On the Nevada situation

My apologies for my absence this past few weeks folks – not that I imagine anyone noticed. Mheh.

In short, I’m dealing with a terminally ill father – contract woes with the USG, and the never ending shit storm that seems to be part and parcel of my career, so I’ve been rather distracted and extremely busy of late. Oh Yeah….Because I’m a absolute glutton for punishment, I also kicked off another car restoration project, so I’m a busy little beaver these days…. You can read about it over on my blog, I wont clog the AIR up with my personal stuff….Anyhow enough of my whining.

Misha and the Rottie “HempRope” have pointed out the situation out there in Nevada – the Bureau of Land Management and a cattle rancher at odds – and things are getting tense. This video was recorded recently, I got it via a link on FaceCrack. It”s about 11 minutes, but take the time to watch it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA[/youtube]

 

Supposedly, “Militia” groups are heading to Nevada to support the rancher. So it’s most likely now going to escalate. How far is anyone’s guess. But this could get very ugly, very fast.

How long before the Federal Government ramps up it’s own response to these so called “militias”  and the FBI ATF and DHS show up in their full SWAT tactical gear with the armored vehicles to match…it’s all the range in D.C. these days, don’t ya know? Then what? Some fool pulls a trigger and this whole thing goes ‘hot’?

The video above,  shows how people have already clashed with the Feds from BLM – several protestors in support of the Rancher have gotten themselves hit with tazers, one woman, she is 57 years old – was thrown to the ground – another had a K9 dog – or it’s claimed to have had – set on her, (I don’t see it in the above video) when she refused to back down from the BLM agents.

Frankly,  this Nevada situation is ugly, and what makes it even more so – this isn’t “Waco”, This isn’t “Ruby Ridge”. The USG is pushing a bad case, based on a turtle and land that isn’t worth much more than to let those cows much to their hearts content no less.

Let me explain that last statement. I’ve seen a lot of comments and whatnot on this Nevada situation, and the ideas some seem to have that this is a another “Ruby Ridge” or “Waco” situation. Nothing could be further from the truth if you ask me.

The BLM folks are in a totally different situation here. That being, the USG claims in both Waco, and Ruby Ridge were that the suspects had crossed various “government mandates and laws” –  in those cases – there was a “cult”, “immoral and subversive activities”, “weapons violations”, etc etc. Those are all the reasoning needed (whether we agree with said laws or not)  for the Federal Government to act and bring the full weight of their Enforcement Arms against the accused.

They (The US Government) don’t have this same background to act on  in this situation, this is a family of  ranchers that have worked this land for decades and suddenly the USG via some mandate  is telling them they can’t, or they have to pay extortionate fees to work it now – hard working otherwise “normal Americans” – this is  not a “cult”, and not a so called “subversive”, and the USG looks like pretty much what they are, a bunch of bumbling idiots with nothing more than a lot of firepower at their fingertips. There’s no win here for them. None.

As I see it? The USG is going to loose that war of ideas, no matter how much the MSM tries to spin it in the government’s favor, and I don’t think the court of public opinion is going to look favorably on the USG in this case.

Let’s hope that someone in the bowels of D.C. has a bit of common sense and chooses to take a look at this in an objective manner and use some common sense here to defuse this. Because if they don’t, there’s a powder keg out there in Nevada and the fuse is getting pretty short.

Update 1 **

Below is a letter from Bundy’s daughter – I pulled this from a post on FB, so trust but verify is in effect, it is a letter that attempts to explain the families side of this situation.

“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it is in a nut shell.

My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money’s against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down.

So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise.

Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now their desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying,” how sad, but what does this have to do with me?” Well, I’ll tell you. They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again. Next, it’s Utah’s turn. Mark my words, Utah is next. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Auction and sell them. All with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

Shiree Bundy Cox

 Update 2 **

The Oath Keepers have taken up the cause for the Bundy’s and O-K  members are en-route to the ranch, They  are asking for donations to help with food and water at the Bundy Ranch LINK to donation

FYI – I am not a member of Oath Keepers so I am not peddling for them – although I did send out what I could to support them.

Update 3 ** 

Here is yet another angle on this situation and why the BLM is acting so aggressively – again, trust but verify….

“It is not about turtles it is about water. There are developers working for military contractors that want that land and water for mining weapons grade minerals for industry… they want to sell the land by the highway for real estate development because it’s close to I-15 and the Bundy’s have been refusing to sell what they actually own directly for over 20 years. Many buyers sent me out there with crazy offers for that land for many years. It is prime real estate not worthless desert. There is a natural gas pipeline going through there and lots of water under ground too. Somebody connected to a military corporation is using political power and the BLM to muscle those people out.”

Source

Update 4 **

Nothing happens in NV without Harry Reid’s fingerprint on it – or so it seems. Reuters reported back as far as August 2012 that Reid and his oldest son Rory, a lawyer with NV’s largest law firm were trying to work a 5 billion dollar deal with the Chicoms to use the land for a solar farm and factory.

 

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Tallulah
Tallulah

Glenn Beck has a lot about this on The Blaze. Special feature: Agents from the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service closed the Gold Butte area in Clark County, Nev., last week to remove 67-year-old rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle from land controlled by the federal government, but put in place “First Amendment zones” for protesters to gather. ‘Scuse… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

I think there will be a “Shots fired” situation down there. I also suspect it won’t be at the Bundy family, but at the protestors. Some idiot will either sic a dog on some protestors or fire a taser and someone will pull a gun and fire back. When that happens, it will be “Game On” and the only way… Read more »

LC Roguetek
LC Roguetek

Bundy’s family has been working that land since 1870 I think. So ‘almost a century and a half’. What’s ironic, is under any other circumstances, ‘adversarial posession’ would apply.

Best case scenario here is either .gov gets a peaceful arrest (complete BS but beats worst case) or they realize they are in a situation that could spin out of control rapidly and back off. Worst case is someone turns it into a two way firing range and, if past is prolog, that person would most likely be one of… Read more »

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

Over at WRSA there is the claim that it’s really about Filthy Harry’s son in a deal with a Chinese company to build a large solar panel plant and generating facility. They source from Infowars so it’s not completely reliable.

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

VonZorch Imperial Researcher @ #: Over at WRSA there is the claim that it’s really about Filthy Harry’s son in a deal with a Chinese company to build a large solar panel plant and generating facility. They source from Infowars so it’s not completely reliable. I saw that’ It’s also on Drudge, although why he has been linking to Infowars… Read more »

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

A large part of the problem stems from the typical pattern of Federal agency involvement. When things get a little too intense for the local office to manage, the Feds pull in agents from other areas. These people have no investment in maintaining a good relationship with the community and there’s no incentive to avoid being heavy-handed. The attitude is… Read more »

Azygos
Azygos

LC Moriarty

I think you have something there. Engage all the local business to stop selling anything to any federal agency. No gas, food, no car repair. The AC unit at the home you live in breaks, sorry we’re to busy to fix it. Identify the feds local and “Pro’s from Dover” and shut them out of the community.

Gov declared the are a no-fly zone a couple of hours ago.
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html

LCBren
LCBren

Gov declared the are a no-fly zone a couple of hours ago.

Look again. Restricted by altitude, yes but not a no fly zone. low flight not permitted, anything over 4000 feet is fine.

From the surface up to and including 3000 feet AGL

LCBrendan @ #:11
Thank you for the clarification, and, it does not relieve my concerns that it leaves media coverage out but just as important would be medical evacuations would be impossible, or, am I incorrect on this and medical people could get thru?

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

LadyRaven @ #10: Not surprising. Can’t have anyone flying over taking pictures of cattle being killed and buried. Of course, there are plenty of people who have RC planes with cameras… The protestors aren’t being too smart about this. They haven’t read their history. Gandhi, for whatever his personal flaws, had the right idea: Lie down in the middle of… Read more »

Medical people could get through because they’d be called in by the feds but it prevents news crews from watching by helicopter and depending upon the perimeter they have set up it could prevent the media from seeing anything that goes on at that residence. That could be really bad because there would be no outside proof of anything that… Read more »

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd @ #:13
Great idea. Oh that they would!

Tallulah
Tallulah

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was some Big Dog who wanted water or mineral rights, using the Goobermint as their janissaries. Example: In New York City, Pinko Mayor Bill de Blah-zero announced, with pearl-clutching and anguished sympathy, that he thought it was DREADFUL that the horses have to pull CARRIAGES in CENTRAL PARK. Cruelty to animals!!!! [actually,… Read more »

Tallulah
Tallulah

Moriarty, that’s an EXCELLENT idea: use Gandhi’s tactics.

The PR hit for the Goobermint would be bad.

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

While attention is focused there, it might be a good time for those who wanted to carry out something else to act. (No, I don’t know what & haven’t got a plan.) :em03:

LC Xystus @ #:18
Unfortunately LC Xystus – it is probably going to be more gov doing something else while our attention is focused on Nevada i.e.
http://www.pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/04/dod-has-deployed-ebola-detection-kits.html

And this was just posted –
Aerial photos of restricted BLM Compound #BundyRanch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOjheKG1eOA

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

Tallulah @ #: I’d hasten to add that nonviolent “passive resistance” only works when you have a government that can be shamed into (or out of) something. It worked against the British in India because they were conscious of world opinion. As one commentator put it, had Gandhi tried it against the Japanese or Germans in WW2 (as he advocated… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

Thank you for the clarification, and, it does not relieve my concerns that it leaves media coverage out but just as important would be medical evacuations would be impossible, or, am I incorrect on this and medical people could get thru? No Medevac units would be permitted into a block airspace at any time. The FAA agreed to the AGL… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

angrywebmaster says:

Breaking news. BLM is pulling out.

angrywebmaster recently posted..The Bundy’s verses the BLM

score one for the patriots…..the feds sent in their third string to start the game. Now my guess is that they’ll send in the varsity, watch for the IRS to take charge of this.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

for some reason, the song The Ostrich by Steppenwolf just stuck in my head this morning….especially this verse You’re free to speak your mind my friend As long as you agree with me Don’t criticize the fatherland Or those who shape your destiny ‘Cause if you do You’ll lose your job, your mind and all the friends you knew We’ll… Read more »

Azygos
Azygos

Or the EPA will find The slack jawed, blotchy faced, blurry eyed, pederasty has precedence over any human that wants to live on the property. So they will remove Bundy and his family one way or another.

JonB
JonB

angrywebmaster says:

Breaking news. BLM is pulling out.

angrywebmaster recently posted..The Bundy’s verses the BLM

I don’t buy this “pull out” for one second.

The government didn’t get what they wanted.

This is far from over. They are just looking to do things quietly and out of the eye of the angry public

LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd
LC Moriarty, Imperial Goatherd

JonB @ #:

I agree.

They’ll be back, all right.

Next time at 4 am with a SWAT team, or they’ll just grab him when he goes to town to buy groceries.

Probably not for some months, but they will be back.

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

Then those who are up for opposition there should lay their own contingency plans.

It ain’t over till Mr. Bundy sings! I love this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkImbHI28U

Terrapod
Terrapod

Looks like the Feds have backed off. If this is a true quit and depart, then it is the first smart thing that this Admin has done since 2008. Not that the news on Harry Reid being in bed with the Chicoms or that he is trying to force a land grab for his family in NEvada has anything to… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Personally, I think they began to understand that this could end up as a reverse Waco with the BLM playing the part of the Branch Davidians.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

LadyRaven says: It ain’t over till Mr. Bundy sings! I love this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkImbHI28U LadyRaven recently posted..The Battle for Bundy Ridge – NOT over – Bundy does not recognize the BLM Bundy needs to play this smarter, not make demands like that on the sheriff. He has a lot of attention on him right now, and a sympathetic public behind him….if… Read more »

Idahomillenial
Idahomillenial

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Here is a picture of the standoff.

LCBren
LCBren

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!

1. I am overjoyed Bundy won
2. I am even happier that not ONE SHOT was fired and everyone walks away alive
3. Jaybear is right, he needs to stand down and let this happen on its own.

He won. That should be how this ends.

As for SWAT: No, I dont see it happening.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

LC IB CiSSnarl5.7 Imperial Foreign War Correspondent says: In fact I am surprised that wasn’t the first move they made, but decided to stage what could only be a public relations SNAFU and take a bunch of his cows. yeah, that’s the thing that has me confused about this whole clusterf***. If it was primarily a tax issue then what’s… Read more »

LC Xystus
LC Xystus

Started thinking today about using cheap little remote-control drones against helicopters. :em03: That’s all I’m gonna say.

Azygos
Azygos

The Saga of Bundy Ranch After reading about his for 3 plus days I am of the opinion that Mr Bundy and his family are wrong and have placed others lives in danger. He could have avoided much of this IF he had rounded up his cows and moved them either back to his property or previous grazing grounds. The… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Library Czar @ #: As far as I can tell the land does belong to the Federal Government. We may not like it but that appears to be the case. The land was ceded to the Federal Government in 1848 when the Mexicans and the USA signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. If you are a Texan or live in… Read more »

FrankOK
FrankOK

@LC IB CiSSnarl:

We’ve all been so busy detailing our disgust that your situation seems to have been forgotten – I won’t. Dealing with a parent’s imminent death isn’t easy. I did so myself last November, just 10 days before her 103rd birthday.

Prayers downrange, sir.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

FrankOK says: @LC IB CiSSnarl: We’ve all been so busy detailing our disgust that your situation seems to have been forgotten – I won’t. Dealing with a parent’s imminent death isn’t easy. I did so myself last November, just 10 days before her 103rd birthday. Prayers downrange, sir. FrankOK recently posted..A win? We shall see prayers outbound here as well… Read more »

Idahomillenial
Idahomillenial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jer1YidkfPY

This doesn’t look like a government retreat. This looks like reinforcements. Keep your eyes on Nevada.

Idahomillenial @ #:45
This version of the same video says it was taken on Saturday afternoon. I am assuming, and praying, that they were just late for the party and probably turned around and went home shortly after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOusCjvlTc
Did not like this piece someone sent me an hour ago.
50 Black Vehicles Reported In Route to Bundy Ranch:http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=880

LCBren
LCBren

50 Black Vehicles Reported In Route to Bundy Ranch:http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=880

This guy Quayle makes Alex Jones look SANE.

FrankOK
FrankOK

Item one: Still waiting for Reid to make an explanation re: his boy’s dealings with the ChiComs – a denial would be in the finest tradition of politicians from both parties. Damn, those crickets are loud! Item two: A white supremist shoots up a Jewish Center, almost on cue, after the feds realize their BLM bastards may have gotten their… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

YO! HEMP! Sound off with a AAR when you get the chance. Please. “The Federal Government Owns it”……….And just who is the Federal Govt? Why do the Feds “own” large parcels of land? Seems to me its the States that should own the land. Shouldn’t ownership of the land gone to the “State” upon being recognized as such by the… Read more »

LCBrendan @ #:47
Duly noted and I heard Mr. Bundy on Glen Beck this morning so that was a relief.

bruce
bruce

i had heard that harry and rotten son were trying to steal some ones land,i guess it was true.but for the chicoms? harry has always been a commie traitor.bundy should move his cows back to his own land.

LCBren
LCBren

@Raven: Quayle, aliens, secret underground bunkers, conspiracies..oh FFS…. :em02:

VonZorch Imperial Researcher
VonZorch Imperial Researcher

Idahomillenial says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jer1YidkfPY
This doesn’t look like a government retreat. This looks like reinforcements. Keep your eyes on Nevada.

Those are Las Vegas PD vehicles. Looks like the feds are handing off to the locals for appearances sake.
TWAT raid on the Bundy’s soon.

JonB
JonB

What bugs me is that there were so many other roads the feds could have taken to resolve the problems they percieve with this rancher.

This stinks more of a test to me. A test to see how many patriots would show up to aid someone, and how well armed and organized they were when they did so.

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

JonB says: What bugs me is that there were so many other roads the feds could have taken to resolve the problems they percieve with this rancher. This stinks more of a test to me. A test to see how many patriots would show up to aid someone, and how well armed and organized they were when they did so.… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #: So, if this is a test, what results were they looking for? If it was to see how many showed up, then they probably got a bit of a shock. I also suspect they found out that they were out gunned as well. BLM: M-16’s, M4’s, shotguns, submachine guns and a few… Read more »

LC TerribleTroy
LC TerribleTroy

@ Jon & Jay. I dont think they planned this as a test. I think they got caught with their pants down in regards to the patriots response. I was shocked to see Oathkeepers put the call out. So I dont think this was a test by any design. Certainly we all agree that both sides are busy as little… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

LC TerribleTroy @ #: Problem is, they dont have the resources to afford the trip. Short story long, they will develop “crowd-sourced” (for lack of a better descriptor) response “teams.” Sounds like we need to start a Kickstarter project. I also think that the patriot response factor will snowball in future events….kinda the human condition….once a bunch of people see… Read more »

FrankOK
FrankOK

I found this and it’s so far out it wouldn’t surprise me – has anyone heard about this? • Joseph Matteo • FollowFollowing • Top Commenter • IATSE LOCAL 244 essex county N.J. at IATSE Bureau of Land Management(BLM) is actually a sub-corporation of UNITED STATES INCORPORATED, a private foreign owned off-shore corporation since its last incorporation in 1925, copyrighted,… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

angrywebmaster says: So, if this is a test, what results were they looking for? If it was to see how many showed up, then they probably got a bit of a shock. I also suspect they found out that they were out gunned as well. I suspect they were gathering names, faces, and weapons, and license plates…..CisSnarl put it this… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

also, what better way to marginalize the militia patriots than by getting them to deploy to remote out of the way, desolate places like the Nevada highlands or Utah badlands? Cause an incident, wait for them to show up. close them off from leaving. Do it in a few places simultaneously, you scatter them, and you isolate them. Classic battle… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

I don’t doubt the drones, but if the Feds start going after some of the people there, what’s to stop other people from “Making examples” of some of the Feds? That would be a “Game On!” situation. Ammunition? I have no idea how much was brought in by people. Helicopters? These are NOT Apache gun ships. They are a loose… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

angrywebmaster says: And of course, Dingy Harry Reid had to put his foot in it again with a “This isn’t over!” remark. Has he considered what might happen if the FBI snuck back in and the Bundy’s got killed? I would say, among other things, Reid would be killed, along with any security detail he had. I get the feeling… Read more »

LCBren
LCBren

• Joseph Matteo • FollowFollowing • Top Commenter • IATSE LOCAL 244 essex county N.J. at IATSE Bureau of Land Management(BLM) is actually a sub-corporation of UNITED STATES INCORPORATED, a private foreign owned off-shore corporation since its last incorporation in 1925, copyrighted, trademarked and registered in Puerto Rico).Under the Reorganization Act of Washington District of Columbia, by it’s own private… Read more »

FrankOK
FrankOK

LCBrendan says: These idiots are the same kind of fuckwits that uise this garbage to try and dodge debts etc. “I am a sovereign man who does not recognise your authority as you are owned by international banksters..” yeah didnt stop you from sp[ending the mioney, did it you deadbeat? ..can we PLEASE stop using the lunatic fringe in these… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

JonB says: This stinks more of a test to me. A test to see how many patriots would show up to aid someone, and how well armed and organized they were when they did so. If so, and it looks that way, I approve of the answer they got. And apparently they got the message too: There’s a whole lot… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

LC TerribleTroy says: I also think that the patriot response factor will snowball in future events….kinda the human condition….once a bunch of people see something can be done, they have a tendency to join, mimic, and improve. And this too. That is how it always starts with a preference cascade. Everybody’s holding back because they think they’re the only one,… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

FrankOK says: Pardon me, douchebag – I’ll not sully your personal website with further questions. Hey, it’s my website and you can ask all the damn questions you like! 😀 I think poor Brendan is just getting an allergic reaction to the Alex Joneses of the world and, quite frankly, so am I. Actually, I scratched his little nutjob sender… Read more »

FrankOK
FrankOK

Emperor Misha I says: FrankOK says: Pardon me, douchebag – I’ll not sully your personal website with further questions. Hey, it’s my website and you can ask all the damn questions you like! I think poor Brendan is just getting an allergic reaction to the Alex Joneses of the world and, quite frankly, so am I. Actually, I scratched his… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

FrankOK says:

Ah, yes Sire – I recognize it’s your website – didn’t turn off the sarcasm [/sarcasm].

I know. No harm, no foul. Beautiful snark, though :em05:

bruce
bruce

this crap is no different than the illegal gun laws that the commie legislature have passed.i don’t obey any of them because i buy from private parties.

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

bruce @ #: this crap is no different than the illegal gun laws that the commie legislature have passed.i don’t obey any of them because i buy from private parties. And speaking of purchases, I’m on another forum and a gentleman gambler has asked what would be the proper pistol for concealed carry into a casino. He’s former military and… Read more »

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery

angrywebmaster says: bruce @ #: this crap is no different than the illegal gun laws that the commie legislature have passed.i don’t obey any of them because i buy from private parties. And speaking of purchases, I’m on another forum and a gentleman gambler has asked what would be the proper pistol for concealed carry into a casino. He’s former… Read more »

Emperor Misha I
Emperor Misha I

angrywebmaster says: The forum in question eats gun grabbers for breakfast so he won’t get jumped on for that. he will get a number of answers and I thought I would go further afield. Ah, preferences. I’ll start by saying “whatever he thinks is fun shooting” and “whatever will meet his concealment needs.” Caliber is just a number. A .22… Read more »

http://oathkeepers.org website down – they need help – Stewart Rhodes – “We are calling on all Oath Keepers who can possibly get here to come to the Bundy Ranch to serve as volunteers on an ongoing, rotating watch. That is not because there is any great emergency, but is a preventative measure – sort of like doing a rotation on… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

LadyRaven @ #:

http://oathkeepers.org website down – they need help –

I just checked and it’s up.
:em01:
It may have been down under maintenance or simply overloaded.
:em03:
I wasn’t aware they now had associate memberships for those who weren’t in the military or other services. Time to check my finances.
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angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Emperor Misha I @ #: Ah, preferences. I’ll start by saying “whatever he thinks is fun shooting” and “whatever will meet his concealment needs.” Caliber is just a number. A .22 on target is better than half a dozen .45s in the wall. From his remarks concealment is the primary issue then stopping power. He’s an old .45 hand so… Read more »

angrywebmaster
angrywebmaster

Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery @ #:

what’s the forum? I’d be interested in seeing what they say

Kratskeller on Baen’s Bar. (bar.bean.com)

angrywebmaster @ #:77
Good it’s up, I haven’t checked in several hours.
They are asking for funds to help with travel etc.
I will be donating.
If someone here wants to start a quick fund raise for anyone here who can go I’ll put it here.