But, Muh COLLUSION!

Our breathless wait (yawning isn’t breathing, is it?) for a conclusion to Herr Müller of the Gest… er, FIB’s “investigation” into Trump/Russian COLLUUUUUUUSION™ has finally ended as we learn that Herr Müller of the Reichssicherh…, er, FIB has heroically indicted no less that 13 (THIRTEEN)…

Russian Facebook trolls.

Yes, that’s right boys and girls, after wasting a year of our time and countless millions of our tax dollars, Herr Müller of the Keystone Kops has come down with an unenforceable indictment of a dozen Russian memesters, shitposters and trolls. For the crime of, we suppose, trolling teh Intarnetz while Russian.

Next, expect Herr Müller and the Stas…, er, FIB to indict everybody who ever posted a rare Pepe on 4chan.

Your tax dollars at work, ladies and gents.

Thatisall.

24 comments

  1. 1
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Forget drainign the swamp. We need to take off an nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

  2. 2
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Our breathless wait (yawning isn’t breathing, is it?) for a conclusion to Herr Müller of the Gest… er, FIB’s “investigation” into Trump/Russian COLLUUUUUUUSION™ has finally ended

    WHERE DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT THIS HAS ‘ENDED’?

    You probably should go back and read the scope of the investigation again.

    I know that Trump likes everything to be about him, but it’s not.

    This set of indictments lays the foundation. There are many more to come. This only deals with a small part of what happened.

    Notice that there are still all of the actual hacking of emails, to deal with.

    I don’t know why everyone is focusing on “collusion” here. It’s not even a crime.

    The word you SHOULD be looking at is “conspiracy”. The act of conspiring to commit a crime has the same penalty and effect of actually committing the crime itself.

    Here’s an example for you:

    Let’s say you and I talk about robbing the ABC Bank on Main Street. We plan the entire thing. The moment we take a tangible step towards doing that robbery, we are guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Bank Robbery. We don’t have to actually DO it, just the fact that we took a tangible step in the conspiracy is all it takes.

    The fact that Jared, Manafort, and Donald J. Trump Jr took the tangible steps to meet with foreign actors in Trump Tower in June of 2016 for the purpose of getting dirt from the Russian government against Hillary Clinton — is a text book case of Conspiracy.

    Obstruction of Justice is another charge you are going to see a lot of here.

    Trump might be innocent of every other crime in this whole investigation, but how ironic it will be when he gets slapped with several charges of Obstruction.

    Remember, Obstruction is what got both Nixon and Clinton in trouble.

    ====

    Trump should have just let the investigations run their course. He should have let Comey do his thing — it would probably have all been over by now.

  3. 3
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Notice that there are still all of the actual hacking of emails, to deal with.

    Oh when they hacked an email server whose password was”password’??

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GREAT SECURITY guys :em07:

    The fact that Jared, Manafort, and Donald J. Trump Jr took the tangible steps to meet with foreign actors in Trump Tower in June of 2016 for the purpose of getting dirt from the Russian government against Hillary Clinton — is a text book case of Conspiracy.

    Oh and

    The bulk of the email revealed that Trump Jr. believed the Russian government would provide him with damaging information about Hillary Clinton during the meeting.
    The meeting’s participants said the meeting instead focused on Russian adoptions, and Kushner says in his statement that he emailed his assistant about 10 minutes after he walked into the room.

    Wait.

    I forgot.

    You still think Pres. Trump got elected so he could build a hotel.

  4. 4
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Trump should have just let the investigations run their course. He should have let Comey do his thing — it would probably have all been over by now.

    Let Comey continue to leak documents to the press you mean.

  5. 5
    LCBren growls and barks:

    BTW

    I am not saying this kid Hogg is an actor, yes he was there yes he was a witness,

    BUT

    “I’m the son of a former FBI agent and that is true, but as such it is also true that I go to Stoneman Douglas High School, I was a witness to this,” he said.

    Yeah, the same office that botched the investigation into the shooter and this

    Not all the students impacted by the shooting came to the White House. David Hogg, who has been one of the students actively calling for gun control was invited but declined, said his mother Rebecca Boldrick.

    “His point was (Trump needs) to come to Parkland, we’re not going there,” she said.

    Listen you arrogant little fuck, you dont tell the President of the United States what to do, and if this isnt about an agenda, then you accept the meeting where it is and dont set conditions.

    if you are serious about what you believe in, then you go to wherever the meeting is. Dont you?

  6. 6
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    The fact that Jared, Manafort, and Donald J. Trump Jr took the tangible steps to meet with foreign actors in Trump Tower in June of 2016 for the purpose of getting dirt from the Russian government against Hillary Clinton — is a text book case of Conspiracy.

    You mean like Felonia von Pantsuit and her wholly owned subsidiary, the DNC, hiring Fusion GPS to hire a foreign actor to fabricate “dirt” on Donald Trump? You know, doing oppo research on an opposing candidate like every candidate in all of history has done?

    Oh yes, that’s a massive “conspiracy” to win an election, right there. Why, I NEVER!

    It’s worse than 9/11, Watergate, Pearl Harbor and the sinking of the Lusitania COMBINED, I tells ya! :em05:

    Not to mention that this sooper sekrit conspiratorial meeting turned out to be nothing but a twat trying to get the Magnitsky Act repealed.

    DJ Allyn, MPSE says:

    Trump should have just let the investigations run their course. He should have let Comey do his thing — it would probably have all been over by now.

    Sure. He should have just let Comey continue committing serial felonies leaking classified materials to serve his own purposes. Actually, come to think of it, that might not have been such a bad idea. If it wasn’t for the fact that Comey had already buried himself deep in the shit by the time he got his arse fired. There are times when it’s appropriate to stop the retarded kid from hitting himself over the head with a shovel no matter how amusing it is to watch him doing so.

  7. 7
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Source

    Note also that the Trump/Putin conspiracy is also not present in Mueller’s charges. Mueller’s charges say that the Russians’ plan to sow discord began in 2014, before there was any notion that Trump would run for president in 2017. The link of the plot to Putin is reduced to the allegation that the plot was financed by a St. Petersburg restauranteur whose connection to Putin is that his business once catered official dinners between Russian officials and foreign dignitaries.

    Money shot

    Mueller has produced this silly indictment of individuals who are not the Russian government in the hope that it will keep the attention off the FBI’s deception of the FISA court.

    and

    Moreover, as we pointed out in our article about Flynn, “Flynn Plead Deal: Proof of Collusion? Not Even Close,” Flynn has admitted to having lied about having had contact with the Russians after the election, not before. His contacts were not only not illegal, they were intended to reduce international discord with Russia, discord intentionally caused by President Obama right before he left office, and they are the type of thing that incoming presidential administrations commonly do.

    This is another Scooter Libby, “lying” to an investigation that is so full of shit I can smell it from here,

    Wait.

    it gets better

    Last week, Mueller indicted 13 Russians for (among other things) pranking a guy into wishing their boss a happy birthday. From the indictment: For example

    on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read “Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss.” Defendants and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who “is a leader here and our boss . . . our funder.” PRIGOZHIN’s Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.

    Mueller aint got shit.

    You know it I know it.

  8. 8
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Source

    Special counsel Robert Mueller has filed additional charges against US President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and a business associate.

    The filing adds allegations of tax evasion and increases the amount of money Manafort is accused of laundering through offshore accounts to $US30 million ($A42 million).

    The additional charges involve much of the same conduct Manafort and his longtime associate Rick Gates were charged with last year in an indictment in Washington.

    The new indictment comes a week after Mueller filed charges against 13 Russians, accusing them of a vast conspiracy to undermine the US presidential election.

    The charges against Manafort and Gates did not relate to any allegations of misconduct related to Trump’s campaign.

  9. 9
    LCBren growls and barks:

    How long has this been going? But but collusion…i dont see it. Do you?

    THERE ISNT ANY AND THERE NEVER WAS

    The only collusion was inside Felonia Von Pantsuits panties when she lost in a fucking LANDSLIDE. Shes used goods.NO ONE wants her and no one wants to see her or that disgraced, impeached, disbarred jerk of a husband who was licking his lips when he saw he had a chance to get back in the WH with all those tasty interns,.

    SHE LOST ALLYN and all this collusion claptrap is her pathetic excuse

    WHERES THE PROOF?

    There aint any

    IS THERE.????

    I dont see it. Do you?

    “But But Jared..” yeah and all that meeting was about concerned adoptions. OMGWTFBBQ…nope.

    Remember the Plame affair? I do. This is a rehash of that sick,perverted travesty,.

  10. 10
    LCBren growls and barks:

    And again

    Gates’ plea deal appeared to be motivated by his concern over legal costs and the strain on his family. The sentencing guidelines for the charges he pleaded guilty to call for a prison term of between 57 and 71 months.

    None of the charges to date against Gates or Manafort have made reference to any connection with Russian meddling in the 2016 election or possible collusion.

    ARE WE SEEING A PATTERN HERE ALLYN?????

  11. 11
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #3-5, 7-9:

    For the sake of economy, I’ve consolidated your string of comments into one for one response.

    When it comes to legal matters — especially those that come out of the FEDERAL court system, I prefer to deal solely with documents filed THROUGH the Court.

    Those are the FACTS. You or I posting news stories from radio, television, newspapers, the internet — all inferior. If you want the FACTS, always use court-filed documents.

    Here’s the thing, Brendan, if anyone is telling you what Mueller is working on right now, then they are LYING. If anyone is telling you what they think the facts are or aren’t — they are lying to you.

    The ONE thing that you can be SURE of here is the fact that there have been a total of ZERO leaks coming out of the Special Prosecutor’s Office.

    All that said, we CAN piece together a few things, based on the court filings of indictments and plea agreements. There are also transcripts that have been selectively leaked out of both the House and the Senate that sheds some light on different things.

    But until I see it in a court document, then it is just more noise.

    Now I have read all of the indictments and plea agreements and they spell out the case. I would suggest you START there.

    The problem with just sitting here and posting op-ed pieces like you did with comment #7 is that you AREN’T looking at the cold, hard facts, you are reading what some other jamoke has told you.

    Notice I am not doing that here. Instead, I am going to simply point you in the direction of the actual court filings and let you learn the facts from them.

    Misha started this thread here by ridiculing the indictment of the Russians and three companies connected to Russia. To the layperson, Misha has a point:

    “Herr Müller of the Keystone Kops has come down with an unenforceable indictment of a dozen Russian memesters, shitposters and trolls. For the crime of, we suppose, trolling teh Intarnetz while Russian.”

    But if you look at it from the view of legal experts, you would understand that this is just a FOUNDATION from which the entire federal case anchors to.

    The initial indictment explains what was happening. But it leaves a lot of blanks. Blanks that will no doubt be filled in with additional indictments.

    Another example is what we’ve seen over the past two days with the Superseding indictments of Manafort and Gates — and then Gates pleading guilty and rolling over on Manafort.

    Those two were initially indicted in November. The former Chairman and vice Chairman of the Trump campaign. Trump crowed at the time that their indictments had nothing to do with the Trump campaign.

    But yesterday, when the superseding indictments came out, we got to learn MUCH more of the story. Like how Manafort was really hurting for money following the former Ukrainian leader deposed and Manafort out of a job. Seems that there was a SHITLOAD of Russia going on in THAT indictment. (I’d go read it if I were you)

    So why were the indictments yesterday such a big deal?

    Well, Mueller is trying to get Manafort to talk. To do that, he had to get Gates to talk. So he made it impossible for Gates NOT to capitulate and flip on Manafort. Manafort is now in the unenviable position of having to decide whether he wants to spend the rest of his life in prison, or talk to Mueller.

    Guess what Manafort’s decision will be…

    I can sit here and speculate for DAYS about whoall is going to end up in prison and all of that, but until I see the court documents, it will just be speculation.

    But here’s a reading list for you to check out. They are ALL court documents — in other words, FACT.

    Indictment of 13 Russians

    Original Indictment of Manafort and Gates

    Superseding Indictment of Manafort and Gates

    Read the charges and plea agreement for Michael Flynn

    George Papadopoulos Stipulation and Plea Agreement

    These are indisputable facts. This isn’t everything — not even close.

    I know that Trump (and by extension, you) want to look at this whole Russian interference thing in terms of collusion, and whether or not any of that pans out or not is not only unknown, but most likely will be unproven in the end. Or at least on Trump’s part.

    But that won’t excuse Trump from being guilty of trying to obstruct this investigation because his EGO won’t allow him to accept the fact that Russians DID try to interfere and/or influence a US presidential election.

    I have NO idea of Mueller will eventually go in that direction or not — again, Mueller isn’t broadcasting his moves. All we have to go on is what comes out of the Court dockets.

    Read the documents. Stop paying attention to all the news stories and opinion pieces.

  12. 12
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Another example is what we’ve seen over the past two days with the Superseding indictments of Manafort and Gates — and then Gates pleading guilty and rolling over on Manafort.

    Those two were initially indicted in November. The former Chairman and vice Chairman of the Trump campaign. Trump crowed at the time that their indictments had nothing to do with the Trump campaign.

    They dont hence no collusion.

    But yesterday, when the superseding indictments came out, we got to learn MUCH more of the story. Like how Manafort was really hurting for money following the former Ukrainian leader deposed and Manafort out of a job. Seems that there was a SHITLOAD of Russia going on in THAT indictment. (I’d go read it if I were you)

    And the relevance to the election is?

    and

    Well, Mueller is trying to get Manafort to talk. To do that, he had to get Gates to talk. So he made it impossible for Gates NOT to capitulate and flip on Manafort. Manafort is now in the unenviable position of having to decide whether he wants to spend the rest of his life in prison, or talk to Mueller.

    Oh?

    “There is no evidence that Mr Manafort or the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government,” Downing said.

    Mueller was hired to look into the alleged collusion between the Russians and President Trump..of which there is NONE.

    One individual who is familiar with an aspect of the Mueller inquiry but asked to not be named told New York that, unlike other federal probes that he’s seen in action, where prosecutors build their cases from clear allegations, this one feels different. “This is a backward investigation,” the individual said. “You don’t have a crime. You’re searching. And so you’re not really sure exactly what you’re searching for. So you start asking around and you see what comes up. And you start creating a paradigm and you see what else comes up and figure out at some point whether or not there’s a crime.

    Thats whats called a FISHING EXPEDITION.

    But that won’t excuse Trump from being guilty of trying to obstruct this investigation because his EGO won’t allow him to accept the fact that Russians DID try to interfere and/or influence a US presidential election.

    Proof please

    Facts please

    You aint got any.

  13. 13
    LCBren growls and barks:

    Trying to get the President for “obstruction” re a politically motivated witch hunt “investigation” into a crime that never happened based on the whinings of a pathetic sore loser whose party paid for a bullshit “dossier” that was used to mislead FISA court, said “dossier” having all the credence and veracity of a three dollar note.

    Puh-leese……

    MUELLER AINT GOT SHIT

    End of fucking story.

  14. 14
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Delta J Nylla (proposed rap name), Mighty Person Serving Everyone, did growl:

    The initial indictment explains what was happening. But it leaves a lot of blanks. Blanks that will no doubt be filled in with additional indictments whatever it takes to destroy that other DJ & the Trumpsters.

    FIFY.

  15. 15
    LC Gunsniper growls and barks:

    Any DA in the country that spent this much time and resources to come up with this feeble level of indictments would be reduced to prosecuting parking ticket scofflaws for the rest of their legal careers.

  16. 16
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren says:

    They dont hence no collusion.

    Apparently you didn’t bother reading the indictments.

    LCBren says:

    And the relevance to the election is?

    More evidence that you didn’t bother reading the indictments.

    LCBren says:

    Mueller was hired to look into the alleged collusion between the Russians and President Trump..of which there is NONE.

    Proof that you never bothered to read the Rosenstein order that created the position.

    LCBren says:

    Thats whats called a FISHING EXPEDITION.

    Again, you need to read the indictments, and supporting affidavits. Oh, and have a general idea of how a federal criminal investigation is conducted.

    LCBren says:

    Proof please

    Facts please

    You aint got any.

    READ. What more can I tell you?

    Your lack of knowledge in the US federal legal system has you at a distinct disadvantage here.

    There is MUCH more to come — I guarantee it. What that is, I couldn’t tell you — nobody can.

    As I said somewhere here earlier, anyone who TELLS you they KNOW what Mueller and his team are doing is lying to you.

    But it IS interesting to watch everyone react. In federal cases, this is what tends to get people in even MORE trouble. They react and end up doing stupid shit and digging their hole even deeper.

    (and I AM talking from experience)

    I don’t bother with the news stories or what some blog writer is going off on. I’ll stick with the legal filings.

    Two more just came out:

    Superseding Criminal Information — Rick Gates

    Statement of Offense – Rick Gates

    Plea Agreement – Rick Gates

    This last one is interesting when it comes to section 8 — Cooperation.

    8. Cooperation

    Your client shall cooperate fully, truthfully, completely, and with this Office and other law enforcement authorities identified by this Office in any and all matters as to which this Office deems the cooperation relevant. This cooperation will include, but is not limited to, the following:

    (a) The defendant agrees to be fully debriefed and to attend all meetings at which his presence is requested, concerning his participation in and knowledge of all criminal activities. ..

    (b) The defendant agrees to furnish to the Office all documents and other material that may be relevant to the investigation and that are in the defendant’s possession or control and to participate in undercover activities pursuant to the specific instructions of law enforcement agents or this Office.

    (c) The defendant agrees not to reveal his cooperation, or any information derived there from, to any third party without prior consent of the Office.

    (d) The defendant agrees to testify at any proceeding in the District of Colombia or elsewhere as requested by the Office.

    (e) The defendant consents to adjournments of his sentence as requested by the Office.

    (f) The defendant agrees that all of the defendant’s obligations under this agreement continue after the defendant is sentenced; and

    (g) The defendant must at all times give complete, truthful, and accurate information and testimony, and must not commit, or attempt to commit, any further crimes.

    Your client acknowledges and understands that, during the course of the cooperation outlined in this Agreement, your client will be interviewed by law enforcement agents and/or Government attorneys. Your client waives any right to have counsel present during these interviews and agrees to meet with law enforcement agents and Government attorneys outside of the presence of counsel. If, at some future point, you or your client desire to have counsel present during interviews by law enforcement agents and/or Government attorneys, and you communicate this decision in writing to this Office, this Office will honor this request, and this change will have no effect on any other terms and conditions of this Agreement.

    Your client shall testify fully, completely and truthfully before any and all Grand Juries in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, and at any and all trials of cases or other court proceedings in the District of Columbia and elsewhere, at which your client’s testimony may be deemed relevant by the Government.

    Your client understands and acknowledges that nothing in this Agreement allows your client to commit any criminal violation of local, state or federal law during the period of your client’s cooperation with law enforcement authorities or at any time prior to the sentencing in this case. The commission of a criminal offense during the period of your client’s cooperation or at any time prior to sentencing will constitute a breach of this Agreement and will relieve the Government of all of its obligations under this Agreement, including, but not limited to, its obligation to inform this Court of any assistance your client has provided. However, your client acknowledges and agrees that such a breach of this Agreement will not entitle your client to withdraw your client’s plea of guilty or relieve your client of the obligations under this Agreement.

    Your client agrees that the sentencing in this case may be delayed until your client’s efforts to cooperate have been completed, as determined by the Government, so that the Court will have the benefit of all relevant information before a sentence is imposed.

    Compared with the same sections in both Flynn’s and Papadopoulos’ agreements, THIS one is FAR MORE INTENSE AND FAR REACHING.

    What is interesting here is the fact that one of the charges Rick Gates plead guilty to on Friday was from a lie he told Mueller’s team when he was Queen for a Day

    And that was less than two weeks ago! :em05:

    Why is Rick Gates important here?

    Everyone seems to want to focus on Paul Manafort. After all, he was Trump’s campaign manager during the time when all of the Russians started coming out of the woodwork trying to meet with Trump campaign officials.

    Rick Gates worked for Manafort for years. He became Trump’s vice campaign manager when Manafort signed on, and he stayed with Trump after Manafort was fired, and continued on through the Trump transition, and would probably have gotten a White House gig if he wasn’t under investigation by Mueller and company.

    Now he’s going to be forced to give up information for the time he spent with the campaign AND the transition. He can’t hide behind executive privilege because he never worked in the White House, and he can’t hide behind one of Trump’s famous “non-disclosure agreements” because he is compelled to cooperate by a criminal court as a convicted felon.

    If he lies — then all of those felony charges that he plea bargained out from under will suddenly come crashing down upon his head.

    NOW ARE YOU STARTING TO GET IT?.

    There is nothing that will stop it. Trump can fire Mueller at his peril. The way the law works, you can fire everyone, and the investigation still goes on until it is concluded, one way or the other.

    Welcome to the US legal system.

  17. 17
    LCBren growls and barks:

    The indictments so far have not indicated that either Mr. Gates or Mr. Manafort had information about the central question of Mr. Mueller’s investigation — whether Mr. Trump or his aides coordinated with the Russian government’s efforts to disrupt the 2016 election.

    The President wont fire Mueller. He will let him bury his own career when this garbage fishing expedition turns up nothing.

    I restate


    Trying to get the President for “obstruction” re a politically motivated witch hunt “investigation” into a crime that never happened based on the whinings of a pathetic sore loser whose party paid for a bullshit “dossier” that was used to mislead FISA court, said “dossier” having all the credence and veracity of a three dollar note.

    Puh-leese……

    MUELLER AINT GOT SHIT

    End of fucking story

  18. 18
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #17:

    There’s no reason to argue with you. It’s pointless. You know absolutely zero about the law — and it shows.

    If you want to talk about the law and the strategy involved here and all that, then fine. I’ll be your Huckleberry. I know more about federal law than most people do, and have some real life experiences in dealing with the federal court system.

    I’m more than happy to discuss that with you.

    But when it comes to the law, there is ZERO room for politics.

    Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but I don’t care to discuss the politics here. I am too burned out by all that nonsense. If that’s what you want to talk about, then you can leave me out of it. I’ll yield to your idiocy. You won the POLITICAL argument. Congratulations.

    But if you want to talk about the legal strategies here and what all of this actually means, then I can to that.

    But if you think that “MUELLER AINT GOT SHIT” and it is the “End of fucking story”, then boy, are your little feelings going to be hurt.

    Oh, and all that nastiness you like to sport? Nobody’s impressed.

  19. 19
    LCBren growls and barks:

    But when it comes to the law, there is ZERO room for politics.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh wait you are serious.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    When is Hillary going to be prosecuted? Never

    But if you think that “MUELLER AINT GOT SHIT” and it is the “End of fucking story”, then boy, are your little feelings going to be hurt.

    Come talk to me when those Clinton staffers are charged with lying to the FBI

    Perhaps you haven’t noticed, but I don’t care to discuss the politics here.

    No?

    Look a few posts up.

    S’matter Allyn, cant take the heat?

    I’ll make this simple/

    Washington is corrupt to the core, Comey was a leaker, Srzok suspect and now mired in Personnel,

    Clinton repeatedly claimed she did not have any classified emails on her server from time at the State Department, but an FBI investigation found some classified information ended up on her private server, which was an unclassified system.

    And it was disclosed that Strzok had watered down language in a memo from Comey to remove the term ‘grossly negligent’ from the description of how Clinton handled intelligence and replaced it with ‘extremely careless’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5154965/Hillary-charged-secret-server-hints-FBI-boss.html#ixzz58BHh1JV4
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    and

    Huma Abedin: Cleared despite telling untruths

    Hillary Clinton’s right-hand woman was interviewed by Strzok and questioned about her knowledge of the existence of Clinton’s secret server.

    Strzok wrote a summary of the interview which said: ‘Abedin did not know that Clinton had a private server until about a year and a half ago when it became public knowledge.’

    In fact Abedin had been involved in a series of email exchanges which demonstrated that she knew about the server, including one from an IT aide whihc said: ‘I had to shut down the server. Someone was trying to hack us…’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5154965/Hillary-charged-secret-server-hints-FBI-boss.html#ixzz58BHw2YSf
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    She lied Wheres the charges?

    Cheryl Mills: Cleared despite telling untruths

    Mills was chief of staff and counselor to Clinton when she was Secretary of State.

    Strzok summarized the interview with her which he conducted in April 2016, saying: ‘Mills did not learn Clinton was using a private server until after Clinton’s tenure. Mills stated she was not even sure she knew what a server was at the time.’

    In fact a series of emails from the time demonstrated that neither assertion by Mills could be true.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5154965/Hillary-charged-secret-server-hints-FBI-boss.html#ixzz58BIMAxqo
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    and again.

    No charges.

    “The law has nothing to do with politics”

    God. You have GOT to be joking,.

    NO ONE is this naive.

  20. 20
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBren @ #19:

    There’s no point in arguing with you. You have ZERO idea of what you are talking about, and rely on op-ed bullshit to form your opinions for you.

    I’d be willing to bet you that you have never bothered to read the actual COURT FILINGS like I suggested to you.

    Instead, you choose to rely on news articles and op-ed bullshit as long as you think it bolsters your preconceived notions on this subject. Not only is that being intellectually lazy, but you will invariably get it WRONG.

    The OFFICIAL story is in the court filings. It’s the only story that COUNTS.

    Have some patience. More indictments are coming out. Most will probably be for people nobody has ever heard of, and most will have nothing to do with Donald J. Trump Sr. In fact, I suspect that we won’t see any indictments for Trump himself — there are some legal questions whether a sitting president can be indicted. But you are likely to see the House get a report recommending impeachment.

    Whether the House decides to take that up or not would be up to the Majority in the House at that time.

    CURRENTLY? Not a chance in hell. Trump could nuke New York City and not get impeached by this Republican House.

    Also, the overall conviction rate in federal court is right around 99.8%. If you take your case to trial you have about a seven percent chance of beating the charge. (93% conviction rate on cases that are taken to trial)

    I fully expect to see Manafort roll pretty soon. It’s about self-preservation. When Gates accepted his plea agreement the other day, he gave up a potential sentence of over sixty years in favor of serving a sentence of around 78 months. With the acceptance of Responsibility and the fact that he is cooperating with the special prosecutor’s office now, he could be out of prison in less than four years.

    Meanwhile, Manafort is still sitting on top of charges that will make sure he never comes out of prison alive. If Mueller didn’t believe that Manafort has information that Mueller wants, then he wouldn’t be turning the screws on Manafort like he is right now.

    UNLIKE YOU, I haven’t reached a decision on who, or what yet. I can tell you what it LOOKS like, but that wouldn’t be accurate.

    I think you are missing my point here, Brendan.

    There are certain things in life that should never be decided in the political circus. When it comes to the LAW itself, and the practice thereof, I have always eschewed the press in favor of the official court filings. This is why you can post all of your news articles and blog postings you want to try and “prove” your position — AND I WON’T EVEN BOTHER TO READ THEM.
    I don’t, because they aren’t the official, accepted facts.

    Look at it this way:

    Would you rather Trump be removed from office by opinion or by fact?

    Think about this for a moment.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Let me see if I can boil this down into a couple of short thoughts here…

    I spent four years of my young life going to law school. Then decided that the law wasn’t for me, so I went into psychology. Ended up with two degrees that I never use.

    You ridiculed what I had to say about law and politics not mixing. In MY world, they are two separate things.

    Here in America, we are a nation of LAWS. We don’t operate under politics — that is secondary to everything. The Rule of Law prevails over politics each and every time. If it didn’t, we’d be … Russia.

    When it comes to LEGAL stuff that involves an actual COURT and the actual LAW, you should never insert politics.

    You might have a political interest in how a case turns out, but the case is never decided on the politics, it is decided on the facts and the merits of the case.

    You (and a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum) ARE looking at this in political terms. AND IT IS WRONG REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR POLITICAL ‘SIDE’ IS.

    I caution my friends on the Left when they think they have another “AHA!” news story telling them how crooked everything is. Until I see it as an actual court-filed document, it is only speculation and should be treated as such.

    i think I mentioned somewhere here recently that if anyone is telling you For SURE that they know what Mueller is doing or whether he ‘has anything” is full of SHIT.

    The beauty of this particular investigation is that even through all the noise put out by both the Right and the Left, along with the bellowings of the President himself, NOT ONE TINY THING HAS ACTUALLY LEAKED OUT OF THE OFFICE OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL.

    NOTHING.

    We aren’t getting the same kind of leaks that pour out of the West Wing or out of Congress. In fact, with the exception of the indictments against Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort, none of the other indicted defendants were on anyone’s radar.

    I urge you to go read all of the actual COURT filings. Stay away from the newspapers, radio, television, internet. Just read the actual legal documents. THAT kind of stuff I will happily discuss with you. Having been though this, I do have a MUCH better understanding than you ever will about how the Federal court system works.

    It could very well be that Trump comes out of this whole thing totally unscatned. I can’t make that call right now and neither can you. I can tell you the strategy here. I can also tell you that when it comes to American jurisprudence, there is no better system in the world.

    READ THIS NEXT LINE SLOWLY, AND CAREFULLY:

    I am not making any preconceived notions here. You haven’t heard me argue anyone’s ‘guilt’ or “innocence” here other than those who have already plead guilty and are cooperating.

    i have some GUESSES as to the eventual outcome, but they aren’t important here — at this time.

    This is a three-prong case from the looks of it.

    I. Russian hacking of RNC and DNC emails — No indictments yet
    II. Russian interference into the US elections — 13 individuals and 3 entities indicted so far
    III. Were any Americans involved? — 5 people indicted, 4 people have plead guilty and are now cooperating

    So far, there have been over 120 felonies charged and counting. So the idea that there is “nothing there” is ignoring the obvious.

    This is also just the beginning. There WILL be more coming out. I predict that Manafort will cave pretty soon and enter into his own plea agreement.

    (If you don’t think THIS is important, go and read the plea agreement for Richard Gates, under Section 8. This guy ohly needs to be caught up in one lie, make one tiny mistake in his cooperation, and he is looking at over 100 years in prison.)

    Before Robert Mueller was picked for his current job, he enjoyed a sterling reputation across party lines. He prosecuted Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie bombing) case, and the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti among other things. He is a decorated Marine who served in Vietnam.

    Maybe you should read up on the man himself. I mean, you’ve called the man everything but white, and yet you probably know absolutely nothing about him.

    Maybe you should acquaint yourself with him before you talk shit about him.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Here in America, we are a nation of LAWS.

    Here too. It may come as a complete shock to you, but other nations have laws. Whoodathunk it?

    We don’t operate under politics — that is secondary to everything.

    Chappaquiddick ring a bell?

    The Rule of Law prevails over politics each and every time. If it didn’t, we’d be … Russia

    Then why arent Hillarys staff arrested and charged for lying to the FBI?

    When it comes to LEGAL stuff that involves an actual COURT and the actual LAW, you should never insert politics.

    I an ideal world, sure. This aint an ideal world, Your law and Washington are corrupt. Hate to be the one to break it to you.

    I. Russian hacking of RNC and DNC emails — No indictments yet
    II. Russian interference into the US elections — 13 individuals and 3 entities indicted so far
    III. Were any Americans involved? — 5 people indicted, 4 people have plead guilty and are now cooperating

    And yet, to this day, not one skerrick of fact or proof of any kind had been shown to indicate that President Trump or anyone else in his campaign colluded with Russia in any way to influence the elections

    Funny how that small caveat wasnt in either one of your little screeds.

    There are certain things in life that should never be decided in the political circus.

    Yet they are, every single day. Your ideal world vs reality,.Guess which one wins.

    THAT kind of stuff I will happily discuss with you. Having been though this, I do have a MUCH better understanding than you ever will about how the Federal court system works.

    You are making the erroneous, arrogant and again fucking offensive assumption that i dont know.

    Tell ya what Allyn, I’ll make a bet with you.

    I’ll wager that if we were to have a competition, questions of the contents and texts of Australian and NZ Constitutions and court systems, vs my knowledge FROM MEMORY of the US Constitution and court systems, one of us would fall flat on their faces.

    Hint: it wont be me.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    I. Russian hacking of RNC and DNC emails — No indictments yet

    Nor will there ever be.

    Mind you this wouldnt have been an issue if the Dems knew better than to have “password” as their password on their email server.

    GREAT security there guys :em05:

    II. Russian interference into the US elections — 13 individuals and 3 entities indicted so far

    And he has fuck all chance of getting ANY of them. He has indicted shitposters.God Im impressed.

    III. Were any Americans involved? — 5 people indicted, 4 people have plead guilty and are now cooperating

    And none of them, (this includes Manafort who was under investigation for years) have yet shown any evidence of “collusion:” I am well aware of that little screed on what they have to do…thats a standard rider when they are under the gun..do what we say tell the truth or else..shock horror thats NEVER happened before..yes it has)

    Speaking of which

    Special counsel Robert Mueller moves to dismiss charges brought against former Trump campaign official Rick Gates in a court in Alexandria, Virginia.The charges include bank fraud and tax fraud.Gates pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy against the U.S. and lying to federal investigators.

    and

    Gates, 45, is being relieved of more than 20 criminal counts, all of which were announced Thursday in a second criminal indictment against him and former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Gates was a close business associate of Manafort, who is a longtime lobbyist for Ukrainian political parties supportive of pro-Russian former President Viktor Yanukovych. The former Ukrainian president is living in exile in Russia and wanted for high treason by his country.

    He and Manafort are in the same boat, AGAIN nothing to do with the election.

    Ignore this all you like but

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

    Incidentally

    No Americans have been charged with being witting participants in this Russian election interference effort. However, one American, Richard Pinedo of California, pleaded guilty to an identity fraud charge, seemingly because he sold bank account numbers created with stolen identities to the Russians. Pinedo agreed to cooperate with the probe as part of his plea deal.

    and

    Flynn reportedly lied about his talks with Russia’s ambassador to Washington. In late 2016, while former President Barack Obama was still in office, the two allegedly spoke about the U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia.

    Really,what you are pinning your hopes on is that Mueller will use this to “sweat them” into divulging details into possible “collusion”

    (Its called leverage, guess what I know what that is too. WOW.)

    When he finds any, let me know.

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    LCBren growls and barks:

    Almost forgot

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/10/13/the-long-history-of-the-u-s-interfering-with-elections-elsewhere/?utm_term=.538de55b2242

    Aside from its instigation of coups and alliances with right-wing juntas, Washington sought to more subtly influence elections in all corners of the world. And so did Moscow. Political scientist Dov Levin calculates that the “two powers intervened in 117 elections around the world from 1946 to 2000 — an average of once in every nine competitive elections.”

    “We had bags of money that we delivered to selected politicians, to defray their political expenses, their campaign expenses, for posters, for pamphlets,” recounted F. Mark Wyatt, the CIA officer who handled the mission and later participated in more than 2½ decades of direct support to the Christian Democrats.< /blockquote>

    and

    This template spread everywhere: CIA operative Edward G. Lansdale, notorious for his efforts to bring down the North Vietnamese government, is said to have run the successful 1953 campaign of Philippines President Ramon Magsaysay. Japan’s center-right Liberal Democratic Party was backed with secret American funds through the 1950s and the 1960s. The U.S. government and American oil corporations helped Christian parties in Lebanon win crucial elections in 1957 with briefcases full of cash

    Kinda puts a whole new perspective on things, doesnt it :em03: :em03:

    Or had you forgotten?