And so it begins

What the Left and the MSM screamed could never happen..has.

What the Lamestream media™ claimed could never be done..has been done.

This will be one of many long talks, discussions on major issues, Pres. Trump has succeeded ion getting Kim Jong-Un to the table, and todays conference is one of many in the future.

On the table:

An end..a final end..to the Korean War.

A stable and hopefully peaceful Korea.

An end to the enmity and fear that has pervaded Korea since Panmunjom.

Discussions and negotiations on disarmament.

A US official told CNN the pair would sign an agreement to acknowledge their meetings’ progress and pledge to keep momentum going.

This wont happen tomorrow, it wont happen in a week. It may not happen in a year. But eventually, with Gods grace and wisdom, over time, we may see an end to the Hermit Kingdom. In much the same way as it took decades for Soviet Russia to rejoin the rest of the world, this will take time.

But it will happen.

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the people of the two counties for peace and prosperity.

This serves as an acknowledgement that the US and North Korea are seeking to leave their hostilies behind and move towards peace.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

Until now, the US and South Korea have had an alliance against North Korea and its nuclear regime. This means the US and North Korea will move towards dialogue and pursue an end to their hostile relationship.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.

The Panmunjom Declaration was adopted by North and South Korea during the 2018 inter-Korean Summit in April. It stated that the two sides would agree to work together to end the Korean War and bring about a new era of peace, including denuclearisation. This point serves as a reiteration of that.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

The United States and North Korea will work together to identify the remains of American Korean War casualties — a move veterans advocates have been pushing for. Over 7000 American service members from the war remain unaccounted for

Well done , Mr President.

Well done.

39 comments

  1. 1
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    And here we have the response from the Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, CommuNazis, (Sorry, I’m repeating myself) and the Never Trumpers when they were informed what was happening.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1jf2hOkec4

    :em01: :em05:

  2. 2
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    What the Left and the MSM screamed could never happen..has.

    I’m often confronted by people saying, “what about….?” Or “________ did that too”. Mostly it is an attempt at false equivalency.

    But you have to wonder, what if this had been Barack Obama instead of Donald Trump? What would your attitude be then?

    I THINK WE KNOW ALREADY, BECAUSE WE HAVE VIDEO.

    Or I can give you a visual:

    The short answer: Your flippin’ heads would be exploding right now.

    LCBren says:

    What the Lamestream media™ claimed could never be done..has been done.

    I don’t think that anyone has said that it could never be done … just not without solid preconditions and verifiable concrete steps taken.

    The number one goal of the past three North Korean dictators has been to be officially recognized by the United States government. They’ve wanted a face-to-face official visit with a sitting US president for as long as they’ve been in existence.

    Kim got what he was after.

    It’s not like we’ve never made deals with North Korea before, WE HAVE. Several of them. They’ve lasted about as long as the US administration that agreed to them have lasted. Which is to say, they HAVEN’T.

    We saw two liars lying to each other yesterday. Kim lies, and Trump lies. We have NO idea what the two of them talked about — because unlike every other president holding such talks, THIS one has refused to have any record made of the conversation.

    But hey, that’s his style, so be it.

    The point is, NOBODY is expecting much to come out of this one meeting, except the pledge to talk further in the future. Any other characterization of yesterday’s meeting is just pure bullshit and conjecture.

    And no, Bren, my head is not ‘exploding’, nor am I wringing my hands over any of this. I am actually GLAD that Trump went to Indonesia to speak with Kim Jung Un. I actually DO have hope that the two of them can iron something out that is acceptable to all parties.

    Bet let’s give it some time first before we start claiming huge victories and ticker-tape parades.

    And realize who the fuck it is we are dealing with.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    And no, Bren, my head is not ‘exploding’, nor am I wringing my hands over any of this. I am actually GLAD that Trump went to Indonesia to speak with Kim Jung Un. I actually DO have hope that the two of them can iron something out that is acceptable to all parties

    For someone who keeps telling me how little I know….

    SINGAPORE AND INDONESIA ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS THOUSANDS OF MILES APART YOU PATHETIC, DROOLING IMBECILE

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    Fox3 growls and barks:

    I’ll keep toes crossed that something actually comes of this.

    Unfortunately I am leery. For decades, NORK has reneged on whatever they agreed to the moment they got whatever they managed to extort for those promises.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    This is a beginning.

    Little else.

    But its a start..and its a massive improvement on what we had before..nothing. No one is saying it will be fixed in a day..it wont.

    “Trump lies”

    We wont discuss the lies of Shrillary or the multiple crimes of SCOAMF..nah lets sling off at the President who did what no other President has done.

    The United States and North Korea will work together to identify the remains of American Korean War casualties — a move veterans advocates have been pushing for. Over 7000 American service members from the war remain unaccounted for

    For this alone he should be thanked forever…there are families with no closure after fifty years.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    SINGAPORE AND INDONESIA ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS THOUSANDS OF MILES APART YOU PATHETIC, DROOLING IMBECILE

    Jesus, you are a whiny, miserable little bitch. I don’t know why I typed Indonesia — shit happens. If you don’t like it, fuck yourself.

    Should I scream at you for your apparent mistake in math? Or should I just let it go…

    let’s see…

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Jesus, you are a whiny, miserable little bitch. I don’t know why I typed Indonesia — shit happens. If you don’t like it, fuck yourself.

    Funny how when Pres Trump makes a typo its headline news on “how stupid he is”, yet you type Indonesia when you mean Singapore…they arent even spelled the same.

    What am I doing, Deej??

    Giving you a taste of the vitriol and venom that is the screeching Left.

    “They are both liars”

    It really sticks in your craw that the man you call a fool and a liar has achieved what was said could not be done…how many times did the media and the Left scream “he was taking us to nuclear war”?

    Yet here we are at the table.

    Should I scream at you for your apparent mistake in math?

    Aside from all your posts in ALL CAPS we keep seeing?

    Why ask when you already do?

    BTW the Iran deal IS an abomination.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/iran-nuclear-deal-disaster-from-the-start/

    1) On the eve of Trump’s decision to withdraw from the deal, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s dramatic televised disclosures of captured Iranian documents more or less confirmed the obvious: Iran never had any intention of forgoing its nuclear-bomb-making efforts, as implied by prior politicized national-intelligence estimates. The only mystery was why Iran had carefully recorded evidence of its own deception. In eerie fashion, it was almost as if at some future date Iran had planned to add insult to injury by reminding its mugged partners just how gullible they had been. Or perhaps some Iranian diplomatic grandees feared that in revolutionary Tehran, any purported appeasers would have been tried for treason, so they needed documentary evidence that they had been patriotic cheaters all along.

    The Iran deal was born in deceit, sold through deception, and kept alive by willful blindness. The more we were told it could not be nullified, the more malodorous it became. Nothing since its death has proven it wise; everything has confirmed it really was, in the words of Trump, “a “disaster.”

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Skipping the immaterial,

    LCBren says:

    It really sticks in your craw that the man you call a fool and a liar has achieved what was said could not be done…

    In all of your vitriol here, you kinda missed the part where I plainly stated that I was GLAD that Trump had gone to meet with Kim. There has never been anything inconsistent with that — going all the way back to when Obama first brought it up in the first Obama/Hillary debate in 2008.

    I’m just pointing out the reason(s) why that hasn’t necessarily been a good thing to do with the NorKs. But hell yeah, you should at least try.

    LCBren says:

    BTW the Iran deal IS an abomination.

    LOL! Tell ya what, let’s wait a while so we can make the comparison here. Right now all your boy has is an agreement to talk about it at some later date. I mean, seriously, there is really NOTHING there yet.

    But I will tell you what IS an “abomination”: An American president who just lavished praise upon a murderous despotic dictator, who keeps his people impoverished, runs the world’s largest and longest running concentration camps in modern history, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of his own people dying just so he could build his nuclear arsenal and threaten the peace of the world.

    THAT is an abomination.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    But I will tell you what IS an “abomination”: An American president who just lavished praise upon a murderous despotic dictator, who keeps his people impoverished, runs the world’s largest and longest running concentration camps in modern history, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of his own people dying just so he could build his nuclear arsenal and threaten the peace of the world.

    ?itok=qkr0_X3l

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    DJA, Our Built-In Opposition:

    The number one goal of the past three North Korean dictators has been to be officially recognized by the United States government. They’ve wanted a face-to-face official visit with a sitting US president for as long as they’ve been in existence.

    You know this because they all confided in you?

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    But I will tell you what IS an “abomination”: An American president who just lavished praise upon a murderous despotic dictator, who keeps his people impoverished, runs the world’s largest and longest running concentration camps in modern history, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of his own people dying just so he could build his nuclear arsenal and threaten the peace of the world.

    ?itok=qkr0_X3l

    You let me know when you find where Obama called Raul Castro ‘honorable’, ‘a good friend’, ‘strong,’ ‘funny,’ ‘smart’ and a ‘great negotiator’.

    Once again, you miss a point.

    Let me reiterate: It was a GOOD thing for Trump to sit down and talk with Kim. I don’t have a problem with that. Where I do have a problem is when Trump praises Kim for no reason at all. We got NOTHING out of it.

    LC Xystus says:

    You know this because they all confided in you?

    I know this because it has been known by virtually everyone since 1952. I can’t help it if since you’ve started supporting Trump that you’ve lost your political compass.

    One of these days soon, I am going to take the time to sit down and try and restore the archives here. That way I can feed your own words back to y’all.

    ON A RELATED TOPIC:

    I see that it didn’t take long for the NorKs to re-characterize what THEY thought was accomplished at the summit.

    The Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported that Kim and Trump agreed that “it is important to abide by the principle of step-by-step and simultaneous action in achieving peace, stability and denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”

    Which goes against what the Trump Administration is saying:

    That would go against what the Trump administration has said so far. Last month, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told the House Foreign Affairs Committee that “the model that we have laid forth is a rapid denuclearization, total and complete, that won’t be extended over time.”

    Already off to a good start…

    The KCNA report — which was also carried by the Rodong Sinmun, official newspaper of the ruling Workers’ Party — also claimed that the president pledged to suspend military drills with South Korea, and lift sanctions on the North.

    Strange how none of that made it into the agreement that was signed the other day…

    I am sure that by now, the NorKs have edited all photographs and video statements of both dictators to make it appear that Trump has completely capitulated to the Dear Leader. Using Trump’s own lavish praise for Kim.

    Now we have our own dictator make the claim via Twitter that North Korea ‘no longer a nuclear threat’


    Nothing has changed. Kim still has at least sixty nuclear weapons. He has ICBMs that can now strike anywhere in the US. He is still a major threat to South Korea, and Japan. It will take fifteen years to get rid of these weapons — providing that we ever get to that point of an agreement.

    Given the history of dealing with the NorKs, the likelihood of ever getting to the point of them agreeing to give up their entire nuclear, chemical, biological and ballistic programs is slim to none.

    That said, it is still preferable to engage in dialogue with the NorKs. The problem is, Trump is so focused on getting a ‘deal’ — ANY DEAL — that he will give up concessions that will get very little if anything in return.

    There is no way Kim is going to agree to give up HIS nuclear weapons. That is not what he has in mind for ‘denuclearization’ of the Korean Peninsula. He means that the US needs to remove OUR nuclear umbrella from the region.

    Kim also wants the end of the Korean war — which sounds like a good thing, until you consider the second part of that.

    If the Korean war ends, then so too does the need for American troops along the 38th Parallel. No more protection for South Korea and reduced protection for Japan — which is something that both China and Russia would like to see.

    Maybe that’s a good thing in the long run. Maybe a complete change in the global order where China is dominant in the region. It certainly would have an impact on Australia if that were to happen.

    Maybe you are alright with Communism spreading further across Asia.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    And the Zen Master said: “We’ll see….”
    – Zombie Philip Semen Hoffmour

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:9

    “But I will tell you what IS an “abomination”: An American president who just lavished praise upon a murderous despotic dictator, who keeps his people impoverished, runs the world’s largest and longest running concentration camps in modern history, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of his own people dying just so he could build his nuclear arsenal and threaten the peace of the world.

    THAT is an abomination.”

    Boy, if Frank the Cripple were alive to hear you talk about Uncle Joe like that, he sure would be pissed. And, of course, there were those in the Obama administration who openly masturbated to Chairman Mao.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Boy, if Frank the Cripple were alive to hear you talk about Uncle Joe like that, he sure would be pissed. And, of course, there were those in the Obama administration who openly masturbated to Chairman Mao.

    Funny as it sounds, I’m just throwing back the same arguments YOU guys made ten years ago.

    One of these days soon, I will have the time to sit down and try to restore the archives here on this site. It will be fun going back and using your own words to show just how far off the rails you’ve traveled. :em05:

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:15

    Enh, I don’t usually have a problem if someone simply wants to meet and talk with a baddie. My only objection is to giving away the store for free, or worse, paying them to take it away.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Enh, I don’t usually have a problem if someone simply wants to meet and talk with a baddie. My only objection is to giving away the store for free, or worse, paying them to take it away.

    That is pretty much where I am on this.

    Who knows, maybe Kim and Donald can be best buds, and something may come out of it. But I am not holding my breath, given the history of BOTH men.

    We will just have to wait and see.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    His Majesty’s Loyal Opposition:

    I know this because it has been known by virtually everyone since 1952.

    That’s a few years before I was born–but in my six decades I recall no one ever saying this.

    Maybe, once you’ve set the National Archives in order, you can share this intelligence. Otherwise “Everyone knows” doesn’t cut the yellowcake.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Where I do have a problem is when Trump praises Kim for no reason at all. We got NOTHING out of it.

    Yes we did get something out of it.

    President Trump is well aware he is dealing with a lunatic, a despot, an utterly dangerous man,

    OF COURSE he buttered him up..

    OF COURSE he sang his praises.

    Tell me Allyn, what do you call it when two world leaders get together, smile for the cameras, say nice things about each other, butter them up, feed them nice meals…then go backstage and mutter what an utter bastard that guy is and how nice it would be if someone stuck a knife in him?

    Oh thats right.

    Diplomacy.

    What did we get out of it?

    Ii’ll tell you.

    Kim didnt go back home, issue orders and send HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TROOPS ACROSS THE FUCKING 38TH PARALLEL

    Even if he doesnt have nukes, the devastation and massive death toll a second invasion would create is the stuff of nightmares.

    OF COURSE the NK news spun this..thats Pyongyang Sinmun and Rodong Sinmun (I read these all the time btw), they do everything but get down on their knees and take his pencil dick in their mouths, and if he asked them to they would do it, singing his praises *slurp slurp*

    NK citizens are indoctrinated cradle to grave to worship the Kims as gods from day one.

    You didnt know this?

    Allyn, two friends here in Aust are NK defectors. They made it out. Their parents didnt, their families are dead at the hands of the Kims. They saw this and spoke to me..they both said the same thing.

    President Trump is well aware he is dealing with a man that makes a piranha look like a tabby cat by comparison.

    Strange how none of that made it into the agreement that was signed the other day

    Because it didnt, The sanctions stay.

    Newsflash, Allyn, the KCNA lies.

    The KCNA also told the people that MNk won the World Cup.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    The drills are on hold for the time being. Thats SOP. Right now we need Kim pliable and ready to talk…the drills can wait and that wont hurt anything,. Training continues.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    “But I will tell you what IS an “abomination”: An American president who just lavished praise upon a murderous despotic dictator, who keeps his people impoverished, runs the world’s largest and longest running concentration camps in modern history, and is responsible for hundreds of thousands of his own people dying just so he could build his nuclear arsenal and threaten the peace of the world.

    THAT is an abomination.”

    As opposed to what we have been doing for the last fifty years that has accomplished…what so far?

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Yes we did get something out of it.

    So, tell, me, what did “we” get out of it?

    LCBren says:

    OF COURSE he buttered him up..

    OF COURSE he sang his praises.

    So far, the only people Trump seems to like are dictators. He hasn’t met one yet that he doesn’t like. But when it comes to our allies, he’s called them all sorts of nasty names.

    Trump wants so badly to be an authoritarian dictator. He attacks the press, he puts down our allies, yet strangely wants to cozy up to people like Putin, Kim, Xi, Duterte, and Mohammed bin Salman. He’s marveled over their power and their ability to ‘get things done’

    So yeah, let’s go with the real reason he sings the praises of someone like Kim.

    LCBren says:

    Tell me Allyn, what do you call it when two world leaders get together, smile for the cameras, say nice things about each other, butter them up, feed them nice meals…then go backstage and mutter what an utter bastard that guy is and how nice it would be if someone stuck a knife in him?

    Oh thats right.

    Diplomacy.

    Oh, you mean the same exact thing that Barack Obama suggested way back in 2007? MY view hasn’t changed one iota since Obama first suggested it and Trump actually doing it. I was for it then, and I am for it now. YOU just seem to have a problem accepting that fact.

    But YOU haven’t always had this view.

    Sometime in the next week or so, I am going to dig up exactly what you and others said on this very subject back in 2007. I have the archived database from back then, I just haven’t gotten around to sorting it out and re-installing it. It will be fun using your own words to argue against you. It will be LC Brendan 2007 versus LCBren 2018.

    I just have to find the time to do it.

    LCBren says:

    What did we get out of it?

    Ii’ll tell you.

    Kim didnt go back home, issue orders and send HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TROOPS ACROSS THE FUCKING 38TH PARALLEL

    I hate to break it to you, but even Kim Jung Un isn’t that stupid. If this little get-together hadn’t worked out, he wasn’t going to run home and attack South Korea. He would have just gone back to doing what he has always done — lob a few missiles around, make noise, and just be his usual bratty self. He would have issued his usual threats to engulf the US in a lake of fire or some such shit like that.

    So if THAT is all we got… we got bupkis.

    LCBren says:

    You didnt know this?

    I am well aware.

    LCBren says:

    Allyn, two friends here in Aust are NK defectors

    What does that have to do with holding high-level negotiations between the US and North Korea? We’ve ALL heard the stories, we ALL have a pretty darn good idea just how bad things are in North Korea.

    LCBren says:

    Because it didnt, The sanctions stay.

    Newsflash, Allyn, the KCNA lies.

    And you are making one of my points here.

    It’s ALL about propaganda. All the praise that Trump lavished on Kim is no doubt being put on an endless loop to show the North Korean people that their boy-king is at least an equal, if not superior to the US president. We are BOLSTERING his position inside of his country, and keeping quiet about the numerous atrocities this regime has been responsible for over the past seventy years.

    ====

    THIS IS WHERE I AM AT ON ALL OF THIS:

    1. It was a good thing that Trump started a dialog with Kim Jung Un. It is always a good thing to maintain a communication channel among not only friends, but adversaries as well. I’ve always held that position. Most people here have NOT.

    2. I hope that they keep up with the dialogue. That old saying, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” would apply here. If you are talking, you are probably not fighting.

    3. Hope for the best, but expect the worst. Since we already have a seventy-year history dealing with the North Koreans, we know that for the most part, any agreement we make with them is probably going to be violated — either by them or us. Trump could come up with THE PERFECT DEAL with the NorKs, only to have the next presidential clown decide to toss it out for it being a ‘terrible deal’. Or more likely, the NorKs will cheat.

    I seriously doubt that the North Koreans will ever give up all of their nuclear weapons. They’ve been actively pursuing them for decades, and now that they have them, they have managed to use the threat of them to get an audience with the US president and therefore ‘equal’ recognition in the world as a ‘nuclear power’.

    In spite of our insistence that they give up all of their nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons it’s never going to happen. THEIR idea of ‘de-nuclearization’ is not quite the same as how WE would describe it. Their idea of de-nuclearization is for the US to remove the nuclear umbrella we have over that region. They would insist on keeping their weapons.

    So to have Trump make the claim that he did today that he expects the North Koreans to have completely given up their nuclear weapons by 2020 is really setting himself up for a huge disappointment.

    I think that at the end of the day, we will probably have to accept the fact that the North Koreans will be a nuclear power, whether you like it or not, and since that’s the case, the focus should shift to trying to lead the NorKs into becoming a more benign country — by investing in its infrastructure. Whether the West does it or China does it — it doesn’t matter. If you bring the North Korean PEOPLE into the 21st century, they might then figure out a way to end the dictatorship — from within.

    The bottom line here is that we shouldn’t be claiming ‘victory’ on any of this yet. It’s a process, and it will take years.

    But running victory laps or calling for a Nobel Peace prize already? That worked so well for Obama… :em05:

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Trump wants so badly to be an authoritarian dictator.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    He attacks the press

    He calls them out on the buillshit we have seen for decades. Its no accident that CNN was called (and is still called) The Clinton News Network;

    he puts down our allies,

    With allies like the EUROweenies who the fuck needs enemies? Europe is already partly Islamised, France has no go zones, the Italians have had a gutful of the open door policies of Brussels and their bleeding heart liberalism, the UK is a write off and is more or less Dhimmi minus the jizya (give em time thats coming), the US has been footing the bill for decades…and its time to look to your own borders and its own problems.

    Personally? Telling the UN to go fuck itself works for me.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    My bottom line is this:

    We may not get anything concrete out of this, it’s not like commie arsehats have a history of being trustworthy, and certainly not the deranged fucktards of North Korea but, and this is a huge but to me: We didn’t give a damn thing away in return either. No more danegeld, no $150 billion with a “b” shipped off in the dead of night on pallets. Nothing, nada, niende, bupkes.

    “Ending military exercises?” Sure. Those ships probably have other things to do than to threaten Rocket Boy’s beaches and they’re quite easy to turn around if he decides to renege on his promises again.

    As to NorK abuses of human rights, I don’t honestly give a fuck, except to note that they’re abhorrent, inhumane and deserving of a very special place in Hell. But I also wouldn’t waste a single American life to end them.

    Or, to put it another way: How many human rights abuses did the bribes, empty threats and fist-wavings of our previous presidents stop?

    Again: This didn’t cost us a dime. I’m cool with that. It’s time for the world to find another piggy bank.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    “Ending military exercises?” Sure. Those ships probably have other things to do than to threaten Rocket Boy’s beaches and they’re quite easy to turn around if he decides to renege on his promises again.

    What were the ‘other things’ that they would have been doing if they weren’t engaging in military exercises?

    You do realize that these military exercises are for OUR military readiness, and not necessarily to ‘protect’ South Korea. If you don’t exercise, you lose your edge.

    But if we are going to end them with South Korea, don’t you think we should have given them a heads up first?

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Again: This didn’t cost us a dime. I’m cool with that. It’s time for the world to find another piggy bank.

    Sure. And are you willing to give up the dollar as the world’s currency?

    I’d be willing to bet that is coming up soon…

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    You do realize that these military exercises are for OUR military readiness, and not necessarily to ‘protect’ South Korea. If you don’t exercise, you lose your edge.

    Those particular exercises were a bit more than your average exercises, designed specifically to get Fat Fuck’s attention. I don’t see that we agreed to never have any exercises ever again.

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    But if we are going to end them with South Korea, don’t you think we should have given them a heads up first?

    Assuming, as you do, that we hadn’t given them a heads up then no, we shouldn’t have. Somebody would have leaked it, oral incontinence seems to be a yuge problem these days, and you never let the other side know ahead of time what you’re willing to go along with. That’s just bad negotiating technique.

    Not to worry, though. It’s not like we’re giving Rocket Boy a green light to invade the South. Never going to happen.

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    Sure. And are you willing to give up the dollar as the world’s currency?

    I’d be willing to bet that is coming up soon…

    I’d be interested to hear just what exactly made you come up with that particularly wild extrapolation.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    [Caption:] Trump makes history by being the first American president to salute an officer of a sworn enemy.

    I don’t happen to know if the other guy saluted first.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Allyn: your TDS is in dire need of treatment.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/14/politics/trump-north-korea-salute/index.html

    After Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un walked down a colonnade to shake hands, the pair entered into a room filled with various members of Kim’s delegation, the video from North Korean broadcaster KCTV news shows.
    Trump starts to shake hands with those in the room. Upon encountering North Korean Gen. No Kwang Chol, who was in full uniform, Trump first extends his hand, to which the general responds with a salute. Trump then salutes back, extends his hand again and the two men shake hands.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

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    sleeper growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #3:
    I know we’re not supposed to be at all polite about anything DJ has to say, but Indonesia is less than ten miles from Singapore. Thousands of miles, ten miles; but drooling imbecile seems a bit much.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    but Indonesia is less than ten miles from Singapore.

    \

    Say what Willis?

    shortest distance between Bali and Singapore is 1,660 km

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    sleeper growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #35:

    Indonesia is more than Bali. Indonesia is a collection of islands, and many of those islands are quite close to Singapore. Fire up your Google Earth and take a look.

    Less than ten miles.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Indonesia is more than Bali. Indonesia is a collection of islands, and many of those islands are quite close to Singapore. Fire up your Google Earth and take a look.

    Thanks but actually seeing as I live in that neck of the woods, I can state for a fact that other than some deserted island populated by seagulls, there is nowhere that is 10 miles from Singapore to Indonesia.

    Main airport: Jakarta

    Distance between Singapore and Jakarta is 898 kilometers (558 miles).

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    sleeper growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #37:
    That’s sorted out, Indonesia is between ten and 558 miles from Singapore. Not Thousands of Miles.

    A simple mistake, much like saying Kim and Trump met in Indonesia. All in the same neck of the woods.

    DJ may be a Dirty Commie, but I can’t even verify that he drools. He seems confused, but not an imbecile.

    However, if Pathetic, Drooling Imbecile is really a term of endearment with which I’m not familiar, carry on.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Those particular exercises were a bit more than your average exercises, designed specifically to get Fat Fuck’s attention. I don’t see that we agreed to never have any exercises ever again.

    Kinda predates Kim Jung Un.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    Assuming, as you do, that we hadn’t given them a heads up then no, we shouldn’t have. Somebody would have leaked it,

    Leaked it to who, the South Korean leader? Gee, of ALL the people who should have gotten a heads up, it should have been the very country in which we’ve been protecting all of these years. He had to hear about it like everyone else — from a fucking Tweet.

    I keep coming back to what your reactions would have been if Obama were doing all of this. Better yet, I can just imagine what you would have been saying if Hillary were president and she was doing all of this.

    (I’ll give you a hint: look at the shit that Bren just dredged up…)

    Emperor Misha I says:

    I’d be interested to hear just what exactly made you come up with that particularly wild extrapolation.

    From something I read recently. We seem intent on isolating ourselves from the rest of the Western alliance. The global economic structure is currently based on the US dollar, but it wouldn’t take much for the rest of the alliance to decide that they can no longer count on the US for anything, and if they do, one of the major discussions will be the global currency.

    Whether that ever happens or not, just the fact that people are starting to bring it up as an idea was something that I found interesting.

    BREN:

    Dude, you are making my point. There’s an old saying about what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You guys were all over Obama for his violations of protocol.

    But now you choose to ignore it when Trump does it.

    Maybe they don’t have a word for it in Australia, but around here, we call that “hypocrisy”

    Ya know, if you were a little more consistent with your outrages, you’d have a bit more credibility.

    Right now? You are nothing more than a political fluffer.