Thought of the Day

In the vain hope that this won’t turn into a pissing match among kids wanting me to referee their personal grievances, which I have absolutely no interest in. I have quite enough of that with the Imperial Heirs, thank you very much, and at least they have the legitimate excuse of NOT being adults who ought to know better. One might even go as far as to say that they are, indeed, entitled to a bit of refereeing, seeing as how they’re pretty new to this being a human being thing and all and, as such, might reasonably expect their own father, who played a part in throwing them into this world, to help them out in such things.

In the whole Bundy affair, I hear a lot of “well it’s the law, so he’s in the wrong” etc. and so forth.

The argument has some merit. But then you have to consider when the law is moral and just as opposed to being immoral and unjust.

And should you just follow it regardless because “it’s the law?”

If that is your opinion, then you should probably brush up on your high school German, because it sounds so much better in that language. They have tradition behind them, after all.

As to myself, the only law I recognize, apart from G-d’s, is the Constitution. And if something is in violation of that, then it’s not law. It’s certainly not something that I have an obligation, morally or otherwise, to follow. I seem to recall having sworn an oath to that effect and, it may be due to my ancient roots in a culture where such things as honor, duty and oaths actually mean something, oaths can’t be revoked just because Befehl ist Befehl.

It seems to me that we fought a revolutionary war over stuff like that. Obviously that doesn’t matter anymore, because if the law says something now, then you’re automatically wrong if you don’t follow the orders set down by said law.

Which is interesting. Because you know, slavery was once very much the law. I suppose that those evil terrorist rabble rousers who thought that it wasn’t right for people to OWN other people had no legal leg to stand on, so fuck them. Because they were against The Law™. In Germany, and it’s sad that we have to keep bringing this up, it was once very much legal to cart Jews off to camps, so I suppose that the Germans who were against that really deserved all of the Gestapo raids they got as a result. Because fuck them. It may not be RIGHT to steal the Jews’ property and send them off to labor camps, but it was the LAW, so who were those assholes to oppose it?

Or take the slight misunderstanding of 1776. King George was doing nothing wrong. He was just trying to enforce The Law™, but those pesky colonialists, rather than resorting to peaceful means (that they also didn’t have because the deck was stacked very carefully against them too), insisted on not respecting The Law™.

The bastards! If only they’d been all hanged, every single one of the Founding Fathers, because they clearly had no right to do what they were doing.

In fact, all of you doctrinaire respecters of the Rule of Law™ owe Britain a big, huge apology and a “please will you forgive us and accept us as a colony again?”

In the unlikely event that you want to be consistent in your argument, that is.

I’m sure Her Royal Majesty will be amused, if a bit befuddled at your sudden request to be welcomed back into the fold again.

Hey, you might even get to enjoy cricket. With a bit of effort. OK, a lot of effort.

As to myself, “it’s The Law™” won’t ever be sufficient. I guess I’m too much of an extremist for that. It has to be moral and just as well and, for starters, it would be nice if we could at LEAST agree that it has to be CONSTITUTIONAL before we’ll even consider the legitimacy of it.

But obviously that has been bred out of this nation too.

Too bad. I thought we’d taught you better through our colossal fuckups “in the name of The Law™”. I guess I was wrong.

Thatisall.

19 comments

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    LCBrendan growls and barks:

    Misha: I dont know enough to comment…literally. But I do thank Almighty God for no shots fired and no one dead. No taking either side, but this could have blown up quite easily. Bundy will have a beef with the government, the government says it has a beef with him and used heavyhanded idiot tactics with the subtlety, tact and common sense of an unmanned 15000 tonne freight train at full speed…but for whatever reason, no one lit that fuse.

    And I am grateful.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    When it comes to “It’s the law!” consider that it is all but impossible not to commit multiple felonies through the day just going about your business. For instance, Tuesday was that wonderful time of the year when Uncle Obama Sam robs us blind asks us to pay our taxes. That tax code is impossible to comply with. I read something the other day that a ruling was passed down that is going to rape IRA holders. (Very technical dealing with rollovers)
    The people affected said they were just following what the IRS’s very own rules said. Judge said to bad, give them more money or else.
    Then you have all those agencies essentially taking on roles they were never supposed to do. The EPA comes to mind as well as the FCC and FDA, just to name a few letter agencies.
    The law is meant to protect everyone as much as possible. No one one has a problem making things like Rape, Robbery, Murder, etc. illegal. They do have problems when the laws start butting into their business. And then there are laws that are designed to benefit one group over another.

    There is this thing called the Fully Informed Jury Act and it’s hated by judges and prosecutors. As I understand it, (And I am NOT fully informed here), a jury can decide that yes the law may have been broken, but the law is bad and they wont’ convict. Snowden might be considered a possible case. He broke the law, but what he did showed much greater threats to the American people.

    As a former lawyer and retired colonel said elswhere, “He should stand trial. I have my doubts about a conviction.”
    :em06:
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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    This is one of those cases where I’m completely against the government actions, but I can’t seem to fully get behind Bundy. It could be nothing more than me not understanding the use of public land and what the BLM does verses what it should be doing.
    One thing I’m sure of, something stinks in Nevada and I hope that stink leads to a more extensive clean up. At the end of the day I’ll stand with the people even if I’m not completely comfortable with public grazing.

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    angrywebmaster growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan @ #:

    This is one of those cases where I’m completely against the government actions, but I can’t seem to fully get behind Bundy. It could be nothing more than me not understanding the use of public land and what the BLM does verses what it should be doing.

    There is a lot of behind the scenes things going on that we don’t know. I’ve seen reports that Mr. Bundy has been paying fees to the county/state, and has tried to pay the Feds, but was refused. I have no idea on the veracity of this.
    :em03:
    Then we have Harry Reid. Recent news reports on his “Chinese Connection” state that the plan he was pushing fell through last year and was meant to be over 100 miles from the Bundy Ranch. However, there was a picture of Reid at another “Green Energy” site breaking ground on a project 35 mile from that Ranch. The question coming out now is why Reid is jumping all over this and why did the BLM pull out so fast when Reid’s name came up?
    :em03:
    We may be in tinfoil hat country here, but who knows? There might actually be Y-rays being sent down from satellites.
    :em04:
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    dasbow growls and barks:

    It isn’t public land anymore, it’s the government’s land. Those aren’t the same thing anymore, and that’s a problem. Just another example of government always grabbing for power and control. It never eases up, People with power always want more power, and are willing and eager to use the power they already have to gain more. It’s our job, it’s OUR DUTY, to make sure they don’t get it. I hate to conflate the ghost of Pat Buchanan with LC Hempropeandstreetlights, but if it takes pitchforks and torches along with hemp rope and streetlights, then so be it.

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    Crustyrusty growls and barks:

    It doesn’t matter whether Bundy is right or wrong. The fact that a group of unarmed peaceful protesters who thought he was right were beaten, tased and herded into bullshit “first amendment areas” was enough to justify an armed response.

    People are sick and tired of federal bullshit.
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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    And that is exactly where. I’m at with all this Crusty. I’m backing the people, Bundy is an after thought at this point.

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    0007 growls and barks:

    There was a post on another blog by a rnother FORMER rancher from that area who did a really good job of explaining the how and what of signing up for the BLM range use. The short was that the signer gave up all of his rights to do anything in regards to the land he was asking to make use of. Much more complicated than that but after reading it I had a much better understanding as to why Bundy refused to pay the BLM.

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    LuckyLeo growls and barks:

    My viewpoint on this is the same as Misha’s

    Hell, Martin Luther King Jr, Rosa Parks and Mahatma Gandhi were are “criminals” in the eyes of the law — let alone the Founding Fathers.

    So Bundy is a criminal because he is in defiance of an unjust law? Okay.

    Then how about 85% percent of the Connecticut’s gun owners or how about the estimated 99.75% of FRIGGIN’ NEW YORK STATE gun owners?

    These people are in defiance of a unjust law as well. Hell, in New York State, gun-owning citizens are burning registration forms!

    Look at this people. Look at it right now because it is beautiful. It seems that people are “aimin’ to misbehave”! And that is AMERICA is all about!

    So the people who are denigrating Bundy as a “kook” or “scofflaw” sound very similar a very scared individual screaming in New York State:

    “They can make all the noise they want, but the law is the law,” said Leah Gunn Barrett, the group’s executive director. “The New York SAFE Act was passed by a bipartisan legislature, signed by Gov. Cuomo well over a year ago. It’s being implemented, and people are expected to comply with the law.”

    So what happened in Nevada is just the beginning, my fellow Rotties. Better get yourselves prepared. Things are going to change very soon and very quickly. People are fed up with fedgov, and “American Exceptionalism” is rearing its ugly head!

    This may make some very uncomfortable. So “your mileage may vary” on this one.

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    FrankOK growls and barks:

    Wouldn’t it be a kick in the ass if, assuming the stink hit the rotating airfoil, the USA was returned to its rightful owners using that cheap Russian ammo that can be found everywhere on the net?

    Oh, the IRONY …
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    LuckyLeo says:

    So what happened in Nevada is just the beginning, my fellow Rotties. Better get yourselves prepared. Things are going to change very soon and very quickly. People are fed up with fedgov, and “American Exceptionalism” is rearing its ugly head!

    This may make some very uncomfortable. So “your mileage may vary” on this one.

    maybe the oppressors will soil themselves in fright at the uprising against them and their “laws” and leave this country for good…….

    I do believe in miracles, I do, I do, I do…..

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    LuckyLeo growls and barks:

    maybe the oppressors will soil themselves in fright at the uprising against them and their “laws” and leave this country for good…….

    I do believe in miracles, I do, I do, I do….

    Stranger things have happened in history… :em01:

    Seriously though, there is a change coming. What’s happening in Connecticut, New York State and Nevada is showing that something is stirring. I would like to think that the “sleeping giant” is past stirring and beginning to do its morning stretches.

    Maybe really, really soon — that giant will fully awaken and realize that that its “tree of liberty” needs watering is desperate need of watering.

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    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan growls and barks:

    LuckyLeo says:

    Hell, Martin Luther King Jr, Rosa Parks and Mahatma Gandhi were are “criminals” in the eyes of the law — let alone the Founding Fathers.
    So Bundy is a criminal because he is in defiance of an unjust law? Okay.
    Then how about 85% percent of the Connecticut’s gun owners or how about the estimated 99.75% of FRIGGIN’ NEW YORK STATE gun owners?
    These people are in defiance of a unjust law as well. Hell, in New York State, gun-owning citizens are burning registration forms!

    I’m not necessarily disagreeing with ya. The truth is I’m not well enough versed in the industry, land use or agricultural contracts to make an informed opinion. Bundy may very well have a just and moral reason to be breaking this piece of law, then again he may just be parasite trying to get something for nothing. I don’t know, and until I have that knowledge I will not fight for him.

    The rights of peaceable protesters however are another thing entirely. I don’t think anyone with a brain could argue that Big Brother didn’t just step over the line, but took a running start and cleared it by a good bit. That is something I will fight for.

    LuckyLeo says:

    So what happened in Nevada is just the beginning, my fellow Rotties. Better get yourselves prepared. Things are going to change very soon and very quickly. People are fed up with fedgov, and “American Exceptionalism” is rearing its ugly head!
    This may make some very uncomfortable. So “your mileage may vary” on this one

    And that is the what gives me hope, that this small, perhaps temporary victory will snowball. People are not used to seeing the feds back down, and nothing encourages people like victory. I hope the next time, it’s double the number of people showing up with arms to say “No Mas”. Perhaps DC will get the hint.

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    LuckyLeo growls and barks:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    :
    I’m not necessarily disagreeing with ya. The truth is I’m not well enough versed in the industry, land use or agricultural contracts to make an informed opinion. Bundy may very well have a just and moral reason to be breaking this piece of law, then again he may just be parasite trying to get something for nothing. I don’t know, and until I have that knowledge I will not fight for him.

    And I can respect that. And let’s face it: Mr. Bundy legally does not have a leg to stand on per most experts. But that isn’t really the point here. What is the point is what you so most elegantly stated:

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    :
    The rights of peaceable protesters however are another thing entirely. I don’t think anyone with a brain could argue that Big Brother didn’t just step over the line, but took a running start and cleared it by a good bit. That is something I will fight for.

    And that is really the source of our outrage!

    You know, I think that he could have gotten his cattle taken by fedgov and most of us would not have even blinked. Hell, in Chicago, people get their cars booted and impounded if the driver has to many parking tickets — and no one gets in an uproar about it. (And for the record, I believe that is very, very wrong as well)

    However, the heavy-handedness of the BLM is what stirred up this hornets nest. First Amendment Zones? Sniper rifles, attack dogs and tasers for a bureaucratic agency against protesters? Are you fucking kidding me?? Seriously???

    That is nowhere near the same neighborhood of “okay”! Something is very wrong with our system.

    Slightly to the right of Gingis Khan says:

    :
    And that is the what gives me hope, that this small, perhaps temporary victory will snowball. People are not used to seeing the feds back down, and nothing encourages people like victory.

    So we have to let EVERYONE know about this. Because this as of yet, has not been widely reported on. Hell, many people I know who keep up with the “news” had heard NOTHING about this — until I told them.

    The more people hear about this and what is happening in New York and Connecticut (which is also extremely under-reported) , the more other decent Americans will become outraged.

    And then maybe they too will have hope that we can save this great nation from the excesses of big government.

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    single stack growls and barks:

    I have never in my life done, or not done, anything out of respect for the law, as I have no respect for the law; I never have.
    I do, or not do, what I do because it’s the right thing to do. Law has nothing to do with it.
    I sometimes do, or don’t do, things because of the law and I’m unwilling to suffer the consequences if I get caught. As much as possible I live my life while ignoring its diktats.
    The oligarchy (kakistocracy actually) that has destroyed our Republic and now rules us with an iron fist in a velvet glove that becomes more threadbare by the day is a powerful, parasitical, criminal syndicate, possibly the most powerful criminal enterprise that has ever existed. It’s destruction is a moral imperative.
    That is the core of my beliefs about law and government. Make of it what you will.
    And I support Bundy. I don’t care what his motivation is.
    Resist. By any means necessary.

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    LC R6 growls and barks:

    I was hoping for an embarrassment of fedgovco in the Nevada standoff, but didn’t really expect an all out firefight……yet.

    But after hearing harry “can’t die fast enough and hideously enough of some horrible cancer” screed today, I’m hoping a firefight is exactly what that motherfucker gets in his own backyard.

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    bruce growls and barks:

    how come the blm,an international agency gets to carry guns and forces us to do anything in america.the judges ruling on this are corrupt and getting paid off.i have seen judges make up the law in order to aid a favored client.we can no longer trust any branch of our government.you should have food, guns and ammo if you have a shot gun buy flechettes as they will go through a vest so will any of the magnums .338 or .300 with a tungsten rod in the nose.these guns shoot big bullets at 3000 fps and can harm a helicopter.

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    nealinnevada growls and barks:

    The land of Nevada SHOULD belong to the counties of Nevada…but no federal politician will fight for this. None. It makes no difference if an R or D is after their name, they are equally useless when it comes to this issue. Why? The votes lie in the urban areas and to these folks their consumables come from “stores”. Not from farms, not from forests, not from the range. To these voting fools, as long as the products are available at the store who cares where it comes from, be it Chile, Canada, or China. This is a war against rural America, just as the timber wars in California were a war against rural people. Just as the water war in California is a war against rural Americans. We don’t have the votes and we don’t have the land…rural America is dying and it is a stain on our nation.


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