I Need A Favor

Well, advice actually. Especially from the LC’s who have survived parenthood. As you know Good Friday is coming up. As a Catholic it is a central part of Holy Week, when we remember the Passion and Crucifixion of Christ. This Good Friday is also the last Good Friday before my Princesses First Communion. You Catholic readers know the significance of that event, and I’m sure the rest of you can imagine.

So here’s my problem. A few years ago when Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ came out in the theater Bangie Thing and I saw it. When the lights dimmed the most amazing thing happened. People put their sodas and popcorn down, turned their phones off, and stopped talking. Except for quiet weeping, there wasn’t another sound until the movie was over. It was that powerful of an experience. What I saw on the screen was what has been sanitized from the modern representations of the suffering and Crucifixion of Jesus. Not to be too cliche about it, but it was in fact a religious experience. I was moved to a new understanding and appreciation of the Mystery of the Eucharist.

Now that my daughters are about to become full communicants in the Church, I want them to have the same understanding of exactly what Christ endured for us, and have a better understanding of just how crucial the Eucharist is. That was something that I was denied until that moment in the theater. Unfortunately in today’s world words such as “suffered, died and was buried”, “scourged” and “chastised” don’t carry the weight they did when they were written. The visual barbarity that was brought home in the movie showed the true extent of what Christ suffered that day 2000 years ago like no verbal description ever could.

Now, despite being my offspring, the Princesses are still girls, and they are only seven years old, so I’m concerned that the movie may be too much for them. Especially when I consider that Princess Walnut, my youngest by two minutes, cried during the Stations of the Cross. They do have a serious Tom Boy streak, it’s not like they’re squeamish, but those of you who have seen The Passion know that it’s not for the faint of heart. Of course I would be watching it with them and there would be a serious talk about what they had seen, but at the same time I don’t want them having nightmares about Jesus.

So my plan is to watch The Passion with the girls on Good Friday after the Stations of the Cross. I would really value y’alls input though before I make my final decision. I’ve already spoke to my parish priests and have received some very good guidance both pro and con. If there’s anyone who can debate an issue to death, it’s y’all and one thing I’ve learned is that the experience and opinions of the readers here are an invaluable resource.

So what say you?

44 comments

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    Sir Fresh Sign growls and barks:

    Catholic? Check
    Father of an amazing daughter? Check
    Seen Passion? Most of it, but i was too squeamish.

    My advice is that while you may ponder the pros and cons of the decision NOW as it relates to them NOW in their pure uncorrupted state, you NEVER KNOW how such a screening will affect them viscerally and either pay them dividends beyond measure as their life progresses.

    My daughter was haunted by 2010 A SPace Odyssey when i screened it for her as a toddler… she had fears of the darkened door of her room taking the shape of the Obelisk, but today she realizes the import of that film and the giant leap it represented.

    bad example i guess, but i thought i did the wrong thing back then, but she is fine now and understands the import and can proudly remember seeing at as vulnerable young girl.

    i’m not good at this advice thing….

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    Cricket growls and barks:

    I think you already have your answer. If you think they might be too young and tender-hearted to understand what scourging means, then follow your instincts. I have found over the years, that parental instincts are God-given for a reason. I think Our Lord knows your heart, and of your desire to have your daughters understand His sacrifice. Maybe, when they are older, say around 14-15, you might rent the film and have them see it. I am not a Catholic, so maybe I am stepping out of line here, but maybe read the passages in Isaiah where it talks Messianically, and cross-reference that with the New Testament. Ask your priest if he has some age-appropriate films they could see that explains the Passion without the graphic suffering. Just my two cents.

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    USCitizen growls and barks:

    I’d advise you to take your Priest’s advice on this one.

    At about that age, I took my children to the site of the former World Trade Towers and explained to them that there is indeed evil in this world.

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    LC HJ Caveman82952 growls and barks:

    My dear friend Crunchie……
    This one got to me big time, Crunch. I remember my first Holy Communion, like it was yesterday. I loved Communion, the First Confession was what I feared, my rap sheet with God.
    Crunchie…your daughters sound like beautiful sensitive souls…..my honest gut level feelings tell me they are too young for The Passion. Perhaps in time, after it was explained to them, and that He chose to endure this on their behalf. But Crunch….I’ve seen a lot of ugly shit in my life…. I silently wept like a baby watching that, my soul wrenched by thoughts of me being me part of why He endured what He did. That’s a heavy guilt trip to carry around, Bro’………even now sometimes. I walked out of that theater, eyes wet with tears, unashamedly wiping my cheeks, folks waiting in line, seeing a grown man weep, now knowing something heavy was in frnt of them. It also explained to me in great detail the love i feel for Him….and why…..
    To this day my wife has not seen it…she is afraid to……… Good luck, my friend. And if their curiosity gets the best of them, show them this thread. And tell them how grateful I am to them for their prayers for my wife………and that beyond any doubt Jesus loves them more than any person ever could. And as with any mentor, He put it on the line for us all….and two little girls fathered by a friend of mine…….

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    LC Thresher growls and barks:

    The older I get, the more I think I am probably not going to have children, but if you’ll accept, I’ll offer my opinion…

    I would say they’re too young at the moment. Wait until they’re in their early teens before exposing them to that sort of brutality. Honestly, the way the world is going, they’ll probably see enough of it in their own lives to fill a dozen lifetimes.

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    Crunch,

    I saw The Passion with my son when he was about 16 (25 years old now). He’s a strong committed Christian, the kind I wish and aspire to be……anyways, what we did before we saw it was to read about the events in the Gospels. To read about the betrayal and Jesus prayer of forgiveness and strength, and about the tribulations he went through for our sins. Still, I thought the depiction of it to be a little over the top. I understand what Mel Gibson was trying to do, trying to portray what our Savior suffered for our salvation, but like a lot of Gibson’s films….I feel he gets obsessed with the violence and the point of the film gets obscured by it. That said, it was a very moving experience for me, one I won’t forget.

    As a father of 25 and 21 year old boys, I remember some shows that upset them when they were little…..Ghostbusters II for example really shook my youngest, I had to sleep with him for a while after we rented it. I think the violence of The Passion might be a bit much for 7 year olds, I understand how you want to show them what Christ suffered for our sins and it’s a message that both of my boys have had taught to them, but I think they are a bit young to get that in this film. The violence would overshadow that for them IMHO…..

    Have you thought about watching The Greatest Story Ever Told with them? One of my favorite movies and the message is just as powerful.

    My best to you and your family in this holy season, it is a time of great humility when I meditate on what the Son of God endured for me. Thank you for carrying the message sir

    :em04:

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    LC Wil, S.C.E. growls and barks:

    Crunchie my old,

    My family and I attend the Anglican Church down the street, so perhaps the translation of experience is somewhat faulty, but, for what it’s worth:
    Both of my Precious Daughters are committed Christians. My youngest just turned 11. She is an acolyte at the church.

    She is too young to attend The Passion of The Christ.

    Again, for what it’s worth. These are, after all, your Princesses. If you do decide to take them, sit between them, so that you are able to hold them both. It will be necessary.

    May God Bless.

    Wil

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    As a Christian and a parent, were it my child I would wait. Your concerns of the girls having nightmares about Jesus are valid I think. I remember going to see the Vietnam Veterans Wall with a good friend and his daughter who was about 8 at the time. The poor little girl didn’t grasp the sacrifice of the brave Americans who shed their blood there, but she did grasp the horror…….. and she had nightmares for a couple of weeks.

    I’ll toss up a prayer that you have the wisdom to find the correct choice for you and yours.

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    The Irish Dragon growls and barks:

    Not a parent, yet, but I’m going to have to agree with most of the above, Crunch. As harsh a world as we live in, kids in the West are still sheltered enough that seven is too young for The Passion. You know I’m far from squeamish, but I still weep when I see that movie. I’d suggest one of the older movies, for the moment, say Ben Hur or The Robe.

    Part of what brought me when I was younger to more understanding was my father’s words about his reading of “A Doctor at Calvary.” He didn’t go into gory detail on what he’d read, but the book describes the physiological effects of the scourging and crucifixion, so what little he did tell us about it hit home. I guess what I’m getting at is that you can start to get the true horror of deicide across before they are ready to handle “painting a barn in blood,” like some of us older barbarians.

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    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    I have full confidence in your judgment, brother, so it’s entirely up to you. However, that movie is, as you know, a hugely emotional experience and, whereas I’m certain it won’t do any damage, kids are more resilient than that and the message of the movie is too strong to be “wiped out” completely by an emotional reaction to it, it just might turn a day that should be joyous as well as momentous into a day of talking about the horrors of the move rather than the aforementioned message.

    I don’t know. I wouldn’t show it to The Heirs. Not because it would harm them, because it would no more harm them than it would your princesses, but because I doubt that they’d get it. I’m worried that they’d be too focused on dealing with the frightening stuff to have time, right now, for internalizing the internal message. They’d get it in time, to be sure, but not right now.

    It’s definitely a movie that they should see at some point, though. Nothing I have ever read or watched drove the message home better for me than it did, and I was a blubbering mess by the time it was over. That movie, and the first time I ever performed The Messiah before an audience, are the two times that I truly, honestly, deep down in the very roots of my soul, felt G-d.

    Just my two devalued Imperial Sestertii ;)

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    LC Old Dog growls and barks:

    I guess I survived Parenthood, my youngest is 38!

    I had this same discussion with my Daughter about her middle child, the Girl. I honestly advised her to hold off on taking the eight year old to see that movie. I identified it to her as the equivalent of her witnessing a fatal car crash at that same age. It caused her problems for several years.

    The movie evokes that level of emotional response and could cause that same level of mental trauma. I say could because nothing is certain but, do you want to take that chance?

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    Patrick growls and barks:

    Some advice ftom a WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant)

    Wait till they’re older.

    Better yet, show them this movie instead:

    http://www.chick.com/catalog/videos/lotw.asp

    watch the video clips. This video is something to behold.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    Churchgoing Episcopalian here. To all my Christian confreres, have a blessed Holy Week.

    We confirm our kids at age 12 — seventh-graders. I would wait until they’re old enough to handle the violence depicted. I saw The Passion of the Christ and thought it was a masterpiece, but I did close my eyes for the whipping scene. The sound effects were tough enough to take, even for an adult.

    Have you considered renting Zeffirelli’s Jesus of Nazareth for them? That was a beautifully done, wonderfully acted, reverent depiction of Jesus’ life done in the 1970s as a miniseries, but with feature film production values. Very true to the New Testament. Take a look at it on Youtube. I think that it would be a better choice for a pair of little girls. They can see The Passion when they’re teenagers.

    My two cents.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    This is the last scene from Jesus of Nazareth, as he tells the disciples he’s returning to our Father in Heaven:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU6BerePfrA&feature=related

    “. . . and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.”

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    LC Panzermann growls and barks:

    Crunch, mate.

    Agree with Misha here. Definitely wouldn’t do any damage, but it probably wouldn’t really be the experience you are looking for as the intensity of the movie might occupy them a little bit too much.

    It would be something to prepare them for confirmation, wouldn’t it ? At what age do you chaps do this, around twelvish ?

    Anyway, you cannot really go wrong either way, as you will be there with them.

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    Shaitana growls and barks:

    As a mother of 4 young ones, two of them girls, I would wait. At least 12 or more till it really makes an impact, you know, during the start of those rebellious no one loves me years.

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    T growls and barks:

    Yo, Crunch –
    As a father of four girls, I kinda agree with the “hold off” pattern above. Seven is a bit young, and – yes, kids can handle a lot more than we as parents think they can – my own opinion is let them come to the realisation of what our Lord went through gently. Above all – be there with your hands in theirs. My own daughters still know and verbalize that each is “Daddys’ little girl” and tries always to be there when needed, and for this you WILL be needed.

    Oh, BTW – my youngest daughter is now 25 – and she still likes holding Daddys’ hand.

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    BigDogg growls and barks:

    Crunch, I have a 7 year old daughter, and 10 year old twin girls, and I’ve been praying about and debating the same thing. I do think that it’s important that they experience a glimpse into the magnitude of suffering that our Lord went through for us. However, I also realize that in today’s world, the innocence of childhood is eroded way too early.

    I personally have arrived at the conclusion that a full and complete screening of the movie isn’t appropriate for them. I’ve decided to go through the movie and see if there is some way that I can make a log of the portions that become too intense, too graphic, and then skip ahead past those while watching with them. If such an effort isn’t possible, or ruins the effect of the movie, then I’m waiting until they’re older.

    As others have said, God has given you paternal instincts that you should follow … He will guide you, perfectly.

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    Light29ID growls and barks:

    Crunchie,

    Being a Lutheran we have a different view on when things should happen. During the hard years a child wasn’t expected to survive (which as my Grandmother said “we didn’t have babies, we had litters”). Children grew up fast so they had to know things and one was the Bible…all of it. The good, the bad and the ugly. By the time a child on the Plains was confirmed they knew hardship, privation and death so they were aware of what happened to Our Savior. Brutal, yes…but it made them appreciate what they had to endure measured against what Christ endured for us.

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    Light29ID growls and barks:

    For those of us that my have forgotten:

    I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
    Maker of heaven and earth,
    and in Jesus Christ,
    His only Son, our Lord:
    Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
    born of the Virgin Mary,
    suffered under Pontius Pilate,
    was crucified, died, and was buried.
    He descended into hell.
    On the third day He rose again from the dead.
    He ascended into heaven
    and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
    from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
    I believe in the Holy Spirit,
    the Holy Christian Church,
    the communion of saints,
    the forgiveness of sins,
    the resurrection of the body,
    and the life everlasting.
    Amen.

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    marine43 growls and barks:

    Crunch , thats a tough one. I have a hard time watchin that movie. Makes me angry…. obviously you have some doubts. But you should follow your heart and the priests advice. It does show what Christ gave for us, and even after a life as a Catholic, it really struck me. Probably not much help…. Happy Easter brother. God Bless

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    Looks like a pretty strong consensus forming here, Crunch, and I’d have to agree…hold off.

    I had trouble sitting through The Passion as an adult, and I’m not particularly squeamish. It’s not a good choice for kids.

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Hey Crunch,

    MuscleBaby-the-Elder is about to turn twelve, and she and her brother will continue going to private/catholic schools forever if I have to sell blood & organs to do it.
    (notice I didn’t necessarily say ‘my’ blood & organs…)

    I’m going to take this in two parts:

    1) What kinds of movies do you ordinarily let them watch?

    I know a guy w/3 girls, who has let them watch whatever gory/alien-smorgasboard/slash-fest piece of dreck ever released to video – thinks it goes toward his goal of ‘making ‘em tough’.

    Now IF those girls were particularly religious, I believe that by now THEY would be completely desensitized to the inherent horror of the violence in The Passion and stay on-topic…. of course, the flip-side is that they’re all kind of weird & dull-eyed and I can’t help but think that having seen too much before they were really able to differentiate between Real & Movie had something to do with that – I can also imagine that their difficulty in grasping or taking-seriously the notion of a kind and forgiving God might find its roots somewhere in ‘Saw’ and ‘Hostel’.

    2) I don’t know if I agree with Misha about the ‘won’t damage’ part (see ‘weird & dull-eyed’ above), but I do agree that, unless your girls are already that level of inured-to-violence (and haven’t we deliberately put ourselves in harm’s way to prevent that?) they would likely be too busy trying to cope with the horror being played out in front of them, to really keep it in the perspective of “And he deliberately endured this for you.”

    My bit.

    – MD

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    LC MuscleDaddy growls and barks:

    Response to Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @:

    “…but like a lot of Gibson’s films….I feel he gets obsessed with the violence and the point of the film gets obscured by it.”

    Jay, I’m going to have to disagree with you here.

    I think that what Mel has been deliberately doing (particularly in BraveHeart & The Patriot) is trying to make sure that the viewing audience (also known as We The People) don’t lose sight of the fact that grand ideas and ‘battles for freedom’ are more than just dry lists of dates in a textbook – otherwise good people committed & received otherwise horrible acts, because it was necessary.

    These were among the sacrifices made by those craftsmen/farmers/fathers/sons-turned warriors, and they undertook those sacrifices deliberately and, in many cases, with an understanding of what they were getting themselves into, what with Life existing rather closer to the raggedy-edge at other points in history than it necessarily does now (though I too carry marks on my own soul, that I accepted before taking them on)

    Backing it up on the real, physical battlefield is, sadly & not-infrequently, the result of committment to Fighting the Good Fight.

    If the point seems obscured by the violence for you… well, committing to the sacrifice of their own violence also meant following through with their own violence – and from my own experience I can say absolutely that, in the moment, surviving the violence means living/being the violence – I’m confident that there were times the point was obscured for them too.

    And that part of the story is worth remembering… and telling.

    – MD
    (steps down from the soapbox)

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    LC Guy S growls and barks:

    Lapast Catholic, but still a believer here. Only had boys, but at that young of an age, Gibson’s film (IMNO, your mileage may vary) although painting what appears to be as realistic a picture as possible of the events which took place, is far too graphic for any child. There is always going to be an exception proving the rule, but do you know for sure your children are “the exception”?

    For now, perhaps the Zeffirelli film, or even the old classic “King of Kings” would be a better choice, if nothing else they may allow for you to open a dialogue up with your Princess. Perhaps once she makes her Confirmation (do they still do that when they are in their mid-teens?) and is then considered “an adult” in the eyes of the church, would be a better time to view the Gibson film (along with a discussion afterwards) as it is and adult portrayal of the events.

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    Cricket growls and barks:

    I believe that we will all have the opportunity to see and feel the scars in His hands and feet, and know then, what His suffering was like, along with His love for us.

    There is another aspect to this Great Story, and that is Jesus was a physically strong man, as well as being the Son of God. He bled from every pore during His Intercessory Prayer in Gethsemane. The pain from that alone would either make a very strong man pass out or kill him. If that wasn’t enough, He goes on to be dragged all over Galilee to the Sanhedrin and the Romans, gets scourged, and crowned with some truly nasty thorns, and then forced to carry His cross. He tells one of His disciples to take His mother from the foot of the cross so that she will not see Him suffering and know that it is His will that He saves us not only from sin, but from death. If I might add another movie selection; Ben Hur, with Charleton Heston. The portrayal of Christ is peripheral, but a powerful character that changes all their lives. It is a long one, though.

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    Speaking as a fellow Roman Catholic, Crunchie, I would have them watch “Jesus of Nazareth” first, and then “The Passion of the Christ” when they’re older.

    My opinion is that children that young would be scared by this and maybe even be scared of our Lord Jesus and associate Him with a monstrous image. (Just stating how the 7 year old mind may think of it.)

    I’m sure you’ll do the right thing, you know your kids better than I do. :) But I sure would explain to them about the graphic depiction (and probably what really happened) of Christ on Good Friday.

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    Lady H growls and barks:

    And for me, Robert Powell represents “Jesus” to me as much as Charlton Heston represents Moses. :) It’s how I imagine what He looks like.

    Both actors were terrific in those films, btw.

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    Maybe I was five or six when I saw my first ‘possum get blasted off a fence.
    ‘Ever after, I felt heat from any gun barrel that swung my way.
    Whatever could be said about being too graphic or not, I can personally attest: it’s still imprinted, ‘done me good.

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    LC Jackboot IC/A growls and barks:

    My Brother Crunchie,

    I spent all day pondering this one. I had two answers since my kids are 180 degrees apart in personalities. If it was Serena, whom you certainly know pretty well, I would take her. But considering Lowell at that age, I wouldn’t. I know those darlings of yours, and am certain beyond a doubt that you and Bangie will do the right thing. I know you’re looking for a definitive answer, so I’ll throw in with the Boss. He nailed what I would say perfectly.

    Emperor Misha I says:

    don’t know. I wouldn’t show it to The Heirs. Not because it would harm them, because it would no more harm them than it would your princesses, but because I doubt that they’d get it. I’m worried that they’d be too focused on dealing with the frightening stuff to have time, right now, for internalizing the internal message. They’d get it in time, to be sure, but not right now.

    May G-d grant you the wisdom through thoughtful prayer, the answer you both seek, my Friend.

    -M

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    Draven32 growls and barks:

    I know some of the guys that worked on the VFX for Passion. They were quite shaken by working on it and a couple started back to going to church when they hadn’t gone in years. These are mature adults who have worked on everything from epic sci-fi pictures to horror movies and they were still moved by the work they did. Passion is a little much for seven-year-olds.

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    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Raised Catholic, two children grown up. Yes I remember my first communion and confirmation very well. I remember the first confession too – yikes!

    I’m just wondering, if she was sensitive enough to cry at the stations of the cross, then it seems she understands enough about the nature of the passion without seeing it. Enough for her age, maybe? I would go with too young for such a brutal film – I mistakenly thought my daughter at that age was old enough to see…yeah ok I can’t believe I’m saying this…Schindler’s List, so long as I was there and explaining things. Um, yeah I feel really dumb saying that now, but you have these smart amazing kids and you think they can do it – well, I mean I did. Fortunately she didn’t make it past the first shooting; cried her heart out for a long time and we didn’t broach that subject again for a long time. (Then again she cried almost as hard during Fried Green Tomatoes, and I’m not talking about the death scene but the one where Bates drops her groceries.) Anyway I would feel a lot worse now if she’d seen some of the worse things in the movie, or just more of it.

    I never censored the bible itself; I figured the news was unfit for children but the bible can’t be. A movie is somewhat different.

    Either way it’s up to you; but I could see that really breaking their hearts and scaring them. Have a wonderful Easter and First Communion no matter what you decide, all of you.

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    LC Xystus growls and barks:

    Jaybear:

    I understand what Mel Gibson was trying to do, trying to portray what our Savior suffered for our salvation, but like a lot of Gibson’s films….I feel he gets obsessed with the violence and the point of the film gets obscured by it.

    That meshes with one evaluation I’ve run across (can’t recall when/where) claiming that Gibson’s depiction would have killed JC too soon.

    The Emp:

    That movie, and the first time I ever performed The Messiah before an audience, are the two times that I truly, honestly, deep down in the very roots of my soul, felt G-d.

    Seems His Viciousness’s musical talent has been kept secret. Had no idea.

    Cricket:

    If I might add another movie selection; Ben Hur, with Charleton Heston. The portrayal of Christ is peripheral, but a powerful character that changes all their lives. It is a long one, though.

    With the attraction of a great soundtrack by Miklós Rózsa. Unfortunately General Wallace didn’t get all the history right when he wrote the novel….

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    This is why I love all you guys. Some excellent advice, and I have to say everything you’ve said meshes with what my priests said. I’ve been praying on it, and you are all 100% correct. The girls are too young for The Passion. But Lady H, and a few others, suggested the same thing my seminarian priest did, Jesus of Nazareth. And I was able to find a copy at Amazon and it’s being over-nighted as we speak.

    Thanks guys, you’re all incredible.

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    ZeektheCruel growls and barks:

    I went to see that when it came out and it is a very well done movie in my opinion. However, I would not let anyone under 16 or so see it. It is a brutal depiction of the suffering our Lord went through. I think little ones would be very shaken if not outright disturbed by it. Shit, most believing adults I’ve met have been a bit disturbed by it. So, while I don’t have children (Godfather to three but none of my own), I still wouldn’t do it until they are old enough to emotionally and mentally handle it.

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    SoCalOilMan, K.o.E. growls and barks:

    Late to the party again being you seem to have made your decision, but I’ll give you my thought on it.

    I agree with most here. A PG version of this would do fine at this time. The LC’s have given some great options that will give the message without the graphic violence. I’m not squeamish about gore, to the point that sometimes I worry about myself. I care about living things, but I deal with trauma by handling the situation in front of me. I saw The Passion of the Christ on DVD and if I watched again, it would be like watching it for the first time, because my mind has chosen to block out the details and just keep the passion of the trial depicted.

    I have met your sweet daughters (they were so nice and inclusive to a strange old man), and I would cherish a bit of naivete, in this case, of the cruelty we are capable of. They’re young still, you have another 7 to 10 years to explain how barbaric we can be.

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    Cricket growls and barks:

    @ LC Xystus:

    With regard to Ben-Hur, it is a tale of the Christ, and is historic fiction. IIRC, there is a disclaimer by Gen. Wallace to that effect.

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    Tallulah growls and barks:

    I’m so glad you’re going to watch Jesus of Nazareth with them! That aired on television in 1977, has terrific actors, and I agree with Lady H: Robert Powell, particularly with that luminous gaze, perfectly fits my idea of what the Master looked like.

    This thread got me to thinking about how Hollywood, when it was run by Jews who were mostly patriotic Republicans (yes, the studio heads were), turned out movies about the Bible that were moving, dramatic, and really made the Old and New Testaments live on the screen. And what glorious music.

    The Robe, The Ten Commandments, The Greatest Story Ever Told (labor of love by director George Stevens), Ben Hur, Jesus of Nazareth, King of Kings.

    Now? Nothing. Unless you count Scorsese’s film, which I admit I haven’t seen. The Last Temptation of Christ, that’s it. I didn’t want to see any movie that tried to whittle the Lord down to mere man-size. At least, that’s what I heard about it. Scorsese protested that he didn’t mean any irreverence, but I get the impression he doesn’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

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    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Excellent choice; Jesus of Nazareth is terrific. Hope you and your girls enjoy it, Crunchie – might want to take breaks between tapes; that one’s long!

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    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Tallulah, Last Temptation was pretty much disgustingly blasphemous, but beyond that it was a horrible movie. Jesus was a flat-out bad guy in that hideous monstrosity. If you’ve never seen it, be glad.

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    FrJim, Imperial Chaplain growls and barks:

    I know I’m late, but waiting a few years is the best option.

    Got three girls.

    Ordained Anglican priest.

    Blessed Holy Week!

    -Jim+
    :em04:

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    LC Anniee451 growls and barks:

    Hehe, FRJim knows. DO let us know how they like “Jesus of Nazareth” – I totally LOVE that movie!

    As Jeniffer Saunders (or is it Jennifer French?) says…Now there’s a man who really LOOKS like our lord! (hehe)

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    Cantab growls and barks:

    I would wait. Right now they take in the faith with the acceptance most children have with authority figures. At some point in their lives they will need spiritual strengthening, that will be a better time. If you feel confident enough I would wait until early college, when the world will be trying to batter down their faith.