do as you are told to, nor do you get to pick and choose what work you will or will not do once you’re on a contract. They’re open ended “right to work” style contracts, I can hired or fired at the whim of the customer. I have no Union backing me up.

    Don’t want to do some grunt work? Fine here’s you ticket home, there’s another person behind you waiting to take your slot. For example somewhere in the Middle East right now is a “contractor” working in a non air conditioned warehouse, in 120 degree heat, moving and inventorying equipment. Grunt work, hot dirty, nasty grunt work.

    Know How I know this? Because that contractor is yours truly.. I’ve got a list of IT certifications as long as John Holmes pecker, a diploma mill called UoP all but gave me an Associates Degree just based on my “lifes experience and Certifications” I have over a DECADE of engineering expertise in long haul and SATCOM communications engineering.
    I have expert level experience in Cisco, Dell HP EMC and Microsoft disciplines that would put some college whiz kid and most of you here to shame and has more than once.
    But here I am working like a fucking mule,sweating in some cat piss soaked warehouse doing a shitty job, because…. the job must get done and there isn’t anyone else to do it. It wasn’t in my ‘contract’ But again, here I am getting the job done. Because it has to.

    Hell This is a cake walk I can actually get off work after another 12 hour day and go to the flat and have a cold one, once I change out of my sweat stained cat piss aroma clothes that is…. I’m grateful for that at least…because after this? it’s off to Afghanistan.

    Last month, even tho I am over seas for a majority of my time I yakked up 10 grand..in taxes.

    No that’s Not a typo, 10,000 Dollars in taxes. So fuck you all very much with your “cut the defense budget” bullshit. I get paid, but I put back far more in a month or two than probably any of you keyboard warriors do in year. We’ll not mention the money I spend when in the US, working on my house, paying people to do things I don’t have time to do, like building my garage or clearing my land, buying new things and putting that money back into an ailing economy.

    Tellingly, Technically I could have fudged some numbers, Made it look as if I qualified for certain exemptions and tax credits and not paid that tax. Just pocketed the money, rolled the dice and when and if the IRS leeches caught it said, “ooops, sorry. My bad”. And at the least had me a cool 30 or 40 K to play with interest free.
    I didn’t, I live my life based on honor, my situation precluded my exempting this income and I did the right thing about it…do you? Anyone here not cheating on their IRS forms a bit…suuuuureeeeeee. your not..

    Bought a house in 2006, Market tanked and I lost north of 50 grand on equity alone, house is still underwater and getting worse.

    But I’m still paying that mortgage every month, I’m still in the sand pit working like a dog to do it..see I signed a contract with GMAC when I bought that house. I owe the money I borrowed, I will meet my obligations.

    Would that half the people running around screaming about “contractors” have the integrity to do the same and not walk away from their McMansion homes because things aren’t turning out in their favor.

    Who’s the greedy fuck now? Me? Fuck You. Yeah I said it..fuck you.

    May I also mention that currently I support a family of three not including my wife, a family that while related by blood I had no responsibility to, Momma is my niece not my kid, those two little ones under my roof ….not my grandkids, but there I am supporting them because their liberal fucktard of a daddy couldn’t be bothered. The heroin was more important.
    The rest of the family who interestingly enough vote “D” To a fault are “too busy” with their sheltered little lives in the US…three less mouths on the public dole, trying to do the right thing as I see it….but by all means… damn those greedy ass contractors!! Hang them form the yardarm! Cut their jobs!!

    Yeah, I am a contractor, what of it? I’m proud of what I do, and anyone got something to say to me about…by all means….jump if yer feeling froggy …I double dog dare ya..

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder ;
    I just wanted to say thank you for what you are doing. I have a friend, his father was stuck in Saudi for eight years, described the place as a godforsaken shithole.
    No time off, you don’t go home on weekends………no booze…..
    My father, back during ‘Nam…the company he flew for, The Flying Tiger Line, was contracted by the government to transport freight to ‘Nam…..and bodies back……..my father rode in the left seat…..
    You could not mention the name Lyndon Johnson in his presence…..
    A long silent flight across the Pacific, a stretch eight bringing home her war dead……my father having served in the Army Air Corps in WW2…..he knew, he felt, and yes, he remembered too…..there is no point in standing at the door to welcome your passengers home……
    One of his best friends was blown to hell when their CL44 landed in a village near Da Nang, those sixteen foot props wiping it off the map….the aircraft exploding, the munitions within being set off…..
    He did relate experiences of taking small arms fire on takeoff rolls….he called it twenty millimeter. I said that ain’t small.
    A stretch eight can move fast when firewalled……
    Yeah…what some of you guys are asked to do….and what many of you do without being asked…..
    Just thanks, Guy…just thanks.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder:

    Thank you for your service, I wasn’t talking about cutting military, the resident marxist was.

    I was talking about the bureaucrats sitting on their asses in Washington, who can’t wait to damage America with one more regulation. Those people should be the first out the door.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    WE NEED PALIN. WE need guts and “WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET” people in office
    and this mess about COMPROMISE??

    NO. we don’t need COMPROMISE…that’s a Liberal philosophy which means THEY WIN.
    THERE is a right/ there is a wrong. THERE IS A foolish/ there is a WISE. WISE doesn’t compromise with foolish. WISE shows foolish the best paths for the goal they may both share…the betterment of AMERICA.

    Obama has 0 capacity to take on America’s problems today. PALIN/WEST will not only take them on, they will turn AMERICA around and everyone will love them (from both sides) because PALIN is not out for PALIN…she is out for AMERICA and that doesn’t mean 50% of the people…but ALL of the people…Read her books – go see THE UNDEFEATED

    The MSM and the far left loons under Satan Himself George Soros tried their best to kill her but they didn’t realize she is not just a WOMAN…she is the Heart and Soul of AMERICA.

    And Obama? Simply put, Zero is a Zero.

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    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    LC Ted says:

    I think that it’s funny that you went with the “You’re too stupid to plan for your retirment” meme. all progressive/Liberal thought starts with convincing people that they are too stupid to take care of themselfs. It is degrading, demoralizing and demeaning to their humanity and devaluing their worth as citizens.
    LC Ted recently posted..Read it and weep, for joy!

    Ted, that is the standard meme of the left. “Your too stupid to understand the benefits of communism”.
    As for me, I’m done with the civil discourse. No more smiling as some leftard tells me I’m to stupid to understand anything. No more playing nice. Hell, no more playing. If you want to understand more about the way I feel, hit the thingy where it says “recently posted”. I am DONE.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    The Constitution is not as much a rule book as it is a guideline.

    Yep. You’re a Democrat.

    You crave restrictions. Most Conservatives do.

    I guess you crave anarchy then. Until it infringes on your “right” to the perfect existence you’re owed.

    but will quickly want to tell some woman what she can or can’t do with her body,

    If said woman would take responsibility with “her own body” in the first place it would be a moot point.

    or what two men or two women can do in their bedroom.

    Nobody knew or cared about what happened in their bedrooms and vans and motel rooms and rest stop bathrooms until the pickle chuggers decided that the entire world was their bedroom.

    You climb up on the pedestal of righteousness…

    All the better to be heard by you whilst in your ivory tower.

    At least with a safety net like Social Security, and Medicare you’ll have something to keep you from being tossed out in the gutter when you get too old to work.


    Social Insecurity is nothing but a slush fund for plugging holes in government bureaucracy budgets. Medicrap short changes both doctors and patients far more that those mean ol’ insurance companies.

    What I was saying is that if you don’t want that safety net, then fine — don’t participate.

    As if participation is a choice.

    I’d rather cover ALL of my bases, thank you very much.

    With every one else being hammer locked by government goons into paying for your tarp.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    If your face was here I would — but it isn’t so you feel safe in making your idle threats. Same with that member you refer to. Everyone can be a tough guy on the computer.

    Seriously?… I made no “threats” to you personally or anyone else, and you know it, nice straw-man tho…here’s a match. …

    Read what I wrote, A threat would be “I’m coming to Washington state with a loaded gun and I’m going to shoot you” What I wrote is more of an “invitation” …of sorts. I don’t even see what I wrote as a Veiled Threat?

    “I can guarantee you a fight”…leaves a lot to the imagination..maybe we’ll stand in my front yard at 20 paces and draw flintlocks…(warning I cheat your powder probably has water in it…) but more or likely what I meant was I’ll fight you verbally tooth and nail then I’ll probably fix myself a drink and call you a moron.

    What no respect for the Nuance of my words here? Aren’t you all about nuance? :em05:

    I’m short on time…this ain’t over yet.

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    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Washington doesn’t listen to me any more than they listen to you. Shit, they don’t hear either one of us. I can only state what I would like to see or happen.

    Since your idea of what you would like to see happen is marxism, yeah, I will fight you tooth and nail.

    And since you have already threatened to rip someone’s head off and shit down their throat, you live in the biggest glass house in the world.

    but will quickly want to tell some woman what she can or can’t do with her body,

    While people of your ilk (marxists, please remember) do everything they can to kill off American Blacks.

    or what two men or two women can do in their bedroom.

    Maybe instead of enabling homosexuals, maybe you should support getting them help for their mental illness.

    Just another leftist cut and paster, you are.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Oh fer gawds sakes, I withdraw the term “fight” Let me rephrase, I fucking guarantee you an argument, heated and rancorous as it may be. There? Happy now,? Can you put your big boy pants on and quit pissing in your britches over my horrid threats already? :em04:

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    According to your directive, no doubt.

    :em05: Oh yes, it’s such a terrible thing to expect people to conduct themselves in a respectable, civilized manner rather than carrying on with the morals of alley cats. Of source that would interfere with the ability of the DNC to fatten their war chests with blood money from Planned Parenthood but, fuck ’em, let them have a bake sale. It would certainly go a long way in preventing savagery like this but I guess that’s a bad thing too, eh?

    I think that this would finally shut up those people who feel forced to participate in a “government-run program” They can go off and do whatever they want, while it still gives the rest of us the program that WE want.

    I’ve long advocated using the Chilean method to fix our Social Insecurity system. A pity the Donks don’t want to play ball since they like confiscating people’s lifeblood for their own ardor and avarice.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    In my perfect world, the military would be smaller, and they would be doing the work that contractors are doing right now — for much less cost to We, The Taxpayer. But that is MY perfect world, and it is probably never going to happen. But perchance to dream…

    More like America’s streets would be patrolled by foreign troops with powder blue helmets since we wouldn’t have a military of our own.

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    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Get this: The twelve year Republican Congress (which started in 1995 and concluded by 2007) raised the Debt Ceiling by $4 trillion. During the following four years that the Democrats had the Congress, the Ceiling was raised by a total of $5.3 trillion.

    Here it gets juicy: The Debt Ceiling under President Reagan was raised eighteen times to a total of $1.85 trillion This is less than the $3 trillion-plus already raised under President Obama! Raising the Ceiling 18 times during the eight Reagan years meant a Ceiling battle every 5.3 months (on average), with an average rise of only $102 billion per increase. So… does Obama really want to get the Reagan Treatment? Well… Em, ah, er.

    (Even after adjusting for inflation, Reagan got way less per increase than what Obama got — $1 trillion per pop for Obama, on average! In terms of the amount of times Reagan needed to ask for an increase, well… a year still has only twelve months in it just as it did twenty-thirty years ago. Reagan was forced to stand before Congress every 5.3 months asking for money, but Obama is not happy with the Republican House offer of a seven-eight month extension)

    An honest debate about the Ceiling is NOT how many times it was raised by this Congress or under that President. Instead, let’s see by how much it was raised; by how much more will we raise it, and how fast will we burn through the new debt.

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    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Here’s an idea: worry about your own morals, let the rest of us worry about ours. To each his own.

    Sure. What’s a few Charlie Mansons, Ted Bundys, and Vernon Howells running around? No biggie right?

    Y’know if you want to be more honest about liberal ‘morality’ you would have said “if it feels good, do it.” Fuck responsibility and the reality of cause and effect. Let people thoughtlessly run amok like spoiled adolescents. When they inevitably injure and kill themselves and others well, communist medicine will pick up the tab.

    Expect to see more of this when you choke money out of organizations like Planned Parenthood (whose main goal is to prevent unwanted pregnancies) and when you force hospitals and clinics to shut down or stop abortion procedures.

    :em05: Planned Parenthood created this kind of shit with their abortion zealotry. No one wants to challenge the abortion industry and the fake “right” to an abortion so things like this are ignored and swept under the rug to avoid the bad press. Funny how the media was so quick to push this story out of the news cycle wasn’t it?

    I am no fan of abortion — but then I am never going to be in that position so I am not going to be so arrogant as to tell someone else what to do with their body. I realize that abortion is going to happen with or without yours or my consent — legal or illegal. Ever since woman first conceived, there has been abortion. There always will be.

    By that logic we should abandon all pretense of law and order if they are just going to do it anyway. As for that bullshit copout of “tell someone else what to do with their body” tell that to someone whose loved ones have been killed by a drunk driver.

    It’s pretty much what progressives wanted in the Health Care system — a choice between public and private.

    :em05: What a pantload! Liberals want government to own and control every aspect of health care. They want to believe that they can have something for nothing and have no respect for the fact that heath care is the cumulative term for all goods and services dealing with and related to medicine. Same old attitude of “Gimme that, it’s mine!”

    But hey, sign up with the Chilean-style program if you want. Just know that they aren’t doing as well as the Right wing would like you to believe.

    Still a far better deal than the money pit slush fund that loses money call Social Security.

    I didn’t say that we’d do away with our military, we’d just shrink it down and focus on our defense, not running five different wars on some kind of military conquest. We could keep a large Reserve for emergencies, and that reserve could go back to living their lives as they did prior to Bush’s wars.

    Ah, an impotent force of paper soldiers like Europe that can’t even handle the fucking Balkans on their own of even the Don King of dictators, Muammar Gaddafi. Even with a domestic force that can handle all challengers who’s going to finance the clean up and rebuilding of a war on our soil? Who’s going to hand the US it’s Marshall Plan?

    Here’s another question for you. Who is going to step in the void should the US decide to pull out from every corner of the globe and hide under our beds? Russia? China?


    But oooo, the scary blue helmets. You did see where in my perfect world there wouldn’t be a UN, right? Or a GATT, WTO NAFTA, CAFTA, or any of that other bullshit.

    Pity that your perfect world pipe dreams count for squat in the real world, isn’t it? Or do you think you can make the aforementioned world bureaucracies disappear just by willpower?

  43. 43
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Do you not see how silly that is? It was almost as silly as when that other member here used to spout it religiously.

    And yet, for all of your whining, pissing, moaning & kvetching about “oooooooh, an Internet TOUGH GUY!!!!!!”, not a single one of you libtards have ever taken me up on it. Ever. Not even the local ones.

    Curious, that.

  44. 44
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    So much for hope and change. With the economy growing worse and worse the grand promises of Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign have faded as the reality of malaise takes hold.

    Mr. Obama has vowed to spend $1 billion in advertising dollars to counteract the effect his policies have had on the nation. The GOP’s campaign chief met with The Washington Times on Friday to discuss why that’s not going to work. “I think this [election] is a referendum on Barack Obama,” said Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Priebus. “The people in this country are going to ask themselves a question: ‘Am I better off than I was three or four years ago?’ And the answer is clearly no.”

    Candidate Obama’s pledge to go “line by line” through the budget to get the deficit under control has become little more than an inside-the-Beltway joke as his spending levels rival those of an Egyptian pharaoh. Even liberals feel betrayed on a number of pet causes like torture and Guantanamo Bay, and they’re jumping ship. The Pew Research Center for the People & the Press released a survey July 22 that found Republicans were making huge gains among white voters. In 2008, 46 percent of this demographic group sided with the GOP while 44 percent preferred Democrats. Today, the Republican advantage has grown to 13 points, with the biggest gains found among those under the age of 30.

    In other words, the young voters who once identified with the youthful, relatively unknown senator from Illinois are having a severe case of buyer’s remorse. The survey showed Republicans also made a small 2 percent gain among black voters, but larger inroads ought to be possible given the astonishing figure that 16.2 percent of blacks can’t find a job in Mr. Obama’s economy — double the figure for whites. “People are hurting,” said Mr. Priebus. “The problem that Obama has is that he has had results of his presidency, and these results are awful and people know it.”

    High unemployment, low growth and reckless spending sparked a Tea Party movement demanding real change. Some establishment types in Washington and New York have seen this as a threat. They’ve even taken to deriding Tea Party members as “Hobbits.” When he was leader of the Wisconsin GOP, Mr. Priebus attended and spoke at Tea Party rallies. “I don’t believe the Republican Party or the RNC is in competition with the conservative movement in America,” he explained. “We’re part of the conservative movement in this country.”

    As long as the focus remains on the Obama administration’s fiscal policies, conservatives are going to win the spending showdown. Our freedoms, in fact, depend on that victory. “We’re at an almost standstill in Washington debating about what we need to do to increase the credit card yet again because we need to pay our bondholders in China and we can’t possibly default,” Mr. Priebus explained. “This is a little glimpse of what it’s like when you have to surrender a little bit of your sovereignty… because we can’t get spending under control.”

    Mr. Obama should be nervous. There’s a focused leader at the helm of the RNC who’s committed to making sure “The One” is a one-termer.

  45. 45
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    Darth Venomous growls and barks:
    July 31, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Do you not see how silly that is? It was almost as silly as when that other member here used to spout it religiously.

    And yet, for all of your whining, pissing, moaning & kvetching about “oooooooh, an Internet TOUGH GUY!!!!!!”, not a single one of you libtards have ever taken me up on it. Ever. Not even the local ones.

    Curious, that.

    DV… you are the MAN. DJ is a pussy, a coward , a traitor and a wimp. You have repeatedly called him out, (as have I ) only to find a wimpering pussy whipped girly man. KEEP IT UP BUDDY !!! You have beat him at every turn . I salute you !!

  46. 46
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    I certainly wouldn’t ever presume to tell people what to do with their body either.

    Their body.

    It’s when they decide that their right to do with their body as they please somehow includes doing what they please with other’s bodies, such as the bodies of unborn infants who were press-ganged into this world, no chance of “opting out.”

    ABORTION stops a beating heart.


  47. 47
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Strange, I seem to recall one guy who DID try to take you up on it, and you failed to show. The long, but hilarious exchange is still available online.

    Yeah, and it’s a funny thing, too. Six years later, and he still hasn’t shown up.

    Neither has that $66.

    Neither has the “person” who offered it, “Von Vockerman” – sockpuppet douchebag that he is.

    But then, that’s typical libtardia for you, isn’t it?

    I have forgotten all about this — it was funny then, and it is still funny six years later. It exposes just how silly your “Come Tell It To My Face™” actually was. It was “safe” for you to bellow out something like that, knowing that most people aren’t going to show up.

    All it’ll take to call my bluff is one, isn’ t it?

    But hey, not even a local chickenshit one county over would take me up on it. Waited for him all fucking afternoon, too. Never showed. Just like your honeyboy Mykki Chickenshit.

    It’s what I’ve come to expect from the left, after all.

    The point is, you can be all you want to be and then some online, where you think it is safe, but if you rattle the wrong guy, and he does take you up on this, you’ll fold like a cheap suit.

    Sure, most of the time nobody is going to take you up on your idle boasts. Not even someone who could walk to your house. Why? Because it is recognized as an idle boast — a “My dad can beat up your dad” kinda thing.

    Was this Mykeru guy serious in meeting you halfway? Who knows? Probably not. But he was able to point out that you were just as full of hot air as he was.

    So call my bluff. Hell, you’ve got the money – you pay for his trip down here.

    See if he’ll bring his inflatable dolls, too – that’ll make for a good pic with ’em shoved up his ass.

  48. 48
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    Here’s an idea: worry about your own morals, let the rest of us worry about ours. To each his own.

    Again, I say , you have no morals, you only have situational ethics.

    You know, the kind that says that’s it’s ok to steal from the rich, and give to the government.

  49. 49
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    Because why, big fella? Oh that’s right, you were supposed to meet him halfway. YOU wanted him to make the entire trip your place.

    Well, either-or, make up your mind.

    Better yet, let me refresh your memory. I never agreed to any sort of “Nashville compromise”

    [No, Deej, you cowardly little liberal hippie fuck, you do need my permission for this, and it isn’t forthcoming. Don’t do it again. -Venomous]

    The way I saw it, if “Von Vockerman” was willing to plop down “$66” for me to…what? Spend 12-18 hours driving straight up there, fight (assuming Mykki even showed up in the first place), and then drive home? Really?

    And I said as much at the time, and we never heard from “Von Vockerman” again. That’s curious, too.

    I’m still waiting for that $66, by the way.

    You just looked like a fool, keeping on with the charade. You need to let it go.

    Hey, you were the one who brought it up in this thread. All I did was respond to it.

    For what, so you could call the cops on him for making a 1200 mile trip to bitch-slap you?

    Why would I call the cops on someone I’d just invited to make that sort of trip? C’mon, Dr. Freud, you’re the expert here – explain it to us.

    Dude, nobody is going to come to your house from half a country away just because you dared him to. If they do, then you have a MUCH more serious problem on your hands than a simple argument. It has nothing to do with being “scared” or anything like that, it’s just that there is nothing said here that is worth the energy of traveling so far just to satisfy a junior high grudge.

    You’re telling me. I can’t even get ’em to come over from the next county.

    But that’s kind of the point, in case you were having any trouble figuring that out. Big shits from behind the keyboard, not so much in public without the anonymity.

    And frankly, if you lose your temper over crap that is said on a website, from people you have absolutely zero knowledge of outside of this site, then what does that say about you?

    Um…that maybe I won’t take shit from anyone? Do I really have to explain these things?

    As much as you’d deny it here, if someone had shown up at your place unannounced, or had followed you to a remote place before they confronted you, you would probably wet yourself.

    You know how you sniffed to Gladiator that he doesn’t know what you think earlier in this thread? You really don’t know me that well – or anyone else here, for that matter.

    You may think that psychology degree of yours gives you some special insight about us, but you might consider going back to that university and asking for your money back.

    Mostly because they were smart enough to get the drop on you.

    And yet, strangely, no one ever has. You would think that, with a bluff waiting so tantalizingly to be called, that someone would’ve taken me up on it. I mean, I’ve been doing this for 10 or 11 years now (yeah, even before getting into the blogosphere), so some liberal bad-ass should’ve been game to take me up on it, right? Think of the frivolity, the hilarity that would ensue!

    “Sadly, no”, to quote some of your friends.

    This is just common sense, and you know it. And so do most people here. I know for a long time it was the Lord Spatula trade mark, the “Come Say It To My Face™” thing, but after a while it just gets old.

    Which is why you don’t see me doing it much any more. It does get old proving my point time after time after time after time…

    But I remind you that you were the one that brought it up here. I only responded to it, that’s all.

  50. 50
    LC LOBO growls and barks:

    I know enough to be smart. You see, I don’t have to leave my chair to ruin your life in so many ways that you haven’t even thought of. A person can be quite creative given the time and motivation.

    And there it is. That there tells me that I need to look long and hard about commenting here anymore.

  51. 51
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    LC LOBO says:

    I know enough to be smart. You see, I don’t have to leave my chair to ruin your life in so many ways that you haven’t even thought of. A person can be quite creative given the time and motivation.
    And there it is. That there tells me that I need to look long and hard about commenting here anymore.

    I think that is enough of a threat that it should be reported to the proper authorities.

  52. 52
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Flag on the play. quoting out of context, 10 yard penalty, loss of down. you don’t pull this sort of thing when Misha says things -identical- in wording.

    seriously, what is wrong with you today? you’re being even more unpleasant that usual. Uncomfortably so. And I mean “Man, I’m not really sure I want to be anywhere near this guy, and where is the ‘unsubscribe button.” kind of way.

  53. 53
    Muzzy growls and barks:

    At this point, I find it apropos to post the link to

    [snip, snip]

    And even if this post is deleted and I get banned straight after, other people will have seen it before Spatula edits it. That alone makes it all worth while.

    [That’s right, fuckhead – and, just like I promised you six years ago, here’s your vacation.

    Enjoy it, chumpette. -Venomous]

  54. 54
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Also, as an aside, there are a lot of people on this list who are in poor heath. or perhaps people like Caveman, who’s getting to watch his beloved die by inches, every. fucking. day.

    I don’t see Caveman stooping to your current antics.

  55. 55
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    Oh, and while I’m thinking about it, I’m fond of ham and pineapple, and the papa johns up the street is pretty good.

  56. 56

    I’m feeling the urge for Italian. Feel free to send me a pizza, Deej.

    And for crying out loud, CALM DOWN, people. We’re all supposed to be friends here. A family. Remember?

  57. 57

    I have a crazy aunt who once sent me a coconut. No packaging, just the coconut, addressed with a Magic Marker and the stamps taped on.

    She still denies to this day that it was she who actually sent it, but I know better.

    Oddly enough, I didn’t call the cops, and I still love her dearly!

  58. 58

    I think we need to send out an order for some new trolls. Too damn much fighting in the kennels.

  59. 59
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    so, to make sure I understand correctly, if I’m enough of a pain in the ass, I get a pizza, but I dont get to pick what -kind- of pizza. I’m ok with that. There’s very little I wont eat on a pizza. And besides, free food!

    So, how much of a dick do I have to be to get my free food?

  60. 60

    Lady M-ITT™-Imperial Sniper G.L.O.R says:

    I think we need to send out an order for some new trolls. Too damn much fighting in the kennels.

    Yep. There’s a few pups here that need some crate time.

  61. 61
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    but… but…-free pizza-….


  62. 62

    (Drives by,, Deej has his ego out polishing it again,, drives on..)

  63. 63
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing growls and barks:

    Lady M-ITT™-Imperial Sniper G.L.O.R says:

    I think we need to send out an order for some new trolls. Too damn much fighting in the kennels.

    I was kinda wondering when you would weigh in on this, It went from us presenting our sides ( aka calling Dj an Idiot…LOL) to this.

    Looks like some people need a time out in the Game Room

  64. 64
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    10 yards of prime fertilizer for -free-? again, where do I sign?

  65. 65
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    oh, did I forget to mention I have no sense of smell, and I hate my neighbors with the fire of a thousand burning suns?

  66. 66

    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing says:

    I was kinda wondering when you would weigh in on this

    Well the chest beating and crotch grabbing is amusing for awhile….but it does tend to get freaking annoying quickly. I suggest all said parties go sit in an out of the way spot and take a nap.

    That’s a very nice way of saying..“Cut it the f*ck out!” :em07:

  67. 67
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    DJ – you know damn well that was hyperbole. Badly thought out, and poorly written, but hyperbole. OR maybe metaphor. But not literal, and you know it. Now put down the shit stirring stick, seriously.

    side note, I could really use the fertilizer, if you’re feeling generous.

  68. 68
    Darth Venomous growls and barks:

    So I see that, while I was busy trying to earn a living last night, Deej has played his “po’, po’ pitiful me” & “WAAAAAH!!! Spats is a meanie” cards, mixed in with a little (extremely little) humor about the prospect of dumping a ton of cow crap on my driveway (BTW, I don’t own a driveway)…and once again, y’all have fallen for it. (“Crate time”?)

    I find it ironic (hmm, there’s that word again) that Deej bitches at me for jumping into a conversation where I wasn’t mentioned by name (of course, we all knew whom he was referring to, don’t we?), then goes & bitches at Lobo for a post on his blog where…well, where Deej himself apparently wasn’t specifically mentioned by name.

    And while it was Deej that was clearly throwing the tantrum yesterday (and I’m not the only one who recognized it), I’m the one who gets called the “child” with the “junior high mentality”. This despite the fact I haven’t even raised my blog voice so much as once in this entire thread. (Well, maybe towards Muzztard, but he deserves it on principle.)

    Moreover, I find it odd that he whines about me remembering shit that he did five years ago (the “kiddie script” thing)…then goes and bitches about my own quote-mod and post-deleting…stuff I haven’t done in…what, five, six years?

    PotKettleBlack™ much, Deej?

    Hell – I haven’t even uttered “CSITMF™” so much as one time. Gotta be a record for me, huh?

    Despite it all, Deej gets the sympathy vote here and I – with problems of my own that you’ll never hear about (because they’re my problems, not yours, and other folks here have worse, besides) – get cast as the fucking villain.

    Again. (sigh)

    I s’pose I should take some comfort in: 1) that at least some guys here recognize Deej’s shtick for what it is, and 2) that Misha hasn’t dropped the hammer and thrown us all out of here in a fit of pique. (Which he would be perfectly justified in doing, given that it is his blog ‘n all.)

    So this is my last word on the whole thing, at least in here. I will once again promise to disappear into the background…and unlike some in here I know, I will actually keep that word once again. (Ooooh, we’re talking about someone else in here without mentioning his name! Wonder who?)

    Now, what I fully expect to happen is this: Deej will post what may or may not be a witty response where he once again casts me in the role of the juvenile who can’t “let it go” (and thereby demonstrating that it’s he himself who possesses the inability to detach) and who thinks myself supposedly “invincible” (I’m not, lemme tell you), and who would supposedly piss my pants if one of his crazy libtard honeyboys were somehow to “get the drop” on me. Ad infinitum, ad nauseam.


    What-fucking-ever, Deej. What-fucking-ever.

    I’m out. So long.

  69. 69
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    “If you had just let it alone, this thread would have been dead by now.”

    “If you had just let me have the last word, this thread would have been dead by now.”


    Oh, And while I’m thinking about it…

    “NO. There ARE some things that are sacred, lines you really don’t cross. It is like talking about fucking your mother, and shit like that. Now you might be alright with that, but I am not. To me, that makes a person about the same level as a child molester.”

    -you- of all people, want to talk about having ‘sacred lines you really dont cross’?! Color me incredulous.

    And while I happen to think gladiator is a bit of an idiot, his comment is no worse in color and tone than many others I’ve seen on this blog. You’re just pissed because he was right, Misha -did- school your ass on that particular point. So you’re taking your spleen out on Gladiator, because you can.

    ‘Crate time’ is all well and good folks, but lets make sure the right hounds wind up in the right crates.

  70. 70
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Jumping Jelly beans on a pogo stick!

    Talk about a thread going off the rails, what was it that started all of this? Oh..yeah me. :em07:

    I’ll never see much eye to eye with our ITW but I will ‘fight” his statements, and yeah would that he “CSITMF” I’d probably cuss him just as hard and just as ‘loud’ as I do here.

    I’ll leave it to the Rotties to decide if my original words carried some overt threat, perhaps they can be perceived as did, I didn’t really intend them to, I didn’t really mean to associate the DV saga in it’s entirety with what I was saying, so chalk that correlation of terms up to bad word choices.

    Now having said that; Here is my parting shots on this subject. I’ll not answer the ITW further on it, he has his views, I have mine and I’ll leave it that.

    The basic premise of the argument is that we need to cut defense and in particular the people like me AKA ‘defense contractors”

    I disagree heatedly with that argument on the following facts.

    1. The defense budget as a percentage of the GDP really hasn’t increased alarmingly over the decades, yes there is a ton of money spent, and I will admit there is some fat in some of the contracts, but the Majority of the ones over here, on the tip of the spear are rather lean. Liberal Democrats like the ITW would have you believe this’ fat’ problem is the norm and I am telling you it is not. For Example
    a. My last task I worked on was a crew of 4 two network two systems, we were working an Enterprise level had no help desk and few lower technicians we covered an entire AOR. When I say AOR I mean from Afghanistan to the horn of Africa, we had some forward deployed personnel obviously to fix hardware and to stream line things somewhat but the majority of the heavy lifting across the entire Enterprise was done by 4 people. Thinks about that for a second. Think of the abilities and the skills it takes to pull something of that magnitude off.

    2. People like me, those “dirtbag” contractors bring a very important metric into the argument of “the troops can do the same job cheaper” And simply put, they *could* in some ways, provided you spend 2 years of so with them in schools and training environments. The would know the basics enough maybe to make a go of things. However coma, with the average enlistment of only 4 years does it really become cost effective? No it doesn’t. There is a word here that ensures my job security in this field. It’s called experience. 15 years of it working in a mostly pure military focused IT environment.

    3. The military networks while the underpinnings work the exact same as the Internet you are used to, is different, once it leaves the backbone, it becomes somewhat of it’s own entity and there are certain protocols and standards only used by the military. Again, dealing with this sort of thing take years of in depth hands on experience, much of which a new troop will not have by time his enlistment is up.

    4. The dreaded “contractors making so much money” really aren’t our base salaries are set in accordance with..go figure DOL rates for the most part, there are times this rule doesn’t apply but for the most part that is the rule of thumb, my base salary is less than what a person of my skill set would have been making during the .com era in the late 90’s. That is fact and I’ll put money where my mouth is on it, I’ll redact much of it but if anyone wants to see my base salary I’ll put up an earning statement. As I mentioned earlier there is no Time and a half pay on these contracts, I’ve only worked one contract that I got time and a half for anything over 40 hours, and that was a state side contract in VA.

    :em08: I’ll have to write more later, I just got called out to work, so I’m out of time…there is more to say so I will do it later.

  71. 71
    lc purple raider growls and barks:

    You see, I don’t have to leave my chair to ruin your life in so many ways that you haven’t even thought of. A person can be quite creative given the time and motivation.

    Like I said before, resident marxist, ruining someones life from your chair would be considered a threat.

    And I would just love for you to try.

    I do know the way to Seattle.

  72. 72
    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    Get the hell out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Yemen, and anywhere else we have a presence.

    We are, we just closed down a program in Iraq, why do you think I am working in a cat piss soaked warehouse in 120 inventorying all the equipment that came off of that particular project in Iraq? And that is only one there are hundreds of them drawing down in Iraq as we speak. It is Telling tho and AS WARNED OF IN THE PAST, violence is creeping back in Al-Sadar is shooting his mouth off, and the Shia factions vying for control of the country are again, as predicted flexing their muscle. Did we draw down too early? That’shard to say, no crystal ball here, but I see Iran and it’s Majority Shia movement becoming a major problem for Iraq’s very young government in the near future.

    Afghanistan is drawing down as per Ear Leaders dictates, read the paper.

    Yemen? What the handful of advisory people there?

    And on and On it goes, “pull it all back”, Gee what a Great idea! /sarc

    Wait, do what? You mean leave an 50 + year ally like South Korea to fend for itself I suppose?
    Or are you going to argue the point that Kim Il Dunce Whatever his number is gonna play nice if we back out? That worked so well in Vietnam now didn’t it? The Communist Hordes in the North were paragons of civil…..Oh wait, Never mind. Of course should ol’ Kim get froggy he might have a surprise or two waiting for him south of the border, the ROK’s as we affectionately call them in military circles ain’t no push overs.

    Back to my original thoughts here; just a couple more points I’ve said my piece on this.

    Contracting numbers always explode under the Democrats, Why? Simple, boiled down to a lowest denominator, because they keep gutting the military, and have absolutely beyond any notion of a doubt put a military draft off the table.

    Troop draw downs, peace dividends, burn your draft cards, do more with less on and on goes the mantra, well Guess what?

    The liberal democrats helped create that contractor culture with that thinking. When the shit hits the fan as it did on 9-11 SOMEONE has to do the job, the military is too small these days to do it. Enter a contractor. Be it a cook, diesel mechanic, or a Network Engineer…a contractor is doing it because there ain’t enough people in Uniform any longer.

    A point here, What many really fail to realize is what life is like in the military, in addition to a “job” they specialize in there are requirements that have to be met, be it small arms qualification, job training, combat operations, or sexual harassment prevention training or going in front of a board for their next promotion the troops in uniform are BUSY folks, and there isn’t enough hours in the day to do it all, nor as I said above, are there enough uniforms to do it all. It’s easy to rail about the military / contractors and it’s budget but until you live that life, you’re simply blowing a bunch of hot air, because today’s military is no picnic as jobs go nor are contracting jobs.

    I’ve said it before, I got out under Cllnton when at 10 years I had to make a choice, waste more time in a dead end career created by the troop drawdown, or look for another living..I did, and almost overnight I became a contractor. Easiest thing I ever did, and save a pittance of a retirement at 20 years, was the best move I ever made.

    Thousands of Americans have made that same choice. So don’t come whining now about the contractors. YOUR PARTY is at least 50+ % of the reason there is so many of them and if viewed objectively since the Regan years, the figure would probably be well north of 80%

    And they’re at it again, by some accounts the Defense budget is going to bear a full HALF of the so called cuts they are yammering about or roughly 450 billion dollars in cuts, tied to the recent bill passed to raise Obamas Visa limit. That means less troops and less contractors, A whole lot less….in fact I wouldn’t be surprised to see the unemployment rate notch up at least another .2 -.3 % over the next year as troops get out and people like me are laid off only to find no state side jobs in this lousy economy.

    I’ll make a deal, for the Liberals….450 billion dollars comes out of defense….sure you betcha, just as soon as 450 billion dollars gets cut from foreign aid.

    Funny how I never hear a single Liberal Democrat screaming about that little pot of money that gets pissed away, but give an American a Job, as a contractor, a troop a little bit better quality of life and you fuckers are screaming like banshees. “WE CANT AFFORD IT…” Yeah well fuck you too… I cant afford my tax dollars funding the aid going to third world shit holes like the Sudan and Ethiopia….

    On the point made about “let someone else do it” They do, Many countries work closely with US Defense contracting companies, buy equipment, hire US workers, and start and maintain huge projects with them, It’s called an FMS Case or Foreign Military Sales. Ever heard of it? Probably not, it doesn’t get much air time that those sorts of projects happen….mostly because it takes the wind out of liberal arguments like “let someone else do / pay for it”.

    In the end damn me and the contractors if you must, but chances are somewhere is a kid sitting smoking dope and railing against the “military industrial complex” on a college campus that is only doing so because there is no draft, and countless Americans stand ready and are making the sacrifice needed to support a woefully understaffed military.

    But yeah we’re all a bunch of scum bag greedy assholes ….you betcha.

    I think I shall now go tinker with my beloved chariots…seems I have a way of ruffling some feathers around here when I post…Mheh.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    I went back to look for gladiator’s little malaprop , but could not find it. Not that important I suppose, but I wanted to re-read it, just to see if I was perhaps missing something. Anyhow, moving on.

    So, Gladiator said some incredibly stupid things. Nobody’s disputing that. You insist on stomping your feet and saying ‘but he really meant it’. And that’s the problem. We both know that he did not mean it. Stupid? oh god yes.

    The idea that you could even condone or accept that kind of behavior speaks volumes about you.

    I know. Forgiveness and Compassion are both virtues, but I try not to wave my virtues in other people’s faces.

    If Gladiator had said such things to me, I would have replied “I realize you are attempting to be funny, but that was not funny, and I would like an apology.”

    Now, if Gladiator decided to be a tool after that… well, that’s a different story. But I’m not going to run around with a size 10 knot in my panties because someone who’s not terribly well spoken to begin with said something rude, and stupid.

    You, on the other hand, seem to be perfectly content to use it in your arguments as leverage, which tells me it must not upset you that much.

    See, you have this fantasy idea that all of us Liberals are pansy-waisted hippies who run around spreading flowers on everything hoping that Peace and Love will conquer all things bad.

    You must be on some -amazingly- good drugs.

    You want truth? Liberals scare the fucking crap out of me. They’re convinced they know what’s best for me, and they’re going to give it to me,Good and Hard. whether I want it or not. At gunpoint, even. And if their Glorious Five Year Plan does not work? they’ll blame me, and try the same approach again, only ‘do it Harder this time’.

    Liberals come in all stripes, a bit like skunks in that fashion ( and others).

    Where I come from, we kill things for various reasons. Sometimes it is just fun.

    Must be nice. I’ve never killed anything for fun. Closest I’ve ever gotten is being paid a dime a piece to kill squirrels to prevent them from getting into houses, eating wires, and causing house fires. Yes, I had fun.

    However, given the context of the argument we’re having, one can’t help but wonder what you might be implying in regards to ‘killing things for fun’…

    But we also have a tendency to take care of those who offend us.

    You aint kidding, either. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Che,… the list goes on. Liberals are -very good- at ‘taking care of’ those who would offend them.

    You don’t rob us, you don’t steal from us

    No, of course not. and Liberals -never- do that. You just ‘spread the wealth around’.

    don’t mess with our children, you don’t disrespect a man’s mother, and you don’t fantasize about raping a man’s wife and killing his kids. Even in jest.

    Oh, never, not ever. I’d never do something like what happened to the Palin family. Or any other of the horrific personal attacks in that vein your philosophical and political fellow travellers might have engaged in.

    As a side note, I can’t help but notice you’re imputing motives and behaviors to gladiator we both know he does not have. I”m fairly certain he does not fantasize about such things, nor has he ever. What I find disturbing is that I am fairly certain that you know this as well. Which means you have another motive for promoting this particular untruth. I wonder what that reason might be.

    before you say ‘what untruth’ I’ll answer you. There are two.

    1. You state that gladiator really meant those statements literally. This is untrue. You are not the Amazing Kreskin, and you do not have the power to read mens minds. In less charitable circumstances, your statement would be called a lie.

    2. You also state that gladiator wrote that he, himself would do/wished to do/had done those things. That is a lie. I would quote the exact text, but I can’t find it.

    P.S. Copies of this page have been saved elsewhere, just in case.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    @ Post 125

    Nice rebuttal :em01:

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    Where I come from, we kill things for various reasons. Sometimes it is just fun.

    I guess this explains the liberals’ penchant for abortion, then.

    As I see it: Snarl is right; DJ is wrong and making a mountain out of a molehill; Gladiator is prone to hyperbole and saying stupid stuff; Roguetek is making sense; no one is really threatening anyone. Ultimately, “they” are all roughly the same size.

    Get over yourselves, guys.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Grammar Czar says:

    As I see it: Snarl is right; DJ is wrong and making a mountain out of a molehill; Gladiator is prone to hyperbole and saying stupid stuff; Roguetek is making sense; no one is really threatening anyone. Ultimately, “they” are all roughly the same size.

    Get over yourselves, guys.

    Sounds like a pretty damn accurate summary to me, Grammar Czar.

    And yes, I’m getting mightily sick and tired of being called on to referee on these stupid dick swinging contests because, quite frankly, that ain’t the fucking reason I started this site. If I wanted that kind of bullshit, I’d have opened a chat room on IRC.

    I. Am. Fucking. Tired. Of. It.

    To the point where I’m beginning to wonder about the damn “off” button.


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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    In hopes of hijacking this thread, and thus changing the direction……. Is anyone else having any problems with the site? The main page seems to be stuck where it was a couple of days ago, the only way I’m seeing updates and new comments and such is to log into the topics.

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    LC CiSSnarl5.7 Chariot Builder growls and barks:

    @ Post 128

    And yes, I’m getting mightily sick and tired of being called on to referee on these stupid dick swinging contests because, quite frankly, that ain’t the fucking reason I started this site. If I wanted that kind of bullshit, I’d have opened a chat room on IRC.

    I. Am. Fucking. Tired. Of. It.

    Misha, ITW, And Rotties, My humble apologies for my poor choice of words at the outset which started the ensuing conflagration.

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    Grammar Czar growls and barks:

    The main page seems to be stuck where it was a couple of days ago, the only way I’m seeing updates and new comments and such is to log into the topics.

    Clearing out the cache will help. It may be an issue with the latest version of Firefox. I have to clear the cache each time to get the newest postings.

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    Mike M growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan and Grammar Czar

    The only way I can see new posts and comments is to hit “Refresh” each time I come to the site. I’m having the same problem with both my desktop and laptop (and they’re each running a different version of Firefox).