There IS Such a Thing as “Over-Zealous”, You Know

In which His Imperial Majesty indulges his Inner RINO. At least we’re sure that we’ll be told that we do.

Is the Tea Party set to primary Scott Brown, who took over Swimmer Kennedy’s liquor cabinet and double-wide chair, for crimes against conservatism?

Granted, it is the Boston Globe, so we’re not entirely sure about their sourcing and quoting but, according to them, Scott’s acts of Heresy are the following, near as we can tell:

1) Repeal of DADT. Yes, we disagree with him on that one, but it is one of those cases where we, although we know which side we’re on, have to recognize that there are arguments to make for the other side. Not enough to sway us, but enough to have a reasonable and intelligent discussion where one can disagree without being disagreeable.

2) START. OK, that was a serious fuckup. Unless you’ve lived the past 55 years under a rock, you know that the gain of signing a nuclear arms treaty with Russia is entirely on the Russian side. The only side likely to adhere to the terms in that treaty are us, and that’s hardly what you’d call a mutually beneficial agreement. You can disagree with us all you want on that one, but we’ll just turn around and smack you over the head with almost six decades’ worth of evidence that you’re deluding yourself. Whether it will be a death blow to our status as a hyper-power is doubtful, but it sure as Hades isn’t to our advantage.

All it did was give Hussein Ogabe a “win” for the press to crow over when they would otherwise have been forced to admit that their Messiah had been taken to the cleaners.

And then there’s:

3) The tax cut extension deal. We’re still not quite sure how that can count as a minus on Scott’s ledger, but apparently the argument goes as follows:

Brown has also upset some former supporters by voting for President Obama’s compromise on extending the Bush era tax cuts, a plan some Tea Party activists oppose because it will add nearly $1 trillion to the deficit.

OK. Wait. Stop. Shut the fuck up. This is where we suspect that we’re listening to the Boston Globe’s spin rather than any actual Tea Partiers. “It’ll add nearly $1 trillion to the deficit?” How, exactly?

We will freely admit that we haven’t read every line item in that compromise, why should we when even our legislators can’t be arsed to read what they vote on?, but near as we can tell, the only major outlay in it was the extension of the 99-week unemployment benefits for another two years and, correct us if we’re hideously wrong, the cost of that one was about $54 billion or so. So where is the other $946,000,000,000′s worth of spending in it?

Unless they’re saying that the government NOT taking our own hard-earned money equals “spending”, in which case we’d like it very much if those “conservatives” would kindly go sit in the back of the class, stick a gun in their mouths and pull the trigger. Kindly roll out some plastic first so’s not to ruin the marble in the Imperial Palace. At any rate, we’re not listening.

I don’t ever, EVER want to hear anybody calling themselves “conservatives” equate tax cuts with “spending”, and if they insist on doing so they can quite unceremoniously go fuck themselves with highly unsanitary and sharp implements.

If there really, truly are individuals within the Tea Party who believe that letting citizens keep their own money is a government outlay, then we should be more concerned about starting a purge among our own ranks before we continue purging RINOs.

And as to agreeing to extending the 99 weeks of unemployment insurance being a “loss” or a “surrender”, we’ve only ever heard that retarded argument from conservatives who are already gainfully employed. But really, if you want to be the ones to go out and say “hey, it’s time the adults cleaned up the mess the Dem Cong and their Ogabessiah made, but you unemployed people who are victims of their crimes against our nation are on your own” and use that as a winning strategy…

Why don’t you just cover yourselves in BBQ sauce and jump into an alligator-infested swamp first, because that’s the exact same thing.

Millions of our fellow citizens have lost their livelihoods as a result of Ogabe and his National Socialist Democrat Workers’ Party. I don’t really think telling those people that we don’t give a shit is the way to show that we care and that we need them in order to clean up the mess.

So back to the point: Allegedly the Tea Party is ready to primary Scott Brown, the first non-communist Senator from Taxatwoshits since Karl Marx wrote “Das Kapital”, because of this?

Listen, if you can find a better candidate, then so be it. Ultimately it’s not for us to decide, it’s for the people of Massachusetts to decide, but really.

If you’re looking for useless shits who might as well be Dem Cong, you could start looking at Lousy Moo-cowshit (thanks a pants-load, Alaska!). Yes, we know that she can’t be primaried for quite a little while, but there are other ways. We could turn Alaska back into a territory so they’d lose their representation or, better still, we could sell them back to the Russians. We’d be screwing both the Russians and the pork-addicted fucks at the same time. If Putin is daft enough to buy them, of course. Or, alternatively, from what we understand about Princess Moo-cowshit and her “habits”, we could hand her a straw, a mirror, a razor blade and direct her to the nearest drift of snow and wait for her to die from hypothermia. Provided she doesn’t snort the whole mountain first, that is.

Thatisall.

40 comments

  1. 1

    @Mish

    OK. Wait. Stop. Shut the fuck up. This is where we suspect that we’re listening to the Boston Globe’s spin rather than any actual Tea Partiers. “It’ll add nearly $1 trillion to the deficit?” How, exactly?

    We will freely admit that we haven’t read every line item in that compromise, why should we when even our legislators can’t be arsed to read what they vote on?, but near as we can tell, the only major outlay in it was the extension of the 99-week unemployment benefits for another two years and, correct us if we’re hideously wrong, the cost of that one was about $54 billion or so. So where is the other $946,000,000,000?s worth of spending in it?

    The way it was explained to me is the following…

    The CBO makes a projection as to what it believes the tax revenues will be for any particular year, and the budget is based on that projection. It does not take into account any tax cuts that might be passed, because, obviously, it’s not an oracle. Nonetheless, Jugears and the Libtards (sound like a really bad band?) submit their budget (and spend every last red cent of it and more) based on said projection. The CBO’s projection was based on the current law at the time, which set the Bush tax cuts to expire. Now that the tax cuts have been expended, that’s a gazillion dollars they don’t have to fuck with, even though they still intend on spending the gazillion x 10 they had planned on to begin with.

    Hence, the deficit…

    Make sense?

    As for Scott Brown. He’s a VERY liberal Republican, and I don’t think he ever made a secret of that. What the hell did people expect from Massachusetts?? While he’s not a true conservative, he’s about the best we can expect from that shitbag state.

    Brown also happens to be a friend of a friend. One of the officers I was deployed with to Kosovo knows him rather well – they’re both in the Mass. Guard. Tim says he’s a great guy, even though his politics are way more liberal than ours. (Tim is one of maybe 3 libertarian true conservatives in the entire state) He’s an LTC in the Army Guard, and he (like many other officers in the military with whom I’ve spoken) has much bigger things to worry about in the field or in a battle zone than whether or not one of his Soldiers is going to come out of the closet. There are simply more important issues in the military.

    I’d say Scott Brown is about the best we can do from there, and we should thank goodness we didn’t get that festering megacunt who ran against him.

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    Uhhh… why twice??? Someone erase that second, pleeez!!! Tanks! :em41:

    (Got it— B.C.)

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    0352crumb crunch bloviates:

    So far I’m not that impressed with the rhetoric from the Tea Party lately. Americans don’t want a complete freeze in spending. We simply want some fiscal responsibility. The tax extension certainly isn’t frivilous spending. It seems to me like they’re taking the no government spending pitch as just another election engine rather than thinking things through. Mabye they think were not capable of thinking, so they just have to dumb things down by saying “no spending” instead of responsible spending. From one extreme to another…

  4. 4

    Thanks, BC!

    You know what I could really use today?

    A Photoshop of Murcuntsky snorting a mountain of white powder, as mentioned above.

    Or a Photoshop of Julian Assmange getting ass raped by a horde of rabid yak.

    *sigh*

    Just sayin’

  5. 5
    lc purple raider bloviates:

    Granted, it is the Boston Globe, so we’re not entirely sure about their sourcing and quoting

    Well, seeing as the Globe is owned by the NY Slimes, I’m entirely sure that they made this story up out of whole cloth.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    I don’t ever, EVER want to hear anybody calling themselves “conservatives” equate tax cuts with “spending”, and if they insist on doing so they can quite unceremoniously go fuck themselves with highly unsanitary and sharp implements.

    “Spending” is probably not the accurate term here, but it does continue to shove us deeper into debt.

    One part of the argument has always been that if you are going to cut taxes, you should also cut an equal amount of spending. Of course we haven’t done that since the Clinton years. Republicans have always labeled Democrats as being “tax and spend” Party, and the Democrats now label the Republicans as the “borrow and spend” Party.

    We can argue the pros and cons of tax rates all day long, and the lark of getting to “keep your own money” ad infinitum. But that is an entirely different subject.

    The cold, hard facts are the tax cut extension deal does increase our budget deficit by almost a trillion bucks, and the $54 billion for the extension of unemployment benefits was just a very tiny drop in a very large bucket.

    I was with Bernie Sanders on this one. Should have let it all go and adjourned Congress two weeks ago.

    DADT? It didn’t really matter if Congress did away with it or not. The courts would have done away with it anyways. At the very least, if Congress hadn’t dealt with it, the administration would have simply stopped the appeal in court and it would have fallen by the wayside anyways.

    Gays in the military? There has always been gays in the military. Whidbey Island Naval Air Station is cram-packed full of them — and most of them are pretty damn open about it. Ask Aaron.

    START? If it keeps even ONE loose nuke from ending up in the hands of the wrong person, then it is a win. As far as limiting the number of active nukes that WE have? You don’t think fifteen hundred active nukes at any given time is enough?

  7. 7
    YGBSM bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Whidbey Island Naval Air Station is cram-packed full of them — and most of them are pretty damn open about it.

    That’s news to those of us who work on NAS Whidbey Island. I’m retired military and have been working right here on base. Yeah, it’s cram-packed allright – crammed full of young married couples with children.
    Oh, there are definitely gays in the military, always have been, but, not as many as wishful thinkers fantasize. ( Note: the US is not relying on homosexual manpower to win any wars.) So, I’m not seeing a lot of gay sailors here nor anywhere I else I travel. And I know one when I see one due to the fact my son is gay.
    And he’s been that way all his life so I have lots of experience in telling who is and who ain’t. But leave me out of it. All these aforementioned gay sailors crammed in to NAS Whidbey have also escaped his attention, He too works on the navy base where he attends to the unhealthy at the base hospital. Given that location, my son comes in contact with pretty much everyone on base sooner or later. Just got off the phone with my son and he says: “Taking the gay’s I know or have ID’d, and, extrapolating that number, my highly educated guess is 200-300 gay people – and a large percentage of those are medical personnel”
    This out of 8,000 base personnel. Not exactly cram-packed.
    And, he’s completely baffled by the comment where gays at the navy base are “pretty damned open about it” In fact he simply laughed and said “oh really???”

  8. 8
    lc purple raider bloviates:

    We can argue the pros and cons of tax rates all day long, and the lark of getting to “keep your own money” ad infinitum. But that is an entirely different subject.

    It is no “lark” to wish to keep what you earned.

    It is not the government’s money, never has been.

  9. 9
    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    YGBSM said the following:

    Oh, there are definitely gays in the military, always have been, but, not as many as wishful thinkers fantasize

    Fantasize? I’m just stating a basic fact. They are there, and they probably aren’t as out in the open as many would expect them to be. You might never suspect them — mainly because they don’t feel the need to advertise their sexuality to you. And I don’t really expect the repeal of DADT to change that very much.

    YGBSM said the following:

    And I know one when I see one due to the fact my son is gay.
    And he’s been that way all his life so I have lots of experience in telling who is and who ain’t.

    My son is gay and he dates a lot of guys from Whidbey, and I’ve met quite a few of them over the years. Most of them don’t “appear” to be gay. I know that if I were to be around them, I wouldn’t ever know if they weren’t with Aaron or one of his friends. That’s probably why you don’t see them all over the place too — we don’t have fully functioning “GayDar”, even though we’ve been exposed to it for years.

    lc purple raider said the following:

    It is no “lark” to wish to keep what you earned.

    I know that this is kinda lost on you, but you live your current life of luxury because people before you paid for it through taxes — at a MUCH higher rate than you pay now. It has been part of the social contract for a long time and has built up a lot of things that you now take for granted.

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    lc purple raider bloviates:

    I know that this is kinda lost on you, but you live your current life of luxury because people before you paid for it through taxes — at a MUCH higher rate than you pay now. It has been part of the social contract for a long time and has built up a lot of things that you now take for granted.

    I know that this is kind of lost on you, but it ain’t YOUR FUCKING MONEY, you Marxist Pussy.

    You don’t even have the balls to steal the money, you have the fucking government to steal it for you.

    Theft is theft, no matter who does it, or for whatever benefit.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    lc purple raider said the following:

    I know that this is kind of lost on you, but it ain’t YOUR FUCKING MONEY, you Marxist Pussy.

    It isn’t your money either. It belongs to the government, because that is the social contract that was made long before you came on the scene.

    You are already paying less in federal taxes today than at any other time in history percentage-wise. Yet that isn’t good enough for you. You won’t be happy until you don’t have to pay anything.

    I’ll tell you what, why don’t you pack up your belongings and move to Darfur? There are no taxes and you can be sure the government won’t interfere with your life. You can pull yourself up by your bootstraps over there and leave the rest of us alone.

  12. 12
    lc purple raider bloviates:

    It isn’t your money either. It belongs to the government, because that is the social contract that was made long before you came on the scene.

    Spare me your sanctimonious Bolshevik drivel. The government has not, is not, and never will create anything.

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    YGBSM bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    I’m just stating a basic fact.

    By all means let’s talk facts. You insist that I, a mere heterosexual, just don’t have the ability to detect navy homosexuals at NAS Whidbey near as good as I think I do. Well, I don’t bat a thousand at that for sure (never claimed I did) but you don’t know me and you are therefore wrong.

    That’s that, but what about my aforementioned son’s ability to detect his fellow gays? In attempting to take me to task you forgot allllll about him. Gosh, I wonder why? Hmmm….well, it will come to me I’m sure.
    Anyhoo, not only is he gay, he’s smart ! Let’s see now….he’s an MD, speaks about half a dozen languages and plays that many instruments as well. (Got all that from his mother I assure you)
    Oh, I just figured out why you ignored his statements when you attempted a rebut to my previous post: Goes like this: With my son’s big brain, skills of perception, medical practice at the base hospital AND being homosexual, most people are going to believe him regarding gays at NAS Whidbey Island and not you.

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    Emperor Misha I bloviates:

    What fucking “social contract?”

    The only social contract I entered into was for me to pay to keep our nation safe, our contracts enforced and that’s just about it. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention an obligation for me to pay the Fed to keep midnight basketball programs running, to pay money to those who can’t, or worse, WON’T work, to pay trillions to agencies determining for me that CO2, also known as “plant food”, is “pollution”, to police what I can and cannot say (the First Amendment is actually quite a bit against that), to regulate the amount of water I can flush when I pull the handle on my toilet, to mandate how many miles my car is supposed to get on the gallon etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    I WILL pay for what is actually enumerated in the Constitution as part of that “social contract” of yours, but every single fucking penny above and beyond that is nothing short of fucking THEFT and we WILL reach the point where We The People will react to thieves the way you’re supposed to.

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    Emperor Misha I bloviates:

    My point being that I’m not necessarily opposed to the every single idea regarding funding, but we have an amendment process designed to deal with that. The Constitution is not immutable, but if you want to change it, you have to follow procedure. You can’t just “interpret” your way to your desired result through penumbras and emanations.

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    SDN bloviates:

    It isn’t your money either. It belongs to the government, because that is the social contract that was made long before you came on the scene.

    You are already paying less in federal taxes today than at any other time in history percentage-wise. Yet that isn’t good enough for you. You won’t be happy until you don’t have to pay anything.

    I’ll tell you what, why don’t you pack up your belongings and move to Darfur? There are no taxes and you can be sure the government won’t interfere with your life. You can pull yourself up by your bootstraps over there and leave the rest of us alone.

    DJ, the social compact used to include slavery. I want to thank you for pointing out that you and the rest of the Copperheads think it still should. The difference between plantation and collective is pure semantics.

    Misha, I want you to read this carefully. I’m aware that you think DJ is a reasonably OK guy; you trust him with the site, etc. But he’s a liberal. He’s just admitted that, and he’s also pointed out a basic fact: if you value your freedom, you can’t live in the same country with them. If you do, then link by link they will put the chains on you. Each increment you don’t fight for will simply be used as the beachhead for the next encroachment.

    There is only one solution. Sam Adams expressed it best when he said that the Tories who wanted to continue to live under the far lighter yoke of King George could no longer be considered our countrymen. After the revolution, that policy was implemented, and the Tories were forced to leave for Canada.

    It will have to happen again. Because Mr. Allyn has expressed perfectly that his philosophy justifies owning other people to order the world the way he wants it. And freedom is not part of the equation.

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    MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster bloviates:

    Response to SDN @:

    Whereas DJ and I have trouble agreeing on damn near anything, he actually is a bit more conservative/libertarian than he appears. He just stirs the pot. I agree that for the most part he’s a flaming liberal. He also is a “equal opportunity” basher of anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

    He is allowed his opinions just as the rest of us normal people(Muzzy……this statement of mine does not make you anything resembling normal).

    Just my opinion……….Semper Fi

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    MasterGuns Imperial Swampmaster bloviates:

    And by the way, I refuse to accept the premise that I have a “social contract” with any asswipe in DC. I am a CITIZEN……..not a damned contractor.

    My government doesn’t owe me a friggin thing except my retirement check(that was a contract between me and it). The American people at large owe me nothing. I owe nothing to anyone unless I choose to. I do not object to taxes that are responsible for maintaining what Congress is required to do as stated in the Constitution………I object strongly to my taxes paying for what is normally BS given out mostly to keep the votes so my so-called representatives can remain in office.

    ’nuff said……Semper Fi

  19. 19
    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    lc purple raider said the following:

    Spare me your sanctimonious Bolshevik drivel. The government has not, is not, and never will create anything.

    Yet it provides you the opportunity to drivel here.

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    The only social contract I entered into was for me to pay to keep our nation safe, our contracts enforced and that’s just about it.

    The United States of America didn’t start the moment you raised your right hand, Misha (which I am guessing occurred about the same time that Reagan was in office) so you really don’t have a yardstick to gauge by, since we’ve pretty much been in a decline ever since.

    Constitutional? Seriously? The Constitution gives Congress the ability and the responsibility to create laws based upon the needs of our nation at the time. It is basically a framework in which to procedurally operate, while also giving citizens a list of rights that protected them against government abuse. The collection of taxes being one of those areas, and what to do with those taxes being another.

    We, The People, get to choose how our legislation is shaped through regular elections. The fact that we have taxes and the programs to spend that tax revenue on is in direct correlation as to how We The People vote. Should a majority of people want to do away with programs like Social Security, then it will be done because a majority of people voted to have it end.

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention [___Fill in Blank___]

    I won’t to into the obvious that not one of those existed at the time (unless you are suggesting we all shed ourselves of any and all technology and trappings that didn’t exist in 1789 and live exactly like they did back then.) But they did realize at that time that things would change and that they couldn’t possibly include everything past, present and future into a single, simple document, which is precisely why they created a Congress made up of the elected representatives of We the People to deal with all of the small shit.

    Nowhere in the Constitution is there any talk about the Internet that your tax dollars paid to develop. Nor is there anywhere in the Constitution that paid for the power transmission lines to rural areas and connect them to other areas. Nowhere in the Constitution is there anything that provides the highway system that your wonderful new P71 can barrel down, sucking up 22 mpg of regulated gasoline. There isn’t anywhere in the Constitution that protects you from getting drinking water directly from your neighbor’s toilet that flushes three gallons per flush.

    Yet each of those laws falls within the framework of the Constitution that doesn’t specifically list each one of them.

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    My point being that I’m not necessarily opposed to the every single idea regarding funding, but we have an amendment process designed to deal with that.

    Let’s use our heads, shall we? The founding fathers realized that they couldn’t possibly codify each and every thing in the Constitution without it eventually ending up to be thirty volumes or more. It is why the Congress was given that power and responsibility.

    If you can convince enough people to do something, then they will elect people to make that happen. But expect it to take a while.

    SDN said the following:

    DJ, the social compact used to include slavery.

    Yes it did, and guess what, it was eventually changed. Why? Because we evolved — and have been evolving since the beginning.

    SDN said the following:

    Misha, I want you to read this carefully. I’m aware that you think DJ is a reasonably OK guy; you trust him with the site, etc. But he’s a liberal. He’s just admitted that, and he’s also pointed out a basic fact: if you value your freedom, you can’t live in the same country with them. If you do, then link by link they will put the chains on you. Each increment you don’t fight for will simply be used as the beachhead for the next encroachment.

    My, how dramatic you are. If you can’t live in the same country with me, then leave. I’m certainly not going anywhere. My family has been on this little plot of paradise for over a century, and before that, from around Connecticut. I can trace my father’s lineage going back to Ethan Allen.

    I find it ironic that on the one hand you want to talk about “freedom” and “liberty”, but would stifle the rights of anyone else who want’s the same thing if you disagree with them expressing it. Notice that I am not advocating your expulsion or even death for voicing YOUR opinions.

    Without opposition, you have no governor, and you will eventually end up on the extreme side of one thing or another. Without the Left, the Right would end up pegged to the Right and vice-versa. Without Libertarians, we would end up Authoritarian and vice versa. Opposition keeps things honest.

    MasterGuns pretty much pegs it @ 17:

    Whereas DJ and I have trouble agreeing on damn near anything, he actually is a bit more conservative/libertarian than he appears. He just stirs the pot. I agree that for the most part he’s a flaming liberal. He also is a “equal opportunity” basher of anyone that doesn’t agree with him.

    Yes, I make you THINK about it. You don’t have to agree with anything I say — I don’t require it. But I do like you to defend or at least articulate your position.

    What a lot of people here seem to miss is that I am not necessarily advocating anything. I offer a counter opinion and if your position is a stronger one, then convince me. Calling me names or some kind of personal attack isn’t convincing me of anything except that person doesn’t have a valid argument.

    I am here to be a foil. If you have a question as to what a foil is, look it up.

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    lc purple raider bloviates:

    Yet it provides you the opportunity to drivel here.

    Actually it doesn’t.

    My family has been on this little plot of paradise for over a century, and before that, from around Connecticut. I can trace my father’s lineage going back to Ethan Allen.

    I thought you were Canadian-Iranian-Israeli-Leftist.

    So you really are a northeast corridor Marxist.

    What a lot of people here seem to miss is that I am not necessarily advocating anything. I offer a counter opinion and if your position is a stronger one, then convince me. Calling me names or some kind of personal attack isn’t convincing me of anything except that person doesn’t have a valid argument.

    You are advocating many things here.

    For example, you wanted government owned healthcare, despite all the reams and volumes of evidence that government owned healthcare doesn’t work, dehumanizes the individual, and gives the government the power to decide who lives or dies.

    We pointed out country after country, which either let people suffer, let people die, or stopped treatment because it was not “cost effective”.

    You called us uninformed knuckle dragging Nazis.

    So, I did a little research.

    Anything you have espoused on this blog has been lifted (not quite word for word) from various Leftist web sites. The list is too long for me to quote you on right now, but rest assured, given time and a generous donation from you, I can find exact quotes.

    So, I have come to the conclusion that you are a person that is hoping for a Marxist utopia, where all are equal, but you hope that you will be more equal than others.

    BTW, I will take you up on moving to Darfur. You are so kind to pay me $5 million dollars a year to let me escape into a Marxist hellhole.

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    LC TerribleTroy bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    I am here to be a foil.

    Would that be tin foil? As in “hat.”? :em93:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Should a majority of people want to do away with programs like Social Security, then it will be done because a majority of people voted to have it end.

    Just like ObamaCare and illegal immigration? Just those two examples alone lay question to your premise. And you wonder why people are unhappy? Look at the shit the lame duck congress TRIED to pull.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    We, The People, get to choose how our legislation is shaped through regular elections.

    Bzzzt. Wrong. There are several alphabet agencies that have been given UNELECTED power to levy taxes and fines. I believe it’s the EPA that is planning on doing so even without CONGRESSIONAL approval.

    I don’t think that our Constitution provides for that.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    IMO, anyone who claims allegiance to two (at least) different countries has no business preaching to us about what our Constitution says. Make your choice. In my view, if you’re not an American citizen ONLY, you’re a traitor.

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    LC PrimEviL bloviates:

    Response to DJ Allyn, ITW @#11:
    A contract requires all Parties to act in good faith. Given the unconstitutional, extra-legal, and outright illegal abuses of authority over the last fifty years, a case could well be made that the Government, all branches, at all levels, is in breach of contract. Therefore, the contract becomes null and void.

    Additionally, a contract assumes all Parties are willing partners. I didn’t sign any friggin’ contract, nor am I bound by deals I didn’t make.

    The assumption of said contract by the ruling elite is nothing more than Royalist hubris, which the Colonies fought a war of secession against the Crown to divest themselves of. We are not Crown Subjects by birth, and the self-entitled neo-royalist ruling class in this
    country can stuff it.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    lc purple raider said the following:

    Actually it doesn’t.

    Sure it does. Without tax dollars, there wouldn’t have been such a thing as the Internet, or a whole number of conveniences that you take for granted today. Your precious “free market” would never have electrified the nation, built the highway system, put a man on the moon (which, incidentally, gave us all sorts of technology that you take for granted today.

    lc purple raider said the following:

    I thought you were Canadian-Iranian-Israeli-Leftist.

    My mother’s family is from Iran, with some family currently in Israel. My father’s family came out from Connecticut over a hundred years ago. I just happened to be born in Canada while my parents were visiting some family up there. If I had only waited another day, I would have been born right here in this house like my brothers and sisters. As far as a “Leftist” goes, not as much as you might think. Of course anyone who is even slightly to the Right of what you might think is some commie pinko.

    lc purple raider said the following:

    You are advocating many things here.

    Not quite. I am throwing a lot of things out here. I play a lot of devil’s advocate. I could just as easily argue the hard Right position, but what fun would that be?

    lc purple raider said the following:

    For example, you wanted government owned healthcare, despite all the reams and volumes of evidence that government owned healthcare doesn’t work, dehumanizes the individual, and gives the government the power to decide who lives or dies.

    And I can tell you from experience that I use a government system and I am quite alive and kicking — even though I have had multiple health issues that would NEVER have been covered under the US system. Is it perfect? Of course not, but it has worked for me.

    lc purple raider said the following:

    Anything you have espoused on this blog has been lifted (not quite word for word) from various Leftist web sites. The list is too long for me to quote you on right now, but rest assured, given time and a generous donation from you, I can find exact quotes.

    Really? Maybe they are copying me. I wouldn’t know, because the only political website I bother to visit any more is this one. I just don’t have the time to doddle on this shit. I put in sixteen or eighteen hour days oftentimes and the only real time I have to devote to this stuff is while I am on the train most of the time.

    LC TerribleTroy said the following:

    Just like ObamaCare and illegal immigration? Just those two examples alone lay question to your premise.

    Obama ran on health care reform. So did a lot of the Congress. What we got was a friggin’ mess. So yes, a lot of people are upset over what we got. Some for YOUR reasons, others for entirely different reasons.

    So we have a new House majority. The question is, will it hold, or will it flip back in two years? It is fifty-fifty at the moment, it could go either way. Be expecting a major blowup within the Right over the next few months as two forces collide. It will be interesting to watch.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    Bzzzt. Wrong. There are several alphabet agencies that have been given UNELECTED power to levy taxes and fines.

    *sigh* Read your Constitution. It is all in there.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    IMO, anyone who claims allegiance to two (at least) different countries has no business preaching to us about what our Constitution says.

    Because YOU say so? I can claim allegiance to any number of countries as I see fit, and be well within my rights. Especially since the three countries in which I hold citizenship in are all allies.

    FYI – I have probably forgotten more Constitutional law than you will ever know.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    you’re a traitor.

    I will refrain from calling you the name you deserve — only because you cry like a fucking baby whenever someone calls you a name. Especially the one that I have in mind.

    Instead, I will bite: a “traitor” how? Do expand upon that. How has anything I’ve done equal that of a traitor?

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    lc purple raider bloviates:

    Without tax dollars, there wouldn’t have been such a thing as the Internet, or a whole number of conveniences that you take for granted today. Your precious “free market” would never have electrified the nation, built the highway system, put a man on the moon (which, incidentally, gave us all sorts of technology that you take for granted today.

    Actually, the internet was expanded by the private market.

    Private industry electrified the nation.

    And private industry put a man on the moon.

    Government didn’t build the electric grid, or built the rockets, space capsules, or space shuttles, private industry did.

    As far as a “Leftist” goes, not as much as you might think. Of course anyone who is even slightly to the Right of what you might think is some commie pinko.

    When I say you are a Marxist, it is not name calling, it is an accurate description of the perp.

    And I can tell you from experience that I use a government system and I am quite alive and kicking — even though I have had multiple health issues that would NEVER have been covered under the US system.

    And yet you get most (if not all) of your treatment in the US. It must be a miracle that you are still living after the substandard care you get here.

    *sigh* Read your Constitution. It is all in there.

    The Constitution doesn’t account for unelected agencies that pass regulations.

    But you keep thinking the Constitution allows for the EPA.

    I can claim allegiance to any number of countries as I see fit, and be well within my rights. Especially since the three countries in which I hold citizenship in are all allies.

    But you are not an American. Like Obama, you are an anti-American.

    You do not believe in the power of the individual, but believe only in what your government provides for you.

    You do not believe in the spirit of American Exceptionalism, that all men are created equal, to reach for the brass ring.

    And, you are still a Marxist.

    And remember, I’m not calling you a name, it’s an accurate description of the perp.

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    Emperor Misha I bloviates:

    Whoa, everybody back up the truck on the “traitor” bit here. Treason is a pretty hefty charge not to be cheapened by throwing it in any direction you see fit, and it’s a charge based on actual actions.

    As such, I’m a traitor. Yeah, you heard me right. Not to the U.S., but to my native country.

    You see, I willingly, without coercion, in full command of my senses, in front of G-d and several hundred witnesses, stood up and renounced any and all allegiance, loyalty etc. to the country that gave me birth and shaped the man I became. You think that was easy? It was the hardest damn thing I ever did and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.

    But, undeniably, as a result my former countrymen would be perfectly within their rights and the definition of the word to call me a traitor. Yet somehow they never did, at least not anybody I’ve talked to since I took the Oath. A gracious bunch, they are.

    So I have a bit of a hard time throwing “treason” charges at somebody just because they happen to disagree with me. I’ll call them every other fucking name in the book as I’m sure you’ve all learned over the years, but it takes a bit more than a misguided opinion on something for me to drag that particular word out of the ammo box.

    Thatisall.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    I will refrain from calling you the name you deserve — only because you cry like a fucking baby whenever someone calls you a name. Especially the one that I have in mind.

    Hit too close to home, I see. And what makes you think I was referring to YOU, directly? There are plenty of people who hold dual citizenships. You sure are full of yourself, aren’t you? And you can’t call me any name I haven’t already heard.

    Besides, why are YOU crying about it? You’ve said before that you don’t let these things bother you. So, were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    Mish, Re: dual citizenship. First, I said that was my OPINION. The selfsame Constitution that DJ is throwing up in our faces guarantees me the right to it. Secondly, no man can serve two masters. Suppose you are a citizen of both the US and Denmark, and they no longer are allies. With whom do you side? The country of your birth, or the country where you are now living? Sometimes we have to choose.

    I personally don’t believe that anyone should be allowed dual citizenship. To me (READ: IN MY OPINION), it cheapens the value of both citizenships.

  29. 29
    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    Emperor Misha I said the following:

    but it takes a bit more than a misguided opinion on something

    And it’s misguided to you only because you see it differently, and, as with all opinions, you are entitled to believe that it’s misguided. :em04:

  30. 30
    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    FYI – I have probably forgotten more Constitutional law than you will ever know.

    Well la dee da. That’s very likely true. I never purported to be an expert on the Constitution or Constitutional law. Since YOU obviously are, please cite the part of the document that provides for the unelected alphabet agencies being given the power to circumvent congress to levy fines and taxes.

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    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing bloviates:

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    please cite the part of the document that provides for the unelected alphabet agencies being given the power to circumvent congress to levy fines and taxes.

    You need to see it as a” living document ” to appreciate all the vast powers of unelected agencies.

    A.T.F. should be a convenient store not a government agency

  32. 32
    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing said the following:

    You need to see it as a” living document ” to appreciate all the vast powers of unelected agencies.

    Ah, so Section 8 which says:

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

    really says: The Congress (and the president and anyone whom the president designates whether elected or not) shall have the Power To lay and collect Taxes…

    And, I suppose that while it does say that congress has the power, since it DOESN’T say that the alphabets DON’T, then we can interpret it to mean that they can…

  33. 33
    Lc ORWN engine builder for Rottie Racing bloviates:

    Response to Grammar Czar @32:

    NOW YOUR GETTING IT :em99:

  34. 34
    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    Hit too close to home, I see. And what makes you think I was referring to YOU, directly?

    Not at all. I personally don’t care what you call me. And yes, you WERE referring to me, otherwise you never would have mentioned it. Try to be just a bit more honest here.

    I responded because it is you who gets your panties bunched up if someone calls you a name, or somehow “offends” you. That is why I pointed it out. Otherwise I could have just said that you had the brains of a cow and moved on. But that would have “offended” you, and we would have had to hear you whining, squeaking and complaining about how insensitive I am for describing you that way. You’ve done it before.

    And it would have been lost on you that it was you who called me a name.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    Mish, Re: dual citizenship. First, I said that was my OPINION. The selfsame Constitution that DJ is throwing up in our faces guarantees me the right to it.

    Yes, it is your opinion. Just like the orifice on you pointing south. My point is that if YOU are going to start labeling me as a traitor, then you first should develop a thicker skin because I am liable to come back with it much harder. I am only trying to save you the trouble.

    Secondly, no man can serve two masters

    Who says I am serving ANY masters? I know that for many people like you, you have to have this thing, or being above you to guide you. I don’t have such a need for a “master” — I am my own master — a master of one. I decide MY destiny.

    During the Vietnam war, I wasn’t serving this country, I was serving in Israel. Why? Because it was a just cause, and I still carry around some of the metal from my wounds. I have citizenship in Israel (as do all Jews) but that doesn’t make me back them in everything. In fact, I have some serious differences with Israel right now.

    . Suppose you are a citizen of both the US and Denmark, and they no longer are allies. With whom do you side? The country of your birth, or the country where you are now living? Sometimes we have to choose.

    I am a citizen of Canada by the happenstance of birth. I was born at a time when a choice was not required — but now it is. Because I am grandfathered I am allowed to retain both citizenships — the Canadian one mostly for convenience. But I am American by virtue of the fact that both of my parents were American actually residing in America at the time.

    The fact of the matter is that both Canada and the US are NOT enemies, so it isn’t something I would have to choose.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    I personally don’t believe that anyone should be allowed dual citizenship.

    I personally don’t believe that you should have any say in it. Oh wait, you don’t.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    And, I suppose that while it does say that congress has the power, since it DOESN’T say that the alphabets DON’T, then we can interpret it to mean that they can…

    Are you really that dense? I mean, I was just kidding about the cow part, but seriously?

    Congress created the IRS specifically to collect the taxes. The IRS or any of the other “alphabets” didn’t create the tax code — Congress did. The IRS just enforces the code, just like the FBI enforces the criminal code.

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    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Congress created the IRS specifically to collect the taxes. The IRS or any of the other “alphabets” didn’t create the tax code — Congress did. The IRS just enforces the code, just like the FBI enforces the criminal code.

    And you are DELIBERATELY being obtuse here. I specifically mentioned the EPA…which is circumventing Congress to levy taxes on the American people. IIRC, Congress has not given them approval, but Obama has…just disregarding the checks and balances that his administration has come to excel atT.

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Are you really that dense? I mean, I was just kidding about the cow part, but seriously?

    It’s called sarcasm, DJ.

  36. 36
    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    I personally don’t believe that you should have any say in it. Oh wait, you don’t.

    Wrong again. It’s called voting.

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    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    I specifically mentioned the EPA…which is circumventing Congress to levy taxes on the American people.

    Show me how they are doing that. I will bet that you will find there has been legislation passed giving them that authority. If they haven’t, it will be in court pretty damn quick.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    It’s called sarcasm, DJ.

    I know.

    Grammar Czar said the following:

    Wrong again. It’s called voting.

    Vote for what? You can’t take away my American citizenship, nor can you take away my Canadian or Israeli citizenship. In case you don’t understand the law, I am covered by the law at the time of my birth, you cannot create an ex post facto situation down the road.

    The law at that time did not require me to make a choice by the age of 21 like it is now. That was changed in 1952 for those of us with Canadian and American combinations. For people with American and Israel combinations you aren’t required to choose at all, since the Israeli citizenship is a passive one, granted to all Jewish people.

    But nice try.

    Like I said, my citizenship with Canada is mostly a convenience for me. I currently work in Canada, and I take advantage of a health care system that will treat me with pre-existing conditions.

    But for the most part, I do 99.9 percent of my life American. I can attest that I pay a FAR greater percentage of my income to taxes than most of you do, since I pay the piper in two countries. It just works out for me, that’s all.

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    YGBSM bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Yes, I make you THINK about it.

    Dear Sir:
    Just because you get a reply to one of your missives, don’t automatically assume said missive required any serious thought for a reply !

  39. 39
    Grammar Czar bloviates:

    DJ Allyn, ITW said the following:

    Show me how they are doing that. I will bet that you will find there has been legislation passed giving them that authority. If they haven’t, it will be in court pretty damn quick.

    From Congress.org, a letter from Kay Bailey Hutchison:

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=542&letter_id=6287937471

    Two key quotes: “Your agency is circumventing the role of Congress. With heavy input from constituents, Congress has already rejected attempts to use cap-and-trade to force fuel prices higher with costly new greenhouse gas mandates on the American people. A report entitled Climate Change Legislation: A $3.6 Trillion Gas Tax authored by myself and Senator Bond calculated the cost of the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill on gasoline, diesel and jet fuel prices using publicly available government figures.”

    and

    “This effort by the administration would be imposing its own backdoor carbon regulations.”

  40. 40
    DJ Allyn, ITW bloviates:

    YGBSM said the following:

    Just because you get a reply to one of your missives, don’t automatically assume said missive required any serious thought for a reply !

    That is apparent from some of the replies. “Thinking” is a foreign concept for some.

    Response to Grammar Czar @ 39:

    Skye, without reading the proposed regulations being written by the EPA, I can tell you that any and all regulations developed and published in the Federal Register are based on existing legislation, and carefully researched to make sure that they comply with current legislation. There has to be some kind of existing authority already in place for a certain regulation to be implemented. Without that legal reference to existing legislation, a regulation is not valid.

    You already know how legislation becomes a law, but do you know how that law gets implemented? The agency responsible for the implementation sits down and writes up detailed regulations which get approved by the agency heads and then published in the Federal Register. (some real interesting reading can be found there, if you ever get bored). Each regulation written has to explain its legal authority in depth, including legal reviews. An agency cannot just pull a regulation out of its ass and implement it.

    The Kay Bailey Hutchison letter is an opinion of a Senator, not an actual ruling. It is really no different than a letter written by any number of Senators or Representatives to other branches of government when that agency is doing something a particular individual or group of Congresscritters disapprove of. They always scream of the “end run around” Congress.

    But let’s look at one of these quotes, shall we?

    “With heavy input from constituents, Congress has already rejected attempts to use cap-and-trade to force fuel prices higher with costly new greenhouse gas mandates on the American people.” [emphasis mine]

    Congress hasn’t “rejected” anything of the sort. A minority of Senators placed a filibuster on it and there wasn’t a super-majority of Senators to break that filibuster to even get a vote on it. So it hasn’t been “rejected” at all. Just blocked by the minority.

    Hopefully, the Dems will finally find their spine next week and change the Senate rules to force any future filibusters to be the “Mr Smith Goes To Washington” type of filibuster. Then people will really see what is going on.

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