…and then we want to round up the entire Pima County Sheriff Dept., particularly their inept commander, Sheriff Nudnik (you know, the one who immediately blamed conservatives for the massacre performed by the raving loon Jared Loughner, THAT one), seal them in the hold and scuttle the damn thing above the Mariana Trench. (H/t LC Cortillaen).

To recap, Nudnik’s mall ninjas execute a no knock warrant on the home of Marine Jose Guerena, one of the moron ninjas have a negligent discharge and the Pima County Rambo Department proceed to hose the house down randomly with at least 70 rounds, murdering Jose Guerena.

Unfortunately, the murdering swine didn’t manage to kill any of their own. This would have been one case where I’d fully approve of “friendly fire”, but that never happens when you need it.

Of course, true to form, Nudnik’s department has changed their stories more times than Lindsay Lohan’s been high and it’s doubtful that we’ll ever get a straight story unless somebody beats it out of their Neanderthal stormtrooper skulls.

We’d approve of that too.

We’d say more, but right now we need to get our damn blood pressure down to the point where we’re not in danger of exploding, so you’ll have to excuse us for now.

Thatisall.

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Tallulah
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Tallulah
May 19, 2011 01:05

I can’t watch that before I go to bed, but may the “sheriff” of Pima County find his future home in a hot hurry? If you need something to buck up your spirits, try this: an autistic fellow was singing the Star Spangled Banner in Fenway Park, and he had a little trouble with it. Watch what happens next —… Read more »

LC Scott
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May 19, 2011 02:37

That entire department needs to be interrogated with Rosie-O’s rotten dildo till they all look like goatse.

LC Gunsniper
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LC Gunsniper
May 19, 2011 04:54

Murder one charges for Sheriff Dummkopf and his goon squad with the death penalty upon a “guilty” verdict.

Light29ID
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Light29ID
May 19, 2011 08:16

Again, I ask the question, where is the outrage?

Indiana SC rules the cops can go into your hose without a warrant.

Where is the outrage?

The DoJ will not prosecute violent cases that involve “minorities”.

Where. Is. The. Outrage?

LC Roguetek
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LC Roguetek
May 19, 2011 08:25

oh the outrage is out there. It’s just not reported. You see, it ‘doesn’t fit the narrative’…

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
May 19, 2011 09:14

Light29ID says: Where. Is. The. Outrage? It’s burning, not so quietly, in the guts of most Americans … more so with every day. The outrageous abuses of government power and arrogant attitude of those who commit the abuses are being noticed by the even the most apolitical in our society, and fueling those who already took some interest to get… Read more »

LC Draco
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May 19, 2011 09:20

I posted somewhere that a “no knock entrance” to my house equals someone being dead. It may be me, it may be more than me. I would have to think that some, if not most, no knock entries put LEOs in more danger than not? Unless you are going in with good blueprints, flash bangs, and a decent team. And… Read more »

LC Old Dog
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May 19, 2011 10:38

Has anyone seen the stories about the left wing kooks (BIRM) in Pima county that want to form the new state of Baja Arizona out of said Pima county?

Reading the above do you wonder why the rest of the state would be more than happy to let them go? :em01:

MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
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MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
May 19, 2011 10:57

If you come to my house uninvited and bust down my door, you will be prospected for a lead mine. This SWAT herd has to be as close to incompetent as a monkey fucking a football on the northbound train on the southbound line. The Marines and soldiers in theater have to play by very precise rules. I guess cops… Read more »

bruce
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bruce
May 19, 2011 11:18

i keep a shot gun right beside my bed and it is loaded with flechettes these rounds will penetrate a vest.they may kill me but i will get at least one of these nazi bastards so maybe next time they will knock on the door with a warrant.

Teufelhunden_JD
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Teufelhunden_JD
May 19, 2011 12:25

Disgusting. The Marine checked his fire, or there would be a couple of headless cops in Tucson right now, and through massed firepower and sheer incompetence they shot him anyway. Like many here, I doubt I would have given them the benefit of the doubt, and you can bet I’m not using a .556. bruce – hope you don’t like… Read more »

Teufelhunden_JD
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Teufelhunden_JD
May 19, 2011 12:27

Grrr. I wouldn’t use a 5.56 either. Stupid touchscreens.

LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E.
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From everything I’ve read, sounds like sheer incompetence and criminal negligence from the top on down. The AZ AG needs to investigate this, both the shooting and the entire department, pronto.

LC SleepTech
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LC SleepTech
May 19, 2011 14:20

How many of you still believe the Cops, Police, Officers, SWAT, etc…. will be on yOU’Re side when the SHTF??? They’re not on our side NOW!!! (Remember, I do NOT include ANY Rottie Enforcement here.) Once is negligence/ incompetence. Twice is still forgivable…. maybe. A metric shitload of times in the last few years is a pattern. “Law Enforcement” has… Read more »

Light29ID
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Light29ID
May 19, 2011 14:22

Response to LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. @:

Don’t hold your breath Crunchie. Holder will have their backs. The Sheriff is (D) after all.

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator
May 19, 2011 14:25

The southeastern states ( that the LIBS Hate) plus Texas need to leave the UNION and form a new country. The old ones too FUBAR

LC SleepTech
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LC SleepTech
May 19, 2011 14:34

Response to LC Gladiator @:

Agree totally!

Light29ID
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Light29ID
May 19, 2011 14:53

Response to LC Gladiator @:

It’ll be more than just the South Gladiator. More like every county east of the Sierra Nevada and the Cascades to the banks of the Mississippi.

LC Draco
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May 19, 2011 15:12

I would like to see how ‘no knock entrances’ work in Fayetteville, NC outside Ft Bragg. It is only a matter of time before some LEO gets killed by a guy with a little bit of training and PTSD, just trying to defend his home. Hell, I hear a noise and I grab my sidearm w/ taclight and check every… Read more »

MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
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MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
May 19, 2011 16:04

Response to LC Draco @:

It does hear in NC Draco.

Semper Fi

MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
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MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster
May 19, 2011 16:08

Besides, the guys breaking in are not armed as well as I am………just sayin’

Semper Fi

BTW,……lets figure out how to buy the old Arkiie and hunt pirates with her.

LC Draco
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May 19, 2011 16:22

MasterGuns…I agree. Normal SWAT and basic LEOs do not have the training or experience a lot of us have….and if you are like me, the first thing you did on choosing a house was partnered with defensive positions, what walls to shoot thru if you had to, choice of weapons/ammo locations in what rooms, and, , rearranging furniture and indoor… Read more »

Teufelhunden_JD
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Teufelhunden_JD
May 19, 2011 17:51

Draco – I’m doing one better, going to custom build. Used Jeff Cooper’s advice for much of it, along with some of my own worst-case entry scenario training. You’d be amazed what steel reinforced insulated concrete forms can do to screw up tactical options, and it doesn’t cost much more than wood and drywall once you’re going the custom route… Read more »

LC Draco
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May 19, 2011 18:40

Teuf..the best thing I learned in my experience…tool to match the situation. Seems you are on it!!! BTW…the mind and situational understanding are the things that will keep you alive. People talk about Sun Tzu as the be all end all. I told a certain senior officer he was an idiot if he had not read Musashi’s, ‘A Book of… Read more »

Lizard, G.L.O.R.
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Lizard, G.L.O.R.
May 19, 2011 21:39

The problem is that the officers have changed their stories what 4 or 5 times now. He shot at us, then realized balistics would prove otherwise he didn’t shoot at us. We didn’t announce ourselves, no wait we did announce ourselves. We announced ourselves and he told us he was going to get us so we fired. They were serving… Read more »

LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E.
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I may not survive, but I won’t go alone.

Chuck
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Chuck
May 20, 2011 01:22

LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:

I may not survive, but I won’t go alone.

Agreed!

LC Xystus
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May 20, 2011 03:37

LC Draco:

I told a certain senior officer he was an idiot if he had not read Musashi’s, ‘A Book of Five Rings”!! HERE Tzu is good for strategic ops…Musashi is tactical and operational!!

I started on the Book of Five Spheres years ago but have yet to get back to it.

BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
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BigDogg - Imperial Thread Killer (ITK)
May 20, 2011 06:15

@ Draco … Texas is a Castle Doctrine state. Fire away!

LC Anniee451
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LC Anniee451
May 20, 2011 07:12

Lizard, G.L.O.R. says: The problem is that the officers have changed their stories what 4 or 5 times now. Good God. Am I reading this right? They stormed this marine’s house and murdered him. The government. What the FUCK? “Something or someone had put them onto this guy.” Yeah, anyone can do that. I don’t see how it makes a… Read more »

LC Anniee451
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LC Anniee451
May 20, 2011 07:13

And considering who this guy is – the fucking Nudnick guy, I don’t trust jack SHIT that he says. He’s a liar and a deludenoid of the first order, and he should have been FIRED after the Loughner escapade.

Library Czar
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May 20, 2011 11:49

The initial report was that they went to the wrong address. Then the story has changed 4 or 5 times. The wife reported that he was alive when they dragged her from the home but they refused to allow medics on the scene to attend to him. Sounds like government sanctioned murder to me.

LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret
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LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret
May 20, 2011 13:26

Tallulah says: If you need something to buck up your spirits, try this: an autistic fellow was singing the Star Spangled Banner in Fenway Park, and he had a little trouble with it. Watch what happens next – http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/something_wonderful_true.php I’m not commenting on the Pima County Not so Special Weapons and Tactics team as it appears they fail on both… Read more »

LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret
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LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret
May 20, 2011 13:43

OK, never mind, I’m going to agree with Dave (hey, everyone get off the floor, it ain’t the first time). When something goes down and a minor little dealer gets popped, the detectives are not satisfied until they get him (or her) to give up someone. I know from experience, but at least it didn’t lead to a no-knock warrant,… Read more »

LC Anniee451
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LC Anniee451
May 20, 2011 16:32

I sing it along with whatever singer an event has gotten to do it, too, LC Vulcan. Heck, I’m lucky around here if people even stand up, or put their hand on their hearts, much less if anyone sings. But I can’t resist.

LC HJ Caveman82952
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LC HJ Caveman82952
May 20, 2011 17:28

Damn…the police here in my town are friends, the idea of them breaking down my door, once they got through the security door, seems alien. I am known here. But county mounties and such…..no It saddens and angers me…….I already keep a forty-five loaded with hollow points within easy access. But perhaps, as Bruce said…..a twelve gauge pump with magazine… Read more »

Tallulah
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Tallulah
May 21, 2011 01:58

I just had an interesting conversation with a Polish friend. She’s lived in the US for about 17 years, is in her mid-fifties. Was a university prof in Poland and is an artist here. Her father was murdered by Commie goons in Poland when he was just 31. His crime? he testified against the dictatorship. Spent time in various prisons,… Read more »

LC PrimEviL
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LC PrimEviL
May 21, 2011 11:02

Unfortunately, this shit happens with frightening regularity. Then the wagons get circled, and major CYA damage control begins. The upshot is that the Bigshots will always find that the Officers “acted appropriately”. Perhaps if a couple of those Bigwigs’ houses burned down in the aftermath it might send them a wake-up call. There aren’t bad Troopers, just bad Officers. The… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
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SWAT didn’t initiate this raid, the investigating detectives did. SWAT just carried out the mission, much like the SEALS who took out bin Laden did. Are you sure you can accurately compare the SEAL team to these “operators”? Sure, there’s multiple layers of failure here and points beyond,, the final, most hideous one would be trigger discipline. That would be… Read more »

Cortillaen
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May 21, 2011 19:05

*pokes the Management™* Could any of you fix the above for me? The text that ended up in the nested quote (I didn’t even know we could do nested quotes) is supposed to be outside the quote box, and the segments above and below the nested quote were supposed to be in their own quote boxes. I guess I accidentally… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
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LC TerribleTroy
May 21, 2011 20:30

Below comes from a article on yahoo.. The five officers Storie is representing are from the Sahuarita, Marana and Oro Valley police departments, and two from the Sheriff’s Department. The sheriff’s SWAT team is made up of officers from different agencies. Interesting, they use folks from different depts? That makes for a highly efficient team dynamic. So hows this work… Read more »

LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech, Imperial Photographer, K.o.E.
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Sure. Both groups are professionals, OK,, I bow to the obfuscation that one group is trained precisely the same as the other, after all, the criteria being they both do it for money makes ’em same same,, ok,, But statistically, not very likely — not at the same time. You are working on the steadfast assumption that Jose Guerena was… Read more »

LC Gladiator
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LC Gladiator
May 23, 2011 08:50

In the case of at Jose Guerena, the Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq, a Pima County, Arizona SWAT team were serving a narcotics conspiracy warrant at his home earlier this month. Guerena, who had been sleeping just two hours after working his shift at a local mine, was awakened y screams from his wife when she… Read more »

Cortillaen
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May 23, 2011 18:20

:em98: Oi. Forgot one freakin’ slash; the very first one. I’ve really gotta start using an external html preview or something.

Princess Natasha, Imperial Koch-monger
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Princess Natasha, Imperial Koch-monger
May 24, 2011 20:34

Sheriff Zhopnik is a fucking murderer and a lowlife POS. I hope justice finds him when he least expects it. Also, maybe OT, maybe not, but a cocksucking traitor of a “judge” in the Supreme Court of Indiana successfully pushed through an abortion of a bill allowing cops to enter any residence, at any time, without a warrant, without a… Read more »