Welcome to Hell

It seems to me that NBC has it’s collectivist panties in a knot about the treatment of various scumbags amongst us. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev the Boston Marathon bomber,  should he avoid the death penalty, is destined to wind up at a Super-Max facility in Colorado called the Administrative Maximum Facility — aka ADX, or “supermax”.

First and foremost, let me start by saying Ol’ Dzhokhar needs to be hanged. No Lethal injections, no quick death by firing squad. Hanged. In the the public square. Then Drawn, quartered and dumped at sea – there’s a 3500 lb 16 foot Great White lurking off the coast of NJ, and I’m sure she’s hungry.

Boston Bomber Tsarnaev Faces Prison Hell if He Escapes Execution

Prison hell – one sort of get’s a mental image of moldy lichen encrusted stone walls with shackles, rats, and roaches the size of a Fiat 500 huh? Torches in wrought iron holders casting a smoky haze over wet, dank, cold and miserable  dungeons. Torture racks, filthy floors crawling with lice, vermin, and sadistic jailers with weighted saps just waiting for you to set foot wrong.

Dungeons and Dragons imagery aside, the reality is far different for the miscreants in the US Prison system today.

Take note of the video that auto loads as you click on the above link from NBC . It shows a moving camera shot of an actual cell inside the ADX in Colorado. Hold your nose, I know it’s tough visiting NBC – but take one for the team will ya’?

Quite frankly – As far as I can see, these guys have it pretty damn good. U.S. Military troops live in tents. Some in barracks, some in more normalized housing. Assuming of course, they aren’t in some shit hole 3rd world Islamic Paradise conducting operations.

U.S. Navy Sailors on a ship for months at a time have just about – 25 Sq. Feet to call their “own” that’s their “coffin” bunk and if – if they’re lucky, a small 2 foot by 3 foot gym style vertical  locker to hang a few shirts in. The showers are community style, as are the bathrooms. Contrasted to a 7X12 foot space with a bunk, private sink, and toilet that a Muslim Terrorist named Tasrnaev is going to be afforded. A terrorist that killed Americans.

Even a 1000 foot long Aircraft Carrier is mostly the same as a 200 Foot long Destroyer when it comes to living arrangements for the crew. It’s cramped, crowded, and all it takes to make life a real living hell on a ship is a broken HVAC or CHT (sewage) system. I beg your indulgence dear reader,  as I take a little trip down memory lane here, bear with me. Because it bears on the entire discussion.

Underway on a CVA (Aircraft Carrier – Attack) the berthing space held 80 plus sailors of various disciplines, that was just one such space, honeycombed through the interior of the ship were dozens more to house the 5000 man crew that was required to sail that ship and fly the planes off her pointy end.   You slept stacked on top of one another. 3 bunks high. Beans are a staple in the Navy. Make of that what you will.

In roughly  the same space of one inmate at the ADX facility 3 sailors lived, slept, farted on one another, and time permitting might have wrote an occasional letter home. On smaller ships with even more limited space – “hot racking” is not uncommon, meaning you share that bunk with a fellow crew member on the shift opposite of you. Literally the 3 inch thick foam mattress is still “hot” from the previous occupant’s body heat when you crawl into it – hence the term ‘hot-rack’ Thank G_d The Boston Bomber wont have to concern himself with such indignities.

The “HVAC” system was powered by seawater. Which would either serve to cool the interior of the ship or warm it. Or at least make a valiant attempt at it.  It worked great assuming you were in 70 degree waters and sailing under a cloudless blue sky. That was rarely the case. If you were in the North Atlantic – up near the Arctic Circle say, you froze your damn balls off. You were then ‘awarded’ the certificate and prestige of being a “Blue Nose”. You were hazed unmercifully during your “trials” to obtain that lofty title.  (Being of a somewhat sarcastic bent my “charge sheet” was some 3 double spaced pages long. Ouch.)

The ship is steel, her hull, her decks, her overheads – steel. Steel is a wonderful conductor. Hot, Cold, Electrical current, it passes it all along with very little effort. Water temps were around 50 degrees up there around Norway if I recall.  Cross the equator and earn yet another lofty title of “Shellback” again via a “trial” where the water temps are near 80 degrees, and well, you sweated those same balls off. I guess in today’s Politically correct Navy, the fairer sex would have to suffice for sweating or freezing their boobs off. None the less; Hot, humid, sticky and miserable at times. And this was on a ship considered the cutting edge of modern when it was built in the early 60′s, I can only imagine what a WWI or WWII era ship must have been like to live on.

Aside from the lack of creature comforts, did I mention this was an Aircraft carrier? Oh Yeah, I did. What’s that mean? One short word.  Noise. Not the annoying noise of some hood rat with a bad woofer pimping his ride at the red light makes, No…. this is noise of the sort to make one slowly go mad.

Catapults and High performance Jet Aircraft screaming at full throttle. A F-14 Tomcat in zone five afterburner without proper ear protection will render you deaf in just seconds of exposure. It’s ungodly loud, like the gates of hell being opened loud. Then comes the ‘shot” as the catapult releases. A metal on metal steam powered shriek followed (in about a second) by the impact of the shuttle that attaches to the nose gear impacting with the water- brake. I can’t put it to words here, one simply can’t hope to describe it in terms that anyone can possibly understand unless they have lived that sort of experience. Suffice to say the shot itself, shakes the entire ship. A 900,000 ton ship shakes. Think about that and digest it. Shhhhhreik-BOOM!! Rattle rattle rattle, as the shuttle makes it’s way back to the hook up for the next plane. Shhhhhhreik – BOOOM! Rattle rattle rattle. Over. And Over. And Over again. 18 -24 Hours a day. Remember that first F-14 that just launched ? When it launches the noise from its engines which are still still in ‘burner  hits that steel bow of the ship  like a shock wave from a small nuke. It reverberates through the steel like a gong.

Alas, as the laws of physics dictate, what goes up – must come down. Time for a “recovery” or bringing the 40 or so Aircraft you launched 2 hours or so ago back on deck. The Tomcat is a 20 Ton Aircraft, the New F-18A Hornet’s a bit lighter. An E-2C Hawkeye heavier. All this means noise. Dozens of Tons of aircraft slamming down on a metal deck grabbing a 3 inch thick wire cable to stop. Those cables are on giant spools. They too scream like the worlds largest fishing reels with a 300 lb Marlin on it only louder, 10xs louder. Or the biggest baddest demon crawling out of hell’s gates – choose your metaphor.

Libya 1986, we flew for 36 hours straight. It used to be called a ‘Chainsaw’ You flew none stop 24 hours a day. Your eyes are bleeding from the lack of sleep, but you sleep…when you can.

How can one ever hope to sleep with all this noise and chaos? Actually due to exhaustion You sleep like a baby. I was one deck under the number 3 “Cat” as we called them. And flight ops or no – I’d crawl up into my “rack” pull my curtains and even amidst all the racket,  in minutes be sleeping like a babe in its mothers arms. You know why? Because I was up for 24 hours previously working. Stuffing foam ear plugs in your ears helped too. Those things were like gold. You horded them. I consider over all, I had it good. I worked in the interior of the ship. Controlling Aircraft. I wasn’t out on a flight deck getting blasted by jet exhaust on a windy deck slowly being cooked under the Indian Ocean sun, or braving the howling bitter freezing cold winds of the North Atlantic.

Why do I point this out? What’s the context for the trip down memory lane? Because – one needs to put this sort of nonsense from NBC  into some sort of perspective. That being; That US Military members routinely and VOLUNTARILY endure as bad if not WORSE conditions than these molly coddled and babied child killer felons.

Okay, let’s go back to the original intent of my post:

The NBC article, Quoting Amnesty International – whom pretty much never saw a criminal or terrorist they didn’t love and want to turn loose to rape, pillage, and plunder the masses said this IRT to some of the US Prison system.

The USA incarcerates thousands of prisoners in long-term or indefinite solitary confinement. This report describes Amnesty International’s concerns about conditions of severe isolation at the United States Penitentiary, Administrative Maximum facility in Colorado. It also examines conditions in Special Management Units and Security Housing Units operated at other federal prison facilities. Amnesty International believes these conditions breach international standards for the humane treatment of prisoners. The report also details disturbing evidence of prisoners with serious mental illness being detained in harsh isolated conditions without adequate screening, treatment or monitoring.

Go here for the full PDF file

No word from AI yet on the outrage of lack of humane treatment of the people these bottom feeding terrorists and assorted other violent criminals have killed. I’m sure that AI report is being drafted as we speak. Snort!

At this point, it is the best Tsarnaev can hope for. But as they wrap up their case against the death penalty, Tsarnaev’s lawyers are trying to persuade the jury that if they sent him to the ADX, he’d be separated from the world forever.

Is there anything in the world more repugnant or vile than a criminal defense attorney? Don’t answer that. There isn’t. How the fuck do these people sleep at night I wonder. Far as this writer is concerned they should be in adjoining cells. Treasonous bastards all of them, arguing to spare this assholes life after he killed a 3 year kid has got to be the very definition of repugnant.

NBC then goes on to quote Garrett Linderman a convict whom was released from the CO facility said:

“It breaks down the human spirit, it breaks down the human psyche. It breaks your mind,”

OH NOES! You poor, poor dear. My heart absolutely bleeds for you. Or not. Here’s a novel idea, quit breaking the fucking law dickhead! Apparently, your mind is left sound enough to be mewling and crying about your self imposed plight on 60 Minutes, now isn’t it? Go figure… gotta get paid yo!

The Non-Stop Bullshit Channel continues:

Even in general population, the ADX imposes extreme isolation. Prisoners spend about 23 hours a day in solitary confinement in 12-by-7-foot cells with a single 4-inch-wide window and walls thick enough to stifle any attempts at communication. A slot in the door is used to deliver meals and for any visits.

Two words. Justin Bieber. Faced with listening to that – I’m taking the cell, the thick walls, and ‘extreme isolation’. Fuck that noise!

Oh, The horror! A window? Really? Find me a window on a US Navy Sub. 90 day patrols ….under water the entire time. And to boot, if your unlucky enough to be on watch when the mess decks are open – and don’t get relived until they are closed, you too get your meals delivered. A sandwich, a pint of boxed juice and some fruit. Maybe, depends on what they have time to put together otherwise it’s MRE’s…Shudder.  Know why sailors are known to swill coffee by the gallons? It’s a good way to fill a hole in your belly. And it beats “BBQ Beef” MRE’s *gag*  Our Boston Bomber will have no such concerns, I am sure.

The shills and pearl clutching swine  at NBC should be glad Tsarnaev is under a fair and just legal court system. Where child killing terrorists are concerned….I’m not so “just”. Not even close. He’d be down right lucky to find himself in a dungeon still breathing  if it were me imposing sentence. That’s if I were in a good mood. Of course if not, and I’m in my more common Snarly mood….there is still that shark “Mary Lee” out there….I like that idea. A lot.

 

17 comments

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Does anyone still watch NBC? I haven’t watched network news in at least 12 years.
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    Yasherka growls and barks:

    Well THAT bought back memories. I was Navy for the first four years of my military career (82-86). Did one WESTPAC on the Connie (CV-64) working alternately as an avionics troubleshooter on the flight deck and below decks in the Avionics Intermediate Maintenance Dept. I still remember the compartment number: 1-21-01-L.

    And CiSSnarl’s description of living conditions is dead-nuts on. My bunk was in a compartment with 250 other squids and directly beneath the bow catapult machinery room. The only things I couldn’t sleep through were a GQ alarm and the asshole with the needle gun above me cleaning off rust or paint or whatever.

    As for Tsarnaev, take him to the desert around Yuma during high summer, give him half a canteen of salt water, and shoot him in the knees

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    LC Gregory growls and barks:

    Oh, CisSnarl.

    What did poor Mary Lee ever do to you to deserve such a foul poisoning?

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    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    One of my old acquaintances helped built the super-max at Florence. The deal is that the most dangerous are housed here. At no time is there an instance, even in the hospital, where there is not steel between the prisoner and the guards. They are completely isolated from all human contact…… for all instances. They say most of the prisoners, even the hardest, are babbling head cases within a year.

    Send the Boston Bomber there. He deserves it.

    Then keep him alive. Trot him out once a year on the bombing anniversary as an object lesson.

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    LC Roguetek growls and barks:

    For those of you who cheerfully cast Defense Lawyers as evil, and lustily cheer for horrible fates for the accused…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9rjGTOA2NA

    I’ll just leave this here.

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    readerjp growls and barks:

    SFC Christopher Speer Is Dead; Omar Khadr Is Free

    A Canadian judge ruled this week that Omar Khadr poses no public safety threat. Tell that to the children of Sergeant First Class Christopher J. Speer and the surviving American soldiers who valiantly fought Khadr on the battlefield.

    In 2012, Khadr pleaded guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty and guilty to five charges related to the killing of Speer, a 28-year-old medic with the U.S. Special Forces. This young American hero died in Afghanistan in 2002 during an ambush by al-Qaida operatives. Just days before he gave his life, Speer had fearlessly walked onto a minefield to rescue two wounded Afghan children. It was Khadr, born and bred an Islamic jihadist by his terrorist father, who lobbed the fatal grenade in the war zone. Another American soldier, SFC Layne Morris, survived the attack, but was blinded in one eye for life.

    In a sealed plea deal at Guantanamo Bay, Khadr admitted to throwing the grenade. He admitted to attempted murder, conspiracy, spying and providing material support to terrorism. He signed a 50-paragraph stipulation that classified him as an “enemy belligerent because he has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States and its coalition partners” and documented his family’s intimate association and friendship with al-Qaida leaders Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Muhammad Atef.

    Disgusting. This deification of an al-Qaida-trained murderer is a slap in the face to every American soldier and every military family that has sacrificed to combat Islamic jihad.

    But don’t look for our government to raise its voice in protest. It is because of jihad-coddler Barack Obama, working quietly to empty Gitmo, that Khadr found his way back to Canada in the first place. The White House surreptitiously released the killer and flew him home as American citizens were distracted by the 2012 midterm elections. Now, despite opposition from Canada’s conservative government, Khadr’s out on bail while appealing his U.S. war-crimes convictions.

    Read more at http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin050815.php3#rqARPDXPRItepDz8.99

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    Slow lift strangulation hanging. No “horse running out from under”, no quick drop snap. Cover his entire body in pig intestines and lift him on a hoist.

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    irish19 growls and barks:

    LC Robohobo @ #:
    I like the way you think!
    :em01: :em01:

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    i once did a six-month rotation through ADX-Florence when I worked for the BOP. (BOP staff assigned to prison levels above Medium High are routinely moved from prison to prison for security reasons)

    I can tell you that what you see in that video is a sanitized show of a cell assigned to a lower custody prison worker and not representative of the type of cells used by the likes of the Unibomber and others.

    Here’s the thing: The buildings you see from the ground level are for the lower security prisoners — Medium, Minimum-R, and Minimum. These are the inmates who are assigned to the prison to make the place work — the cooks, the maintenance people, porters, laundry workers and such.

    Inmates like Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will not likely be able to program his way down to a level in forty years that will allow him to have a prison job of any kind.

    Now I appreciate your trying to compare the conditions of the US military personnel with the Close custody inmates like Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. But it is apples and … Kimchee.

    Let me explain the average day for a prisoner like Dzhokhar Tsarnaev,

    He will be locked up inside of his 7 x 12 foot cement box. It will have NO WINDOWS, because it is actually underground. The only human contact he will have will be a staff member who comes by once every fifteen minutes for a check. A solid door with a small viewing window that is normally kept shut. A camera is in the ceiling 16 feet above that keeps an eye on him 24/7/365.

    Unlike the shower in the room in the video, the room has a concrete toilet, a concrete bed with a 1″ tear-proof mattress, and a cement desk with a cement stool.

    The lights are on 24/7/365,

    Each cell has a television screen set back in the wall behind a heavy steal mesh. Inmates are not allowed to receive paper, crayons, pencils or any type of writing implements. When they get mail, it is read on that television screen. If they want to send a letter, they can record what they want to say and voice recognition software will print up a letter and mail it out.

    Each inmate is isolated from all other inmates. If they want a shower, a door opens up in the back of their cell where there is a shower that runs on a conveyor from cell to cell. When done with the shower, the wall pushes the inmate out and the door closes and moves to the next cell. This happens three times a week.

    “Recreation” or “yard” is the same door opening up into a room about the same size as the cell, It precedes the shower on that same conveyor.

    There is some television programming that comes through on the monitor in the cell, but the inmate has to “earn” the “privilege” of watching it. They will not see the news, or current affairs, or anything that describes the surrounding landscape around the prison.

    When the inmates filed their 42 USC 1983 civil rights complaints alleging multiple examples of cruel and unusual punishment, they were talking about the very real conditions caused by sensory deprivation. ADX isolates its prisoners so much that they are no longer able to socialize.

    Many of the inmates housed there are on permanent suicide watch. I am sure that if you were to ask ANY of them if they had a choice between staying at ADX for the rest of their lives or being put to death in any horrific manner you can conceive, they would choose the later.

    This is where I differ from many of the anti-capital punishment folks. Sometimes it is more humane to put someone down than it is to house them in a place like ADX Florence.

    Florence is the reason I quit working as a staff psychologist in a prison. None of you have ANY idea…
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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Well, if DJ’s description is accurate, then we should send every jihadi there whom we currently are housing in Country Club Gitmo, post-haste. And the Boston bomber as well. Sod the lot.

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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    I agree, if DJ is correct and this is accurate, sensory deprivation sounds like the way to go with an annual video of Tsarnev showing him a babbling basket case to serve as a warning to others that our justice system has no love for terrorists and this is your fate if you make war against the United States.

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    DJ Allyn, MPSE growls and barks:

    Tallulah @ #10 and
    watchyerlane @ #11:

    I feel it would be more humane to just put him to death. There is no sense in keeping him alive and turning him into someone whose only real purpose in life is to smear his feces on the wall and wait until a porter comes into his cell to power wash it off whenever he goes out to his “recreation”.

    It might sound like it is a perfect fitting for punishment, but after a couple of years you stop being conscious of your surroundings. Basically, all you are doing is keeping a shell alive.

    It is amazing how quick a person loses his mind in there.

    It is hard on the staff who have to work there to see this happen. Most of them who rotate out will leave the bureau altogether. I did, and never looked back.

    If a person is so bad that he warrants being locked down in isolation for the rest of his life, then you might as well kill him and be done with it. It is bad enough for those people with a sentence long enough that they will never see the outside again but are living inside of a penitentiary or a Medium-High facility where they can work, program, and interact with others. At least they have the sense of “community” and maybe even a “purpose” along with an opportunity for redemption.

    But the BOP will never classify Tsarnaev to a Close custody Penitentiary or a Medium-High facility because his crimes won’t give him enough points to qualify him for anything other than the ADX.

    So hopefully, the jury will do the right thing and allow him to die.
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    watchyerlane growls and barks:

    DJ, I have no problem whacking the guy. I am cool with him dancing at the end of a rope but the idea of a good mind-f*&k sounds rather appealing before he meets Mr. Mayhem.

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    Ya now, it’s damn near summer. The beaches are filling up, and literally millions of Americans and their broods of children will be flocking to the East Coast.

    Mary Lee is prowling around out there …. 16 feet long and weighs as much as a mid sized car. A shark that big has gotta eat! A lot!

    Since the more ‘sensitive’ segment of our population seems to abhor long term incarceration or violence against their fellow man…. I beseech his most noble Tyrant – Misha to issue an Imperial edict that Tsarenav be deemed immediately – a 100% expendable part of the food chain and to revoke his ‘human card’ forthwith. From this point on due to the nature of his crimes – he should be referred to as simply “carbon with legs”.

    It’s a win win, win, the Econazi’s get their pound (or pounds of flesh as the case may be) and save a majestic shark from starvation. AND….There is of course, One less carbon footprint to worry about – Added value!!

    The liberal soccer mom crowd can rejoice in that – now sated, the rather toothy dreadnaught Mary Lee should pose no immediate danger to their (hell spawn snot nosed brats) children AND knowing that there is one less carbon foot print not suffer so much dread and anxiety at the pump the next time they fill up the tank on the family truckster – It’s for the chiiiiiiiildren !!

    And us knuckle dragging tea party types get to know a pedophile revering, moon god worshiping met his 72 virgins. Why the only thing better to us would be – real time HD with Dolby Surround sound of Mary Lee enjoying her snack. I was going to suggest that the carbon with legs be drawn first, but I understand it might be made ‘uncomfortable’ and start screaming in anguish…. and we most certainly can’t have that.

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    LC Robohobo growls and barks:

    Hmm, DJ, I went to High School at the East end of Canon City at the big Monastery School that was there. Yup, that one.

    Friends of mine from those very old times worked at ADX and other BOP facilities. As I said my friend was the Field Engineer at ADX.

    Also, the ADX is for the worst of the worst. Your description is accurate and spot on. No human contact. Ever.