Yeah, We Want to Buy a Boat Alright

…and then we want to round up the entire Pima County Sheriff Dept., particularly their inept commander, Sheriff Nudnik (you know, the one who immediately blamed conservatives for the massacre performed by the raving loon Jared Loughner, THAT one), seal them in the hold and scuttle the damn thing above the Mariana Trench. (H/t LC Cortillaen).

To recap, Nudnik’s mall ninjas execute a no knock warrant on the home of Marine Jose Guerena, one of the moron ninjas have a negligent discharge and the Pima County Rambo Department proceed to hose the house down randomly with at least 70 rounds, murdering Jose Guerena.

Unfortunately, the murdering swine didn’t manage to kill any of their own. This would have been one case where I’d fully approve of “friendly fire”, but that never happens when you need it.

Of course, true to form, Nudnik’s department has changed their stories more times than Lindsay Lohan’s been high and it’s doubtful that we’ll ever get a straight story unless somebody beats it out of their Neanderthal stormtrooper skulls.

We’d approve of that too.

We’d say more, but right now we need to get our damn blood pressure down to the point where we’re not in danger of exploding, so you’ll have to excuse us for now.

Thatisall.

47 comments

  1. 1
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    I can’t watch that before I go to bed, but may the “sheriff” of Pima County find his future home in a hot hurry?

    If you need something to buck up your spirits, try this: an autistic fellow was singing the Star Spangled Banner in Fenway Park, and he had a little trouble with it. Watch what happens next —

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/something_wonderful_true.php

    :em04:
    :em04: :em04: :em04:

  2. 2
    LC Scott growls and barks:

    That entire department needs to be interrogated with Rosie-O’s rotten dildo till they all look like goatse.

  3. 3
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Tallulah says:

    f you need something to buck up your spirits, try this: an autistic fellow was singing the Star Spangled Banner in Fenway Park, and he had a little trouble with it. Watch what happens next –

    I’m sure that Reichsführer Ogabe’s NLRB are already trying to figure out a way to press charges against anybody in that stadium for not being properly unionized.

    Hell is going to be a boring place indeed when Ogabe finally croaks. All of the demons will be too busy “servicing” his Marxist, tyrannical, douchy asshole to pay any attention to “minor” offenders like Hitler.

  4. 4
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Murder one charges for Sheriff Dummkopf and his goon squad with the death penalty upon a “guilty” verdict.

  5. 5
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Again, I ask the question, where is the outrage?

    Indiana SC rules the cops can go into your hose without a warrant.

    Where is the outrage?

    The DoJ will not prosecute violent cases that involve “minorities”.

    Where. Is. The. Outrage?

  6. 6
    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    oh the outrage is out there. It’s just not reported. You see, it ‘doesn’t fit the narrative’…

  7. 7
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    Light29ID says:

    Where. Is. The. Outrage?

    It’s burning, not so quietly, in the guts of most Americans … more so with every day. The outrageous abuses of government power and arrogant attitude of those who commit the abuses are being noticed by the even the most apolitical in our society, and fueling those who already took some interest to get actively involved. I’m finally seeing those of us on the right getting as activist and in-your-face as the lefties have been for decades. We’re finally learning to not wear our debating suit and tie to a mud fight.

    I think the only question is whether the consequences of the outrage will be: 1) too little too late; 2) a peaceful but decisive rejection and firing of the existing political class; or 3) CW2.

  8. 8
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    I posted somewhere that a “no knock entrance” to my house equals someone being dead. It may be me, it may be more than me.

    I would have to think that some, if not most, no knock entries put LEOs in more danger than not? Unless you are going in with good blueprints, flash bangs, and a decent team. And even then, if you do not know where a perp/insurgent is located, that adds the ‘fog’ to the situation. I cleared a two story facility with two other guys, but I’ll just say it sucked!

  9. 9
    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    Has anyone seen the stories about the left wing kooks (BIRM) in Pima county that want to form the new state of Baja Arizona out of said Pima county?

    Reading the above do you wonder why the rest of the state would be more than happy to let them go? :em01:

  10. 10
    MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster growls and barks:

    If you come to my house uninvited and bust down my door, you will be prospected for a lead mine. This SWAT herd has to be as close to incompetent as a monkey fucking a football on the northbound train on the southbound line. The Marines and soldiers in theater have to play by very precise rules. I guess cops in the US don’t anymore.

    Where did the country that took me in go?

    I am saddened. Semper Fi

  11. 11
    bruce growls and barks:

    i keep a shot gun right beside my bed and it is loaded with flechettes these rounds will penetrate a vest.they may kill me but i will get at least one of these nazi bastards so maybe next time they will knock on the door with a warrant.

  12. 12
    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    Disgusting. The Marine checked his fire, or there would be a couple of headless cops in Tucson right now, and through massed firepower and sheer incompetence they shot him anyway. Like many here, I doubt I would have given them the benefit of the doubt, and you can bet I’m not using a .556.

    bruce – hope you don’t like the bore on that shotgun, flechettes will destroy it (and probably won’t penetrate armor either). I would just use Federal’s FPD #2 and shoot for the head.

  13. 13
    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    Grrr. I wouldn’t use a 5.56 either. Stupid touchscreens.

  14. 14

    From everything I’ve read, sounds like sheer incompetence and criminal negligence from the top on down. The AZ AG needs to investigate this, both the shooting and the entire department, pronto.

  15. 15
    LC SleepTech: Pale Horse WHisperer growls and barks:

    How many of you still believe the Cops, Police, Officers, SWAT, etc…. will be on yOU’Re side when the SHTF???

    They’re not on our side NOW!!! (Remember, I do NOT include ANY Rottie Enforcement here.)

    Once is negligence/ incompetence. Twice is still forgivable…. maybe. A metric shitload of times in the last few years is a pattern.

    “Law Enforcement” has GREATLY overstepped its boundaries. They can stop doing that shit, or expect retaliation.

  16. 16
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Response to LC 0311 Sir Crunchie I.M.H., K.o.E. @:

    Don’t hold your breath Crunchie. Holder will have their backs. The Sheriff is (D) after all.

  17. 17
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    The southeastern states ( that the LIBS Hate) plus Texas need to leave the UNION and form a new country. The old ones too FUBAR

  18. 18
    LC SleepTech growls and barks:

    Response to LC Gladiator @:

    Agree totally!

  19. 19
    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Response to LC Gladiator @:

    It’ll be more than just the South Gladiator. More like every county east of the Sierra Nevada and the Cascades to the banks of the Mississippi.

  20. 20
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    I would like to see how ‘no knock entrances’ work in Fayetteville, NC outside Ft Bragg.

    It is only a matter of time before some LEO gets killed by a guy with a little bit of training and PTSD, just trying to defend his home. Hell, I hear a noise and I grab my sidearm w/ taclight and check every door and window. (Does the Castle Law apply? anyone know?) And all of a sudden, a law abiding citizen/combat veteran is plastered across the media as a mad killer… :em96:

  21. 21
    MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster growls and barks:

    Response to LC Draco @:

    It does hear in NC Draco.

    Semper Fi

  22. 22
    MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster growls and barks:

    Besides, the guys breaking in are not armed as well as I am………just sayin’

    Semper Fi

    BTW,……lets figure out how to buy the old Arkiie and hunt pirates with her.

  23. 23
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    MasterGuns…I agree.

    Normal SWAT and basic LEOs do not have the training or experience a lot of us have….and if you are like me, the first thing you did on choosing a house was partnered with defensive positions, what walls to shoot thru if you had to, choice of weapons/ammo locations in what rooms, and, :em02: , rearranging furniture and indoor plants about every week or two. Nothing like coming into a room and falling over dog toys, plants, magazine racks and/or chairs.

  24. 24
    Teufelhunden_JD growls and barks:

    Draco – I’m doing one better, going to custom build. Used Jeff Cooper’s advice for much of it, along with some of my own worst-case entry scenario training. You’d be amazed what steel reinforced insulated concrete forms can do to screw up tactical options, and it doesn’t cost much more than wood and drywall once you’re going the custom route anyway. Built in front door murder alley, very little in the way of blind spots or cover from corners, good security locks with good security exterior doors, in short a nightmare to enter.

    In NC you can get a great custom house for about $500,000, I couldn’t get a townhouse for that when I was living near DC.

  25. 25
    LC Draco growls and barks:

    Teuf..the best thing I learned in my experience…tool to match the situation. Seems you are on it!!!

    BTW…the mind and situational understanding are the things that will keep you alive. People talk about Sun Tzu as the be all end all. I told a certain senior officer he was an idiot if he had not read Musashi’s, ‘A Book of Five Rings”!! HERE Tzu is good for strategic ops…Musashi is tactical and operational!!

    In training and in Iraq, several of us trained with multiple weapons. It’s one reason a buddy of mine on his MNC-I team of 12 had a higher kill rate than the Brigade they supported.

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    Lizard, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    The problem is that the officers have changed their stories what 4 or 5 times now. He shot at us, then realized balistics would prove otherwise he didn’t shoot at us. We didn’t announce ourselves, no wait we did announce ourselves. We announced ourselves and he told us he was going to get us so we fired. They were serving a warrant on the brother, what happened to staking out and verifying that the brother actually lived there??? The main thing that makes me smell a huge fat rat is that they shot him and left the widow and child in the house with the victim and they all exicted. I am not an LEO but that does not sound like any protocol I have ever read about.

  27. 27

    I may not survive, but I won’t go alone.

  28. 28
    Chuck growls and barks:

    LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician says:

    I may not survive, but I won’t go alone.

    Agreed!

  29. 29
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    LC Draco:

    I told a certain senior officer he was an idiot if he had not read Musashi’s, ‘A Book of Five Rings”!! HERE Tzu is good for strategic ops…Musashi is tactical and operational!!

    I started on the Book of Five Spheres years ago but have yet to get back to it.

  30. 30
    BigDogg growls and barks:

    @ Draco … Texas is a Castle Doctrine state. Fire away!

  31. 31
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Lizard, G.L.O.R. says:

    The problem is that the officers have changed their stories what 4 or 5 times now.

    Good God.

    Am I reading this right? They stormed this marine’s house and murdered him. The government. What the FUCK?

    “Something or someone had put them onto this guy.”

    Yeah, anyone can do that. I don’t see how it makes a difference. Don’t explain; I don’t want to know – in the world of right and wrong and fascism, it doesn’t make a difference.

  32. 32
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    And considering who this guy is – the fucking Nudnick guy, I don’t trust jack SHIT that he says. He’s a liar and a deludenoid of the first order, and he should have been FIRED after the Loughner escapade.

  33. 33
    Library Czar growls and barks:

    The initial report was that they went to the wrong address. Then the story has changed 4 or 5 times. The wife reported that he was alive when they dragged her from the home but they refused to allow medics on the scene to attend to him. Sounds like government sanctioned murder to me.

  34. 34
    LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret growls and barks:

    Tallulah says:

    If you need something to buck up your spirits, try this: an autistic fellow was singing the Star Spangled Banner in Fenway Park, and he had a little trouble with it. Watch what happens next –
    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/something_wonderful_true.php

    I’m not commenting on the Pima County Not so Special Weapons and Tactics team as it appears they fail on both counts.

    BUT, Tallulah, thanks for posting that link, made my afternoon. Some of the comments are pretty good too, especially the one that asks why EVERYONE doesn’t sing the anthem when it’s played before an event. I know I do, and I’ll never be mistaken for a professional.

    And it’s a good question…WHY NOT?

  35. 35
    LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret growls and barks:

    OK, never mind, I’m going to agree with Dave (hey, everyone get off the floor, it ain’t the first time). When something goes down and a minor little dealer gets popped, the detectives are not satisfied until they get him (or her) to give up someone. I know from experience, but at least it didn’t lead to a no-knock warrant, I can relate.

    During my first enlistment, one of the guys in the shop next to mine gets busted for possession and intent to distribute, ON BASE! So, the OSI gets him to give up everyone he sold to, at least they thought. He gave them so many names to get himself off the hook there was no way for them to check everyone before the court-martial. He pleads out, gets busted to E-1, discharged with time served (about 3 weeks). After he’s gone, I get a visit in the barracks from 2 Security Policemen and an OSI agent, and get the perp walk out of the dorm. Yep, he gave them my name, and although I’d been tested during the “research” into his claims and was clean, I end up in a little room like you see on NCIS. Didn’t matter that my record was spotless, they had me based on the “confession” of a convicted druggie. When it all washed out and my record cleared, the apologizing went on for about 3 months, mostly because my commander was pissed about the whole thing and wouldn’t let the cops and OSI get away with a simple “Oops, we’re sorry”.

    Shortly after, I run into the guy, who’s now got a cushy job with the state, making more than I was, and still having a little smoke on occasion. We laughed about it, and he told me he was sorry about adding me to the list, but they TOLD him the more names they had, the easier it would be on him. And it was, 6 months after he got out he petitioned and got his discharge upped to a general, and it looks like he had a misdemeanor and the evil AF put him out because of it.

    Ever since, and reading stories like this, I’m determined that I’ll have only one response to someone kicking in my door at night, and while you might have to carry me out of MY HOUSE when it’s over, I’ll guarantee I won’t be the only one.

  36. 36
    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    I sing it along with whatever singer an event has gotten to do it, too, LC Vulcan. Heck, I’m lucky around here if people even stand up, or put their hand on their hearts, much less if anyone sings. But I can’t resist.

  37. 37
    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    Damn…the police here in my town are friends, the idea of them breaking down my door, once they got through the security door, seems alien. I am known here. But county mounties and such…..no
    It saddens and angers me…….I already keep a forty-five loaded with hollow points within easy access. But perhaps, as Bruce said…..a twelve gauge pump with magazine loaded with flechettes alternating with slugs…..not to mention a certain Mosin….that would give body armor a real test at point blank range.
    If TSHTF this will become commonplace, folks like me will stashing guns about, moving them about friend to friend, then back again. I’d leave an old one for bait or something……..and perhaps a three fifty-seven with a hard tungsten pointed tip and a super hot load would be in order. Word does travel fast, with those such as us make that lightning speed. You may get some, you won’t get them all, and some may get you first is the way I see it. These people in clear violation need to be taken out of office, if not the country. As for the officers obeying such mandates, I’d hate to be trapped between such a choice.
    But here in humble Dog Patch, our police chief is a Marine….as is one of his officers, the mayor as well.
    I would only hope for at least a warning………and guns can end up in the damndest places…..

  38. 38
    Tallulah growls and barks:

    I just had an interesting conversation with a Polish friend. She’s lived in the US for about 17 years, is in her mid-fifties. Was a university prof in Poland and is an artist here.

    Her father was murdered by Commie goons in Poland when he was just 31. His crime? he testified against the dictatorship. Spent time in various prisons, was finally sprung, and murdered three years later.

    She said to me, quite seriously: “Most American [on the left] don’t know how precious it is, what we have here. FREEDOM. They think it can’t happen here [the catastrophic loss of freedom]. It can.

    “My small town in Poland,” she continued, “is beautiful. Was untouched in the war. But still there is a darkness over it, from all the murders and tortures. I always felt it, always saw the darkness even as a child, because my father was a political dissident.

    “And it’s still going on. Putin, in Russia? he’s an old KGB man. And there are still concentration camps in Russia — just farther out of sight, farther north, farther east maybe. But they’re there.”

    After all, it took Lenin and Hitler just months to enact their dastardly regimes — they simply ignored the law, [Ofuckwad’s method] and killed everyone who got in their way, and millions more just to scare the shit out of people.

    WE in the US are in the IGNORING THE CONSTITUTION phase. Not looking good, folks.

  39. 39
    LC/IB PrimEviL growls and barks:

    Unfortunately, this shit happens with frightening regularity. Then the wagons get circled, and major
    CYA damage control begins. The upshot is that the Bigshots will always find that the Officers “acted appropriately”.

    Perhaps if a couple of those Bigwigs’ houses burned down in the aftermath it might send them a wake-up call.

    There aren’t bad Troopers, just bad Officers. The Cops will do whatever they know they can get away with; after all
    they are just “following orders”, and “doing their job”, because “it’s a tough job, but someone has to do it”, and they are the “only ones”.

    This is just one more sad episode in the “New Professionalism”. Whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.
    Did the Guerenas have a dog? Usually they shoot the dog first. Stories of puppycide abound. Again, nothing is
    done.

  40. 40

    SWAT didn’t initiate this raid, the investigating detectives did. SWAT just carried out the mission, much like the SEALS who took out bin Laden did.

    Are you sure you can accurately compare the SEAL team to these “operators”?

    Sure, there’s multiple layers of failure here and points beyond,, the final, most hideous one would be trigger discipline.
    That would be the precise discipline that made the ubl capping a success and this no-knocker an historic bitchbotch.

  41. 41
    Cortillaen growls and barks:

    *pokes the Management™* Could any of you fix the above for me? The text that ended up in the nested quote (I didn’t even know we could do nested quotes) is supposed to be outside the quote box, and the segments above and below the nested quote were supposed to be in their own quote boxes. I guess I accidentally switched the closing tag of the first quote (“It especially gets stuck…”) with the opening tag of the second (“…so you choose to paint…”).
    (Consider me poked. Next time buy me dinner first, M’kay? – crunch)

  42. 42
    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    Deej, you said!

    Sure. Both groups are professionals, and while the SEALS are a lot more extensive and versatile, SWAT is also heavily trained for operations like this. These aren’t some Barney Fife cops that they stick helmets on and hand them automatic weapons. Many of them probably were in special forces in the military prior to going into the police department.

    Living down here as I do, I can state without fear of error that Pima County does just that! No one on the Pima SWAT has any Special Operations background and they are KNOWN to grab bodies at random to fill out a team!

    Read my previous, they provably cannot even read a map!

    BTW, the homeowner is Innocent until Proven Guilty in this State! Except of course in the wanna be Baja Arizona!

  43. 43
    LC TerribleTroy growls and barks:

    Below comes from a article on yahoo..

    The five officers Storie is representing are from the Sahuarita, Marana and Oro Valley police departments, and two from the Sheriff’s Department. The sheriff’s SWAT team is made up of officers from different agencies.

    Interesting, they use folks from different depts? That makes for a highly efficient team dynamic. So hows this work down there? Do the guys go through a shake and bake SRT course and then return to their dept where IF they are on duty and the need arises they are tasked with this type of operation? Kinda FUBAR in my (not so) humble opinion.

  44. 44

    Sure. Both groups are professionals,

    OK,, I bow to the obfuscation that one group is trained precisely the same as the other, after all, the criteria being they both do it for money makes ’em same same,, ok,,

    But statistically, not very likely — not at the same time. You are working on the steadfast assumption that Jose Guerena was innocent,

    They couldn’t see him, his gun wasn’t fired, but they shot him up anyway.No assumptions there, steadfast or otherwise.

    Again, no evidence that it is “an historic bitchbotch”. Wait for the investigation to be over first, THEN pass judgment.

    Ok,, it’s not historic,, just a murderous bitchbotch that’s not likely to be forgotten. I stand corrected.

  45. 45
    LC Gladiator growls and barks:

    In the case of at Jose Guerena, the Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq, a Pima County, Arizona SWAT team were serving a narcotics conspiracy warrant at his home earlier this month. Guerena, who had been sleeping just two hours after working his shift at a local mine, was awakened y screams from his wife when she observed an unidentified man with a gun outside of their home. She grabbed her baby and hid in a closet as Guerena grabbed a rifle and proceeded to investigate. He was shot dead inside the sanctity of his own home, in the U.S. and not by some sniper in Iraq. In total, seventy-one rounds were fired at Guerena.

    To make matters worse – much worse, medical treatment was withheld by the SWAT team, according to his widow and verified by police and medical logs. At this point, it would appear that Guerena was startled awake and thinking he was protecting his family from a possible home invasion, stumbled onto a police raid. He never had a chance.

    As a result of the lax border security at the hands of DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, there has been a sharp rise in home invasions in Tucson over the last few years. Of course, one would not know that by the “cocky football spiking” Obama from his recent speech in El Paso, where he mocked and ridiculed anyone who dared to question the state of U.S.-Mexico border insecurity.

    Now, consider the raid on a south Florida Mosque at about 6:00 a.m. Saturday by dozens of heavily armed federal agents. They pounded on the door of the Masjid Jamaat Al-Mumineen mosque in Miami-Dade county, armed with warrants for Muslims who are suspected of a long-running conspiracy to murder, maim and kidnap people overseas in support of the Taliban. As morning prayers were in progress inside the mosque, the armed agents respectfully waited until the prayers ended, and then entered the mosque only after removing their footwear.

    The raid at the mosque resulted in three arrests: Imam Hafiz Muhammed Sher Ali Khan and his two sons, Izhar Khan and Irfan Khan. Irfan Khan was arrested in Los Angeles.

    Additionally, three others named in the indictment are currently at large in Pakistan. They are identified as Ali Rehman (a/k/a Faisal Ali Rehman), Amina Khan (a/k/a Amina Bibi), the daughter of Hafiz Khan, and her son, Alam Zeb, who is also Khan’s grandson.

    Yes, “something really wrong is going on here.”

  46. 46
    Cortillaen growls and barks:

    :em98: Oi. Forgot one freakin’ slash; the very first one. I’ve really gotta start using an external html preview or something.

  47. 47

    Sheriff Zhopnik is a fucking murderer and a lowlife POS. I hope justice finds him when he least expects it.
    Also, maybe OT, maybe not, but a cocksucking traitor of a “judge” in the Supreme Court of Indiana successfully pushed through an abortion of a bill allowing cops to enter any residence, at any time, without a warrant, without a probable cause, and without warning. 4th Amendment is old-fashioned to that fucking wannabe Lavrentii Beria of the bench. What is even more disgraceful is that shitbag served, honorably, in the Army, attaining the rank of COL. He is a disgrace to the Constitution, to the Army, and to the Officer Corps. Nobody absolved him from his Oath– yet he pissed all over the Constitution and all over the rights of the people that fucking worm was supposed to uphold and protect.