Mueller: Stick a fork in him he’s done.

Game over.

In what was one of the most fucking obvious results of this entire Mueller debacle

Washington (CNN)Special counsel Robert Mueller has told President Donald Trump’s lawyers that the President is not currently being considered a criminal target of the Russia probe, The Washington Post reported Tuesday, citing three people familiar with the discussions.

The special counsel’s team is compiling a report on Trump’s actions as President and any potential obstruction of justice — which Mueller has also told Trump’s lawyers, two people with knowledge of the conversations told the Post.

Guess all those libtards will need to find another topic to fap over, not that these morons ever needed an excuse for their rabid, screaming batshit insane ravings.

So:

No obstruction.

No collusion.

No wrongdoing.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

43 comments

  1. 1
    Azygos growls and barks:

    MSLSD and The Communist News Network have been Fapping over cleavage pictures of the whore who shall not be named for weeks now.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Now if we can only get Sessions to remove his thumb from his ass and start cleaning house….
    :em08:

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster @ #:2
    Housecleaning will have to start with firing lil jeffy sessions and appointing an AG who will act.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    From the FBI perspective, the key words are still “not currently being considered a suspect”. That’s not exactly an exoneration. It leaves the door open to further “investigation”.

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    VonZorch Imperial Researcher @ #:

    “Housecleaning will have to start with firing lil jeffy sessions”

    If, by “firing” you mean “send him fishing with Al Neri,” then yean.

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    VonZorch Imperial Researcher growls and barks:

    Fa Cube Itches @ #:5
    That’d do, but I prefer out of a cannon.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Game over.

    In what was one of the most fucking obvious results of this entire Mueller debacle

    :em05:

    Maybe you should check the SOURCE of this story, since the CNN headline literally says:

    WaPo: Mueller told Trump’s lawyers the President isn’t a criminal target in Russia probe

    The Washington Post’s headline was this:

    Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target

    So where’s the “game over’?

    Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III informed President Trump’s attorneys last month that he is continuing to investigate the president but does not consider him a criminal target at this point, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

    Witness
    Subject
    Target

    These are the only three possible classifications when under federal investigation.

    WITNESS: the most preferable position you’d want to be in if you had to be involved in a federal investigation. It simply means that you are considered to be in the right place at the right time to have witnessed an event.

    SUBJECT: You are not currently being considered for criminal charges, yet you do have information and/or participated in some actions relative to the investigation.

    Target: An indictment is imminent, Charges are definitely going to be filed. You’d better have a DAMN good attorney.

    Here’s the thing: Being a subject of an investigation is NOT comforting. You can go from a ‘subject’ to a ‘target’ in moments.

    The part you failed to notice when you referenced the CNN report (without a link) was this:

    The special counsel’s team is compiling a report on Trump’s actions as President and any potential obstruction of justice — which Mueller has also told Trump’s lawyers, two people with knowledge of the conversations told the Post.

    If Trump were to effect the firing of Robert Mueller, Mueller is required by law to issue a report of his findings to Congress.

    Mueller is preparing a series of reports right now. ONE of those reports deals specifically with the actions of the sitting president during the course of this investigation.

    The Special Counsel, by law, has to follow the same rules and guidelines of a US Attorney. One of those rules deals with indicting a sitting president. There has been a rule, based on a memo made by the special prosecutor during the Nixon impeachment hearings that had the opinion that a sitting president could not be indicted until after he or she left office. That the proper course of action was to remove the president through impeachment, and THEN indict him in a court of law.

    That being the case, Mueller is getting ready to issue his report on OBSTRUCTION to his investigation by Donald J. Trump. He may decide to sit on it for a while, but it IS sitting there almost ready to go.

    And I’m just touching the high points here. We haven’t even gotten to the actual corruption and compromise.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Keep telling yourself that when you go to bed. i am sure it keeps you warm:”They didnt get him for this but they will get him for something, even if they have to make it up”

    What part of “politically motivated witch hunt and fishing expedition” dont you get?

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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:7

    We haven’t even gotten to the actual corruption and compromise.

    Alleged. Alleged corruption and compromise.

    But then again, alleged against which entity? Trump? Mueller? The Fibbies? Because there’s also ample to suggest that the latter two may be complicit in some seriously illegal stuff, too. Well – relative to Trump. The more accurate statement vis a vis the FBI may well be that it has allegedly acted legally on up to several occasions during its existence.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Keep telling yourself that this is a “politically motivated witch hunt and fishing expedition”.

    I’ve been through this wringer before. There is nothing slip-shod or shady about a federal investigation. I would sooner go though castration with a red-hot knife and no pain killers than go through that shit again.

    Trump is his own worst enemy here. He should have been keeping his yap SHUT, and let his criminal attorneys handle everything. But NO, he can’t do that. It is the reason why he no longer has a criminal attorney — John Dowd quit because Trump wouldn’t listen to him, and now he can’t find a criminal attorney who is willing to handle his case.

    I can’t tell you if Trump is guilty of colluding with a foreign government in order to win the 2016 election. NOBODY CAN. Anyone who claims to know is LYING to you. I say that because the Mueller team has been airtight on any leaking. NOTHING is getting out from that office, nor should it.

    But what I CAN say for a certainty is what I’ve been reading in the court documents. THOSE are the official facts of the case.

    For you to say there is nothing to see here is HILARIOUS, especially considering that Trump himself just issued sanctions against a bunch of Russian oligarchs and entities this morning based on the indictments handed down by Robert Mueller.

    SO EVEN TRUMP IS NOW ACKNOWLEDGING RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE.

    And yes, it DOES appear that Trump has been committing the crime of obstruction. Whether he gets charged or not is up to Mueller, What we DO know now is that he has already written up the reports on obstruction which he will turn over as required by law to Rod Rosenstein sometime in the next few months.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #10:

    Mueller has told Trump’s White House attorney (his one criminal attorney quit last week because Trump refused to listen to him) that he’d like to interview Trump to determine Trump’s ‘intent’ behind some of his actions that could result in obstruction charges. Mueller has told Trump that he is a SUBJECT of the investigation, and that has made Trump ‘happy’. Apparently, Trump doesn’t understand that you can go from being a “subject” to a “target” by saying the wrong thing.

    Trump WANTS to talk to Mueller. John Dowd, being a criminal attorney was against Trump sitting down with Mueller. If I were Trump’s attorney, I would be adamantly against sitting down for ANY kind of interview with the Special Counsel.

    WHY?

    Because Trump will LIE. He just can’t help himself.

    Understand this: by the time a prosecutor or FBI agent is ready to sit down and talk to you, they already know the answers. They just want to see if you are willing to lie to them. That has gotten WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE IN TROUBLE OVER THE YEARS. They will snare you on a §1001 and from there you have a choice: plead guilt to the §1001 violation and cooperate with the investigation in hopes for a lighter sentence, or don’t plead guilty and end up with a shitload of charges stacked on you — like Paul Manafort.

    This is how it’s done.

    NONE of this is about ”They didnt get him for this but they will get him for something, even if they have to make it up”, the prosecutors don’t have to do all of that. Trump is stepping in it himself without any help from others.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Alleged. Alleged corruption and compromise.

    Okay, alleged. Still, I’m not even talking about any of that mess. Like I said, Mueller’s office hasn’t released ANYTHING on Trump, YET. Since he hasn’t, then even ‘alleging’ this is a bit premature.

    I can’t tell you if Trump will be brought up on collusion with foreign agents or not. It is VERY likely that he WON’T. At least not him personally. But his former campaign manager and deputy campaign manager probably will. At least Manafort probably will. Gates has rolled over on Manafort, so I expect that he is going to get a bye on this.

    I also suspect Donald Trump Jr is going to get indicted, along with Jared Kuschner.

    ALSO: If there IS a #BLUEWAVE coming and the dems take the House and Senate like it is being projected, Trump is toast. Trump will resign before he faces impeachment in the House.

    If you can impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob, then ANYTHING against Trump will be a slam dunk.

  12. 12
    LCBren growls and barks:

    If you can impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob, then ANYTHING against Trump will be a slam dunk

    Hey

    If you are going to call President Trump a liar, dont act like one.

    Billy Blowjob was impeached for PERJURY. He LIED to a Grand Jury,.He was impeached, and disbarred.

    Bill Clinton was disbarred from practicing law in Arkansas and was also disbarred from practicing law in front of the Supreme Court over the Lewinsky incident.

    There is nothing slip-shod or shady about a federal investigation

    What planet are you from? The Feds have fucked up repeatedly over the last few decades, to say NOTHING of the ultimate FBI fuckup that led to a school shooting.

    COINTELPRO ring a bell?

    I can’t tell you if Trump is guilty of colluding with a foreign government in order to win the 2016 election. NOBODY CAN.

    The Russian claims came from Cankles Felonia Von Pantsuit..by the way,I still havent seen those Clinton staffers arrested or charged for lying to the FBI. Have you?. Odd,innit?

    By the way, Allyn, care to explain this?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/31/politics/comey-clinton-investigation/index.html

    Former FBI Director James Comey drafted a statement exonerating former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for running her government emails through a private email server before completing the investigation, according to two Republican senators.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Hey

    If you are going to call President Trump a liar, dont act like one.

    Oh, I think it has not only been well established that Trump is a serial liar, but it has been well documented also. The man lies even when he doesn’t have to.

    LCBren says:

    Billy Blowjob was impeached for PERJURY. He LIED to a Grand Jury,.He was impeached, and disbarred.

    LOL! You seriously don’t think that Trump won’t lie when HE is required to either interview with Mueller or the alternative, testify before the Grand Jury? If he tells the truth — he’s fucked. If he lies — he’s fucked. Can’t you see the friggin’ mess that he’s put himself in?

    He has only two choices here: Agree to sit down with Robert Mueller, or be subpoenaed to testify before the Grand Jury. BOTH are legally dangerous to him. Once he’s made his choice as to who he will testify before, he then has three choices: Tell the truth, Lie, or refuse to answer on grounds that his answer may tend to incriminate him. (Invoke the Fifth Amendment)

    That’s it. That is the corner he’s painted himself into.

    You are missing the point here. Forget “collusion” or any other focus of the investigation into Russia’s interference into the 2016 elections. Let’s just assume for argument’s sake that Trump is as innocent as a newborn child when it comes to colluding with a foreign adversary for the purpose of effecting the 2016 election.

    Let’s just focus on his time as president, because THAT is where he has placed himself in the greatest legal jeopardy.

    There’s a reason why most elected officials are very careful about what they say in public. Whatever they say will likely come back to haunt them later on. Trump has yet to figure that out.

    Nixon didn’t break into the Democratic Headquarters in Watergate. But he did attempt to obstruct the investigation looking into that burglary — and THAT is what got him into trouble.

    As you pointed out, Bill Clinton didn’t get into trouble for getting a blowjob in the Oval Office, he got into trouble LYING under oath about it and OBSTRUCTION of justice for:

    1. encouraging Lewinsky to file a false affidavit
    2. encouraging Lewinsky to give false testimony if and when she was called to testify
    3. concealing gifts he had given to Lewinsky that had been subpoenaed
    4. attempting to secure a job for Lewinsky to influence her testimony
    5. permitting his lawyer to make false statements characterizing Lewinsky’s affidavit
    6. attempting to tamper with the possible testimony of his secretary Betty Curie
    7. making false and misleading statements to potential grand jury witnesses

    It’s the STUPIDITY of a president to think that they have the power to ‘make this go away’ by trying to get other people to lie or cover up something.

    It is the IGNORANCE of a president to think that by firing the investigators the investigation will magically disappear. IT DOES NOT. Trump can go in and fire every political appointment in the DOJ, and the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election will still go on.

    But it is the ACT of firing an investigator for the purpose of putting an end to a federal investigation that is the very definition of OBSTRUCTION. It is the ongoing threats to fire the AG and the DAG in order to effect the firing of the Special Counsel that spells out a case for obstruction of justice.

    There is PLENTY of evidence that there was “colluding” between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence officers throughout the 2016 election cycle. From the looks of it, MOST of it centers around Paul Manafort and Richard Gates in one corner, and Roger Stone, Donald Trump Jr and Jared Kuschner in another. Donald Trump Sr probably had knowledge of it, but whether he had a direct hand in it remains to be seen. Hell, we may never know the full extent that Trump himself had in any of this.

    But there is have plenty of evidence to support an OBSTRUCTION charge against the president. The question is whether a sitting president can actually be charged or not. That has been a question going back to Nixon’s time. Ken Starr felt that in Clinton’s case that he could be indicted, but decided instead to just file the report with the House of Representatives.

    This is apparently what Mueller is going to do in this case: Ironically, YOU posted this in your original post here:

    […] The special counsel’s team is compiling a report on Trump’s actions as President and any potential obstruction of justice — which Mueller has also told Trump’s lawyers, two people with knowledge of the conversations told the Post. […]

    I don’t think you understand the significance of this ‘report’ being referenced. This could be the precursor to impeachment proceedings.

    It was Ken Starr’s report to the House of Representatives that started the Clinton impeachment proceedings, NOT any felony charges. A felony indictment for Obstruction was sought against Clinton immediately after Clinton’s presidential term ended. But that was long after Clinton was impeached and then acquitted by the Senate. Clinton negotiated a plea agreement where he was allowed to enter into an agreement with the prosecutor to giver up his license to practice law for five years in exchange for not being formally charged with felony obstruction.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    He has only two choices here: Agree to sit down with Robert Mueller, or be subpoenaed to testify before the Grand Jury.

    Wait. A Grand Jury has been empanelled? When did this happen?

    In your foetid imagination,and nowhere else.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Washington is corrupt to the bone, Allyn

    The FBI is politicised, corrupt, partisan, the upper management needs to be cleaned out and replaced with honest agents.

    Congress is part of the Deep State..you know it,i know it. Everyone expected Shrillary to win, business as usual ,the Beltway Bandits get to keep their snug corrupt little nests..but that didnt happen.

    The people had had enough of what Tom Clancy referred to as the Great Network and elected a man to fix a lot of whats broken.

    From day one to this they have been trying to tear President Trump down and replace him with someone they can:”control”.

    There is no collusion and never was. We both know it. There is no Grand Jury and now you are literally making shit up out of thin air. You prate on and on about this and yet the fact remains you live in socialist Canada.

    But there is have plenty of evidence to support an OBSTRUCTION charge against the president

    The Clinton staffers lied about the emails. Hillary lied about the email server. She and they lied to the FBI.

    No charges.

    Not one.

    Loretta Lynch held an off the record tarmac meeting with people she was in investigating. No charges,

    Your entire system is rotten to the core, Allyn. The sad part is that you, like so many others infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome, have no idea who you are helping with this bullshit.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Wait. A Grand Jury has been empanelled? When did this happen?

    Dude, pay attention: There has been INDICTMENTS handed down by three separate Grand Juries so far.

    It is literally how you get an indictment — a Grand Juries issue “indictments”.

    Otherwise, if a prosecutor charges a defendant, then it would be a charge by information.

    At any given time, there may several separate Grand Juries impaneled in any particular district. Each jury has between 16 and 23 members. Not all of them are required to be present to hear different cases — but there is a required minimum of 16 in order to pass down indictments. All a prosecutor has to do is schedule time with an available grand jury in order to present a case to them.

    SO LITTLE YOU KNOW…

    LCBren says:

    The FBI is politicised, corrupt, partisan, the upper management needs to be cleaned out and replaced with honest agents.

    I think you are confusing the political appointees with the rank and file career agents. The current heads of both the Justice Department and the FBI (which is a part of the Justice Department) are … wait for it … TRUMP APPOINTEES.

    And yes, most of Trump’s appointees ARE corrupt. In the Justice Department, Jeff Sessions is at the top of that helm.

    Should I mention the corruption of Scott Pruitt? Ben Carson? Wilbur Ross? I mean, those three are front page headlines right now. So if you want to talk ‘corruption’…

    LCBren says:

    Congress is part of the Deep State..you know it,i know it. Everyone expected Shrillary to win, business as usual ,the Beltway Bandits get to keep their snug corrupt little nests..but that didnt happen.

    LOL! You mean the Congress that was voted in at the same time Donald J. Trump was elected? Don’t you realize that the House elects all of its members every two years? The very same people who voted the orange Cheeto in also voted in their “deep state”?

    You have a pretty skewed idea of American politics — and it shows.

    LCBren says:

    From day one to this they have been trying to tear President Trump down and replace him with someone they can:”control”.

    Do you hear yourself as you typed that? Replace “Trump” with “Obama” or “Bush” or “Clinton” and so on and you’d be saying the same things that EVERYONE says when their man is in the Oval Orifice.

    You should look up The Caucus Room conspiracy. It’s pretty much what the minority party does when they are in the ‘wilderness’.

    Unlike what Republicans did in 2009 – 2016, Democrats don’t have to DO ANYTHING. President Twitter-Fingers has committed so many unforced errors that he is his own gaffe machine.

    Which brings us to your next gem:

    LCBren says:

    There is no collusion and never was. We both know it. There is no Grand Jury and now you are literally making shit up out of thin air. You prate on and on about this and yet the fact remains you live in socialist Canada.

    NO, we DON’T “both know it”. In fact, neither of us knows — YET. As I will continue to impress upon you:

    ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO KNOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IS FULL OF SHIT.

    Nobody can tell you with certainty that Trump himself colluded with a foreign government to win the 2016 election. He may have been aware of some things, such as the famous meeting between Donald Jr, Paul Manafort, and Jared Kuschner with a group of Russians for the purpose of obtaining compromising dirt that the Russian government claimed to have had on Hillary. THAT would have been an attempt at “collusion”.

    As Steve Bannon once said about that meeting, “The chance that Don Jr. did not walk these Jumos up to his father’s office of the 26th floor is zero.”

    But then, that is Bannon speculating. And Mueller’s office hasn’t leaked ANY information one way or the other.

    I have to point out to my friends on the Left that unless you read a detail in a court filing, anything you are reading in the paper is coming to you second, and third hand, from sources OUTSIDE the special counsel’s office and should be taken with a grain of salt.

    But that doesn’t mean that there isn’t any real true facts out there — THERE ARE. Hundreds of pages of court documents are available for you to read. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to be all that interested in the actual FACTS, and instead just choose to humor yourself with partisan blogs and Right-leaning news sources.

    And once again, you are STUCK on STUPID with your insistence that “there is no collusion”.

    I keep trying to tell you: Forget the collusion for the moment. The investigation isn’t over. There has been NO determination one way or the other. That is the PURPOSE of the investigation according to the Rosenstein memo:

    1. Determine if and how Russia interfered in the 2016 elections

    2. Determine if any Americans were involved in helping Russia interfere.

    3. Look into the actions of Paul Manafort and Richard Gates as to their connections to Russia, and their involvement in the Trump Campaign.

    The PROBLEM has been that Trump has an ego that will not let him just STFU and let an investigation run its course. Any other person would listen to whatever legal advice they could get and literally just SHUT THE FUCK UP when it comes to trying to shut down a federal investigation. An investigation that actually started in 2014, NOT by the rabid rantings of some partisan Right-wingers who insist that Christopher Steele was where all of this started at. (you’d know this if you had bothered to read the timeline link I posted in a comment above)

    Because Trump couldn’t just sit back and let the investigation run its course, he is now facing the very real possibility that he may be facing at least one charge of obstructing a federal investigation. That is an actual federal crime.

    Mueller is going to file a report with the House. Whether he does that now, while the Republicans hold the House remains to be seen. If he releases that report now, then the Republicans will probably ignore it. When Democrats take back the House in November you can bet that they will take it up in January 2019. And that will be the will of the PEOPLE.

    LCBren says:

    The Clinton staffers lied about the emails. Hillary lied about the email server. She and they lied to the FBI.

    No charges.

    Not one.

    Can you show me the official court documents where she “lied”? Hell, can you show me where ANY Republican House Oversight Committee member referred Hillary for charges? I mean, there were MONTHS of Congressional hearings, and eleven straight hours of Hillary testifying before Congress. Surely there would be a referral for charges if she lied to Congress. So show them to me.

    You can’t, because they don’t actually exist. You’ve reached your conclusion that she ‘lied’ based only on other Right-wing opinions and nothing actually factual.

    And frankly, the subject of Hillary being loose with “classified” emails sound rather quaint today, when you consider the lack of security clearances that are rampant in Trump’s White House. Not even the White House counsel is able to get a permanent clearance right now. Jared Kuschner, who is supposed to have this HUGE portfolio of responsibilities from world peace to solving the opiod crisis — can’t get a security clearance.

    So tell me again how important Hillary’s emails were?

    :em05:

    LCBren says:

    Loretta Lynch held an off the record tarmac meeting with people she was in investigating. No charges,

    She was investigating Bill Clinton?! Do tell!

    Oh, lemme revisit this:

    You prate on and on about this and yet the fact remains you live in socialist Canada.

    I also live here in the United States. I split my time between North Vancouver and Seattle because of my job. Unlike you, I am also a US citizen, who has had the benefit of living close to seventy years in and around this place. Also, unlike you, I have real-life experiences dealing with the federal justice system. Contrary to your opinion that our “entire system is rotten to the core”, I can attest to the fact that it is anything BUT.

    You fail to realize that the federal justice system has multiple checks and balances. NOTHING is done unilaterally, without other people and other branches of government involved in each and every case.

    Robert Mueller might HEAD the investigation, but he doesn’t act or operate alone. Antonin Scalia wrote in US v. Williams, 112 S.Ct. 1735, 504 U.S. 36, 118 L.Ed.2d 352 (1992) that the American grand jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belongs to the people. It is in effect a fourth branch of government “governed” and administered to directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its authority emanates from the Bill of Rights, the acts of the Grand Jury is the consent of the people. In other words, the Grand Jury gives permission to Robert Mueller to charge defendants. The COURT issue subpoenas, NOT the prosecutor. The prosecutor files a motion to the court for a subpoena. There are so many layers of checks going on that no one person is really “in charge”. If a subpoena or a search warrant is issued, it is issued by the COURT, not Robert Mueller or his office. There has to be something called “probable cause” for a court to issue.

    And finally, you should take some time to actually bone up on who Robert Mueller is, and why people like you trying to tear him down only makes YOU look like IDIOTS. This was on last night. You should watch it — I think you would be surprised.

    Headliner: Robert Mueller

    It will only take 33 minutes of your life. (but I know you probably won’t bother, since it WILL be uncomfortable for you to learn the truth)

    BUT YOU SHOULD TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH IT ANYWAYS.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    She was investigating Bill Clinton?! Do tell!

    She was investgating Hillary.

    But you know that already.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    She was investgating Hillary.

    Technically, she was doing nothing of the sort. Like Jeff Sessions, she was pretty much a figurehead when it came to actual work.

    It’s the DAG that overlooks the actual macro management.

    The ‘Hillary investigation’ was being conducted by the FBI, an independent agency that falls under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department. The Justice Department doesn’t “run” the FBI any more than the Executive Branch runs the Justice Department. By law, they are designed to run independent of the Executive Branch, even though their heads are appointed by the President.

    That is why Trump can’t just fire Robert Mueller. He has to order Rod Rosenstein to fire Robert Mueller. If Rosenstein refuses, then the only option Trump has is to fire Rosenstein for insubordination. The next appointee line would be the Solicitor General. and if he refused, that’s it.

    BIG PROBLEM.

    Once Robert Mueller informed Trump’s sole remaining attorney that Trump was a “subject” of the investigation, then if Trump tries to end the investigation by effecting the firing of Robert Mueller, then that would be a slam-dunk charge of Obstruction of Justice.

    Not only would that be OBSTRUCTION OF A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION, but the investigation would STILL go on. Most of the people who are on Mueller’s team are current federal prosecutors. In fact, every one of the people currently working in the Special Prosecutor’s office are, or have been career federal prosecutors with VERY high conviction rates. Mueller has assembled the best of the best to handle this assignment, and if that assignment was magically ended tomorrow morning, the investigation would still go on.

    HINT: PROSECUTORS CANNOT AND WILL NOT IGNORE CRIMES. They just DON’T.

    You keep harping on this idea that Hillary lied or she somehow got away with something….

    If there was anything, and I mean ANYTHING, that could or would have resulted in a conviction, she’d be indicted, charged, convicted, and sentenced by now.

    Just the fact that you suspect a crime was committed isn’t enough. There has to be a reasonable chance of being able to PROVE it in a court in order to convince twelve people of her guilt. That’s actually a VERY high bar to achieve. It takes only one of those twelve to toss the entire thing out on acquittal. So, whatever case you have first has to get past a Grand Jury. Absent that, ya ain’t got nothing.

    You call this “rotten to the core”. Understand that the first and last line of defense WE, THE PEOPLE.

    While it is the Government versus the Defendant, the government is really THE PEOPLE versus the Defendant. It took a Grand Jury to indict the defendant, and it will take a trial jury to convict the defendant.

    In other words, it all started with us and it will be resolve by us.

    You are just a silly spectator rooting for a team.

    And you have little understanding of the rules.

    Did you watch the video on Robert Mueller yet? If you had, you’d have gotten a MUCH better idea of how WRONG you are.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Mueller has assembled the best of the best to handle this assignment

    Yeah his choices were a Strzok of genius…. :em05:

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    I see you didn’t bother to watch the video.

    Let me ask you this question, and how you answer will determine whether I bother continuing this conversation with you:

    Pretend that instead of Trump, Hillary had won the 2016 election, and there are the very same exact investigation looking into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and whether the Clinton campaign was involved.

    Let’s pretend that Hillary fired Comey and a special counsel was appointed and Hillary was making noise about firing him.

    What do you suppose your attitude would be?

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Let me ask you this question, and how you answer will determine whether I bother continuing this conversation with you:

    Respond or not I dont give a fuck either way,

    Pretend that instead of Trump, Hillary had won the 2016 election, and there are the very same exact investigation looking into Russian interference in the 2016 election, and whether the Clinton campaign was involved.

    There wouldnt BE an investigation, Allyn. Hasnt it sunk in yet?

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    There wouldnt BE an investigation, Allyn. Hasnt it sunk in yet?

    Are telling me is that you are unable to answer a simple question? I mean, there wasn’t anything difficult about it. All I am trying to determine is whether you would be as opposed to an investigation that looked into alleged Russian interference into the US election with an eye on the Clinton campaign colluding with Russian foreign intelligence agents for the purpose of winning the election if Hillary Clinton had won.

    I’d be willing to bet that you would be one of the biggest cheerleaders of such an investigation.

    Read this closely: We KNOW that Russia interfered in the US election in 2016. We know that they were messing around a bit in the 2014 election. We KNOW that Russia has been interfering in the elections in countries all over the world over the past few years. THESE ARE COLD, HARD, FACTS.

    So even if Hillary had won the presidential election in 2016, there would STILL have been an investigation looking into all of this, AND they would be looking at the campaigns of ALL the candidates to see if there was collusion involved.

    In other words, this investigation was inevitable, regardless of who won in November 2016.

    Except for one minor detail: Trump’s EGO.

    Trump can’t stand the idea that there might be some kind of ‘asterisk’ on his election win. He doesn’t like the idea that his win might be tainted by alleged Russian interference. So his first actions were to deny the fact that Russia was playing fuck-fuck in our elections. “It could have been anybody, a 400 lbs guy sitting on his bed”…

    When it was discovered that his National Security Adviser had been working as an unregistered foreign agent for …wait for it… RUSSIA, he started freaking out, demanding that James Comey give Flynn a break and “let it go”. When Comey didn’t ‘let it go” Trump fired him.

    That created Trump’s first case of “obstruction” in a federal investigation. Trump initially tried to make it appear that it was the DOJ pushing for Comey’s firing, even going so far as giving the excuse of how Comey treated Hillary Clinton. But then, when Trump blurted out on national television that the reason reason he fired Comey was over “this Rusher Thing” (sic) he provided the mens rea to support his first charge of obstruction.

    To get a conviction on a federal crime, the government has to be able to prove criminal INTENT. It’s called mens rea, or “guilty mind”. actus reus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea or “the act is not culpable unless the mind is guilty”.

    You want to know why Hillary was never charged with a federal crime? The government was unable to prove criminal intent. In state crimes, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”. You can actually go to jail for committing a crime without knowing you’ve committed a crime. It’s a low bar.

    But in federal court, there has to be INTENT. The government has the burden to prove that you INTENDED to commit a crime that you knew was wrong. It’s a VERY high bar, and one that requires the government to REALLY put in its work to convict.

    A Grand Jury is not liable to issue a True Bill (aka: indictment) if the government is unable to prove intent. When the FBI reached their conclusion in Hillary’s email probe, they reached that conclusion because they were unable to prove intent. WE ALL KNOW THAT WHAT HILLARY WAS DOING WAS AGAINST THE LAW, but without being able to prove that she INTENDED to violate the law, then the law says they couldn’t charge her with anything.

    But hey, that’s our federal legal system. And it is the best in the world. Bar none.

    ====

    I’ve been trying to explain to you what all of this means. UNLIKE you (and probably most people reading this) I have some actual real-life, first-hand experience in dealing with the Federal legal system.

    If you pay real close attention here, and leave your emotions and ideology out of it for a few moments, you might have noticed that I am neither supporting nor attacking Trump here.

    READ THIS CLOSE:

    I don’t know if Trump is guilty of anything or not. I’m waiting for the results of the investigation, and if he is indicted, I’ll wait until the result of the trial.

    I don’t know and YOU and everyone else doesn’t know. This is why we are having an investigation — to find out what happened.

    Trump should have just shut his mouth and let James Comey run his investigation. Chances are, it would have all been over by now and Trump could have gotten on with whatever he was going to do. But NO, he had to fire Comey, which forced the Deputy Attorney General to appoint a special council since both he and Jeff Sessions were involved in the firing of James Comey, so they had to take the investigation OUTSIDE. the DOJ.

    Rod Rosenstein couldn’t have picked a better and more serious person to run this investigation. When I strongly suggested that you should watch Headliner: Robert Mueller I wanted you to see EXACTLY WHO ROBERT MUELLER IS, and why makes you look like a flaming lunatic whenever you attack the guy. I mean, there is a reason why Congress had to pass a law to grant an extension to keep him on as FBI director when his 10-year maximum term was up. He’s the one credited for turning the FBI around following the attacks on the US on September 11, 2001.

    WATCH THE VIDEO, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! You might actually learn something.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Read this closely: We KNOW that Russia interfered in the US election in 2016. We know that they were messing around a bit in the 2014 election. We KNOW that Russia has been interfering in the elections in countries all over the world over the past few years. THESE ARE COLD, HARD, FACTS.

    I will be blunt Allyn.

    Before you go all holier than thou, I will quietly remind you that the US has interfered in the elections of OTHER NATIONS for fucking decades. Questions are still being asked as to the role of the US in the dismissal of Prime Minister Whitlam back in 1975.

    Thats a cold hard fact as well.

    When it was discovered that his National Security Adviser had been working as an unregistered foreign agent for …wait for it… RUSSIA, he started freaking out, demanding that James Comey give Flynn a break and “let it go”. When Comey didn’t ‘let it go” Trump fired him.

    That isnt why Comey was fired and we both know it. Comey was a LEAKER Allyn, he admitted it and a huge slew of questions remain over what he did and didnt know when he wrote an exoneration of Hillary even before the investigation was over,

    Rod Rosenstein couldn’t have picked a better and more serious person to run this investigation

    Rosenstein was the one who recommended Comey be fired.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html

    Mr. McGahn arranged for the president to meet in the Oval Office that day with Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Mr. Rosenstein, who he knew had been pursuing separate efforts to fire Mr. Comey

    and

    Mr. Comey’s conduct during the hearing added to concerns of Mr. Sessions and Mr. Rosenstein that the F.B.I. director had botched the rollout of the Clinton investigation and had overstepped the boundaries of his job.

    Oops.

    Look..I have far more important things to do than bat this back and forth because quite frankly, I find your patronising and obsessive ideal that anyone not in the US doesnt understand these things..disgusting.

    Fuck you sideways, Josephine.

    But hey, that’s our federal legal system. And it is the best in the world. Bar none.

    Not even close.

    I think our Federal Court system and the Federal Courts of a dozen other nations would also have a few words to say about your sickening,overweening arrogance.

    Done with you,

  25. 25
    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #: We DO know that Hillary DID collude to bring down Trump, as did Comey, and Obama, and the rest of them. Hillary was a shoo-in, but SHE STILL LOST! Get over it.

  26. 26
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    I will be blunt Allyn.

    You can actually call me DJ, ya know.

    Blunt is good.

    You are attempting to change the subject here, but first let me get “blunt” right back atcha:

    LCBren says:

    Before you go all holier than thou, I will quietly remind you that the US has interfered in the elections of OTHER NATIONS for fucking decades. Questions are still being asked as to the role of the US in the dismissal of Prime Minister Whitlam back in 1975.

    :em05:

    First of all, remember, I am a DEMOCRAT. As a general rule, we don’t interfere in OTHER nation’s problems. We don’t go into a country, bomb the shit out of it, then hold elections where the voters gain purple thumbs and an American-installed puppet government. You are confusing that with a REPUBLICAN.

    Case in point: In 1975 the American administration was … wait for it … REPUBLICAN. Gerald Ford was the man at the top. The CIA, State Department and every other cabinet-level position were all Republicans. In 1977, United States Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher made a special trip to Sydney to meet with him and told him, on behalf of US President Jimmy Carter, of his willingness to work with whatever government Australians elected, and that the US would never again interfere with Australia’s democratic processes.

    Generally, the US goes into countries to MONITOR elections, to make sure they are fair and transparent.

    Frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck about elections in other countries — all that’s on them. Just like you apparently don’t give a flying fuck about free and fair elections in the US (as long as your “team” wins — and that is what all of this is to you: you rooting for a “team”.)

    But I DO give a shit about OUR elections and whether a criminal nation — which Russia clearly is — is playing fuck-fuck with our elections like they been doing in every country for the past couple of decades — including your country.,

    The rest of your comment? You are just ignoring the facts and cherry-picking media reports that fit your narrative.

    I’ll try to get you to understand what I am talking about in my comment after next.

  27. 27
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    We DO know that Hillary DID collude to bring down Trump, as did Comey, and Obama, and the rest of them. Hillary was a shoo-in, but SHE STILL LOST! Get over it.

    “Get over it.” :em05:

    Don’t we each get to say that to the other when our guy wins? Did you not just spend the last eight years talking shit about Obama?

    That said, maybe you want to go back up and re-read each of my comments here. You might actually discover that I am NOT saying that Trump is guilty of collusion or guilty of anything.

    My comments have pretty much pointed out that Trump is creating all of this shit on himself by his words and his actions. We have historical references to draw upon as to why Trump’s words and actions are doing him more harm than good. He is about ready to fire Rod Rosenstein for actually doing his job and adhering to the law and DOJ rules.

    WHY?

    Because Rod Rosenstein had the audacity to determine that a case against Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, was NOT part of the scope of Robert Mueller’s investigation, and instead referred it to the Southern District of New York, that had already had a case open on Michael Cohen for a while. (unless, of course, you are advocating that the discovery of a serious crime should have just been ignored…)

    Trump could find a way to get rid of Mueller all he wants. What people like you don’t understand is that most of the Mueller team are current federal prosecutors who are on loan to the Special Counsel’s office. If the Office of the Special Council’s office goes away, the cases that were developed DO NOT. They take an oath to uphold the law, and prosecute violations whenever discovered.

    The case against Michael Cohen is NOT under the auspices of the Special Counsel’s office. THIS is one that Trump CAN’T shut down, because the guy in charge of it is the top career prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. He isn’t a political appointee, so Trump can’t just fire him. (Trump’s fault too — he fired Preet Bharah and instead of nominating someone to take his place, he appointed a place-setter who has promptly recused himself — right after signing off on the search warrant to search Michael Cohen’s office, condo, and hotel room.

    Trump floated a trial balloon yesterday when he pardoned Scooter Libby. Call it practice for when he goes and pardons Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, Robert Gates, or anyone else who might be a danger to Trump himself.

    ONE SMALL, TINY PROBLEM:

    If Trump pardons Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen — both of whom are currently refusing to cooperate in the investigation — then if they accept, they are first admitting to their guilt, but then they lose ANY Fifth Amendment protections not to testify.

    That’s right. A person who has been pardoned for a crime can no longer claim a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, which means they can be forced to testify against someone like Donald Trump. If they refuse, then they get a whole new charge. If they lie, they get a whole new charge.

    Oh and Trump gets another count of obstruction.

    Skye, I’ve been there. I know the entire process like the back of my hand.

    Now to get back to Brendan…

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Brendan: Let me try to explain this whole thing in a different way that maybe even you can understand.

    It would not have mattered who won the election in 2016. Hillary. Trump. Stein. Bernie. The end result would still be the same. We’d still have an investigation looking into Russian interference.

    Russia would have STILL been caught playing fuck-fuck in our elections. There would still be the illegal hacking of an email server (a federal crime) and Wikileaks would have still disseminated these stolen (and in some cases, doctored) emails in an effort to change the election outcome.

    If Hillary had won, there would STILL have been an investigation into Russia’s activities. Granted, we probably wouldn’t have Robert Mueller or a special counsel, but there would still be a huge investigation in both the DOJ and Congress. (Hillary wouldn’t have fired the FBI director because of her ego, like Trump did)

    Brendan, YOU probably would have been cheer-leading the investigation with the idea that Hillary’s win was illegitimate, thanks to foreign interference. But since it is Trump at the top, you consider this an ATTACK on Trump instead.

    LET’S JUST BE HONEST HERE.

    I keep trying to tell you that Trump is causing MOST of his problems himself. Sure, James Comey pissed a LOT of Democrats off with his “on again, off again, last minute shenanigans”. Obama should have fired him — but he didn’t. Instead, Trump fired him specifically (and I am quoting here) for ‘The Rusher Thing’ (sic). He actually came out on national TV to admit that was the reason.

    You mentioned that Rod Rosenstein was the one who recommended that Comey be fired. Actually, he was asked by Trump and Sessions to come up with a reason why it would be alright to fire James Comey. In other words, this wasn’t a unilateral idea of Rod Rosenstein, he was ordered to write a report that would justify the possible removal of James Comey. So Rosenstein used the last minute re-opening of Hillary’s email case a week before the election — which is against DOJ policy when it comes to election — as a supposed reason for shitcanning Comey.

    BUT THAT ISN’T WHAT MOTIVATED TRUMP TO FIRE COMEY.

    So you can pretend all you want that Rosenstein did all of this on his own. The reality is completely different.

    Trump doesn’t think things out. He couldn’t ask Jeff Sessions to fire Comey because Sessions had to recuse himself from any case having to do with the 2016 election or Russia. He had legal conflicts of interest, and did the right thing. So Trump had to go to Rosenstein to get rid of Comey.

    Here’s the problem that you just can’t seem to grasp:

    You can get rid of a PERSON, but you can’t get rid of an open investigation. Once opened, it has to be followed through until the end, and a conclusion is reached. Sometimes that conclusion will result in charges, sometimes it won’t. I mentioned above that one of the main requirements for bringing federal charges is on the likelihood of reaching a conviction. If the case is shaky, and there is a greater than even chance of acquittal, then a case is not brought forward. It takes six to twelve jurors (depending on the defendant’s wishes) to convict someone. It only takes one of those jurors to refuse to vote for conviction. So there is already a VERY high bar for a federal case to go forward.

    Since the investigation had to go forward, and Rod Rosenstein was now involved in firing James Comey and could very well be forced to recuse himself like Jeff Sessions had to, then the only viable option was to appoint a special prosecutor.

    But WHO?

    I’ve told you that you NEED to watch that video about Robert Mueller in order to give you an idea of WHY HE WAS PICKED. You apparently like to argue from the position of ignorance — which only makes you look like an idiot.

    It might surprise you to know that I didn’t vote for Hillary in 2016. I deliberately skipped voting for president, because I knew that either we’d be having endless congressional investigations into Hillary, and that Trump was his own disaster waiting to happen.

    I WAS RIGHT.

    All of this was inevitable. We were going to be here arguing over investigations into Russian interference. ME, I would still be trying to explain to you who knows next to nothing how the US legal system works. YOU would still be shouting past me and not paying one bit of attention to the fact that I am PURPOSELY not taking sides in any of this.

    Instead, you’ve just assumed that I was pro-Clinton, anti-Trump and that was where I am at.

    I am NOT. And that’s another thing you simply can’t seem to understand.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LC Grammar Czar, G.L.O.R. says:

    We DO know that Hillary DID collude to bring down Trump,

    Sorry, I almost forgot this because I was laughing so hard…

    WHAT?!

    Colluded with who? Russians? Canadians?

    Uranium One? :em05:

    You should dig deeper into the timeline there. Hannity kinda glosses over that kind of stuff in hopes that you won’t notice…

  30. 30
    LCBren growls and barks:

    First of all, remember, I am a DEMOCRAT

    I hope you get better soon,

  31. 31
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    I hope you get better soon,

    Oh I will. In 205 days, Democrats will re-take the House and probably the Senate. Things will get much better after that.

  32. 32
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Oh I will. In 205 days, Democrats will re-take the House and probably the Senate. Things will get much better after that.

    Do the words “pride goeth before a fall” ring a bell?

    Hubris can be your own worst enemy.

  33. 33
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #32

    I’m just stating the facts as they are now. Democrats are poised to take over at least the House, restoring some measure of accountability on Trump.

    The question is, by what margin are the Dems going to win?

    Right now, it looks like a blowout.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    I’m just stating the facts as they are now.

    Please tell me you arent using RealClear Politics. Their “electoral map projections”for the last election were a never ending source of hysterical laughter.

    i have that bookmarked..any time I need a good laugh,there it is.

    Democrats are poised to take over at least the House, restoring some measure of accountability on Trump.

    Hillary was poised to win as well.How did that work out btw? :em05:

    The question is, by what margin are the Dems going to win? Right now, it looks like a blowout.

    They need better than 11 points nationally,

    California? Oh dear

    At their convention in San Diego last month, California Democrats made some absolutely puzzling decisions. In a stunning rebuke of the establishment, they refused to endorse Sen. Dianne Feinstein. She won only 37 percent support from convention delegates, far short of the 60 she needed.

    Tell ya what.

    Why dont you wait and see..rather than popping corks and inflating balloons to celebrate a victory you havent won yet.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    Please tell me you arent using RealClear Politics. Their “electoral map projections”for the last election were a never ending source of hysterical laughter.

    Actually, I do — only because it lists ALL the different polls in one spot — including the one outlier that has Trump up around 50% approval.

    But maybe you should curb that ‘hysterical laughter’, because if you look closely, the projected results came pretty close to the ACTUAL margins:

    RCP had Hillary projected as winning the POPULAR vote by 3.3 points, and in the actual results (second line) she only won the popular vote by 2.1 points. Well within the margin of error — so contrary to your fevered mind and hysterical laughter, the polls were actually CORRECT.

    HINT: The polls only work on the POPULAR vote tally, not the Electoral College votes.

    So while Trump may have won the office of the Presidency, he LOST the popular vote by over 3 MILLION votes.

    So the polls were still an accurate representation of the actual vote, within the margin of error.

    And you STILL cannot ignore the fact that since the election, Trump’s highest average approval rating happened in February 2017 when it managed to get to the high point of 46 percent. Still there are two out of three Americans who do NOT approve of the job Trump is doing. Even Rassmussen, which consistently runs counter to every other poll, has Trump at 50/49 disapproval.

    So you are laughing over something that is proving your point WRONG.

    LCBren says:

    Why dont you wait and see..rather than popping corks and inflating balloons to celebrate a victory you havent won yet.

    LOL! You know there’s a reason why there are a LOT of Republicans ‘retiring’ this year…

    Also, historically, the Party in power USUALLY loses at leas one house of Congress in the mid-terms. It’s just that THIS one will be a blowout.

    But sure, we can wait another 200 days before I tell you “I told you so”.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    So while Trump may have won the office of the Presidency, he LOST the popular vote by over 3 MILLION votes.

    ..and the popular vote has mattered in a US election.;…when exactly?

    So you are laughing over something that is proving your point WRONG.

    RCP had Hillary winning in a landslide. She lost.

  37. 37
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    ..and the popular vote has mattered in a US election.;…when exactly?

    On every election EXCEPT for president.

    But you missed the point. You were trying to make the case that the polls were wrong. They weren’t. They accurately said that Clinton would win more votes than Trump — and she did. She wound up with over three million more votes than Trump — roughly what the polls said.

    Now what these polls COULDN’T predict was the results of the Electoral College vote.

    Now since we aren’t electing a president in the mid-term elections, the polls mean a LOT more now. The polls are predicting the majority Party will lose at least one, if not both houses of Congress in November. This is not unusual — the Party that holds the White House almost always loses the Congress in the mid-terms. The only real question will be by what margin.

    LCBren says:

    RCP had Hillary winning in a landslide. She lost.

    Are you blind AND daft? Perhaps you missed that graphic I posted in my last comment showing that RCP had Clinton up by 3.3 points. Hardly a ‘landslide’.

    And at the end of the day, more people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump, and today, right now, two out of three Americans strongly disapprove of Trump. He’s never really pulled beyond that.

    It will be interesting to watch Republican candidates campaign without Trump. As most of the special elections have show over the past year, Trump’s help on a campaign is like the kiss of death for the Republican.

    I don’t know why you even bother arguing. You obviously don’t know much about any of this. When I point this stuff out, and send you links to do your own research, you just ignore the facts and blather on about something else.

    Here is the main facts here: Trump’s doesn’t have good polling numbers. Most people here can’t stand him, and will vote him out of office the next time around. A lot of Republicans will vote Democratic this time around because they want some checks and balances on Trump.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Here is the main facts here: Trump’s doesn’t have good polling numbers. Most people here can’t stand him

    isnt that what they said in 2016?

    , and will vote him out of office the next time around. A lot of Republicans will vote Democratic this time around because they want some checks and balances on Tump.

    Will they? Thats not till 2020

    Checks and balances? You mean someone they can control.

    BTW Allyn, in case it had escaped you, a small but very crucial event is taking place. In a few weeks if not less, the Korean War will be at an end, bringing to a close the perpetual state of war that North Korea has fomented since the Panmunjom agreement decades ago.

    North Korea has declared from that day to this that they are still at war.

    This success can be and is directly attributed to what President Trump has done.

    He is the first President to agree to direct talks with North Korea..something Odearibuggreditupagain was too busy appeasing to even ATTEMPT.

    I can be assured that you will handwave this away as you have done all his other accomplishments..so I wont expect you to agree.

    Or to acknowledge that you are just plain WRONG.

  39. 39
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    isnt that what they said in 2016?

    You do realize that Trump only won by about 78,000 votes in three states, don’t you? States that Clinton took for granted. There was no “landslide”, no “mandate” — just the narrow margin of victory in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

    The majority of people who voted, voted AGAINST Trump — and that’s the point I am trying to make you understand here. YES, he won the Electoral College but he did so with the majority of people in this country NOT WANTING HIM.

    And those numbers have only gotten worse since the election.

    The numbers aren’t good for Trump OR Republicans in general. Only in the reddest of districts does an incumbent Republican have a chance in the next election. We’ve already seen elections in districts that Trump carried by wide margins in November 2016 lose out to the Democratic candidate. In those races that the Dems lost, they lost by a MUCH narrower margin than Trump won in.

    Republicans are choosing to ‘retire’ from Congress now, mainly because they’ve seen their internal polling — it ain’t good.

    This doesn’t mean that Trump can’t somehow pull some kind of miracle out of his ass and raise his approval ratings in the next 200 days — but it isn’t very likely.

    There is enough of a resistance in this country right now that the only thing that would keep Trump from being tarred and feathered and run out on a rail is for the lack of tar, feathers and a rail. But then, you wouldn’t see any of this from the echo chamber you apparently exist in.

    The legal problems for Trump have just gotten worse for him in the past week. NOW, his main concern isn’t about Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel, or the Russian investigation in general. No, his REAL problems by way of his personal “lawyer”, Trump’s most trusted attorney, former federal prosecutor Jay Goldberg, came out the other day and told Trump that if Micheal Cohen is charged with a crime (and he’s looking at bank fraud, money laundering and numerous other federal and state felonies) that Cohen would “flip” on Trump in a heartbeat.

    Who is Michael Cohen, you ask? He’s been Trump’s personal attorney for over a decade. More of a “fixer”, really. He’s the one Trump goes to to make problems ‘go away’. He is also the one who set up many of Trump’s business deals with Russians over the years. He also has numerous taped conversations, along with all the paperwork and other records the Feds picked up last week.

    But then, you wouldn’t know all of this in your hermetically sealed political mind…

  40. 40
    LCBren growls and barks:

    But then, you wouldn’t know all of this in your hermetically sealed political mind…

    Pot.

    Kettle.

    Over.

  41. 41
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Oh, and remember that “liar” and “leaker” James Comey? It appears that the attempts to somehow ‘expose’ Comey as a liar by a handful of Republican Congresscritters just failed miserably.

    After all of their huffin’ and puffin’ and threatening to blow Mr Rosenstein down, the Comey memos not only PROVE what he’s been saying is the truth, but also introduced some new information into the mix.

    LCBren says:

    Pot.

    Kettle.

    Over.

    Yes, pretty soon it WILL be over.

  42. 42
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Psst…you know those memos you are busy fapping to?

    Former FBI Director James Comey leaked memos written shortly after his conversations with President Trump.
    The memos were released on Thursday by the Justice Department following requests from House Republican leaders.
    Two of the memos he shared with a friend are now considered classified, prompting the Justice Department’s watchdog to review the matter.

    Fired FBI Director James Comey told President Trump in early 2017 that he is not a leaker.

    “I said I don’t do sneaky things, I don’t leak, I don’t do weasel moves,” Trump recounted himself telling Trump Jan. 28, 2017, in a memo he wrote after the meeting. Comey’s memos leaked Thursday night after being released to Congress. Despite Comey’s claim, Comey eventually decided to leak his own memos to a Columbia law professor, who then leaked them to the press.

    Reacting to the memos Thursday night, Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., noted some of the memos Comey leaked to his friend included classified information, which he called a “big no no.”

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #42:

    You are kind of a dense one, aren’t you?

    Instead of just responding with a half-baked thought, maybe you should have taken a few seconds and LOOKED at the memos — I went to the trouble of actually providing a link. Had you done that, you probably would have seen the following statement that Comey prefaced his memos with:

    What follows are notes I typed in the vehicle immediately upon exiting Trump Tower on 1/6/17. Although wrote this less than five minutes after the meeting and have tried to use actual words spoken, including quoting directly in some places, i have not used quotation marks throughout because my purpose was to capture the substance of what was said. i am not sure of the proper classification here so have chosen SECRET. Please let; me know of it should be higher or lower than that.

    Being the DIRECTOR at the time, he was the one who got to decide what is classified and what isn’t. Comey was the one who initially classified these documents.

    You probably would have also learned that he personally redacted information on the memo that he ‘leaked’ to his friend.

    Had you been able to pay attention to all of this, you would have also learned that when Dana Boente’s versions of the Comey memos were released last week, you would have learned that the contents of those notes were initially classified as “SECRET”, but has been since declassified.

    Let’s not forget that the actual COMEY memos have NOT been officially released. THESE memos were handed over to Republicans in the House who then promptly — AND ILLEGALLY — leaked them to the press in a record 12 minutes. (someone actually timed it)

    So tell me again, who is doing the “leaking” here? :em05:

    ====

    HERE WE ARE, FORTY-TWO COMMENTS LATER, AND STILL YOUR INITIAL POINT IN THIS POST IS STILL AS INVALID AS THE MOMENT YOU POSTED IT HERE.

    :em02:

    Mueller is still there, he is far from being ‘done’, and since your post there has been two more investigations opened up.

    Things are only starting, not ending.