Seems Awful Suspicious

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  1. 1
    Fox3 growls and barks:

    What happened to post about living in scabattle?

  2. 2
    LCBren growls and barks:

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/trumps-lawyers-suggest-hes-above-the-law-in-leaked-letters/news-story/1d2ecfae3f72499ca233492c17ec9c65

    Mueller’s office is now leaking letters to the media.

    The letters, written from the President’s lawyers to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, argued that he shouldn’t have to submit himself to an investigation because his position grants him absolute authority over all investigations.

  3. 3
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Fox3 says:

    What happened to post about living in scabattle?

    Like everyone else here, I’m kinda busy with this damn Trump economy.

    I have started it — it’s in the drafts here — but when I finally do have the time to sit down here and write something, I am exhausted.

    I haven’t had a proper day off in fifteen weeks. I am literally working in two different countries on almost a daily basis.

    I do have a three week lull coming up in about a week while the writers and producers take off for whatever the fuck they do. (this is why you never see any good television series on in June or July.)

    But yeah, the homeless situation and the socialist response to it certainly isn’t going anywhere soon here in Seattle.

    Read that article. Check out the rest of MYNorthwest.com to seem some of the back stories — just to give you a basic idea…

    But here is something I see every time I drive from Bellevue into Seattle, right next to the freeway:

    Yes, that is a fucking DOOR built into a WALL, with a fucking PORCH. Right off on the side of the fucking freeway.

    Most of the other people are living under tarps.

  4. 4
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Mueller’s office is now leaking letters to the media.

    UH…NO. The ONLY governmental office that ISN’T leaking ANYTHING is Mueller’s office.

    First of all, you should always look for the ORIGINAL source of the stories you cite. In this case it would be that dreaded “Failing New York Times”

    But as far as the ‘leaking’ goes? That information came directly out of the court filings which, for the most part are all publicly available information. I read all about this stuff six months ago. THIS is how far behind you are on all of this.

    Honestly, Bren, I keep telling you to IGNORE the media on all of this. Get the actual COURT filings on all of this. There is a plethora of actual FACTS in what is REALLY going on in all of this, and it isn’t all about Donald J. Trump.

    READ THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN:

    If you pay attention to the press, you’d think this Russia investigation is solely focusing on Donald Trump. IT ISN’T. It is DONALD TRUMP who is making this all about HIMSELF, and the press is just lapping it up.

    Forget what TRUMP or the PRESS is talking about here. Anything they think they know is six months or a year behind where Robert Mueller is right now.

    Instead, pay attention to WHAT Robert Mueller has done — IN COURT. That is where the TRUTH and FACTS are.

    I read the court filings and whenever possible, the court transcripts. I read the motions, the supporting affidavits, and whatever other evidence they may file as exhibits.

    I can tell you right now, as of this very moment, Mueller’s team has done nothing that even remotely mentions Donald Trump.himself. There has been no officially released indictments, complaints or subpoenas for the president himself.

    In other words, the ONLY thing we have concerning Mueller versus Trump is a TRUMP invented news story, and the media dutifully follows along.

    That isn’t to say that Mueller’s team won’t eventually take overt action against Trump — they probably will. But right now, at this moment?

    NOTHING HAS BEEN FILED, AND NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN LEAKED.

    Here’s a really good piece of advice for you: Go read up on WHO ROBERT MUELLER IS.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    First of all, you should always look for the ORIGINAL source of the stories you cite. In this case it would be that dreaded “Failing New York Times”

    The letter was HAND DELIVERED to Muellers office.

    How did the NY Times get it?

    NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN LEAKED.

    YES IT FUCKING WELL HAS

    Mr. Trump’s lawyers hand-delivered a 20-page confidential letter to Mr. Mueller in January. The letter was a response to his request that Mr. Trump agree to be questioned about allegations that he committed obstruction of justice. The lawyers argued that Mr. Mueller does not need to talk to the president and laid out a series of claims that foreshadow a potential fight over a subpoena, were the special counsel to try to force the president to testify.

    The Times obtained a copy of the letter as well as an earlier one sent to Mr. Mueller in June 2017, a month after he was appointed, which argues that “there is no statutory or constitutional basis for any obstruction charge” based on Mr. Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director.

    One new development is that a pair of letters Trump’s lawyers sent to Mueller’s team — one from this January, one from a year ago — were leaked to the New York Times.

    So..where did those letters come from and who leaked them?

    If they were court filed then thats not a leak..these letters WERE NOT court filed.

    Those letters were in MUELLERS office. So: who else could have leaked them?

    Hm?

    You are fond of caps locks so here you go

    HOW ELSE DID THE FUCKING NY TIMES GET HOLD OF THEM AND WHO GAVE THOSE LETTERS TO THEM??

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    I read the court filings and whenever possible, the court transcripts. I read the motions, the supporting affidavits, and whatever other evidence they may file as exhibits.

    And you will find the letter that was LEAKED was not amongst those filings.

    So again: where was that letter? In Muellers office. Just HOW did the NY Slimes get their hands on it?

  7. 7
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    How did the NY Times get it?

    The Trump legal team gave it to them.

    Those of us who have the benefit to watch this stuff unfold here in real time also get to learn stuff AS it unfolds. For example, the NYT reporter who broke the story was on Rachel Maddow within an hour after posting the story and he was specifically asked how he got his hands on the two letters.

    He said that he got it from a person from Trump’s legal team who requested anonymity.

    But hey don’t listen to me, check THIS out from Lawfare:

    The first question worth considering when a document like this becomes public is who leaked it. Hours before the Times published the letter on Saturday, the president tweeted, “Is the Special Counsel/Justice Department leaking my lawyers [sic] letters to the Fake News Media?” While the president was quick to blame prosecutors for the leak, very little indicates that the special counsel’s office or the Justice Department had anything to do with it. As one of us has written at length, it is generally a good rule of thumb to look first to the defense, rather than the prosecution, when tracing leaks over the course of a criminal investigation. Consider also that Mueller’s office has been famously leak-resistant. And remember as well that while a prosecutorial leak of such a document would be a real impropriety, defense lawyers are allowed to dish to the media.

    What’s more, there are hints that these letters were designed with ultimate public consumption in mind—most notably, Dowd and Sekulow’s decision to pepper their footnotes with citations not to legal authorities but to right-leaning media such as Fox News, the Wall Street Journal editorial page and National Review. (Fox, somewhat oddly, announced that it had “obtained exclusively” the letter—well after the Times had already published it—and the network presumably was not passed the document in a garage by Bob Mueller.) More to the point, disclosure of the letter gave the president’s lawyers a full news cycle in which their theory of the investigation and the obstruction case is the story—a full news cycle perfectly timed to include the Sunday talk shows this past weekend. The Trump team may have made these arguments to Mueller in this letter, but they made the same arguments the president’s legal team has been making in public for a while, so this was a chance to make an extended case to the public. In short, it is reasonable to assume, though we cannot be certain, that the letter is public because someone on or close to the president’s team wanted it to be public.

    A smart person would ask, “What benefit does the prosecution have to release these two letters written TO Mueller? It does NOTHING to bolster the government’s case. As Lawfare points out, it isn’t even written using legal authorities, it is OBVIOUSLY written for PUBLIC consumption, not for a court of law.

    It certainly isn’t the first time that either the Trump lawyers or the Trump White House has deliberately leaked parts of their legal strategy out to the public.

    LCBren says:

    HOW ELSE DID THE FUCKING NY TIMES GET HOLD OF THEM AND WHO GAVE THOSE LETTERS TO THEM??

    ASKED AND ANSWERED.

    Pretty simple: The trump legal team gave it to the NYT. They also gave it to FOX News, who claimed that they had “exclusively obtained” the letters — before they decided it was better not to admit that.

    PROOF, you ask?

    Strange how Fox News had an “exclusive” copy of this letter just before the NYT posted the story themselves.

    HMMMM

    But hey, we wouldn’t want the facts to get in the way of your narrative now, would we?

    :em06:

  8. 8
    LCBren growls and barks:

    He said that he got it from a person from Trump’s legal team who requested anonymity.

    Bullshit.

  9. 9
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Bullshit.

    So FOX News is lying also?

    NYT wasn’t the only news organization who obtained these two letters. The NYT published their ‘scoop’ on June 2, 2018 @ 3:28 PM EDT Fox News tweeted out the tweet above on June 2, 2018 @ 1:53 PM EDT, saying that they had “exclusively obtained” the letter.

    You really have to stop trying to argue something from the position of ignorance. Every time you speak on this, you expose just exactly how ignorant you are on the matter.

  10. 10
    LCBren growls and barks:

    President Trumps team leaks the two letters and then the President makes a tweet asking who leaked them?

    HIS OWN LEGAL TEAM leaked them and didnt tell him???

    Is the Special Counsel/Justice Department leaking my lawyers letters to the Fake News Media? Should be looking at Dems corruption instead?

    Why would he say this if he knew his own team leaked it?

    I call BS.

  11. 11
    Fox3 growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:

    Understand, no worries. Will be worth it when you can :-).

    Please excuse errant case of IG (Instant gratification takes too long to say :-)).

    Hope all goes well for all you have to do :-).

  12. 12
    Terrapod growls and barks:

    DJ, thanks for the pictures of the shantytowns. As one who grew up in some of the “better” third world countries before emigrating, and then spent 38 years traveling to some 57 countries for business dealings, I have seen what real human detritus creates along roads, rail lines, underpasses and hillsides prone to collapse. Millions live this way, but up till 30 years ago or so, this was completely alien to the USA. Now it appears we have imported not only socialism/communism, but also the trappings of shame that go with their policies. There is a small percentage of the population on the streets that should be cared for in mental institutions, but those we have closed and shoved them onto the streets.

    I would say the majority are the illegals, unable to function and so bring with them what they are accustomed to, forming the shantytowns (cantegriles, flavelhas, villa miseria, banelieus – pick your name) just like they enjoyed “back home”. If anyone is wondering why the USA is seeing an uptick in diseases that had been eradicated, look no farther than uncontrolled infiltration by illegal aliens.

    If there was ever an strong argument to closing our borders and evicting all the illegals, this is it. I will not accept that America has to devolve into something that never was part of our culture. Sure there were ghettos in major cities for the legal immigrants of the 1800’s, but they adapted, learned English, busted their asses to get OUT of poverty and assimilated over time. What we have now will not follow that pattern and being bleeding heart over it is not going to solve it.

    Borders have to be completely controlled, anyone here illegally sent back to their country of origin. Children of illegals born in USA are NOT citizens, they have every right to go back to their parents country of origin, they have no right to remain.

    In the case where one parent IS a legal resident or citizen, then the family has a choice, split until the illegal parent can apply for and gain legal status and entry or choose to emigrate to the nation of origin of the spouse. In no way do the taxpayers of this country have to subsidize their existence. The “for the children” argument has run it’s course, I have no sympathy left for lawbreakers that cause the situation these so called “children” are in.

    I have seen how some 70% of the world lives and have no desire to lower our standards to those levels. Even the EU does not match our standard of living, sorry, no offense to Europeans and Scandinavians, but you are not free citizens and are both taxed and regulated to death, you are subjects of the Eurocrats in Brussels or the willfully blind PC culture of death that seems to pervade the ruling classes, you are not truly free peoples.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    I call BS.

    Of course you do. It’s all you have, considering that you know next to NOTHING about any of this.

    LCBren says:

    Why would he say this if he knew his own team leaked it?

    Why does Trump say a LOT of the shit that he says? In case you hadn’t noticed, lying comes easier for him than telling the truth — even when you can easily prove him in his lies.

    But the real answer to your question? He is a master at deception and misdirection. The more he can muddy things up, the more he can confuse numbskulls like you, the more he will continue to do it.

    I know, you find it hard to believe that his own legal team wouldn’t leak documents, right? Well, we DO have several documented incidents where they literally leaked their own documents.

    Remember those “49 Questions” that Robert Mueller supposedly wanted to ask Trump? The ones that Trump complained were ‘leaked’ to the press by Robert Mueller?

    Turns out that Robert Mueller never had “49 questions” — the questions that the NYT obtained were — wait for it — written up by Jay Sekulow, Trump’s attorney. Mueller didn’t write those questions down, Sekulow did. And eventually leaked them out to the press.

    Then there is Rudy Guliani’s press appearances where he’s leaked out more information than anyone else. It was through Rudy that we learned that contrary to Trump’s complete claim of ignorance in the Stormy Daniels case, that he not only knew about the payoffs, he had already paid Michael Cohen back.

    OOPS.

    There is MUCH more, but frankly, it would be lost on you. You don’t understand American jurisprudence — especially the federal legal system. You call ‘bullshit” on something that you really have no clue about. You get your ‘news’ second or third hand and is usually weighted by opinion.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    There is MUCH more, but frankly, it would be lost on you. You don’t understand American jurisprudence — especially the federal legal system. You call ‘bullshit” on something that you really have no clue about. You get your ‘news’ second or third hand and is usually weighted by opinion.

    As soon as you can prove that it was Trumps team and not Mueller, let me know.

    I wont be holding my breath.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Terrapod says:

    DJ, thanks for the pictures of the shantytowns.

    None of this is really new for Seattle. Seattle has a long history of homelessness. The term “skid row” originated here. During the Great Depression, we had our own “Hooverville”

    Terrapod says:

    I would say the majority are the illegals

    That really isn’t the case. At least not around here. In fact, up until about a week ago, I assumed that most of the people living in these tents were from outside the area. A recent survey shows that the majority of the people living on the streets in Seattle are actually from around here.

    Here on the West Coast, people are literally getting priced out of their homes. Here in Seattle specifically, our population jumped up by about a quarter of a million people because of the tech companies like Amazon, Google, and Facebook coming to town and buying up and developing all the land around Lake Union. These new tech workers start out earning six figure salaries, which translates into higher housing costs. The median wage in Seattle jumped from $55k two years ago to $80k right now. The average house went from $300k to a whopping $950k in two years. A one bedroom apartment used to go for $900 a month is now $2700 a month.

    All those people living along side the freeway? Many of them have jobs Some work construction. Many of them make $15 – 20 an hour. They just can’t afford to get a place.

    Then there are the drug addicts. There are a LOT of those. Seattle wants to start ‘safe injection sites’ or have a roving van that runs around from encampment to encampment to help junkies shoot up. The city council thinks that it is ‘inhumane’ to round these people up and force them into some kind of treatment facility.

    It’s insane.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    I wont be holding my breath.

    I have a couple of questions:

    1. Do you think that this investigation has gone on for a long time? Maybe too long?

    2. Do you think that this investigation is about Donald J. Trump?

    3. If so, then what makes you think that?

    These are simple questions, but I am asking them for a reason. They aren’t ‘trick questions’ or anything like that, I am trying to figure out where your disconnect is to the actual facts here.

    You need to start looking at this from a different perspective.

    I’ll give you a hint: The answer to number 2 should be NO. This investigation isn’t about Donald J. Trump. He’s made himself a “subject” of this investigation by inserting himself into it. HE made this about him. He continues to make this about HIM. Everything around Donald Trump has to be about HIM.

    Haven’t you figured this out yet? We are living in Trump’s giant reality show.

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    Terrapod growls and barks:

    Wow, Seattle(and the west coast in general) appear to have some pretty unique ways of dealing with the homeless/drug addicted (large overlap of the Venn diagram).

    I was in Portland and then Seattle about 5 years back for a funeral and the subsequent events to same for a couple of weeks, do not recall seeing this being as pervasive as it now appears. Heck San Francisco was not quite as bad is it is now either. Things must be spiraling out of control and the region must be a magnet for this strata of the population due to all the “free stuff” offered. Insanity it is. I do note that places with brutally cold winters (as in where I live) do not seem to have this issue, maybe global cooling is not such a bad thing, eh?

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Terrapod says:

    Things must be spiraling out of control and the region must be a magnet for this strata of the population due to all the “free stuff” offered.

    They are ‘spiraling out of control’ but not because of the ‘free stuff’. It’s because we have a government here who believes it is ‘inhumane’ to round these people up, sort them out and send them to whatever services they require.

    They send out ‘navigation teams’ to politely ask if they need some help, some shelter — anything to get them up and off the streets.

    Most of the homeless are too screwed up to make a proper judgment call, so most of them refuse the services and/or help. They are content to live “free” and wild. They are allowed to shoot their drugs, burglarize the homes in the neighborhoods that they camp in, and they know that right now the city of Seattle will continue to allow them to do so.

    It’s madness.

  19. 19

    Terrapod @ #12: DAMN!!!! Spot on old boy!!!! :em01:

  20. 20

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #16: “reality show”? Setting up the track that will lead the enemy to the punji pits.

  21. 21
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LC Sir Clambake, Imperial Black Ops Technician, K.o.E. @ #20:

    Yeah, I think ‘reality show’ is a fairly good description. It is, after all the only real thing that he’s been successful at through out his adult life.

    He is an expert at playing the media. If you look at each day as an ‘episode’, you will start to notice the little ‘ciiff-hangers’ he inserts into his blatherings.

    “What will he say or do next? Stay tuned…”