Santa Claus was in the SS or Something and, by the Way, Trump is Still LITERALLY HITLER™

Don’t say we didn’t get anything for Christmas last year. We got the most incandescently inane Hitler comparison we think we’ve ever seen, courtesy of some rag called Newsweek, whose claim to fame is mainly having been sold for the princely sum of $1.00 (an absolute ripoff! The buyer should have sued).

With only days left of 2017, Newsweek managed to win the Dumbest Article of 2017™ with its late submission, and this in a year that saw more concentrated, industrial grade media idiocy than any other year in recorded history.

Hmm… We guess they finally did manage to achieve something.

Many of Trump’s Christian supporters argue that the president is ending the so-called war on Christmas, which has been presented by evangelicals and Fox news anchors as a threat to America’s Christian culture.

And absolutely nobody else. Just those ignorant Bible thumping maniacs and, of course FOX NEWS! Yep. That’s it.

Trump supporters say Americans have become too politically correct when they wish people happy holidays, a neutral term that can be used for people who celebrate Hanukkah, Eid al-Adha or any other religious holiday that takes place around the same time as Christmas.

For some values of “around the same time.” Hanukkah was Dec 12-20 last year, and Eid was September 1-4, a mere 3 months and 3 weeks before Christmas so, “around the same time.” The same year, at the very least.

Which is, of course, still missing the point entirely. If His Imperial Majesty wishes to extend his happy wishes to a Jew on Hanukkah, he’ll say something like, we don’t know, “Happy Hanukkah”. We fail to see the need for a “neutral term”, in fact we find it a bit insulting. As if we’re trying to be polite and inclusive, but G-d forbid we should take that vile, heathen word in our mouth! Happy Hanukkah. There, we did it again! And yet our foreskin hasn’t fallen off, nor did a yarmulke suddenly materialize on top of our head which, we have to admit, would be a pretty amazing party trick.

Imagine that.

Come to think of it. Those yearly dinners SCoaMF used to host, they weren’t called by a “neutral term” such as “totally nondescript period of fasting from sunup until sundown dinners”, were they? Why not? Yes, that was a rhetorical question. So why the singling out of Christmas? Nope, no war there, not even the slightest inkling of hostile sentiment, no sirree.

But critics counter that Trump is promoting a version of the holidays that excludes members of other religions,

Keep in mind that when a Prozi Presstitute uses the term “critics”, it means “we” or “I”, they’re just too dishonest to admit it and think that everybody else are as dumb as they themselves are.

and that his crusade to bring back Christmas

“But the CRUSADES!”

Again with this arrant nonsense?

*Sigh*

Also, we weren’t aware that Christmas had left, no matter how much the Prozis would like for it to do so.

is part of a larger attempt by the president to define America as a country for white Christians alone.

And we suppose that “Happy Easter” is part of a larger attempt to define America as a country for chocolate bunnies alone? We get so confused at times. Similarly, celebrating Cinco de Mayo must be a blatant crusade to Make America Mexico Again, St. Patrick’s Day is part of a larger attempt to get everybody shitfaced on beer with food coloring in it while wearing funny hats and so on and so forth.

Wishing people “merry Christmas” instead of “happy holidays” is thus in line with Trump’s decision to ban citizens of Muslim-majority countries from entering the United States, critics say

You mean “you say.” And did we miss citizens of Malaysia being banned from entry? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Dammit, it’s getting impossible to keep up. Unless of course those three countries, along with all of the other muslim-majority countries not on the travel ban list suddenly went majority Christian due to Evangelical grannies from Oklahoma walking around saying Merry Christmas to them.

It fits neatly with his refusal to condemn white supremacists when they march against diversity,

Condemning both sides in a fight for being a bunch of violent brats is the equivalent of refusing to condemn one of the sides. Interesting dictionary you have there. Maybe try to read it, perhaps? For comprehension, this time?

and with his condemnation of athletes who protest police brutality against black men.

Because that was exactly what he was criticizing them for! “Protesting police brutality against black men”. We remember it so very clearly. “How DARE you protest the wanton murder of black men? SAD!” That’s literally what he said, LITERALLY!!!

With this in mind,

In order to have anything in mind, you have to first possess one which you, clearly, do not.

the fight to end the war on Christmas is exclusionary politics at its most flagrant.

“I see such invocations of Christmas as a kind of cypher, what some would call a dog whistle. It does not appear to be intolerant or extreme, but to attentive audiences it speaks volumes about identity and belonging—who and what are fully American,” Richard King, a professor at Washington State University who studies how white supremacists exploit culture, told Newsweek.

Finally a source that is not “voices in my head.” That’s something, we suppose. That it’s a Prozi Perfessor from Vladivostok University isn’t much better, but it’s a step in the right direction. A baby step. A paraplegic baby with no legs step.

“Much like ‘Make America Great Again,’ panics over the protests by NFL players and the defense of Confederate memory, Christmas is a way to talk about peril, to assert a soft or hard version of white nationalism,” he said.

Ah yes. That lovely time of year when we gather around the Yule Log, eggnog at hand in ridiculous quantities, marveling at the majesty of the Christmas tree whilst the kids unpack their gifts and we adults discuss the virtues of white nationalism and our imminent plans for invading Poland.

Such a wonderful time of year, it is.

Trump isn’t the first political figure in history to co-opt Christmas. In fact, some see parallels between Trump’s speeches in front of Christmas trees and attempts by authoritarian regimes like the Nazis to manipulate popular celebrations to promote a political ideology.

You thought we were engaging in hyperbole there, didn’t you? Sadly, we were not. This time we were innocent as a lamb, pure as the driven snow. Yep, not even halfway through and Newsweek already slammed gleefully, deliberately and loudly into Godwin.

Hitler, that most devout of Evangelical Christians (just read Mein Kampf if you don’t believe us, it reads like the New Testament!) sometimes held speeches at Christmas, JUST LIKE TRUMP!!!!

Q.E.Frackin’.D.!!!!!!

Likewise, Nazi Germany’s propagandists rooted their idea of Christmas in visions of ethno-nationalism. They rewrote the lyrics of Christmas carols, promoted Nazified holiday traditions and launched numerous Christmas charity events for poor Germans.

You’re damned right they rewrote some lyrics and tried (with absolutely no luck at all) to make a Nazi version of Christmas because, wait for it, they aimed to replace Christmas and Christianity with National Socialism.

Again: Read Mein Kampf. This time we’re not being sarcastic. That actually IS in there.

But, being not complete idiots (sadly, the war might have never happened if they had been), they knew only too well how replacing Christmas with something else overnight would fly. Hint: Just about as well as the Hindenburg on a windy day in New Jersey. So they went about trying to replace it bit by bit and, once again, failed miserably.

Almost like some contemporary fascists we could mention.

So yes, there are parallels. Just not the ones you’d like for us to notice. But, as always, you just can’t help yourselves, can you?

You really need to stop projecting, it makes this all too damned easy.

Thatisall.

27 comments

  1. 1
    Terrapod growls and barks:

    Misha, that you had the fortitude to even read a Newsqueak article is astounding, I would not reglate them to being parrot cage linings (oops, my bad, they are no longer in print, are they?). I trust you celebrated Hogmanay and consumed adult quantities of aqua vitae along the way.

    Have a safe and warm 2018, with extra “unexpected” income on top.

    Long live the Trumpster, we need 8 years at minimum to turn the country onto the right heading. I worry about whom the cucks will try to put up as a candidate in 2024, but with some luck a good slice of the gerontocrats will be passing away by then.

  2. 2
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Newsweek? Newspeak.

  3. 3
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    I’m sorry, but I can’t equate Trump with Hitler. There is just no comparison.

    No, Trump is more like Nixon in the sense that he doesn’t know when to just sit down and shut up over this investigation. He fired Comey, which got him Mueller. It’s what happens when you create a situation where you’ve forced the DOJ to go outside to find independence for an investigation. Nixon fired a special prosecutor — it ended up badly for Nixon, because even though you get rid of a special prosecutor, there is still going to be an ongoing investigation, and the same exact conditions exist both before and after the firing: there is still a requirement for an independent counsel in order to complete an independent investigation.

    I mean, there ARE actual federal statutes involved here…

    I’ve said this before and I will say it again: I seriously doubt that Trump is guilty of colluding with a foreign government in trying to win a US election by committing a federal crime in hacking and disseminating stolen emails. (remember, that is still actually a serious federal crime to either commit or abate the commission of illegally hacking. People do go to prison for that every day.)

    That doesn’t mean his idiot kids aren’t on the hook for it.

    Here’s the thing: If Trump had just kept quiet and let Comey do his thing, Trump probably had nothing to worry about.

    But as of today, I can count at least five separate incidents where Trump could possibly face an obstruction of justice charge — for interfering in the investigation.

    Remember, Nixon didn’t get in trouble for breaking into the Democratic National Headquarters, he got in trouble over trying to cover it up or obstructing the investigation.

    So yeah, I’ll compare Trump to Nixon, simply because he is too fucking stupid to understand that his own actions are digging his hole deeper.

  4. 4
    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Nixon? A piker.

  5. 5
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:

    No, Trump is more like Nixon in the sense that he doesn’t know when to just sit down and shut up over this investigation

    No, he isn’t Nixon. As I understand it, Nixon didn’t know about the break-in. If he ahd thrown Liddy and the others under the bus, he would have completed his second term.

    Second, with the exception of the young Felonia von Pantsuit, the investigators were actually interested in finding out the truth, not destroying the President. They also, as I recall, didn’t play games like kicking in a door at 4am for intimidation purposes and stack the investigation team with people of questionable ethics, (Again, excluding the young Felonia von Pantsuit)
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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    angrywebmaster says:

    No, he isn’t Nixon. As I understand it, Nixon didn’t know about the break-in. If he ahd thrown Liddy and the others under the bus, he would have completed his second term.

    Nixon didn’t have prior knowledge of either breakin. (Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist and the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex) He didn’t create the “White House Plumbers” nor did he start his own “enemies list”.

    On September 3, 1971, the “White House Plumbers” broke into Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office looking for dirt to discredit Ellsberg. Nixon probably knew nothing of it at the time.

    On June 17, 1972, the “White House Plumbers” were arrested at 2:30 a.m. in the process of burglarizing and planting surveillance bugs in the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Building Complex. It made the national news. By 5PM, everybody and their brother knew what had happened.

    On June 23, 1972: In the Oval Office, H.R. Haldeman recommends to President Nixon that they attempt to shut down the FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in, by having CIA Director Richard Helms and Deputy Director Vernon A. Walters tell acting FBI Director L. Patrick Gray to, “Stay the hell out of this”. This is on tape, and is the basis that caused Republicans on the Hill to eventually go to Nixon and tell him that he should resign, or he would have been removed from office in a Senate trial.

    That was textbook obstruction, and that is what got Nixon in trouble, NOT the break-in(s).

    You are correct: had Nixon just let the FBI investigate and do its thing, Nixon would have come out unscathed, and probably one of the top ten presidents in history. (Full disclosure: I voted for him twice)

    The same goes for Trump. (not the top ten president thing — not seein’ it right now)

    If Trump had not let his ego control his actions, he could have come through all of this intact. At least on the legal side of things. Politically, he probably would have taken a few hits but nothing compared to what he is facing right now. Paul Manafort, Don Jr, and Jared might have been looking at legal jeopardy, and Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos would still have been convicted of lying to federal agents, but Trump himself wouldn’t be staring down at least five counts of obstruction right now.

    You see, while everyone on the Right is focussing on ‘collusion’, they are ignoring the fact that Trump has been engaging in the crime of obstruction.

    Just like Nixon did.

    angrywebmaster says:

    Second, with the exception of the young Felonia von Pantsuit, the investigators were actually interested in finding out the truth, not destroying the President. They also, as I recall, didn’t play games like kicking in a door at 4am for intimidation purposes and stack the investigation team with people of questionable ethics, (Again, excluding the young Felonia von Pantsuit) [Emphasis mine]

    Skipping past the Hillary references here, (she has her own FBI investigation going on).

    I am assuming that your reference to “kicking in a door at 4am” is about the ‘no knock’ warrant served on Paul Manafort several months ago.

    The investigation into Paul Manafort’s activities started way back in 2012. The reason why his unrelated criminal problems became intertwined with Trump’s campaign is because he was the campaign chairman for eight months. He had already had problems with complying with the DOJ subpoenas long before the Russia investigation. Hence the reason for the ‘no knock’ warrant.

    Mueller did what ANY federal prosecutor would have done when they are trying to get a witness to cooperate. They add pressure. If that doesn’t work, they will add even more pressure.

    General Flynn caved pretty fast. Mueller got him for lying to a federal agent, but there are a half-dozen other charges that he could have stacked against Flynn. He will do the same with Manafort if Manafort doesn’t cooperate. I expect to see a superseding indictment sometime in the next few weeks. It is how they do things in the Federal court system.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    If Trump had not let his ego control his actions, he could have come through all of this intact. At least on the legal side of things. Politically, he probably would have taken a few hits but nothing compared to what he is facing right now. Paul Manafort, Don Jr, and Jared might have been looking at legal jeopardy, and Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos would still have been convicted of lying to federal agents, but Trump himself wouldn’t be staring down at least five counts of obstruction right now.

    I find the continued use of past tense kinda strange, Allyn. It aint over yet and your assumption of “its all over” is unadulterated horseshit.

    Neither Manafort or Flynn are in any hot water over the campaign, which was Muellers terms of reference..said terms which he has wildly overstepped. Mueller’s team is suspect, their motives are suspect , that Mueller says he DIDNT KNOW what Strzok had done is CYA writ large, that there are continued links between Muellers team and the Clintons AND Fusion GPS.

    House investigators told Fox News they have long regarded Strzok as a key figure in the chain of events when the bureau, in 2016, received the infamous anti-Trump “dossier” and launched a counterintelligence investigation into Russian meddling in the election that ultimately came to encompass FISA surveillance of a Trump campaign associate.

    ..this is the same guy that discussed an:”insurance policy”, i.e “if he gets elected we can get him anyway using this dossier that has Hillarys fingerprints all over it”..said dossier btw:

    The firm’s bank records, obtained by House investigators, revealed that the project was funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. -Fox News

    which leads to

    Despite such a low level of confidence in Steele’s dossier that they didn’t pay him, the FBI used the document to obtain a FISA surveillance warrant on one-time Trump foreign-policy advisor Carter Page

    a dossier that guess what,they refused to pay for.

    Why?

    It could not be corroborated.

    SO:

    The FBI used a document from a questionable source that had not been corroborated that they had refused to pay for to get a FISA warrant. Guess who sat at the top when that was going on?

    COMEY.

    Wait, it gets better:

    Aaron Zebley, Mueller’s former chief of staff at the FBI and “right hand man” on the current investigation, previously represented Justin Cooper, Clinton’s IT guy who set up the unsecure server in her Chappaqua home, and destroyed her BlackBerrys with a hammer.

    Mueller team member and Justice Department prosecutor Andrew Weissmann wrote a fawning email to outgoing acting Attorney General Sally Yates, saying he was “so proud and in awe” of her for defying President Trump in enforcing his travel ban. Weissmann also attended Hillary Clinton’s election night party in New York City, The Wall Street Journal reported.

    As for “lying to the FBI’?

    FBI section chief Peter Strzok, who was fired by special counsel Robert Mueller for sending anti-Trump text messages, conducted interviews with two of Hillary Clinton’s top aides in 2016, who are both accused of lying about their knowledge of Clinton’s private email server when she was secretary of state.

    Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin did not face any legal consequences for giving false statements to Strzok during interviews last year, the Daily Caller reported. Those statements were proven false, as email exchanges involving Mills and Abedin show that they communicated about Clinton’s private email server before she left the State Department.

    In other words, they did not tell the truth

    They werent charged, but Flynn was.

    Guess what, Allyn, this thing stinks so badly I could smell it from here.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    BTW whilst we are here, we in “Down Under”, the place you slag off at, have just made a massive breakthrough.

    Using non-invasive ultrasound technology, the team at QBI discovered they could break apart amyloid plaque and tau proteins that develop within the brain of those with dementia, causing memory loss and cognitive decline.

    “It would in principle mean that dementia could be cured,” Professor Jurgen Gotz, Director of Queensland Brain Institutes Clem Jones Centre for Ageing Dementia Research, tells HuffPost Australia.

    “This research could, in principle, be applied to other diseases with toxic protein build-ups such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neuron disease or Huntington’s disease.”

    The Pacific Rim nations also are now working on a possible treatment for Duchennes, the juvenile form of the disease that took my loved one from me.

    I am proud of being an Aussie, proud of what we are, and what we have achieved. Now and always.

  9. 9
    Terrapod growls and barks:

    I have long held the opinion that Aussies are just Texans that found a bigger playpen. The spirit of the population was always “can do” and figure out how under difficult circumstances. Maybe Cordwainer Smith was ahead of his time when he predicted the USA and Australia would unite at some point in his fiction. Now would that not freak out the Chinese :em01: And yes, I am aware that the USMC now has a small enclave up north. My only sadness is that when visiting in the early 70′s the English disease of union thuggery was very prevalent. I think that has diminished over time.

  10. 10
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    And yes, I am aware that the USMC now has a small enclave up north

    Yes they do, I believe it is with a specific regiment,.I do know some additional details, but wont discuss that information further.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Terrapod: the possible treatment for Duchennes (a juvenile form of muscular dystrophy) is to take body cells from a patient, re-engineer them, and then inject them back into the body.

    Since they are the bodys own cells, no rejection..early tests are VERY promising.Clinical trials at least 5 years from now, a real treatment years away, but its a massive step forward.

    Curing Alzheimers, or at least a treatment that can stop the disease dead in its tracks.

    God let it be soon.

  12. 12
    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    I find the continued use of past tense kinda strange, Allyn. It aint over yet and your assumption of “its all over” is unadulterated horseshit.

    Strange, how? It’s his past actions that started getting him in trouble, almost immediately.

    You are all focusing on the ‘collusion’ angle here and coming up short. Trump is probably correct: HE didn’t collude with anyone.

    Nixon didn’t break into Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist and the Democratic National Committee offices either. But like Nixon, Trump has tried to block, obstruct, and even manipulate the federal investigation looking into Russian interference into the 2016 US elections. THAT is a federal crime also.

    So that part IS ‘over’.

    LCBrendan says:

    Neither Manafort or Flynn are in any hot water over the campaign, which was Muellers terms of reference..said terms which he has wildly overstepped.

    I’m guessing that you came up with this “legal opinion” based on hours of reading Right Wing blogs. It is obviously steeped in utter ignorance of the specific order and scope (PDF) that created Robert Mueller’s current position.

    (b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confined by then-FBI Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

    (i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President
    Donald Trump; and

    (ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and

    (iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

    (c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. [source]

    As you can see, Rod Rosenstein gave Robert Mueller the same exact broad authority that any Federal prosecutor or law enforcement officer would have.

    Remember Ken Starr? Starr was initially appointed to investigate the suicide death of deputy White House counsel Vince Foster and the Whitewater real estate investments of Bill Clinton. Starr’s initial scope morphed into additional investigations, including the firing of White House Travel Office personnel, potential political abuse of confidential FBI files, Madison Guaranty, Rose Law Firm, Paula Jones law suit and, most notoriously, possible perjury and obstruction of justice to cover up President Clinton’s sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Five years, $72 million dollars later, we find out that Clinton got a couple of blow jobs in the Oval Office and lied about it in a court deposition. All the rest of it?

    Federal law does not permit a federal investigator to limit their scope on any potential crime. If in the course of an investigation, an unrelated crime were discovered, investigators and prosecutors can’t just ignore it.

    Paul Manafort has been under federal investigation since at least 2012. He was under investigation for money laundering at the time he was Trump’s campaign manager. He is very famously violating the law as that campaign manager by taking a meeting with representatives of the Kremlin in the Trump Tower for purposes of obtaining illegally obtained stolen emails from Hillary and/or the DNC. A federal grand jury indicted Manafort for his money laundering activities probably to force him into a deal to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation. For all we know, Manafort is cooperating at this time. If not, he will most certainly be hit with at least one more superseding indictment, if not more.

    Flynn? He’s got three major problems going on. He was charged by “information” by Mueller of a single count of lying to a federal agent. It’s a relatively minor charge — it’s a felony, but without a prior criminal history, the average person would probably get 30 days in a federal detention center (or halfway house) and five years of federal probation. And a felony criminal conviction.

    It is the stick, and the carrot is not being charged with money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent , and whatever his kid is looking at as far as legal jeopardy.

    This is how the feds work. They pretty much know what is going on before they ever bother to go and talk to someone. They knew that Flynn had failed to register as a foreign agent (twice) following his departure from the Obama Administration. They know that while he was the NSA director, he was still working as an unregistered foreign agent. They also had his financial records. He had some serious legal exposure.

    The feds want more information. To get that, they will squeeze you for it. They will hold these potential charges over someone’s head, and tell them that if they cooperate, they will get a much better “deal”. Legally, the feds can’t ignore crimes, they HAVE to be adjudicated in some way, shape, or form. Even criminals in witness protection programs don’t escape having to deal with the crimes that they have committed. The idea that a criminal will ‘get away’ with a crime or given a ‘pass’ is something you find in the movies, not the real world.

    Flynn has information that Mueller found valuable. It is information that has been corroborated from many different angles. How do we know that? Mueller would never have given Flynn the deal that he did if Flynn didn’t give up the information.

    It is how this whole thing works.

    LCBrendan says:

    Mueller’s team is suspect, their motives are suspect , that Mueller says he DIDNT KNOW what Strzok had done is CYA writ large, that there are continued links between Muellers team and the Clintons AND Fusion GPS.

    I know that you want so much for this to be true, but it falls FLAT.

    First of all, let me say this:

    Everyone, everywhere, in every line of business has opinions on just about everything you can think of. The people who work in the FBI and the Justice Department are human, just like everyone else. On top of that, they are professionals who are typically above reproach.

    To be an FBI agent, you have to pass a massive background check. They will go out and interview people — references, friends, family, past employers, etc. You are going to have at least a Master’s degree in something, and you are going to be above average in intelligence. So it isn’t going to be a case where they went to a job fair in high school and tried to recruit people from there. No, they are going to be recruiting people in law school and places like that on an invitational basis.

    But that doesn’t stop them from having opinions and/or political viewpoints.

    You keep bringing up this Strzok character, and the private texts between himself and the FBI attorney he was having an affair with at the time.

    The texts have never been officially released. Both the AAG and the IG for the DOJ are up in arms over the selective release of a tiny handful of these texts. But what I’ve seen of them, they seem to be all over the board in their ridicule of the different players.

    Let’s not lose sight over the fact that the moment the DOJ Inspector General discovered the texts between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, he notified Robert Mueller who immediately had Strzok removed from the investigation.

    But what amazes me is the fact that there are some people who think that just because you find one person who acted inappropriately then the entire investigation should be shut down and ended — all because ONE person out of hundreds of people currently involved in this thing, did something wrong.

    Does that mean the government should throw out every other investigation this guy was in involved with throughout his career? Should some convicted criminals be released from prison and have their convictions overturned because this guy might have been involved in their case?

    You are also quick to tarnish everyone else in this investigation.

    Your comments about Fusion GPS are hilarious only in the sense that you are only hearing one part of the story. (or are ignoring the larger picture)

    Fusion GPS was initially hired by ,,, wait for it … the RNC, to do opposition research on Donald Trump. When it became clear that Trump was going to become the RNC nominee, they ended their relationship with Fusion GPS. But hey, Fusion GPS had just done all of this research, why not shop it to the Democrats? When Trump started making noises about ‘getting along with Putin’, Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele, the former head of the Russia Desk of MI6 to look into Trump’s business dealings with Russia — since the Russians were the only people who seemed willing to do business with Trump.

    Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS spent over 20 hours this past summer testifying in front of three committees in Congress about the Steele Dossier. Until today, Republicans in both Houses have refused to release the text of those 20 hours of testimony. Simpson has been INSISTING on them releasing the transcripts because he says it clears the dossier and puts an end to the Republican efforts to spin the dossier.

    Well, today, Senator Dianne Feinstein, the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee went ahead and released the 312 page transcript from her committee (PDF). You might want to dig around in the OFFICIAL documents before commenting further on this.

    LCBrendan says:

    which leads to

    Despite such a low level of confidence in Steele’s dossier that they didn’t pay him, the FBI used the document to obtain a FISA surveillance warrant on one-time Trump foreign-policy advisor Carter Page

    a dossier that guess what,they refused to pay for.

    Why?

    It could not be corroborated.

    SO:

    The FBI used a document from a questionable source that had not been corroborated that they had refused to pay for to get a FISA warrant. Guess who sat at the top when that was going on?

    COMEY.

    Uh…yeah. You are going to have to go read the transcript.

    But let’s address that ‘corroboration’ thing, shall we?

    Everyone seems to want to think of this as a ‘dossier’. The reality is, the ‘dossier’ is really a set of ‘field reports’. it isn’t a finished product, it’s just the starting point. Christopher Steele has come out and said that he believes the dossier to be roughly 60 – 90 percent accurate. He felt that the field reports needed to be investigated, not taken for granted or as gospel. He relied on his assets in Russia (and apparently a human asset within the Trump organization) to compile these reports.

    Here’s the kicker:

    When Steele handed over what has now become known as ‘the dossier’, a lot of what was in that dossier was corroborating some things that the FBI was already aware of. So this whole idea that the dossier is what kicked off this whole investigation into Russian interference into our elections is FALSE. The FBI started its investigation in December, 2015. The dossier wasn’t even in existence until six months later.

    They kinda gloss over that on FAUX News.

    Now when it comes to corroboration of the things described in the dossier? A lot of it HAS been verified. NONE of it has been disproved yet.

    I suspect that the salacious bits might be exaggerated at best if not just plain false, but that is just one small part. The dossier does talk about the Trump Tower meeting and some other events. It also talks about Trump wanting to build a tower in Moscow and all that, it talks about some of the financial dealings — stuff we know know to be true.

    The question was, is, and continues to be: was any of this illegal? That is what Robert Mueller is there to determine.

    He needs to do his job.

    LCBrendan says:

    They werent charged, but Flynn was.

    Guess what, Allyn, this thing stinks so badly I could smell it from here.

    There is nothing stopping the government from charging Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin for violation of Title 18 USC § 1001. They have five years to bring charges. You are assuming that they aren’t going to.

    The thing is, Hillary is still under investigation. She has been, all this time. Just because we hadn’t heard about it until last week means that the system is working exactly as it should have been.

    In NORMAL cases, the government doesn’t like to broadcast what investigations it is conducting. That concept went off the rails in 2016 when Comey decided that he would make the Hillary email investigations public. He didn’t do that with the Trump investigation that was going on at the exact same time. No, we didn’t learn about THAT investigation until January of last year.

    So what was that thing you were smelling? :em03:

    ====

    Let me bottom line this for you with my observations along with some personal experience here:

    1. Did Trump ‘collude’ with Russia in order to win the 2016 election?

    I doubt it. But not for a lack of trying on the part of Russia.

    I say this because I don’t think Trump really had any intention of actually winning the election. The fact that he did surprised not only most of the world, it probably surprised him the most. I say this because from every appearance, he had no actual plan in place in the eventuality that he would win. Even Chris Christie, the guy who was supposed to be heading up a ‘transition team’ came out and admitted that much.

    I think Trump went into this whole thing with a completely different plan and outcome. He wanted to build the world’s tallest building in Moscow. To do that, he needed to be in the international forefront for a while. It’s interesting that his announcement to run came at roughly the same time he signed a letter of intent to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

    Another plan of his was to start his own media network — Trump TV. Running for president would have gotten him closer to those goals.

    HINT: people run for president for several reasons — most of which don’t include actually winning. A person who has run for president does so to enhance their curriculum vitae. People like Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders find their positions elevated within their groups simply because they once ran for president. They are given more deference by their Party.

    To build a tower in Moscow, Trump needed to get next to Putin. To do that, Trump had to be NICE to Putin — even when the rest of his Party couldn’t or wouldn’t trust Putin as far as they could throw him. This explains why Trump has refused to publicly admit that Russia tried to interfere in our election, even with all of the evidence to the contrary.

    2. Did the Trump campaign collude with Russia in order to win the 2016 election?

    Well, possibly. At least there were some attempts being made. The Trump Tower meeting between Manafort, Trump Jr, and Jared was clearly an attempt to collude with the Russian government by trying to obtain emails stolen from Hillary and/or the DNC. That would not only be ‘collusion’, but also ‘conspiracy’ to commit a crime or further a criminal act. If a quid pro quo occurred, then that pretty much cements the case.

    A quid pro quo like say, removing language from the Republican National Convention platform about Russian sanctions for their involvement in Ukraine.

    The question is, were any laws broken, and if so, by whom? Manafort appears to have the most exposure on this. Don Jr and Jared were just two idiots who didn’t know any better.

    3. Did the Trump Transition Team collude with Russia?

    Again, possibly. But I kinda doubt it. By the time they were gearing up for the transition, they managed to get some professionals on board. Jeff Sessions, for one, quickly started putting the kabosh on some attempts by Trumpsters to try and cozy up to the Russians. But it didn’t stop people like George Popadopolous and others from trying to open up avenues of communication with the Kremlin. We know that Popadopolous was questioned by the FBI and was caught in a lie — he’s pled guilty and is now ‘cooperating’ with investigators as to what he knows.

    I know that the Trumpsters have tried to downplay Popodopolous’ role in the Administration by calling him a “coffee boy”. Rose was just a secretary in Nixon’s White House, and yet she was more than just a little damaging to Nixon in her testimony. The point is, Popodopolous was THERE. He saw everything, and he has now shared that with the Special Counsel.

    Now in a perfect world, this is where it all should have ended when it comes to the Administration’s role in this investigation.

    BUT..

    I can’t stop trying to drive this point home:

    Had Trump been anyone else, he would have followed the advice of his lawyers.

    But Trump has a history of not following the advice of his attorneys. Those of us who have followed the antics of Donald Trump over the past forty years can tell you this. He is KNOWN for going against proper legal advice and making things much worse for himself.

    This is the main reason why he hasn’t been able to attract the proper lawyers he needs to get him through all of this. Ty Cobb is NOT the right attorney to handle these kinds of things. The type of attorney that would normally handle these things have all turned him down — not because they can’t do the job, but because they know that they can’t keep Trump from saying and/or doing something really stupid.

    Notice that whenever Trump is talking about the Russian investigation, he is always saying “NO COLLUSION!”

    As I said above, he’s probably right on that — HE probably didn’t ‘collude’ with anyone.

    But since he was sworn in, he HAS actively tried to OBSTRUCT the investigation. That would also be a federal crime.

    It is being reported that Robert Mueller is at the point in the investigation to want to interview Trump himself. This sounds to me like Mueller is reaching the end of the investigation. Or at least the part where the Trump campaign is involved.

    As someone who has been through this process before, I can tell you that by the time an investigator is ready to sit down for an interview with you, he or she already knows the entire story, inside and out. If you give an answer that is contrary to something they know to be a fact, they will dial down on that thing to make sure the answer you give is your final answer. They will try and allow you to clarify your answer.

    MY mistake when I went through it was that I thought my answer could not be checked. I was sadly mistaken, and after $45,000 in legal bills, eighteen months of going through the federal court process, I was able to come out on the other end conviction free. But I had to go through the wringer for it — and I was extremely lucky for a hung jury. (11-1 for conviction)

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    I forgot. This old tired out and non-secure site doesn’t handle links all that well.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Fusion GPS was initially hired by ,,, wait for it … the RNC, to do opposition research on Donald Trump.

    Nice lie except for one small problem

    The simple fact is this: The identity of the Republican donor who began this whole dossier odyssey is now the last major mystery surrounding a document that has roiled Trump’s first year in office.

    See, theres no PROOF of who the donor was or if they were even in the GOP,whereas what we DO have is bank records showing concrete proof that the DNC had their grubby mitts all over it. You keep prating about “justice” yet what i dont see is the proof of ANYONE other than the DNC being involved.

    You are assuming that they aren’t going to.

    No Allyn I KNOW they arent ever going to be charged.

    Ever.

    I think Trump went into this whole thing with a completely different plan and outcome. He wanted to build the world’s tallest building in Moscow. To do that, he needed to be in the international forefront for a while. It’s interesting that his announcement to run came at roughly the same time he signed a letter of intent to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    BTW

    Since the bank records of Fusion GPS have been examined, i find it interesting that as yet no one can find the “GOP funding” you claim exists.No names, no cheques from the RNC, no records AT ALL.

    And to date, there has been NO PROOF whatsoever that ANYONE from the RNC had anytting to do with this pile of hot steaming horseshit.

    Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. Goose fucking egg. Zilch.

    Fusion GPS was initially hired by ,,, wait for it … the RNC, to do opposition research on Donald Trump

    Yet those bank records dont contain anything to corroborate this lie.

    Where is it?

    Who was it?

    Whats his or her name?

    Wheres the paper trail?

    Wheres the cheque?

    How much was paid?

    When was it paid?

    Newsflash: It aint what you believe, dipshit, its what you can PROVE.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    Nice lie except for one small problem

    The simple fact is this: The identity of the Republican donor who began this whole dossier odyssey is now the last major mystery surrounding a document that has roiled Trump’s first year in office.

    See, theres no PROOF of who the donor was or if they were even in the GOP,whereas what we DO have is bank records showing concrete proof that the DNC had their grubby mitts all over it. You keep prating about “justice” yet what i dont see is the proof of ANYONE other than the DNC being involved.

    Oh, good grief, you really need to get current on this stuff. This was so last October. We now know that Paul Singer paid for Fusion GPS services for the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative publication. THEY EVEN ADMITTED IT. Back in October 2017. This was prior to Fusion GPS commissioning Christopher Steele — that happened after Simpson had shopped his Opo to the Dems.

    Again, you seem to want to focus on the Steele document as the genesis for the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign.

    IT WASN’T.

    What opened up the FBI investigation came from YOUR government. It was one of YOUR ambassadors who, after having drinks with George Papadopoulos, decided that he needed to contact the FBI because of the claims that Papadopoulos was making concerning hacked emails. This happened MONTHS before the Steele dossier ever make it to the FBI.

    You are having a timeline problem with your scenario.

    LCBrendan says:

    No Allyn I KNOW they arent ever going to be charged.

    Ever.

    Really? Did you just pull that determination from your ass? None of this is over yet. In case you didn’t catch it above, there is still an open case on Hillary going on, and these things take TIME. What might not make sense to you or me from the outside, makes perfect sense to those on the inside.

    Anyone who tells you that they know what exactly is going on inside of the Russia investigation or any other ongoing investigation is blowing sunshine up your ass. NOBODY outside of those investigations knows what is going on.

    NOBODY.

    I can only tell you from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES on this kind of thing. I’ve been through that wringer.

    But even I can’t tell you for sure what is going on. I can tell you tactical stuff, legal constraints, and events, even all of the procedures involved based on what I went through. But even that is subjective. The circumstances in their cases versus mine are mostly different, but not the procedures themselves.

    There is nothing in the world like going through the US federal court system as a criminal defendant. It is a long, tedious, and potentially expensive ordeal that could go south very very quickly if it is handled wrong. I didn’t have the added hassle of having to become a government witness against someone else, like Flynn, and Papadopoulos are required to do through their plea agreements.

    I can tell you this with 100 percent certainty: If Michael Flynn or George Papadopoulos weren’t sharing some very valuable and verifiable information to Robert Mueller, then there would not have been a plea agreement. Both Flynn and Papadopoulos would have been hit with all of the charges against them and let the chips fall where they may. But given the fact that both of them opted to plead guilty to violating 18 USC § 1001 and dropping the other charges against them, indicates that they ARE giving up some solid evidence against someone.

    You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but you would still be mistaken.

    LCBrendan says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is really as simple as all that.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    Since the bank records of Fusion GPS have been examined, i find it interesting that as yet no one can find the “GOP funding” you claim exists.No names, no cheques from the RNC, no records AT ALL.

    At this point, I’d suggest sticking your nose into the newly released transcript of the ten hours of testimony that Senate Republicans didn’t want to get out.

    Need some help finding it?

    Apparently, Diane Feinstein decided that she had enough of Republicans selectively leaking excerpts from this transcript, to make their case look better. She decided to just release the whole damn thing, and that just blew their whole dossier meme to pieces.

    So read it and weep.

    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/3/9/3974a291-ddbe-4525-9ed1-22bab43c05ae/934A3562824CACA7BB4D915E97709D2F.simpson-transcript-redacted.pdf

    There was a reason why Senator Grassley and other congressional Republicans didn’t want this or the other three transcripts released. It drives a giant spike into the heart of their Fusion GPS / Christopher Steele meme — and by extension your current argument here.

    LCBrendan says:

    Newsflash: It aint what you believe, dipshit, its what you can PROVE.

    You let me know when you’ve been able to “prove” any of this.

    Also, see if you can do it without being an asshole.

    Like I said, I can speak from my own experience. Even that is limited by the circumstances of MY particular case. But at least I’ve been through all of this and have a MUCH better understanding of all of this than you do.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Really? Did you just pull that determination from your ass? None of this is over yet. In case you didn’t catch it above, there is still an open case on Hillary going on, and these things take TIME. What might not make sense to you or me from the outside, makes perfect sense to those on the inside

    Send me an email the day those two are charged with lying to the FBI.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Fusion GPS was initially hired by ,,, wait for it … the RNC, to do opposition research on Donald Trump

    Free Beacon aint part of the RNC,

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Here, for shits and giggles, I’m going to post the most recent story in The HIll about today’s release of the transcript.

    Dems roil probe with release of Fusion GPS transcript

    Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee in August that law enforcement officials had already been investigating President Trump’s team on Russia before the so-called “Steele dossier” was completed.

    Simpson, whose opposition research firm complied the controversial dossier, pushed back in his testimony that his firm had produced a phony document, and told the panel behind closed doors that the document’s author, a former MI6 spy named Christopher Steele, told him that by September, the FBI already had “other intelligence” backing up claims in the dossier.

    “It’s political rhetoric to call the dossier phony. … We can argue about what’s prudent and what’s not, but it’s not a fabrication,” Simpson told the panel.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), the top Democrat on the Judiciary panel, unilaterally released Simpson’s more than 300 pages of testimony to the committee in a startling move on Tuesday that comes amid an escalating partisan fight over the FBI’s Russian investigation.

    Some Republicans, at times echoed by Trump, have mounted a public campaign questioning the FBI’s handling of the Russian investigation. They have suggested the FBI used the dossier, described by then-FBI Director James Comey as “salacious and unverified,” as the predicate for a baseless investigation.

    Simpson’s testimony calls into question that narrative, pushing back at the notion that the dossier was a partisan hit-job funded by Democrats. Its release infuriated Judiciary Chairman Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), who called Feinstein’s actions “confounding.”

    According to Simpson, who had called on Grassley to release the transcript, Steele was so concerned by the possibility that a presidential candidate might be “blackmailed” by Russia that he reached out to the FBI of his own accord to share when he knew as “a security issue.”

    Simpson in his testimony mounted a full-throated defense of the dossier work, denying that it was paid for by Russia and insisting that the firm was mostly interested in Trump’s business dealings until Steele brought back “something … very different.

    He told investigators that Steele told him that the FBI had an informant in the Trump campaign. A source close to Fusion GPS told The Hill on Tuesday that Simpson misspoke, mischaracterizing a tip that an Australian diplomat gave the bureau related to Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos.

    According to Simpson, Steele first met with the bureau in the first week of July of 2016. He later met an agent in Rome in the fall, a trip that the bureau reimbursed. The bureau launched its investigation into the Trump campaign in late July.

    During that same month, according to the New York Times, a representative of Australia’s government told the bureau that during a night of drinking, Papadopolous had told him that Russia had political dirt on Trump’s campaign rival Hillary Clinton.

    Papadopolous has since pleaded guilty to charges of making false statements to the FBI.

    “Essentially what [former MI6 agent Christopher Steele] told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that — that they — my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point — that they believed Chris’s information might be credible because they and other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization,” Simpson said of a meeting Steele had with a bureau agent in September.

    Simpson has said previously that he does not believe that the dossier was the basis for the FBI investigation.

    The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee funded the project in 2016, when Steele began his work. Prior to that, the conservative Washington Free Beacon had paid Fusion to do background research on Trump and his business empire.

    Oh, there’s even more in that transcript that the Congressional Republicans didn’t want to get out there.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Today is my last day of vacation, so it might be a while before I make it back here. So don’t expect a response after this…

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    Free Beacon aint part of the RNC,

    Yeah, I caught that after I hit the post button. Still, it’s pretty much the same side of the street and a couple of doors down.

    But a FAR cry from you pretending not to know who hired Fusion GPS first…

    LCBrendan says:

    Send me an email the day those two are charged with lying to the FBI.

    As if I’ll care one way or the other when it does happen. Besides, as I stated above, neither you, nor I, nor anyone else outside of these investigations know who lied or not. But you can be sure of ONE thing: anyone who does tell you that they know is lying.

    In case you haven’t noticed, any actual facts that come out of Mueller’s office only come out in the form of a court document. There is NOBODY talking from within the investigation itself, and any “news” we read about the investigation comes from the outside looking in, and is usually several weeks, if not months late.

    If you are reading about it in the papers or blogs, it is usually coming from people who have been called in as witnesses, or in filings such as indictments or plea agreements.

    Nobody ever heard of George Papadopolous prior to the news of him pleading guilty to lying. Yet suddenly, there he was showing up in different compromising places.

    You want to know how the FBI started their investigation into Trump? George Papadopolous getting shit-faced with Austrailia’s top diplomat in Britain and bragging that he had Russian contacts who were going to get Trump elected with stolen emails from Hilary and the Democrats. This predates Christopher Steele and his dossier by several months.

    Now you can continue to cling to this fantasy if you wish. Feinstein pretty much put an end to that this afternoon when she released the transcript and exposed Grassley and Graham’s little ploy.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Yeah, I caught that after I hit the post button. Still, it’s pretty much the same side of the street and a couple of doors down.

    Actually no it isnt.

    One is not the other. The “Beacon” is not and never has been part of the RNC hence this

    Fusion GPS was initially hired by ,,, wait for it … the RNC, to do opposition research on Donald Trump

    is a blatant lie.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Terrapod says:

    I trust you celebrated Hogmanay and consumed adult quantities of aqua vitae along the way.

    If only. I was working that shift. On the other hand, my liver was profoundly grateful the next day! ;)
    Emperor Misha I recently posted..“Pour Some Sugar On Me”My Profile

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    As if I’ll care one way or the other when it does happen.

    FOAD Allyn, we both know that email WILL NEVER be sent.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    LCBrendan says:

    Actually no it isnt.

    One is not the other. The “Beacon” is not and never has been part of the RNC hence this

    You really are a twit. Are they both conservative, stupid? Do they align on the same side of the aisle? THAT is what I was saying. Either you knew exactly what I was getting at or you are too dense to comprehend basic conversational English.

    Your choice.

    LCBrendan says:

    is a blatant lie.

    No,I mistyped. Exactly how I stated it above.

    Here’s why I initially (and mistakenly) said the RNC was initially behind it. Several months ago, before it was officially known that the Washington Free Beacon had initially commissioned Fusion GPS do do Opo research on Donald Trump, it had been reported that either the RNC or Jeb Bush was the initial client of Fusion GPS. It was my mistake in forgetting that the source had been officially updated several months ago.

    BUT IT STILL DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACTS ANY — You are STILL wrong when you said:

    See, theres no PROOF of who the donor was or if they were even in the GOP,whereas what we DO have is bank records showing concrete proof that the DNC had their grubby mitts all over it. You keep prating about “justice” yet what i dont see is the proof of ANYONE other than the DNC being involved.

    Now I’d be willing to bet that you probably didn’t spend one second reading the transcript of the ten hours of testimony under oath by Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS as it concerns the Christopher Steele ‘dossier’.

    Had you bothered, you would have learned exactly what Fusion GPS really is, the kind of work they’ve done, their methodology, and exactly how the Christopher Steele Dossier came into being. You would have learned from the timeline that the dossier wasn’t the genesis of the FBI investigation at all, that there had already been an official FBI investigation started several months earlier after the Australian top diplomat to Great Britain contacted the FBI to literally report a crime of espionage.

    You also would have learned exactly who Christopher Steele is, and that he headed the Russia Desk ad MI6 for twenty years, and that he’s been involved in several high profile cases over the years working with the FBI et al.

    LCBrendan says:

    FOAD Allyn, we both know that email WILL NEVER be sent.

    Yeah, you’re right. It is highly unlikely that I would bother to email you about anything.

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    Sacred Excrement, children. I’m sure you are already aware of my thoughts as to who is guilty in what forms of crap are embodied in all of this. :em03: Which party rep said “tell a lie enough and people believe it” or words to that effect? Oh yeah, National SOCIALIST Party.