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It appears that Captain Robert “Ahab” Mueller has finally caught sight of… er, a tiny whitish sardine, maybe?

Short version: Former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn has pled guilty to one count of fibbing to the FIB (not a typo) about how, in minute detail, he was doing his job as part of the transitional administration. Doing his job, mind you, with the full blessing and knowledge of the former Obama Junta (not that it really matters whether he had their blessing to do his actual job or not).

In other words, this Bombshell™ of a development proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the Trump team colluuuuuuuuuded with the Russians somehow, at least if you ask the average Prozi on the street. Just don’t ask Brian Ross, Ace Reporter of the ABC, because he’s been suspended for four weeks without pay for lying about this, so he’s probably secluded somewhere applying analgesics to his butt.

But wait, there’s more! The Trump team must then somehow have colluuuuuuuded with the Russians to steal the election AFTER THEY’D ALREADY WON IT!!!! Is there nothing that the Trumpinator and his team CAN’T do?

Don’t worry, Ahab. Some day you’ll catch that damn white whale!

We’d reach out for the Attorney General’s opinion, but he hasn’t been answering his phone since he recused himself from it on grounds of… Who the Hades knows? Some guy working for the phone company named Sergey, perhaps?

Thatisall.

24 comments

  1. 1
    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    And. Diane Feinstein is saying now they have proof that Trump is obstructing justice.
    :em04:
    Someone really needs to go to these fools and flat out tell them that if they manage to railroad Trump out of office, then it will be Game On, and shortly thereafter, Game Over Man for the uniparty.

    And I got my first paycheck last week. :)
    First full time job, (Not a contract, not a crappy job that barely covered my bills), since 2014. My nice new bennies kicked in too so no fine Tax Paying the government for the right to be an American this year.
    :em01:
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Someone really needs to go to these fools and flat out tell them that if they manage to railroad Trump out of office, then it will be Game On, and shortly thereafter, Game Over Man for the uniparty.

    In all truth..and Im not being a smartass Im asking..what CAN anyone do? if they railroad him..not as if we can actually do anything about it. The politidogs in DC are playing their game, the only reason I can even think of as to why they are doing this is maybe they think they can “control” Pence.

    Thats why the GOP is complicit…Trump was the proverbial wildcard and they cant control him. The GOP wants someone who will dance to THEIR tune…this is all about them wanting to be the puppetmaster.

    I am damned if I know how anyone can stop this disgusting farce..or if it can be stopped at all.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Short version: Former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn has pled guilty to one count of fibbing to the FIB (not a typo) about how, in minute detail, he was doing his job as part of the transitional administration. Doing his job, mind you, with the full blessing and knowledge of the former Obama Junta (not that it really matters whether he had their blessing to do his actual job or not).

    Yet he chose to LIE to a federal investigator. Something that you just don’t do. PERIOD.

    18 U.S.C. § 1001

    Here’s the thing:

    Flynn plead guilty to the smallest possible charge against him. But there were at least three other more substantial charges hanging over his head, not to mention the legal jeopardy his kid was in.

    Misha, YOU might not find this particular charge to be all that important — and it really isn’t. But you have to understand that he was looking at the possibility of a conspiracy to commit kidnapping — which actually is a pretty serious deal, considering.

    Flynn chose the easiest way out: he pled guilty to a nothing charge just to become a convicted felon, then he chose to cooperate with the government.

    Now here’s something that you probably don’t understand: In order for a federal defendant to obtain a plea agreement like the one that Flynn got, he had to give a “profer’ to the government of what he was willing to testify to in other larger cases. It’s what they call in the federal prosecutor’s office as being “queen for a day”. The defendant is given a pass to spill his guts on EVERYTHING without being held accountable for that stuff. The prosecutor — in this case, Mueller — then decides whether this information is valuable to the prosecution of larger fish or not.

    If the information isn’t valuable, then there is no deal.

    The fact that Flynn made his deal means that he has some VERY valuable testimony to give. Otherwise, there wouldn’t have been a deal.
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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    You keep telling yourself that, Deej. Maybe it’ll turn out to be true one day? Any day now! :)

    At any rate, this “lying to the FIB” which, coincidentally, at the time of “lying” wasn’t seen as lying according to the investigators back then, seems to get more complicated by the day as it turns out that the guy interviewing Flynn was, himself, an extremely biased and compromised agent. So much so that he was shit canned by Mueller (but not until the public found out about it, of course. Mueller would still have him digging up garbage for him if his cover-up hadn’t been found out).
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    BC, Imperial Torturer growls and barks:

    Apparently lying to government investigators only gets Deej’s testicles all a-twitter when it’s not card-carrying Marxists doing it… To Wit: Lois Lerner, Huma Abedin, Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Shillary Klintoon, et al.

    And those lies were about tens of thousands of felonies, covering multiple areas of felonious activities. As they say up in Canuckistan: “Fuck off, eh!
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    Fa Cube Itches growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:3

    Yet he chose to LIE to a federal investigator. Something that you just don’t do. PERIOD.

    Unless you’re a Dem staffer being questioned about Hillary’s e-mails. Then it’s totally ok to lie to them.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Emperor Misha I says:

    You keep telling yourself that, Deej. Maybe it’ll turn out to be true one day?

    Maybe? Dude, you need to pay attention here. It is already happening.

    Now I realize that you have really almost zero understanding how the criminal justice system works in this country — especially the federal system. It’s alright, most people don’t really have a clue.

    Since I doubt that you bothered to wade through the actual charge by information, or the statement of facts or the plea agreement, I suggest you start there. I will run it down for you some.

    The federal system is not like most state systems. Federal prosecutors submit a case to the grand jury, and the grand jury decides whether there is evidence of a crime and if so, what the charges should be. The grand jury votes on a bill of particulars and issues an indictment to the federal prosecutor.

    The prosecutor can then decide whether or not to actually charge the defendant with the crime(s) listed in the indictment, or they can decide to ‘cut a deal’ with the defendant in exchange for something that the prosecution wants.

    The clue here is that Flynn was NOT charged by indictment, he was charged by ‘information’. In other words, the prosecutor has decided to hold back on whatever charges the grand jury came down with and decided to charge Flynn with the simplest and most minor charge available: Lying to a federal officer. That is still a felony that carries up to five years in federal prison. (because of Flynn’s current “offender score” he probably would receive no more than 30 days in a halfway house.)

    BUT… Go on to read the plea agreement. Flynn has agreed to cooperate in the investigation in exchange for Mueller not charging him (and his son) for some far more serious charges — one of them includes conspiracy to commit kidnapping, and another that include conspiracy to commit money laundering. Both of those carry a maximum sentence of 30 years, and now that Flynn is a convicted felon, his offender score will guarantee that he spend a minimum of 20 years in prison if convicted.

    Now here’s the thing that you probably don’t realize: before there was any offer of a plea agreement, Mueller allowed Flynn to become “queen for a day” by allowing Flynn to tell Mueller specifically what information Flynn would provide and testify to and whether it will lead to convictions of people further up the food chain. In other words, Mueller has already gotten whatever information Flynn might have BEFORE Flynn was offered the actual deal.

    So what exactly am I supposed to “keep telling” myself?

    The violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1001 is a VERY common charge for people who lie on their background checks. The fact that Flynn also failed to register as a foreign agent while first working on the campaign, then working in the transition, and finally for those 24 days as Trump’s national security advisor, along with the allegations of money laundering and conspiracy to kidnap shows that Mueller has a HUGE problem to hang over Flynn’s head.

    BC, Imperial Torturer says:

    Apparently lying to government investigators only gets Deej’s testicles all a-twitter when it’s not card-carrying Marxists doing it… To Wit: Lois Lerner, Huma Abedin, Eric Holder, Susan Rice, Shillary Klintoon, et al.

    Not at all. I’m not passing judgment on anyone here. I am simply explaining the situation in a way that you can understand that this is VERY FUCKING SERIOUS. Flynn is caught between a rock and a hard spot here, and even if he wanted not cooperate with the Mueller investigation, both he and his kid would be looking at a HUGE amount of time.

    Oh, and unlike some minor state court, the federal system doesn’t just hand out plea deals without getting a LOT back in return. There is this thing in a federal sentencing hearing that deals with something called “acceptance of responsibility. It carries two points — something that a defendant is really going to want to have. In order to get those two points, the defendant is going to have to roll on other people.

    Fa Cube Itches says:

    Unless you’re a Dem staffer being questioned about Hillary’s e-mails. Then it’s totally ok to lie to them.

    And there you are making a HUGE assumption. We know that Hillary didn’t lie to federal investigators. She was never charged. The FBI is NEVER shy about charging people who lie to them. It is almost guaranteed they will charge you.

    But hey, y’all can pretend that this isn’t really all that important. Just when you discover that shit is hitting the fan, you can come back here and re-read what I wrote here.

    I can only tell you WHAT is happening, and HOW this thing works. Flynn is rolling on people to save both his and his son’s ass. I doubt that whatever he has to say will take Donald Trump out, but it will most likely take out Jared and Don Jr.

    ====

    The bottom line here is that the feds don’t play. They are deadly serious. Flynn lied — when he really didn’t have to and there will always be that question as to WHY. But he did, and he now is in major legal jeopardy where he has to give up information in order for the government to go easy on him when it comes to sentencing.

    But like I said, spend some time and read the actual charging documents, the statement of facts, and the plea agreement. Don’t listen to me, read the documents.
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    BC, Imperial Torturer growls and barks:

    We know that Hillary didn’t lie to federal investigators. She was never charged. The FBI is NEVER shy about charging people who lie to them. It is almost guaranteed they will charge you.

    How the fuck did you type that steaming pile of bovine excrement without your fingers falling right the fuck off?!?!?

    :em05: :em05: :em05:
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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    BC, Imperial Torturer says:

    How the fuck did you type that steaming pile of bovine excrement without your fingers falling right the fuck off?!?!?

    Again, you know next to nothing about how the federal criminal justice system works. You probably should pay attention to those of us that do — or you are going to be awfully disappointed when you finally realize that I am correct on this.

    :em02:
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    Terrapod growls and barks:

    A modest proposal for a constitutional amendment:

    Employees working for the Federal Government are barred from voting in federal elections so long as they do serve in such capacity. Employees leaving federal service must be absent from such employment for 2 years before regaining the right to vote in federal elections.

    No quibbles, no gaming the system (mass firings then re-hirings etc.)

    Draconian maybe, but I don’t see how to fix the imbalance that exists where the majority of federal employees are “D” and vote “D” to their benefit to the detriment of the nation as a whole..

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Terrapod @ #10:

    Maybe you should start with a more obvious problem: a Republican Party that is actively TRYING to elect an alleged child molester to the US Senate.
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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Maybe you should start with a more obvious problem: a Republican Party that is actively TRYING to elect an alleged child molester to the US Senate.

    Uh huh…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDzRtZLUkc

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Wait gets better

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/07/top-doj-official-demoted-amid-probe-contacts-with-trump-dossier-firm.html

    Additionally, House investigators have determined that Ohr met shortly after the election with Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS – the opposition research firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier with funds supplied by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. By that point, according to published reports, the dossier had been in the hands of the FBI, which exists under the aegis of DOJ, for some five months, and the surveillance on Carter Page, an adviser to the Trump campaign, had started more than two months prior.

    The contacts between Ohr and Steele, and between Ohr and Simpson, have not been publicly disclosed nor shared with HPSCI staff.

    According to congressional sources, Simpson and Ohr met sometime around Thanksgiving last year, when President-elect Trump was in the process of selecting his cabinet, and discussed over coffee the anti-Trump dossier, the Russia investigation and what Simpson considered the distressing development of Trump’s victory.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2017/09/25/new-york-magazine-admits-mueller-investigation-fishing-expedition

    Got that? This is a “backward investigation” where “you don’t have a crime” so “you’re searching.” Oh, and you aren’t “really sure what you’re searching for” so you just “start asking around and see what comes up.” In fact you have to figure out “whether or not there is a crime.”

    Does this “backward investigation” not sound exactly like a perfect description of a fishing expedition? Every correspondent covering the Mueller investigation should print out that revelatory paragraph from New York magazine, laminate it, and carry it around at all times as a reminder as to what this Mueller investigation is all about…a fishing expedition.

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    BC, Imperial Torturer growls and barks:

    DJ Allyn, MPSE @ #:

    It really is amazing how condescending a fuckweasel you can be. You assume that everyone here is a 3rd grade dropout, comes from a trailer park in the backwoods of Arkansas and that there’s no way that any of us can have any knowledge of how anything works, other than a moonshine still, four-barrel carburetor or AR-15.

    Once all of the exculpatory evidence comes out, ESPECIALLY the evidence showing that the FISA warrant was obtained under false pretenses (Read: Based on knowingly-false DNC/Shillary-financed fairy tale “dossier”), any case brought about by ANY action after that is de facto “null and void”.

    You should take some and read up on how it’s a kind of a “no-no” for Federal agencies to make up bullshit “evidence” in order to get a warrant, in order to then go after more “evidence”, based on said warrant, then charging someone using said “evidence”. Here’s a hint, you doddering Marxist fool, judges (at least non-Prognazi ones) don’t tend to take kindly to US citizens being set-up by the authorities using fake “evidence”.
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    LC hilljohnny growls and barks:

    Terrapod says:

    Employees working for the Federal Government are barred from voting in federal elections

    wouldn’t this block all military personnel from voting?

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    BC, Imperial Torturer says:

    It really is amazing how condescending a fuckweasel you can be.

    When in Rome…

    You assume that everyone here is a 3rd grade dropout, comes from a trailer park in the backwoods of Arkansas and that there’s no way that any of us can have any knowledge of how anything works, other than a moonshine still, four-barrel carburetor or AR-15.

    Well, of the nine people who still remain here, you have to wonder…

    The only reason I bothered to comment here — on this particular thread — is because I have some first hand experience in this stuff. I didn’t comment on the merits of the case, I’m really only speaking to what is actually happening, and what it really means.

    I don’t give two shits about the so-called exculpatory evidence — that’s a completely separate argument and immaterial to what I’m pointing out here.

    There are some things we DO know.

    We know that Flynn lied to investigators. We also know that Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent TWICE. We also know that Flynn was involved in planning the kidnapping of a Turkish Imam out of Pennsylvania in exchange for $15 million in cash — while working as Trump’s National Security Advisor.

    These are things that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Steele Dossier that the Right is desperate to impeach.

    We could talk about a violation of the Logan Act, but frankly, nobody has ever faced a charge for violating the Logan Act, so it wasn’t very likely that a federal prosecutor would ever try.

    Misha’s initial post here was an attempt to minimize the importance of the charges against Flynn. THIS is where I am pushing back against, because this IS a pretty damn serious thing Flynn is going through right now, and it is the reason why you think I am being “condescending a fuckweasel”.

    I’m not, for the record. I was only pointing out that this IS very serious — you might ask Mike Flynn how serious HE thinks it is.

    Until you’ve been under legal jeopardy in a federal court, you really have no understanding just how ruthless the federal prosecutors can be. Especially if the government thinks you might have information that will take down someone higher than you. The pressure they bring against you is massive. They will stack a pile of serious charges up against you and then offer you a conviction on a minor charge on the condition that you “flip” or “roll over” on other people up the food chain.

    There are some other tools to keep the defendant in line. The feds offer two sentencing “points” off for “acceptance of responsibility”. In order to get those two points, the defendant has to give up a lot of substantial stuff. He has to implicate others in a scheme. He has to provide evidence and testimony to identify the “leader/organizer” of that scheme. The feds LOVE to find their ‘kingpin’, and they do so by rounding up all the minor players, applying pressure on them to flip them to get to that leader/organizer.

    That is exactly what Mueller is doing right now with Flynn.

    Read the documents. It’s all in there.

    All that said, you will notice that not once have I mentioned anyone else but Flynn and what the Feds are doing to apply pressure to him. I am NOT talking about the merits of the case — it’s not my concern. I’m ONLY pointing out what is HAPPENING.

    All that Steele dossier crap? I’m not even bothering with all that.
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    irish19 growls and barks:

    :em03:
    I’m wondering whether Trump is letting this all play out, giving the progs and their surrogates more and more rope until it is too close to the midterms for them to scrub it from the news before springing the trap.

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    We know that Flynn lied to investigators. We also know that Flynn failed to register as a foreign agent TWICE. We also know that Flynn was involved in planning the kidnapping of a Turkish Imam out of Pennsylvania in exchange for $15 million in cash — while working as Trump’s National Security Advisor.

    The BBC reports Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the alleged plot stemmed from the probe into the alleged Russian interference in last year’s presidential election.

    If Mueller had proof he’d charge him.,…he dont got proof he dont got shit.

    You know it I know it.

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    BC, Imperial Torturer growls and barks:

    Until you’ve been under legal jeopardy in a federal court, you really have no understanding just how ruthless the federal prosecutors can be. Especially if the government thinks you might have information that will take down someone higher than you. The pressure they bring against you is massive. They will stack a pile of serious charges up against you and then offer you a conviction on a minor charge on the condition that you “flip” or “roll over” on other people up the food chain.

    So, you’re speaking from experience, one can assume? (If so, I’m not asking for specifics, since that’s none of my business.)
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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    BC @20.

    So, you’re speaking from experience, one can assume?

    I was about to ask the same question.

    Delta J Alpha @17.

    Well, of the nine people who still remain here, you have to wonder…

    What? Is that the Empire’s current size?

  22. 22
    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Oh yeah the Fake News Network does it again

    The new reports said Trump Jr. and other campaign officials had received an email pointing them to the WikiLeaks documents on the afternoon of Sept. 14 — after they had already been made public.

    The original CNN report said Trump Jr. had received the email on Sept. 4, before WikiLeaks had made the documents public.

    Is CNN so fucking stupid they cant read dates on an EMAIL now?

    On Friday afternoon, Raju corrected the report on air, saying that the email, by then obtained by CNN, “shows that perhaps the initial understanding of what this email was perhaps is not as significant as what we know now.”

    Translation

    We were so eager to try and “get” people we didnt have the brains to CHECK the date.

    Sep 5, 2017 – CNN fake news. Retracted. AFTER they were caught

    December 1, 2017 – ABC fake news – Retracted AFTER theyu were caught

    December 9 2017 – CNN fake news – Retracted AFTER they were told they’d screwed up – AGAIN.

    Why is it we dont believe the media?

    Geee..lemme rack my brains here….

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    BC, Imperial Torturer says:

    So, you’re speaking from experience, one can assume?

    I am, without going into specifics. It’s been twenty-five years, but I still remember it like it was yesterday.

    LC Xystus says:

    What? Is that the Empire’s current size?

    I came to that number based on the number of comments over the past couple of weeks by the roughly same nine people. But all that can probably be attributed to the fact that new posts here seem to be few and far in between.

    This site is in desperate need of a facelift and a freshening up. That might help too.

    ====

    All this said I’m outta here. I explained what was happening with the Flynn conviction and the significance behind it. You can take it or leave it for all I really care. Y’all will eventually know that what I’ve said here about it is correct. I didn’t come here to argue with people who don’t know what they are arguing. If y’all want to go on believing that this is all about nothing, then, by all means, be WRONG. Just remember that I told you here first.
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    Terrapod growls and barks:

    Ummm… that comment about the “R” party about to elect Roy Moore (some expletive descriptor), gosh is it not funny that the Red Diaper Doper Baby – Allred has suddenly vanished and the accuser has admitted to faking the yearbook entry and lying about the alleged event?? Amazing is it not? That there are slimeballs on both sides of the aisle there is no doubt, but the ratio appears to be 95% D and 5% R. May the people of Alabama do their civic duty, all the rest should just shut up and butt out.

    I for one do mjss the chat option that used to exist on the Rott.

    Carry on.

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