Schmuck?

…as if anybody ever for a second believed that $chtupak’s “Executive Order Concession” was anything but a cover for the now most famous male prostitute in Congress, here’s the confirmation:

President Obama signed the Senate health care bill into law Tuesday. He did not sign the executive order on abortion negotiated with Michigan Democratic Congressman Bart Stupak in an 11th-hour arrangement that may well have saved the entire health care reform effort.

A White House official told Fox, Obama will not sign the Executive Order Tuesday and has set no specific date to do so. Stupak predicted Obama would sign the order later this week. The White House said only that Obama would sign the order “soon.”

…as in “the twelfth of never.” Not that it matters. Ogabe, no matter what the fawning, cock-sucking press tries to convince him, isn’t capable of changing existing law by executive order. Everybody with half a brain knew that, which obviously excludes every schmuck who ever voted for Baby-Killer $tupak.

Such a cheap whore but, then again, that says a whole lot more about the clowns who voted for him than it does about him.

Not that Petukh $tupak is about to let the facts of life interrupt his masturbatory delusions of adequacy:

Stupak released a statement today defending the as-yet-unsigned executive order, placing it on a list of other significant orders that included Abraham Lincoln’s 1863 Emancipation Proclamation and Harry Truman’s 1948 order desegregating the U.S. armed forces.

The main difference being that both of those were actually, you know, signed by the president as opposed to just being waved around as cheap cover for the president’s latest man-bitch.

Wipe your chin, Bart. Those strings of spooge running out of the corners of your pie hole are quite unseemly.

“Just a gigolo, just a gigolo…”

Pity you weren’t terminated as a result of federally funded abortion.

That would have made it almost worth it, seeing as how the best part of you ran down your syphilitic sow mama’s legs.

Thatisall.

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    Lady H bloviates:

    He’ll have egg all over his face.

    Color me not surprised. At all.

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    Oh, and did you hear? Stupak Stupid is now petulantly whining about how hurt his widdle feewings are because Neugebauer called him a “baby killer,” and he’s demanding a full apology to Congress.

    ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME? I’m blogging on this later, but here’s what I’m going to say.

    I’m SICK. AND. TIRED. of festering ass sores in Washington playing fast and loose with this nation’s laws, violating every principle of decency, honor, freedom and integrity, and then whining about decorum when called on it by their fellow legislators.

    I don’t know what Neugebauer’s intent was. I don’t know whether he really meant the bill was a “baby killer” or Stupid was. I don’t know, and I don’t care. Abortion is already legal in this country, so the insult hurled at neither the bill nor Stupid was new or different. But that’s irrelevant to me.

    What I DO give a damn about is the petulant, self-righteous pouting perpetuated by someone who literally betrayed every principle he claimed to hold, betrayed America, betrayed those he was elected to represent and betrayed his duty to support the Constitution about how he’s all insulted and wants a public apology!

    Fuck you, Stupak!

    You sold your country and your duty out for a couple of airports and a vague promise about abortion funding, and now you’re demanding a public apology when called out on your treachery?

    Whatever.

    He’d BETTER NOT apologize!!!

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    L.C. Mope, Imperial Homeless Person bloviates:

    It gets better, Sire.

    WASHINGTON – The No. 2 Senate Democrat [Durbin] accused Republicans Wednesday of refusing to accept the finality of health care changes, a day after President Barack Obama signed the most sweeping medical system remake since Medicare.

    Not only have they not issued the executive order, but the Senate hasn’t seen the ‘fix’ bill yet. It ain’t final until after November.

    Time to buy a new rope.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Do you think that maybe Obama might want to take a few minutes and write the executive order, then maybe pass it along to the lawyers to check it out? You know, maybe get a few legal opinions on it first?

    Wipe your chin, Bart. Those strings of spooge running out of the corners of your pie hole are quite unseemly.

    What is unseemly is vilifying a man who will have managed to secure an executive order preventing federal dollars going to fund abortions — which is something nobody else has done to this date. The fact that Obama has yet to sign such an order isn’t a reason to be piling up on Stupak.

    Executive orders aren’t something you just churn out like jotting down a grocery list. Since each has the effect of law, they must be written in such a way that they don’t create unintended consequences or conflicts with other laws.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Do you think that maybe Obama might want to take a few minutes and write the executive order, then maybe pass it along to the lawyers to check it out? You know, maybe get a few legal opinions on it first?
    Wipe your chin, Bart. Those strings of spooge running out of the corners of your pie hole are quite unseemly.
    What is unseemly is vilifying a man who will have managed to secure an executive order preventing federal dollars going to fund abortions — which is something nobody else has done to this date. The fact that Obama has yet to sign such an order isn’t a reason to be piling up on Stupak.
    Executive orders aren’t something you just churn out like jotting down a grocery list. Since each has the effect of law, they must be written in such a way that they don’t create unintended consequences or conflicts with other laws.

    If it wasn’t for this monstrosity of a bill, there wouldn’t have to be any worries about federal dollars going to abortions in the first place!

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    Emperor Misha I bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Executive orders aren’t something you just churn out like jotting down a grocery list. Since each has the effect of law, they must be written in such a way that they don’t create unintended consequences or conflicts with other laws.

    Except if the EO in question does not “conflict with other laws”, then there’s precious little point in having it in the first place. So yes, it’ll be crafted ever so cleverly to avoid doing exactly what it is that man-whore Stupak is braying and bragging about having “achieved.”

    Besides, even if it were worth something, it’s still an EO. As easily “unsigned” as it is signed, and all but the most desperately ignorant among us already know a thing or two about the expiration dates on Ogabe’s “promises.”

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    What I DO give a damn about is the petulant, self-righteous pouting perpetuated by someone who literally betrayed every principle he claimed to hold, betrayed America, betrayed those he was elected to represent and betrayed his duty to support the Constitution about how he’s all insulted and wants a public apology!

    So let me ask you this, Nikki, let’s assume that everyone caved and gave Stupak the wording he was looking for in the fixer bill. (because you can’t change the Senate version unless you “deem it passed” — and they didn’t.) Would you still be saying he “betrayed every principle he claimed to hold” even after getting his wording included in the fixer to prevent federal dollars from being used in abortions?

    Because here is the deal, he will have essentially gotten what he was asking for in an executive order, meaning that any other bills that arise out of Congress dealing with health care or anything else with the possibility of federal dollars going to abortion would be covered by this executive order. This is more than anyone else has accomplished.

    The point is, calling Stupak a “Baby Killer” by Neugebauer was unnecessary and frankly pretty damn hateful. Neugebauer does owe Stupak a public apology for calling him that because it was way out of line, and really doesn’t have a thing to do with how Stupak voted on the Health Care Reform Bill.

    Yell at Stupak for that, if you must. Call him names for that. But referring to him as a “baby killer” after coming up with an even stronger solution to prevent federally-funded abortions is wrong.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    Except if the EO in question does not “conflict with other laws”

    You know what I mean, Misha. The point here is that EOs aren’t jotted down on cocktail napkins. They are written, reviewed, re-written, and reviewed again. A misplaced punctuation mark can change everything.

    The process takes a little time. “Soon” could mean a few days, or a few weeks. But it will happen, because the president is going to need Stupak’s vote on other things in the future, and if it is seen that he stiffed Stupak, then he won’t be able to secure other deals with other members of Congress.

    And yes, presidents and Congresscritters make deals all of the time. Every single one of them.

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    Besides, even if it were worth something, it’s still an EO. As easily “unsigned” as it is signed, and all but the most desperately ignorant among us already know a thing or two about the expiration dates on Ogabe’s “promises.”

    Are you saying that legislation can’t be changed? Sure, a president could write another Executive Order that supersedes the previous one, I just don’t see THIS one doing it. Besides, the EO is already a redundant action anyways, since the Hyde Amendment is still in force.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:
    What I DO give a damn about is the petulant, self-righteous pouting perpetuated by someone who literally betrayed every principle he claimed to hold, betrayed America, betrayed those he was elected to represent and betrayed his duty to support the Constitution about how he’s all insulted and wants a public apology!
    So let me ask you this, Nikki, let’s assume that everyone caved and gave Stupak the wording he was looking for in the fixer bill. (because you can’t change the Senate version unless you “deem it passed” — and they didn’t.) Would you still be saying he “betrayed every principle he claimed to hold” even after getting his wording included in the fixer to prevent federal dollars from being used in abortions?
    Because here is the deal, he will have essentially gotten what he was asking for in an executive order, meaning that any other bills that arise out of Congress dealing with health care or anything else with the possibility of federal dollars going to abortion would be covered by this executive order. This is more than anyone else has accomplished.
    The point is, calling Stupak a “Baby Killer” by Neugebauer was unnecessary and frankly pretty damn hateful. Neugebauer does owe Stupak a public apology for calling him that because it was way out of line, and really doesn’t have a thing to do with how Stupak voted on the Health Care Reform Bill.
    Yell at Stupak for that, if you must. Call him names for that. But referring to him as a “baby killer” after coming up with an even stronger solution to prevent federally-funded abortions is wrong.

    Aside from the fact that he and his pals took a gargantuan dump on Americans who put them in office? If he got the wording in the bill that would specifically prevent federal funding for abortion, and that was the only reason he was holding out? Then no, because he’s stated before that he would likely vote in favor of such legislation (there’s a video out there floating around). An executive order to that effect doesn’t impress me. They can be just as easily rescinded as they are imposed.

    Second… Neugebauer DID come up to Stupak, apologized for his outburst in person AND explained that he wasn’t directing the comment at him personally. But that’s just not good enough for that fucking dumbass. He’s so goddamn self important, that he demands a public, Congressional apology, because he’s all sniffly now! Fuck him! He doesn’t deserve shit. He and his fellow Congressscum wanted to get this crap through any way possible – despite the fact that Americans think this bill is shit.

    He doesn’t deserve anything.

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    @ DJ Allyn, ITW:
    It’s a lot easier to rescind an EO than it is to change a law.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    If it wasn’t for this monstrosity of a bill, there wouldn’t have to be any worries about federal dollars going to abortions in the first place!

    Oh, you mean like the monstrosity of a bill like the Patriot Act that virtually NOBODY read? That was a much larger bill and actually increased the size and scope of our government AND took away a lot of our basic freedoms.

    Would it surprise you to know that most of the 2000+ pages of the HRC is made up of already existing code? When they write a bill, they oftentimes have to strike existing law, or make modifications in it to conform to the new law. The more ambitious the bill, the more strikes and changes they have to make. It isn’t unusual to end up with large stacks of paper at the end of the process. But I am sure that when the Boener stands at the podium, drops a phone-book-sized block of paper to the ground with a thud, he won’t tell you that more than a few bills end up to be that size or ever larger by the time they are done.

    Besides, if you think it is large now, wait until it goes to the next step in the process. Now it goes to the effected agencies to be codified. Wait until you see how it ends up in the CFR.

    You ain’t seen nutin’ yet.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Oh, you mean like the monstrosity of a bill like the Patriot Act that virtually NOBODY read? That was a much larger bill and actually increased the size and scope of our government AND took away a lot of our basic freedoms.

    Would it surprise you to know that I did a paper on the PATRIOT Act for my MA in National Security Studies, and read the damn thing? Would it also surprise you to know that the majority of it had to do with intelligence sharing and giving the IC the resources to get actionable intel? Would it also surprise you to know that I railed against the privacy infringements of the bill in a 25 page paper?

    Would it surprise you to know that most of the 2000+ pages of the HRC is made up of already existing code? When they write a bill, they oftentimes have to strike existing law, or make modifications in it to conform to the new law. The more ambitious the bill, the more strikes and changes they have to make. It isn’t unusual to end up with large stacks of paper at the end of the process. But I am sure that when the Boener stands at the podium, drops a phone-book-sized block of paper to the ground with a thud, he won’t tell you that more than a few bills end up to be that size or ever larger by the time they are done.
    Besides, if you think it is large now, wait until it goes to the next step in the process. Now it goes to the effected agencies to be codified. Wait until you see how it ends up in the CFR.
    You ain’t seen nutin’ yet.

    Would it surprise you to know that I don’t give a rat’s flying fuck about its length? I give a shit that no one has read it, and I give a shit that it’s based on fuzzy math.

    In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion.

    Gimmick No. 1 is the way the bill front-loads revenues and backloads spending. That is, the taxes and fees it calls for are set to begin immediately, but its new subsidies would be deferred so that the first 10 years of revenue would be used to pay for only 6 years of spending.

    Even worse, some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office’s tabulation.

    Consider, too, the fate of the $70 billion in premiums expected to be raised in the first 10 years for the legislation’s new long-term health care insurance program. This money is counted as deficit reduction, but the benefits it is intended to finance are assumed not to materialize in the first 10 years, so they appear nowhere in the cost of the legislation.

    Another vivid example of how the legislation manipulates revenues is the provision to have corporations deposit $8 billion in higher estimated tax payments in 2014, thereby meeting fiscal targets for the first five years. But since the corporations’ actual taxes would be unchanged, the money would need to be refunded the next year. The net effect is simply to shift dollars from 2015 to 2014.

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    @ DJ Allyn, ITW:
    Oh and by the way, putting up the PATRIOT Act (which by the way was approved by a gargantuan majority in Congress without procedural games and arm twisting) and claiming that this is somehow justification for passing this crap doesn’t get your side any cool points.

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    Light29ID bloviates:

    I think this would be great match for the Imperial Coliseum Romper Room. I got Nikki with a KO by the 5th.

    :em99:

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    harleycowboy bloviates:

    Start the bus Joe, I’ve got another one to throw under it.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Would it surprise you to know that I did a paper on the PATRIOT Act for my MA in National Security Studies, and read the damn thing?

    Then you did much more than most of those who voted on it.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Would it surprise you to know that I don’t give a rat’s flying fuck about its length?

    YOU might not care, but it is one of the many stupid complaints that I have heard, and the “Nobody has had time to read it” complaint.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    I give a shit that no one has read it, and I give a shit that it’s based on fuzzy math.

    Ah, once again, someone uses an OPINION piece as “fact”. You know, there is a reason why they put the word “OPINION” in 18 point type at the top of the page. Now who is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, you ask? And would he have a reason to be partisan on this topic?

    He is currently the president of a policy institute called The American Action Forum

    The funniest thing about this organization, is what I read on their page:

    The American Action Forum will lead the policy debate and will seek the input of center-right leaders who understand that government has an important, but limited role in protecting our freedoms, promoting the free-market, and helping our citizens. The American Action Forum seeks to shape and improve the substance and tone of the debate in Congress and elsewhere. We seek to support those who believe in a vibrant private sector complemented by effective, tightly-articulated policies where the government has a unique role. We will engage in an intellectual battle with reflexive liberals who see continued growth in the size and power of the federal government as the only solution. [emphasis mine]

    So this Douglas Holtz-Eakin seems to have an agenda. But that isn’t what I found funny. In the next paragraph, they said the following:

    [...] The American Action Forum is an independent and nonpartisan research institution.

    Independent of everything BUT the Center-Right, I gather. I am also guessing that more Right than Center.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Oh and by the way, putting up the PATRIOT Act (which by the way was approved by a gargantuan majority in Congress without procedural games and arm twisting) and claiming that this is somehow justification for passing this crap doesn’t get your side any cool points.

    You don’t think there was some arm-twisting and political pressuring going on there? Lemme see, being called “traitor”, and “anti-American” that close to 9/11 tends to cloud the judgment of many people.

    Look, I am NOT going to disagree with you that this particular bill stinks — it does. The POINT initially brought in this thread was about Stupak and whether he was getting stiffed by Obama on the Executive Order. I opined that it was way out of line for him to be called a “baby raper” just because he voted for this pile of shit. I also said that it isn’t very likely that Obama will stiff him on the EO, that these things take a little time.

    What I am saying is that it is unfair to Stupak — who has is strong moral values on abortion intact — to be vilified in THAT way.

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    readerjp bloviates:

    I would like someone to comment on this article I found on my home page this morning.

    FACT CHECK: Spinning the new health care law

    The tumultuous health care debate that brought you death panels and socialism has spun off a catalog of popular myths that will keep growing as President Barack Obama and all sides battle toward the midterm elections this fall.

    Here’s a look at some of the myths and realities, from both sides of the issue:

    • Obama has put the nation on a slippery slope toward socialism.

    Hello? Government’s role in health care has been steadily growing since Medicare and Medicaid were established 45 years ago. Even if Republicans were to take control of Washington and repeal this bill, government would still be on track to pick up more than half the nation’s health care tab by 2012, according to a report last month from Medicare.

    Aren’t Medicaid and Medicare broke?

    “The Republican myth is that the government is for the first time going to take over the health care sector,” said economist Joe Antos of the business-oriented American Enterprise Institute. “The takeover was probably largely accomplished in 1965 with the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Since the early days, Medicare has called the shots on a lot of policy issues that private insurance fell in line with.”

    Still, the new law will undoubtedly expand the government’s influence. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., warned Tuesday it will lead to the “quasi-nationalization of the health industry.”

    Underline “quasi.” Democrats dropped their idea of a government insurance plan to compete with private carriers. So any “socialization” will be channeled through Wellpoint, UnitedHealthcare and other private insurance giants.

    You will be forced to pay for other people’s abortions.

    Only if you join a health insurance plan that covers abortion. In that case, the costs of paying for abortions would be spread over all the enrollees in the plan — no differently from how other medical procedures are handled, except a policyholder would have to write a separate check for it.

    • The Democratic bill will lead to government health care rationing.

    The legislation sets up a research center to compare the effectiveness of medical treatments, and critics fear that bureaucrats will start issuing justifications for denying patients access to the latest medical technology.

    Republicans as well as Democrats had previously called for a major investment in such research to help make sense of which kinds of treatments, medications and technologies are worth the cost.

    The legislation specifies that the research findings cannot be used to impose mandates, guidelines or recommendations for payment, coverage, or treatment — or used to deny coverage.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100323/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_overhaul_fact_check

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    @ DJ Allyn, ITW:
    Gee, Deej – you seem to have glossed over the fact that Holtz-Eakin was also director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005.

    You also don’t dispute anything he actually says, but impugn the fact that he is now with this American Action Forum. Try again. Weak. Discounting someone’s facts and figures because they happen to be part of a “center-right” organization… super weak!

    Ah, once again, someone uses an OPINION piece as “fact”. You know, there is a reason why they put the word “OPINION” in 18 point type at the top of the page

    Are you saying that OPINIONS can’t be based on FACTS? SPARE ME! He gives specific figures and explains why he believes what he believes about this bill. If you can dispute him, be my guest.

    And no, I don’t care how long the bill is. I DO care about the fact that practically no one in Congress read it. Oh waaaah, it was too long to read? Too fucking bad. Read every fucking page. If you’re going to vote on a piece of legislation that will have an indubitable effect on the economy and fabric of this nation, you should at least know what the fuck it says! But no… they were in such a hurry to pass it, that it didn’t matter. THAT pisses me off! That and the fact that they held it in their pockets until nearly the last minute, after the Douchebag-in-Chief promised 5 days.

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    You don’t think there was some arm-twisting and political pressuring going on there? Lemme see, being called “traitor”, and “anti-American” that close to 9/11 tends to cloud the judgment of many people.

    Look, I am NOT going to disagree with you that this particular bill stinks — it does. The POINT initially brought in this thread was about Stupak and whether he was getting stiffed by Obama on the Executive Order. I opined that it was way out of line for him to be called a “baby raper” just because he voted for this pile of shit. I also said that it isn’t very likely that Obama will stiff him on the EO, that these things take a little time.

    What I am saying is that it is unfair to Stupak — who has is strong moral values on abortion intact — to be vilified in THAT way.

    Actually, there wasn’t arm-twisting. They all marched in lockstep like good little panicky rats on that one. And again, no comparison to the PATRIOT Act. It passed OVERWHELMINGLY and legally – without parlor tricks.

    And AGAIN – Stupak was not only issued an apology, it was explained to him that “baby killer” (not baby raper) didn’t refer to him personally. He whined and moaned that this wasn’t enough. Why? My bet is that he knew that an EO wasn’t a good enough compromise, he knew he was going to get flak for that particular compromise and he facilitated the passage of one of the shittiest bills ever!

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    LC Rurik bloviates:

    Sire,

    Might I humbly suggest a great compromise, one which might solve the entirre abortion-funding dispute, and much else as well:

    I propose that abortions be forbidden for all Conservatives, Reactionaries, and Right-of-Center-Republicans. For all Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Progressives (sic), Left-Libertarians and other Radical Leftists, abortion should be freely available, without restriction. In fact for them, abortion should be mandatory.

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    LC Rurik said the following:

    Sire,
    Might I humbly suggest a great compromise, one which might solve the entirre abortion-funding dispute, and much else as well:
    I propose that abortions be forbidden for all Conservatives, Reactionaries, and Right-of-Center-Republicans. For all Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Progressives (sic), Left-Libertarians and other Radical Leftists, abortion should be freely available, without restriction. In fact for them, abortion should be mandatory.

    I SECOND THE MOTION!!!!!!!

    :em93:

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    WayneB bloviates:

    As I posted elsewhere today:

    To paraphrase P.T. Barnum: There’s a Stupak born every minute.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    What I am saying is that it is unfair to Stupak — who has is strong moral values on abortion intact — to be vilified in THAT way.

    This is garbage. If he were as staunchly pro-life as he claimed to be, he wouldn’t have sold out…EVER. I have no problem with him being villified. He should have stuck to his guns.

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    LC Don_M bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:
    Oh and by the way, putting up the PATRIOT Act (which by the way was approved by a gargantuan majority in Congress without procedural games and arm twisting) and claiming that this is somehow justification for passing this crap doesn’t get your side any cool points.
    You don’t think there was some arm-twisting and political pressuring going on there? Lemme see, being called “traitor”, and “anti-American” that close to 9/11 tends to cloud the judgment of many people.

    It’s time for some box scores:

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, 2010
    House vote: 219-212
    Senate vote: 60-39

    USA PATRIOT Act, 2001:
    House vote: 357-66
    Senate vote: 98-1

    Oh, yeah — I remember scores of Dems bitching about dislocated elbows in late October 2001. Sure, DJ. Whatever you say.

    My, what a selective memory you have! NO ONE called anyone else a “traitor” or “anti-American” during that debate. I believe this was the last time both parties worked together on major legislation in a sincere bi-partisan spirit. Please note the Senate vote, and recall that the Dems had control of that chamber at the time (Tom Daschle, anyone?), since it was months after Jim Jeffords Jumped. What you’re referring to came later in spades, of course, but 2003-04 was not 2001, so please stop conflating one with another so as to win yet another argument.

    Before you tear me a new one, dear sir, please be assured that like you and Nicki, I also thought passing something that momentous in the heat of the moment, barely six weeks after the terror attacks, was a really bad idea.

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    rumcrook bloviates:

    fuck stupack.

    he achieved nothing.

    he should have stood by his principles (now we know he has none) and let the chips fall where they may.

    period.

    all the dribble about what he got from the pResident is meaningless.

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    WayneB bloviates:

    As far as Stupak’s apology goes, I would tell him that I’ll be making one just as soon as Alan Grayson gets done making his.

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    Tallulah bloviates:

    In related news: Ann Coulter is silenced by a 1000-strong mob in a Canadian “university.”

    http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/Protest-Cancels-Coulter-Ottawa/2010/03/24/id/353710?s=al&promo_code=9A41-1

    Hear the jackboots marching?

    The Washington Post has a whiny anti-Glen Beck piece by Howard Kurtz, complaining that unnamed “staffers” at Fox News are bitching that Beck is damaging Fox’s credibility as a news organization. Meanwhile, Keith Olbermann’s deranged rants lend the luster of impartiality to MSNBC.

    Nota bene: Fox staffers donated 50% to the Dims. But even a half-and-half news organization is too much to bear for the Leftists. IT MUST BE ELIMINATED.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    @ readerjp:

    I am having trouble separating the “Fact” from the “spin” or the “opinion” in your homepage article.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Gee, Deej – you seem to have glossed over the fact that Holtz-Eakin was also director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005.

    Yes, and he may have been a choir boy when he was a child. The important thing is what does he do NOW? Who currently pays his salary? I doubt seriously that he is currently acting as a “non-partisan” person as he heads a “Center-Right” think tank made up of other Right-wing people. At least with the CBO, its mission was to be NON-partisan, and its members are made up of those who weren’t trying to spin things.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    You also don’t dispute anything he actually says, but impugn the fact that he is now with this American Action Forum. Try again. Weak. Discounting someone’s facts and figures because they happen to be part of a “center-right” organization… super weak!

    I am going with what the CURRENT Congressional Budget Office says, not what a group with an agenda is trying to say.

    Does this mean that the CBO is going to be correct in its assessment? I don’t think ANYONE can tell you for sure. Because of the time span involved and the fact that there are many variables to consider over that ten and twenty year period, they can only make a ballpark estimation.

    The difference is, the CBO isn’t using an agenda or outcome-based model to come up with its figures. The American Action Forum is. I wouldn’t use data from the Center for American Progress on this for the same reason.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Are you saying that OPINIONS can’t be based on FACTS? SPARE ME! He gives specific figures and explains why he believes what he believes about this bill. If you can dispute him, be my guest.

    Or opinions based on opinions? It is about the skew, Nicki. You want to accept an opinion as “fact”, and that doesn’t cut it. How do you determine where in his writing the fact ends and his opinion starts? You want to blend it all together, repeat it AS a fact and before long it is bounced all over the intertubes as some pseudo-fact.

    I don’t know how many times I see copies of copies of copies of these opinion pieces being used as a “fact”. After a while it gets to be almost impossible to tell the difference.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    They all marched in lockstep like good little panicky rats on that one. And again, no comparison to the PATRIOT Act. It passed OVERWHELMINGLY and legally – without parlor tricks.

    Panicky rats IS a good analogy. I remember during that time it wasn’t politically wise to question the administration.

    And yes, it was legal, just like the current legislation was done legally. That is the part that you guys fail to see: the procedure they ended up using is legal. The one they proposed was legal also.

    Even in the Senate, the filibuster procedure is legal, and when the Republicans proposed to use the “nuclear option” to destroy the filibuster rule — that would have been legal also.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    And AGAIN – Stupak was not only issued an apology, it was explained to him that “baby killer” (not baby raper) didn’t refer to him personally.

    Nicki, he was publicly called a “Baby Killer”, for which he received a personal apology. Right after that personal apology, Neugebauer said to the press that he still meant what he said.

    The problem is, that it seems to be alright these days to publicly call Barney Franks a “faggot”, and Clayburn a “nigger” and Stupak a “baby killer” just because someone on the Right disagrees with them on something. It is an ugly discourse in this country, and it seems to be getting worse.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    My bet is that he knew that an EO wasn’t a good enough compromise, he knew he was going to get flak for that particular compromise and he facilitated the passage of one of the shittiest bills ever!

    Notwithstanding being a shitty bill, (not the shittiest by any stretch) would he have been called a “baby killer” if his language had been inserted in the fixer bill?

    @ LC Rurik:

    Oh, tee and hee, you are a knee slapper.

    @ LC Don_M:

    Don, I was talking about the usual complaints about the size of the bill, NOT the numbers voted. One of the many arguments I’ve heard about this thing has been about the SIZE. It was even mentioned in this thread, and I took the time out to explain WHY a bill gets to be as big as it is. But somehow THAT part was ignored and it was assumed I was comparing the two bills because of its acceptance. (even though the Patriot Bill was a piece of shit also and FAR more damaging to our “Freedoms”)

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    This is garbage. If he were as staunchly pro-life as he claimed to be, he wouldn’t have sold out…EVER. I have no problem with him being villified. He should have stuck to his guns.

    He didn’t sell out. He got what he wanted. He made it so that nothing in this bill would allow federal money to be directly or indirectly used to fund abortion. THAT was his goal, his demand. THAT is what he got.

    Now it has been only three days since the vote, and people are saying that Stupak got punk’d. I only pointed out that EOs do take some time, and that I am sure there isn’t a deadline involved in getting one out there. In fact, most of the provisions of this stupid thing don’t even come on line for at least a couple of years.

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    Lizard bloviates:

    DJ he was not publically called a “baby killer” the phrase that was used was “it’s a baby killer” referring to the bill. In anycase the apology was made but instead of remembering what he should have learned in Kindergarten Stupak is still whinning about it.

    My question is why would he keep whinning about it, the reason is because he knows he just lost a ton of votes because many(my sister-in-law is one of these) conservatives in MI voted for him based solely on his anti-abortion stance which he has now lost so he is whinning more because he knows his re-election is in jeopardy now.

    Yes, Obama signed the EO(which DJ I am sure was in the works since last week-sorry don’t buy your argument that they needed more time) but Obama still stuck it to Stupak for making him do such a thing by waiting therefore calling more attention to it and to Stupak’s voters. That is just my opinion DJ but kinda goes with the way Rahm does things.

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    sleeper bloviates:

    Are we supposed to believe Stupak traded his vote for the promise of an executive order?

    Pelosi “Say, Bart, nice family you got there. Be a shame if something, y’know, ‘happened’ to ‘em.

    So here’s how it’s gonna be. You vote yes, and you say it’s because you received ‘assurances’, see? ”

    Yeah, he’ll sign it. Meaningless.

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    Lizard bloviates:

    The problem is, that it seems to be alright these days to publicly call Barney Franks a “faggot”, and Clayburn a “nigger” and Stupak a “baby killer” just because someone on the Right disagrees with them on something. It is an ugly discourse in this country, and it seems to be getting worse.

    DJ Barney Frank started the name calling and ONE person called him that and was immediately admonished by the protestors. Yes he should never have been called that name and don’t think he deserved it but for a Congressman to yell foul language at protestors tells me he was in a way getting back what he was giving.(Does anyone believe that Barney has never used the F word as his spokesperson tried to convince us of???)

    As for the use of the “N” word – let me state this very clearly so you don’t get confused THAT WORD SHOULD NEVER BE USED BY ANYONE. That being said there is no collaboration that the word was ever used. I was not there and neither were you so we can never know but again the use of that was quickly condemned.

    Oh and since I have been called far worse names by liberals based solely on the fact that I am white I think it is found on both sides and to only blame one side is falling for the whole “we are so oppressed and beaten down by others” mentality.

    Oh and the UGLY DISCOURSE was made worse by elected officials stating that they know better what we need and that those who oppose are too stupid and should sit down and shut up.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Lizard said the following:

    sorry don’t buy your argument that they needed more time

    And why not? He certainly isn’t going to pull out a sheet of paper from the printer and scribble it out. Besides, it is only Wednesday, a scant three days after the vote, and one day after the signing.

    As you pointed out — which should put the initial reason for this post to rest — Obama did in fact sign the Executive Order today.

    The White House

    Office of the Press Secretary
    For Immediate Release
    March 24, 2010
    Executive Order — Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act’s Consistency with Longstanding Restrictions on the Use of Federal Funds for Abortion

    EXECUTIVE ORDER

    ENSURING ENFORCEMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ABORTION RESTRICTIONS IN THE PATIENT PROTECTION AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (Public Law 111-148), I hereby order as follows:

    Section. 1. Policy. Following the recent enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the “Act”), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this order is to establish a comprehensive, Government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors — Federal officials, State officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers — are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

    The Act maintains current Hyde Amendment restrictions governing abortion policy and extends those restrictions to the newly created health insurance exchanges. Under the Act, longstanding Federal laws to protect conscience (such as the Church Amendment, 42 U.S.C. 300a-7, and the Weldon Amendment, section 508(d)(1) of Public Law 111-8) remain intact and new protections prohibit discrimination against health care facilities and health care providers because of an unwillingness to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

    Numerous executive agencies have a role in ensuring that these restrictions are enforced, including the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and the Office of Personnel Management.

    Sec. 2. Strict Compliance with Prohibitions on Abortion Funding in Health Insurance Exchanges. The Act specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges that will be operational in 2014. The Act also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires State health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles, OMB funds management circulars, and accounting guidance provided by the Government Accountability Office.

    I hereby direct the Director of the OMB and the Secretary of HHS to develop, within 180 days of the date of this order, a model set of segregation guidelines for State health insurance commissioners to use when determining whether exchange plans are complying with the Act’s segregation requirements, established in section 1303 of the Act, for enrollees receiving Federal financial assistance. The guidelines shall also offer technical information that States should follow to conduct independent regular audits of insurance companies that participate in the health insurance exchanges. In developing these model guidelines, the Director of the OMB and the Secretary of HHS shall consult with executive agencies and offices that have relevant expertise in accounting principles, including, but not limited to, the Department of the Treasury, and with the Government Accountability Office. Upon completion of those model guidelines, the Secretary of HHS should promptly initiate a rulemaking to issue regulations, which will have the force of law, to interpret the Act’s segregation requirements, and shall provide guidance to State health insurance commissioners on how to comply with the model guidelines.

    Sec. 3. Community Health Center Program. The Act establishes a new Community Health Center (CHC) Fund within HHS, which provides additional Federal funds for the community health center program. Existing law prohibits these centers from using Federal funds to provide abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), as a result of both the Hyde Amendment and longstanding regulations containing the Hyde language. Under the Act, the Hyde language shall apply to the authorization and appropriations of funds for Community Health Centers under section 10503 and all other relevant provisions. I hereby direct the Secretary of HHS to ensure that program administrators and recipients of Federal funds are aware of and comply with the limitations on abortion services imposed on CHCs by existing law. Such actions should include, but are not limited to, updating Grant Policy Statements that accompany CHC grants and issuing new interpretive rules.

    Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) authority granted by law or Presidential directive to an agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the OMB relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

    BARACK OBAMA

    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    March 24, 2010.

    As you can see, Liz, it takes a bit more than a scribble on a pad to craft something like this and expect it to handle everything it is supposed to.

    Lizard said the following:

    DJ Barney Frank started the name calling and ONE person called him that and was immediately admonished by the protestors.

    C’mon, Liz. This has been getting exponentially worse as time has rolled on. Yes, we have ALL been called names, but lately the names are getting more and more personal, and for no real necessity.

    And no, it isn’t the first time some of these Right wingnuts have come out of the woodwork for xenophobic reasons. — And don’t get me wrong here, I am NOT painting the “Tea Party” movement with this broad brush. But there are a few attracted to the Tea Party group that casts a shadow over the entire group and makes them look bad.

    The point is, this kind of name calling isn’t helpful at all, and all it does is further alienate people.

    The funny thing is, I am here agreeing with the most of you that this bill is a piece of dung. I disagree with the characterizations of some of the people involved with it, and I also point out the areas of disinformation connected to it.

    I don’t like the bill because it doesn’t accomplish what I personally think is needed. I also don’t like it because it probably won’t accomplish the goal. Those are two separate things.

    I know that the first one is where you all tend to disagree on — and that’s fine. What I think it needs will never happen, so its immaterial.

    The second one is something that I think we all agree: the goal. The GOAL is to make health care affordable to everyone. Nothing more, nothing less. We all should have access to affordable health care.

    As I said, this bill will probably fall WAY short of that goal, and might end up with completely disastrous results. But you can’t just blame the Democrats for it — much of the shit contained in it is stuff that Republicans wanted to put in. Remember, Grassley helped write this shit, he just didn’t vote for it.

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    LC Roguetek bloviates:

    I noticed you never actually answered any of Nicki’s points, DJ.

    nice dance moves.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    Lizard, I think it’s ironic that the libtards are whining about being called names, but how many names was Bush called? Shrub, Chimpy, Hitler, ChimpyMcBushitler, Nazi, and a few others I have forgotten

    Of course, it was all right then because after all, it was BUSH, and we all know how evil he was.

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    @ DJ Allyn, ITW:
    Sorry, Deej, but you’re being purposefully obtuse. It doesn’t matter who pays Holtz-Eakin’s bills.

    Are the first 10 years of revenue going to be used to pay for only 6 years of spending? Yes.

    Are the costs to operate the new programs left out of the current CBO’s estimate? Yes.

    Are the raises in premiums calculated to finance benefits that won’t even happen for the first 10 years? Yes.

    Unless you can prove that these facts are wrong, your impugning Eakin’s employer is dishonest.

    The current legislation was done far from legally – and if it was technically “legal,” it was unethical and immoral. Since when can Congress just “deem” legislation as having passed? It’s crap, and you know it! If it was a good bill, why wasn’t it passed procedurally the way it should have been? Why the arm twisting and the bribes? Because they knew they were close and couldn’t possibly pass it any other way. What does that tell you?

    Calling a bill a “baby killer” and calling someone the N-bomb or a faggot are two different things. Please! Get real.

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    LC Don_M bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    @ LC Don_M:
    Don, I was talking about the usual complaints about the size of the bill, NOT the numbers voted. One of the many arguments I’ve heard about this thing has been about the SIZE. It was even mentioned in this thread, and I took the time out to explain WHY a bill gets to be as big as it is. But somehow THAT part was ignored and it was assumed I was comparing the two bills because of its acceptance. (even though the Patriot Bill was a piece of shit also and FAR more damaging to our “Freedoms”)

    Baloney. An orange is not an apple just because you say it is. I second Roguetek:

    LC Roguetek said the following:

    I noticed you never actually answered any of Nicki’s points, DJ.
    nice dance moves.

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    LC hilljohnny bloviates:

    so the executive order has been signed and government funded convenience abortions are forbidden. does this mean when the turkey mutates into completely nationalized heathcare with the government as the sole payer convenience abortions will be no more?

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    LC Xystus bloviates:

    WayneB said the following:

    As far as Stupak’s apology goes, I would tell him that I’ll be making one just as soon as Alan Grayson gets done making his.

    Grayson lies!

    DJ, ITW:

    C’mon, Liz. This has been getting exponentially worse as time has rolled on. Yes, we have ALL been called names, but lately the names are getting more and more personal, and for no real necessity.

    Now that Dims are–allegedly–on the receiving end, we have obviously crossed the line, oh yes Precious!

    Congressman-For-Life Barney Fudd should beat up Phred PHellps & his family of phuqqers; that would impress! Till then he’s just another @$$#0£€ on the Hill, though a rather odious one.

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    @ LC Xystus:
    I’ll volunteer to beat the shit out of Phelps and his entire family. Using cricket bats dipped in hot tar, broken glass and wrapped in barbed wire. Guess which point of contact will receive said cricket bat first?

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    ‘Be glad to standby with the truck, ‘case ya need anything else from the hardware store Nicki. :em93:

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    @ LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech:
    I think this may do for now, but I may need you to go to a pharmacy later, pick me out the largest enema you can find and grab some battery acid at the auto parts store, please! :em93:

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    lc purple raider bloviates:

    Yes, and he may have been a choir boy when he was a child. The important thing is what does he do NOW? Who currently pays his salary?

    Funny, that’s not what you told me.

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    Kristopher, LC bloviates:

    DJ:

    Stupak and a bunch of other Democrats are going to burn over this one, regardless.

    We will make them pay in November.

    And if we get a large enough majority, this socialist bullshit is going to be tossed out, or at least de-funded.

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    And just in case y’all had any doubts at all that what these fetid fuckbags passed is anything short of socialism, consider the praise coming from Fidel Castro.

    Cuban revolutionary leader Fidel Castro on Thursday declared passage of American health care reform “a miracle” and a major victory for Obama’s presidency, but couldn’t help chide the United States for taking so long to enact what communist Cuba achieved decades ago.

    “We consider health reform to have been an important battle and a success of his (Obama’s) government,” Castro wrote in an essay published in state media, adding that it would strengthen the president’s hand against lobbyists and “mercenaries.”

    Is it any wonder, they had to twist arms, bribe, and use legislative parlor tricks to pass this toad of a bill?

    Fucking Castro.

    :em98:

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Sorry, Deej, but you’re being purposefully obtuse. It doesn’t matter who pays Holtz-Eakin’s bills.

    But it does. Because he repeats the same talking points as the rest of the Right does.

    LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    Are the first 10 years of revenue going to be used to pay for only 6 years of spending? Yes.

    Are the costs to operate the new programs left out of the current CBO’s estimate? Yes.

    Are the raises in premiums calculated to finance benefits that won’t even happen for the first 10 years? Yes.

    We don’t really know that, and THAT is the point. One side is assuming one thing, and the other side is assuming another. The Left is trying to make things look as favorable as they can, while the Right is trying to make it look as bad as they can.

    Right now, Holtz-Eakin is rendering an opinion – paid for by the group and interests he represents. He isn’t objective, and neither is the Left.

    The problem is, there are too many variables involved, and there are too many suppositions for anyone to make an accurate prediction. The most that can be done is a ballpark, and for that I would have to go with the group that doesn’t have a dog in the race — the CBO.

    THAT SAID,

    I posted some predictions that my friend Norm Goldman mentioned on the radio the other day and later posted on his website. Norm is an attorney-turned-pundit whose specialty was insurance and malpractice. He has worked on both sides of the issues.

    He is a Democrat that is NOT happy with this bill, and he will tell you why. I tend to agree with his position on this:

    My 11 Predictions on Health Insurance

    Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010

    I wrote up my 11 predictions on health insurance and read them on the air today. Here they are:

    1) The Senate bill will pass the House;

    2) There will be no public option or Medicare buy-in – now or EVER;

    3) Many people will disobey the mandate;

    4) The government will soft pedal enforcement;

    5) The insurance companies will massively jack up rates AND PAY LOTS OF CLAIMS AND DEMAND HUGE SUBSIDIES (AND RECEIVE THEM);

    6) The government will pay bigger than expected subsidies;

    7) The cost curve will not bend, due to no public option, no Medicare buy-in, no competition, no repeal of the anti-trust exemption, no incentive to lower costs;

    8) Lots more people will have access to insurance – but not all – this is NOT UNIVERSAL COVERAGE;

    9) Deductibles and co-pays will remain a problem for many consumers;

    10) The program will ULTIMATELY be seen as better than before it was enacted;

    11) The whole thing will cost double what the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) estimated;

    AND A BONUS PREDICTION:

    12) The moment this whole thing passes, in the next few weeks, all Democratic politicians will drop the issue like the hottest of hot potatoes and will use the excuse of “The bill is complex, many of the provisions don’t kick in for years, we gotta give the thing a chance to work, we can tweak it later (when they are out of politics or dead) so we shouldn’t do anything now.”

    After the 1994 Clinton health insurance war and this one, WHAT POLITICIAN IN HIS OR HER RIGHT MIND WILL WANT TO TOUCH THIS ISSUE AGAIN?????

    Those are my predictions. Let’s see if I am right. Time will tell.

    Norm [emphasis mine]

    He is giving HIS opinion, and it is probably even worse than the opinion that Holtz-Eakin is saying. But it is based on the same set of unknowns and trying to come up with a certain ‘fact’. I can’t say that either one of them will be right OR wrong. I afraid that Norm will be right.

    Kristopher, LC said the following:

    Stupak and a bunch of other Democrats are going to burn over this one, regardless.

    Yeah, I see the Christian Values folk are right there with their lovely chatter:

    Audio clip: Adobe Flash Player (version 9 or above) is required to play this audio clip. Download the latest version here. You also need to have JavaScript enabled in your browser.

    Gotta love that “pro-life” attitude. Sheese! Those are some ugly people there. Do you think Jesus talked like that?

    Regardless on how you feel about someone, is it really necessary to be so obnoxious? It is one thing to object to someone’s actions, it is yet another to be objectionable. Like it or not, the man has his beliefs. The Right was counting on him ONLY because he had a chance of standing in the way of getting this thing passed, NOT because of his position on abortion. The only issue he had with the HCR Bill was the issue on federally-funded abortions. Once that issue was addressed, and received a redundant guarantee that the HCR Bill wouldn’t make it possible for federal monies to be used for abortion, he no longer had an objection to it.

    But it STILL doesn’t stop the Right from continuing to repeat the lie that this bill will allow federally funded abortions.

    If it makes you feel any better, Stupak is being challenged by pro-choice people also.

    Kristopher, LC said the following:

    And if we get a large enough majority, this socialist bullshit is going to be tossed out, or at least de-funded.

    You will have to get a veto-proof majority, and I don’t see that happening.LC Nicki the Resident Misanthropic Bitch said the following:

    use legislative parlor tricks to pass this toad of a bill?

    Which parlor trick did the Democrats actually end up using?

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    LC Xystus bloviates:

    DJ, ITW:

    Kristopher, LC said the following:

    “Stupak and a bunch of other Democrats are going to burn over this one, regardless.”

    Yeah, I see the Christian Values folk are right there with their lovely chatter:

    Funny, I’m fairly sure that LC Kristopher has espoused atheism here. :em02:

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    Kristopher, LC bloviates:

    LC Xystus said the following:

    DJ, ITW:
    Kristopher, LC said the following:
    “Stupak and a bunch of other Democrats are going to burn over this one, regardless.”
    Yeah, I see the Christian Values folk are right there with their lovely chatter:

    Funny, I’m fairly sure that LC Kristopher has espoused atheism here.

    Atheist conservatives are a concept the left seems to have difficulty getting their heads bent around. Of course that does cut both ways … because I’m not a god botherer, I’ve had folks on the right assume I was some kind of communist and/or queer … I love bitch slapping those morons as well.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    LC Xystus said the following:

    ’m fairly sure that LC Kristopher has espoused atheism here. :em02:

    Unless Kristopher or someone else here was one of the people who left those asinine messages in the audio I posted, then I wasn’t talking about anyone here.

    If you’d listen to the calls, you’d know that all of them referenced what GOD should do to Stupak and how they wished God would visit some unspeakable horror upon him and his family. It is kinda hard NOT to mistake these fruit jellos as anything but assholes who claim to be “Christian”.

    It isn’t the fact that someone called Stupak to voice their opinions, it is the content of those opinions I was commenting on. If Christians are supposed to be “Christ-like”, I am having a hard time envisioning Christ speaking that way. I have read the Bible — I never saw any passage in the New Testament where Jesus wished someone to bleed from their ass, or even where he called someone a “punk” and wished him dead.

    Most Christians I know pray for someone’s soul. They pray for God and/or Jesus to open up someone’s mind an lead them to the proper path.

    I commented on the audio because it is UGLY — especially coming from people who have this really skewed idea of what being “Christ-like” is all about.

    Kristopher, LC said the following:

    Atheist conservatives are a concept the left seems to have difficulty getting their heads bent around. Of course that does cut both ways … because I’m not a god botherer, I’ve had folks on the right assume I was some kind of communist and/or queer … I love bitch slapping those morons as well.

    I know a lot of Conservatives who are atheist or agnostic. I know a lot of Liberals who are Christian. I don’t see where politics and religion are exclusive. It is like some people are dumbfounded that there are gay Republicans. Or gay Christians.

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    Kristopher, LC bloviates:

    Then maybe you shouldn’t use my post as an example of a form of fundamentalist bigotry?

    Assuming that you were talking about me was kinda easy, since the statement you made was directly under something you quoted from my post. That is the usual format for posts, correct?

    Qout something someone said, then comment about said quote, and not something unrelated, like say, the weather at McMurdo Sound?

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Kristopher, LC said the following:

    Then maybe you shouldn’t use my post as an example of a form of fundamentalist bigotry?

    Oh, I understand what you are saying now…

    I tend to respond to several comments at a time, and sometimes a particular comment segues into a parallel thought. I probably should have isolated it from your particular comment — my bad.

    Sometimes I end up doing three or four things at a time here, or I leave for a while and come back to the open comment. I apologize for the confusion.

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    Mudshark bloviates:

    NOW I KNOW IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD!

    A mistake has been made, an apology offered, and without 5000 words of explanation.

    OH, WOE IS ME!

    FROM THE PSYCH WARD, :em95:

    Mudshark

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Mudshark said the following:

    A mistake has been made, an apology offered, and without 5000 words of explanation.

    OH, WOE IS ME!

    Don’t get used to it. :em99:

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