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Since, we’ve had a number of plans, none of which worked out, we’ll be home tonight, with no family or company about, just the normal studio gang. Anyhoo, in keeping with a tradition I think I started last year we’ll do some radio for the peeps that take the safe way of seeing the New Year in.

I’ll be on on airwaves from about 10:00pm CT running a mix of what I feel like running and of course taking requests. Just hit me on the “tuesdaytruth” yahoo IM. We’ll have some staff at hand to try our best to get what you want rolling.

Carry-On and thanks for the continuing support of RadioCIA !!!!

Update from the Imperial Tobacconist:  This is your official New Year’s Eve OPEN THREAD!

239 Responses to “How About A Little Tuneage To Bring In The New Year ?”

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    DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    Reagan did something ‘fantastic’? Do tell!

    Oh, I know everyone here claims he single-handedly brought an end to the Cold War, but the Soviets had been on the verge of collapse for a long time.

    They sure had been. I should know, and I did. Only couldn’t talk about it too much at the time. Still, no matter how badly an apple cart is teetering, it still takes somebody to give it the final push that tips it over, and that’s what Reagan did. Would the Soviet Union have collapsed on its own? Sure it would. About, maybe, three or four decades down the road and who knows under which circumstances? Ronnie saw his chance and he gave the rotten corpse a push. I know it rankles you that it wasn’t a Democrat doing it but, seriously, do you see Jimmuh Cah’duh or Billy Jeff going against the grain of “conventional wisdom” like the Gipper did?

    I mean, really. I was on the Gipper’s side in that fight, but even I had serious misgivings about his confrontational posture. At the time, I fully expected Ivan to go ballistic because of it. Turns out that Ronnie was right and I was wrong. He called the bluff at the exact right time.

    DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    But as he “brought and end to the cold war”, he does what all modern-day Republicans do: spend money we don’t have, and borrow against the next generation.

    As somebody who’d spent his entire life under the dark cloud of communism right next door only to see it lifted all of a sudden, I’ll say it was worth it. And I’m proud to be a citizen of the nation that pulled it off so I can pay my share of the cost now. It’s the least I can do for the “yanks” that ended a nightmare that had lasted all of my life. I didn’t KNOW “peace of mind” until the Gipper finished off those assholes. Can you imagine what that’s like, Deej? I mean, really, I’m not being snarky here at all, but the feeling after the Wall and the Soviet Union fell was so strange that for a while I thought I’d lost my mind. I just couldn’t relate to my own feelings, because I’d never known that feeling before.

    So yes, I revere the Gipper for that and I shall until the day that I die. He bought me something that was so unknown to me that I didn’t even know how to wish for it.

    And, for the record, if it HAD been a Democrat who’d been President at the time, I’d hold HIM in the same high regard.

    I’m no fan of Kennedy’s, for instance, but I’ll forever respect him for standing up to Nikita during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Volumes have been written about how “dangerous” and “unwise” that decision was, and I don’t give a shit. He had it when it counted and he told the commie cunts to go shove it. They backed off. I respect courage like that no matter where it comes from.

    DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    homas? The man reads magazines during arguments. He probably hasn’t personally written an opinion of his own in years, leaving such tasks to his law clerks. He asks no questions,

    That one always gets brought up. I read his answer when he was asked a question about that, and although I can’t remember it verbatim, I still respect it. It amounted to “if everybody else have already asked the questions on my mind and there’s nothing left for me to wonder about, why the fuck waste everybody’s time by getting a few inane questions that I don’t give a fuck about on the transcript, just to show ‘how much I care?’”

    I can relate to that. I’ve sat in meetings on boards, committees, whatnot with the kind of fuckwits that just have to say something even though it’s utterly irrelevant and has already been addressed, just so they can get their ignorant names into the minutes. It wastes everybody’s time and if I had a penny for every time I’ve wanted to personally strangle one of those nitwit imbeciles for keeping me stuck there with their massive ignorance and narcissism, I’d be having a Lear Jet for every day of the week.

    And, for the record, Justice Thomas has written numerous opinions and they’re all quite good. He just isn’t a self-aggrandizing bullshit artist like so many morons in public life.DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    But as far as two people who should connect to the black community? There is no connection. There is no reach out — it is as if they turned their backs.

    They did. They turned their backs on whining about being “victims” every time things didn’t go their way. They turned their backs on feeling “entitled” to free stuff that the rest of us have to work our fingers to the bone for. They turned their backs on thinking that they were second-class humans who couldn’t accomplish anything on their own without preferential treatment. They turned their backs on all of that and proved that they were right.

    Good for them.DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    And about the “singularly unqualified” remark, he is demonstrating something entirely different when it comes to leading. Most people — seven out of ten — are pretty impressed with his leadership skills so far.

    Seven out of ten people wouldn’t recognize “leadership” if it jumped into their La-Z-Boy, turned off Days of Our Lives and bit one of their chins off. And before you say anything, I’m not merely in the 30th percentile, I’m in the 2nd.

    All that aside, I’m not saying for sure that your boy won’t ever show leadership skills, that’s in the future and I don’t have a crystal ball, but so far he hasn’t show as much as a shadow of it. All he’s done is re-appoint the entire Clinton Administration, something that my 7-year-olds could have done without breaking an intellectual sweat.

    Once he accomplishes something concrete get back to me and we’ll talk about that. Until now, he’s only proven that he’s having trouble handling a press conference without getting pissy and he’s not even in the Hot Seat yet. I’m hoping he grows with the office, for ALL of our sakes.

    DJ Allyn, ITW sez:

    But the Republicans need to get their collective shit together. If they’re not careful, they run the danger of becoming a regional party.

    We agree on that, though probably not for the same reasons. The Republicans have got to stop thinking they can win elections by being Democrats. We already HAVE a Democrat Party. We don’t need two. They also need to quit trying to outspend the Democrats on entitlements. If there’s one criticism that the left have right about the Bush Administration, it’s their insane spending orgies. Not because the loony left wouldn’t be only too happy to spend money like crazy too, but when you manage to outspend the Clinton Administration, you have a problem, and Booooosh managed to do that many times over.

    Yeah, I’d actually take 8 more years of Clinton over 8 more years of what the Republican Party has become.

    It would be cheaper, that’s for sure.

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    … And another thing….. dont mind the man behind the curtain… that wasnt Bush on his weekly radio adress telling Hamas and the rest of the idiots out there to fuck off.. that was someone else. Oh and that wasnt Bush who told out UN security representatives to block that “resolution” regarding the Hamas and Isreali conflict.

    The “people” support Hama? Yes .. at gunpoint.. Hamas controls all goods that enter gaza in regards to distribution… so if you dont support em.. makes it a bit more challenging to eat… and breathe for that matter. DJ knows that they are the equivalent of the MOB runnng amuck wearing the cloak of religion.

    And maybe .. just maybe Isreal wouldnt have been interdicting supply routes if WEAPONS hadnt been coming in… and where is the outrage regarding who purchased and provided the weapons to Hamas?

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    LC Anniee451 says:
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    I was actually referring to Reagan ushering in the longest sustained economic boom in our country’s history (’til Bush toppled it with his “no” new taxes.)

    But the fall of the Soviet Union was pretty good too.

    Here’s some mandatory reading on that topic: http://mises.org/story/3105

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    LC Anniee451 says:
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    Rut Roh – Moderated? This must have been a bad weekend. Sorry for whatever it was, Misha.

    [Give it time, Annie. Looks like there still may be some bugs to work out, no worries. -The Management™]

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    LC Anniee451 says:
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    Oh thank goodness; thought I was bad bad bad. And trust me I don’t want to do that here. (Now that isn’t to imply that I’m GOOD heheh.)

    Allyn: I was actually referring to Reagan ushering in the longest sustained economic boom in our country’s history (’til Bush toppled it with his “no” new taxes.)

    But the fall of the Soviet Union was pretty good too.

    Here’s some mandatory reading on that topic: http://mises.org/story/3105

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    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    The magic mulatto has made speeches on the economy, on Mumbai, and on various other issues, even though he still has 15 days.

    I wonder, could you have said the same thing without pointing out his racial makeup? Just askin’.

    But in answer to your statement, we already have a president and according to some here, a spectacular Secretary of State. Granted, both are ineffective as usual, but I can just imagine the “outrage” from you and others here if Obama were to attempt to insert himself fifteen days early. His words have to be weighed carefully right now so as not to encroach on the current constitutionally-empowered administration and whatever their ‘policies’ are at the moment.

    But hey, you knew that, didn’t you?

    Why should he be silent now? Hmmmm…maybe because he’s been caught with his britches down, and doesn’t quite know what to do.

    Because he is not officially able to speak as the United States yet. As far as someone not knowing quite what to do, go ask President Chuckles. It appears that both he and his SecState are just counting their days down. Besides, there is still some looting of the treasury left to do in the next two weeks…

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    My guess he’s waiting till Hitlery is confirmed, and he’ll send in a MAN to do a boy’s work.

    Hmmm, “boy”. Clever. Are you sure I shouldn’t be reading more into that?

    But yes, Hillary would be the person he would send over there, since she would be SecState, and that would be … well, like her job.

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    And from now on, I will refer to him as the Magic Mulatto, since he really IS mulatto, despite this fixation about his blackness from those on the left.

    Should I refer to you as the “Silly Female” from now on? Since you really ARE female. I mean, it doesn’t really add anything to the conversation except to constantly point out your gender as if that really means anything. But hey, when in Rome…

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    Jay,

    I think you messed up the order. Republicans (especially W.) should be listed first. After all, he’s the cause of every problem in the whole entire world.

    Well, since it is YOUR list, I suppose you can choose the order of placement. I suspect that GWB is going to be high on that list — the RNC has been actively distancing itself from the Administration since about this time last year. McCain was the only one who tried to tell us how different he was from Bush while at the same time supporting each of his policies.

    lc purple raider sez:

    In Louisiana, the last 3 candidates with a D next to their names all embraced the sacrament of abortion wholeheartedly. That doesn’t play well in Louisiana.

    Sacrament? You mean as a religious ceremony, sanctioned by God?

    First off, none of them “embraced” abortion. In fact, each of them had a personal or even a religious objection to abortion. Each called for a time when there wouldn’t be a need for abortion, but the stopped short of making it illegal.

    Now check this out: For six of the past eight years, Republicans have had total control of the Executive and Legislative Branches of our government. They have also had a majority in the Judicial branch, albeit, a shaky one. Have you noticed that abortion is still legal in this country even though ever swinging dicked Republican campaigned against abortion?

    You have been duped.

    Republicans realized back during Reagan that all they had to do was bring up the topic of abortion, make a bunch of promises, and they would have a solid bloc of voters in their pocket. Abortion is THE largest source of money for the RNC. The RNC realizes that if abortion were to go away, the Republican Party would go away with it.

    Ehrenstein conviently covered up Obama’s past so that the public was fooled into thinking he has no baggage.

    He did? The only “baggage” Obama has is what you’ve manufactured for him. All the fake scandals — each easily debunked.

    lc purple raider sez:

    Supplies like C-4, rockets, guns, ammo, homicide bombers.

    Well, actually I was talking about the supplies that the average people in Gaza care about: food, medicine, etc. The stuff that Israel has been embargoing for the past two years. Sure, Hamas is also smuggling in arms along the same pipelines as the food and medicine.

    Israel should open up regular trade routes between Egypt and Gaza. There shouldn’t be a blockade of food or medicine. If they made food and medicine plentiful in Gaza, then Hamas would lose their support real fast. It isn’t that the people really like Hamas — they tolerate them only because they supply the necessities. It really is that simple.

    Again, the only thing Obama has led on is the sale of his senate seat. I have seen no other leadership skills.

    Except everyone in the know says Obama was never involved, and that the topic of ‘buying’ a seat was never discussed with any Obama staffer. But nice try. It is another one of your manufactured scandals that you think if it gets repeated enough it will somehow become ‘true’.

    There is no claim, there is only fact. Reagan ended the rule of your precious Soviet Union.

    Reagan did nothing of the sort. He merely helped them to the inevitable, maybe a year or two sooner. But they were failing quite nicely on their own.

    I know you dearly wanted the Soviets to win, but good triumphed over evil yet again.

    Really? Look at them now. It looks like they were only retooling. Do we credit Bush for bringing back the Soviet Union? (I remember when Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and “saw his soul”)

    I wanted the Soviets to win? They left, for a while and China took their place. Yet we are kinda like friends with China — mainly because they lend us money so we can fight unnecessary wars without having to tax ourselves. Eventually the debt will come due and the piper will want to be paid…

    Pay attention — we are going down the same road the Soviets did in the 1980s.

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    Because he is not officially able to speak as the United States yet. As far as someone not knowing quite what to do, go ask President Chuckles

    Yet that didn’t stop from comments on the economy, or Mumbai, did it? You can’t have it both ways DJ. He ISN’T president yet, and as such, he should keep his mouth shut.

    It was the left who made a big deal out of the Magic Mulatto’s race, DJ. Most of the blacks I know voted for him SIMPLY because he is black. Period. Nothing else mattered.

    And, put aside your righteous indignation about us bringing up his race all the time. HE focused on it for all of his candidacy. And, since it bothers you so much, that’s all the more reason to do it. You made no concessions to US about the names you called Bush over the past eight years.

    Should I refer to you as the “Silly Female” from now on? Since you really ARE female. I mean, it doesn’t really add anything to the conversation except to constantly point out your gender as if that really means anything. But hey, when in Rome…

    Call me whatever you wish. Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it so.

    So stuff it, DJ.

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    LC Gonzman says:
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    Really.

    You mean the seat next to the radio where you get the blatherings from YOUR ‘Massas’, Rush, Sean, and Savage, don’t you? Or maybe you don’t get the talking points directly from them but filtered down through the blogs of the other people that listen to them?

    Actually, only talk radio I get a chance to listen to is Boortz, and him once in a blue moon.

    Really, Deej. Like Hamas, make sure the ordnance is on target before ya fire it, mkay?

    “Shucking and Jiving”. Nope, no derogatory racial term there. I wonder, would you have used that term if Obama had been WASP?

    Probably not – wouldn’t have made a lick of fucking sense. If I had some ghetto white boy like Eminm I might have used a blackface or minstrel reference, but that’s as close as it comes. Hard to insult someone who isn’t black with “shuck and jive.”

    Like Bill Clinton, for example – I made jkes about “inbreeding” and “possum stomping.” Bush wrote his own material – Jorge Arbusto comes to mind.

    Like the above – gotta make sure you’re targeting properly.

    See? Some of you probably don’t even realize you’re doing it. You get yourself into the “comfort zone” of like-minded people, and you let your shields down.

    No, not at all, Deej. I absolutely realize what I am doing. I’m done pussyfooting and bowing and scraping and genuflecting to political correctness and an overblown racial hypersensitivity.

    On top of that, it’s gets lefties wound up. BONUS!

    First time some liberal asshole decided that since I wasn’t a good lil’ injun, and praying to the left that I lost my right to be offended at “Uncle Tom-Tom” was the last time I gave a fuck about being “sensitive.” It’s bogus, contrived, and hypocritical.

    It starts out small — a slip of a phrase here, or there, and other people start doing it. A little at first, and slowly the more offensive phrases start slipping out. Some of the more unabashed will post “funny” little graphics with all the stereotypes: watermelon, nappy-headed, big-lipped, dark-black caricatures.

    Like this one, Deej?

    I am sure some people here wince when they see these kinds of references, but they immediately go into defensive mode when someone is called on it.

    Does “What of it, if the shoe fits, wear it?” count as defensive?

    “Magic, or Magical Negro” (or even “Mystical Negro”) is a plot device in stories going all the way back to Chinese literature in the Tang Dynasty. The character is often a mystical stock character in fiction who, by use of special insight or powers, helps the white protagonist get out of trouble.The word negro, now considered by many as archaic and offensive, is used intentionally to suggest that the archetype is a racist throwback, an update of the “Sambo” and “savage other” stereotypes. It is the character that would be the least likely of the cast to be the one who saves the day — yet he does.

    As a writer myself, I know exactly what he is, Deej – a variation of the “Noble Savage” character; He’s safe, wiser than the civilized man, but still subservient. He lets white people like him, as he still “knows his place.” Yadda, yadda, yadda. I know exactly what the stock character is, and he fits it to a “T.” He’s also a “Mary Sue” but that’s too obscure for most, and not nearly as inflammatory.

    Go teach yer granny to suck eggs.

    The DNC put out the casting call, he answered, and has gladly played the part. While I’m tempted to use the obvious “Call a spade a spade” one liner – clever how I slipped it in anyway? – he’s not going to get away with playing the part, and being immune to criticism for it. He’s dared nothing. He’s risked nothing.

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    lc purple raider says:
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    Except everyone in the know says Obama was never involved, and that the topic of ‘buying’ a seat was never discussed with any Obama staffer. But nice try. It is another one of your manufactured scandals that you think if it gets repeated enough it will somehow become ‘true’.

    Then you don’t know anything about Chicago politics.

    The Democratic Machine allows anything: bribery, payoffs, fixing court records, questionable donations, the whole lot. The Democratic Machine allows this with 2 caveats: Don’t embarrass the Machine, and don’t get too big for your britches.

    Both Blago and Obama has done both. Blago went down, and Obama is just beginning to swirl down the drain.

    Obama is quite involved, but your lamestream media is too busy wiping semen off its face to investigate.

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    It is another one of your manufactured scandals that you think if it gets repeated enough it will somehow become ‘true’.

    You are SO DAMN HYPOCRITICAL, DJ.

    You were one of the many parroting the lies about Sarah Palin and her “grandchild,” and all the other crap that the left spewed about her.

    Give it up. You have ZERO credibility anymore. Spare us your faux outrage.

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    LC Anniee451 says:
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    DJ Allyn, let me tell you something. Back in early 2007 a certain William K Wolfrum – who has written some amazingly psychotic screeds, including denouncing an entire generation – said flat out that it would be pretty much *impossible* to criticize Barack Obama without “appearing” racist. Now personally, I would say you can criticize someone’s policies all day long and never give a damn about his/her race; I certainly do so. I’d like Clarence Thomas if he were purple, as well as Condi.

    Considering that and the fact that the word “HISTORIC” is being trumpeted from every rooftop – SIMPLY BECAUSE OF his race – then no, I don’t think it’s possible to divorce the two. And I see no need for us to pretend that it ISN’T a major and important issue at this point.

    Of course, his racial credentials count for not that much considering it isn’t like he’s from the hood or anything – he’s just as privileged as any average white person and then some. So whatever. He and his people chose to trumpet the historic black thing; now they get it back. Tit for tat. Criss-cross. Comme-ci-comme-ca!

    Sucks to be him.

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    The Democratic Machine allows anything: bribery, payoffs, fixing court records, questionable donations, the whole lot. The Democratic Machine allows this with 2 caveats: Don’t embarrass the Machine, and don’t get too big for your britches.

    Purple Raider,

    Funny how the lamestream mediots conveniently ignore just HOW the magic mulatto got himself on the state ballot to begin with. No election fraud there, nosiree.

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    LC Anniee451 says:
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    Oh, and Rush? LIMBAUGH? I’ve been listening to him since his TV show – the guy has never ONCE uttered a racist word from his seat. Never.

    He says many tongue-in-cheek jokes, but Rush? A racist? Get fucking real. He ain’t. Not even close.

    Hell, I bet his drug supplier wasn’t even white :D

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    Hell, I bet his drug supplier wasn’t even white :D

    OOOO. Yer gonna burn in liberal hell for that one! :em01: :em01: :em01: :em01: :em01: :em01:

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    Makes you wonder what decibel level that the raging hypocrite Deej would be using if it were a Republican who beat his then opponent by stealing confidential divorce records, thereby forcing them to withdraw from the race?

    Nothing to see here, nope, move along ..

    Although I DO have to say this to Jack Ryan .. You had this woman as your wife, what the HELL were you thinking by wanting to go play elsewhere?!?

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    You are assuming that HE is at fault, IC. Granted, he may be…just sayin…

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    Dj spews:

    But in answer to your statement, we already have a president and according to some here, a spectacular Secretary of State. Granted, both are ineffective as usual, but I can just imagine the “outrage” from you and others here if Obama were to attempt to insert himself fifteen days early. His words have to be weighed carefully right now so as not to encroach on the current constitutionally-empowered administration and whatever their ‘policies’ are at the moment.

    Doesn’t stop him from THIS, though, does it?

    Obama plans to unveil big tax cuts

    Excerpt:

    The revelation is part of an intricately orchestrated roll-out of the plan that includes an appearance by Obama on Capitol Hill on Monday and a major speech about the economy later in the week.

    Let’s hear it again, Dave, how we already have a president. Come on, now. Or is it only on certain issues? Damn hypocrite.

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    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    Yet that didn’t stop from comments on the economy, or Mumbai, did it? You can’t have it both ways DJ. He ISN’T president yet, and as such, he should keep his mouth shut.

    I think there is a slight difference about the economy and the condemnation of the killing of civilians in Mumbai. Both are pretty accepted and non-controversial responses that do not detract from the current administration.

    But with the Israeli/Gaza situation, he can’t be seen interfering in whatever operation or plan the current administration is working on. For him to do so would not only be wrong, but most certainly would cause people like you to have an aneurysm. Right now he is keeping his powder dry until he is Constitutionally in control of things.

    Besides, only you people on the Right have tried to tie Obama to being a) a Muslim; b) a supporter of Hamas; and c) Anti-Israel. Imagine your surprise when you FINALLY figure out that none of that was true.

    It was the left who made a big deal out of the Magic Mulatto’s race, DJ. Most of the blacks I know voted for him SIMPLY because he is black. Period. Nothing else mattered.

    Frankly, everyone was talking about it — mostly because it was the first time a man of color stood a chance of winning. He wasn’t elected because he was black, and frankly most of the black people I know could NEVER bring themselves to vote for McCain. As I have been stating all along, the fact he is black was not an asset in this race, it was something he had to overcome.

    The actual reason Obama won, was because he ran a much smarter campaign that didn’t spend most of its time being negative. Obama’s campaign put out a positive message, one that resonated with the majority of people in this country. People wanted change from what you people had given over the past eight years. Obama represented that change.

    As far as the meme that blacks voted for Obama because he was black, you only have to go back to 2000 and 2004 elections. In 2000 Gore got 92 percent of the black vote to Bush’s 8 percent. In 2004, Kerry got 88 percent of the black vote while Bush did slightly better that the previous time and got 11 percent.

    Hey but don’t let some pesky little facts keep you from continually repeating the lie that blacks voted for Obama only because he was black. It might have been a plus, but the reality is, most blacks feel that the Republican party is a throwback to a previous era. It is why they can’t identify with Condi Rice or Clarence Thomas. There is nothing in common except the fact that they share the same race. That puts the lie to the idea that blacks are only interested in supporting someone of their own race. They don’t care so much about that as they do about someone who represents their values and interests.

    It is YOUR meme that assumes that the Democratic Party is “keeping” blacks “down”. I suppose that is why the estimated percentage of blacks who belong to the Republican Party is around five percent, while the other 95 percent hang with the Party that “oppresses” them?

    I remember in 2004 the RNC acknowledged that they needed to do a better job of attracting the minorities — namely blacks. But then they didn’t follow though. Over the next four years the Republicans demonstrated that the only people they really cared about were the rich people with money and to hell with everyone else. Someone mentioned NOLA above? That was probably the death knell to any chance of wooing the black vote. (already the RNC is putting out trial balloons indicating NOLA was probably the death knell of GWB’s agenda also. See? The blame game has already started)

    Personally, I see his unnecessary war in Iraq to be the death knell that caused Republicans to sit this one out.

    I REALLY love some of the responses he made when he did his “exit interview” with Charles Gibson. Here is a quote from the Bush who puts that whole Iraq WMD issue to rest:

    GIBSON: You’ve always said there’s no do-overs as President. If you had one?

    BUSH: I don’t know — the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn’t just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence. And, you know, that’s not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.

    GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq war?

    BUSH: Yes, because Saddam Hussein was unwilling to let the inspectors go in to determine whether or not the U.N. resolutions were being upheld. In other words, if he had had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.

    GIBSON: No, if you had known he didn’t.

    BUSH: Oh, I see what you’re saying. You know, that’s an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can’t do. It’s hard for me to speculate.

    You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on~ George W. Bush

    Feel foolish yet?

    LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:

    Call me whatever you wish. Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it so.

    So stuff it, DJ.

    I was pointing out how silly your reasoning was. Personally, I don’t need to resort to that kind of thing. Just because you tell me it is okay, doesn’t mean I need to take you up on it. I am quite capable of talking about something without trying to talk about someone’s race or gender in a negative way. I will leave that up to you.

    HE focused on it for all of his candidacy. And, since it bothers you so much, that’s all the more reason to do it. You made no concessions to US about the names you called Bush over the past eight years.

    No, Skye, HE didn’t. HE didn’t go around and say “Vote for me because I am black.” Any time he focused on it was because he was FORCED to focus on it — usually in response to his opponent attacks. Hillary was one of those who made the insinuations that he couldn’t win the white vote in certain places, and then he was forced to talk about it. People like you made mountains out of mole hills about Jeremiah Wright and he was forced to respond with his speech on race relations. But really, it was kinda hard for a skinny black man with “jug ears” to be invisible on his race. The difference between how he and the Left talked about it was as a positive thing. The way I have seen it depicted here and elsewhere was more of a mocking and negative way.

    I am not going so far as to say someone here is being “racist” — that is something for that person to look in their heart and decide. It is not my place to decide — I am not the recipient.

    You are SO DAMN HYPOCRITICAL, DJ.

    You were one of the many parroting the lies about Sarah Palin and her “grandchild,” and all the other crap that the left spewed about her.

    And once that story was proven wrong, then it was never repeated again. However, no matter HOW many times the stories about Obama have been proven wrong, you people still repeat them as if they were gospel.

    SO THERE.

    LC Anniee451 sez:

    Back in early 2007 a certain William K Wolfrum – who has written some amazingly psychotic screeds, including denouncing an entire generation – said flat out that it would be pretty much *impossible* to criticize Barack Obama without “appearing” racist. Now personally, I would say you can criticize someone’s policies all day long and never give a damn about his/her race; I certainly do so.

    I never heard of William K Wolfrum, but he is wrong about not being able to criticize Obama.

    You can easily criticize anyone without the “need” to inject race into it. I criticize Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, George W. Bush, and Bill O’Reilly all the time without ever needing to mention their race. I do have problems refraining from referring to Bush as either President Bunnypants or President Chuckles — but those are my favorite clown names and neither indicates what a person’s race is.

    My argument here is that when people use derogatory terms relating to race to describe the person they are criticizing, they are criticizing that person’s race as well. There is no need to bring up whether Obama is black, part black, or any other color if you are criticizing him for his policies and actions. Nonewhatsoever.

    If you dislike the man, then dislike him. Tell us why. You can’t stand his policies. You didn’t like something he said. You think he is an idiot. You think he is incompetent. You call him “Jugears”. I can respect that. Those are valid criticisms and rants that have nothing to do with the man’s race.

    Clinton was savagely attacked by the Right even before he was sworn in and it hasn’t stopped yet. But I cannot recall once where his race was a factor in those attacks and name-calling. I can’t recall anyone on the left attacking Bush because of his race. But here comes Barack Obama, not being all white, and the racially-charged terms and phrases start appearing.

    Considering that and the fact that the word “HISTORIC” is being trumpeted from every rooftop – SIMPLY BECAUSE OF his race – then no, I don’t think it’s possible to divorce the two. And I see no need for us to pretend that it ISN’T a major and important issue at this point.

    But certainly you can mention a person’s race without intentionally using it to be derogatory. THAT is the issue. It is not necessarily that his race is mentioned from time-to-time, it is the constant use of racially-charged or racially-derogatory terms and names that is totally unnecessary. That indicates the person has a problem with Obama’s race, not Obama himself per se.

    Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:

    Makes you wonder what decibel level that the raging hypocrite Deej would be using if it were a Republican who beat his then opponent by stealing confidential divorce records, thereby forcing them to withdraw from the race?

    Divorce records are confidential? I hate to break this to you, but yours and everyone else’s are public record. I was a skip tracer once, many moons ago. You would be surprised to find out how “confidential” these records are.

    Campaigns get down and dirty. Each side does a deep, deep search into their opponent’s background to dig up any dirt they can use to their advantage. It is why the McCain campaign never brought up the Obama not being a US citizen line of crap — they knew that it was crap.

    There is the story of how Sarah Palin became mayor in a little backwater suburb of Anchorage. Her Republican opponent, three-term Republican incumbent, John C. Stein, suddenly finds himself running against a candidate who passes out anti-abortion fliers, plays up her membership in the NRA, and starts a whispering campaign against Stein telling people that he isn’t a Christian, he is a Jew. (Stein is a Lutheran)

    I am not sure which is more inflammatory here: lying about her opponent’s religious beliefs or the fact that she thinks being Jewish is something bad.

    Your choice.

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    Divorce records are confidential?

    They are if they are sealed by a court order, or supposed to be sealed.

    And I don’t know when Obama was a party to either Jack Ryan or his ex-wife.

    But there’s nothing to see here

    Nothing at all

    Just move along.

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    There is the story of how Sarah Palin became mayor in a little backwater suburb of Anchorage. Her Republican opponent, three-term Republican incumbent, John C. Stein, suddenly finds himself running against a candidate who passes out anti-abortion fliers, plays up her membership in the NRA, and starts a whispering campaign against Stein telling people that he isn’t a Christian, he is a Jew. (Stein is a Lutheran)

    Any reliable links on that story, or are you talking out some other orifice again.

    BTW, I believe Chris Ruddy.

    I don’t believe the NY Slimes.

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    Citatel — Hannity’s old network — is filing for bankruptcy. Premiere Networks is (hannity’s new network and Rush’s network) is also filing for bankruptcy. Westwood One is almost down the toilet also.

    Citadel has had money trouble for several years now, the leftists that run it have run it right into the ground.

    Westwood One was spun off of CBS Radio, and it wouldn’t be suprising if they went in the toilet also.

    Premiere Networks, I haven’t seen any stories (even in the liberal press) about them filing for bankruptcy.

    Reliable links please.

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    Nothing on GOOGLE about Premiere having problems .. theyre owned by Clear Channel, which was bought out by Bain Capital ..

    Now, who runs Bain Capital?

    Mitt Romney, if I remember right.

    I can see the leftish screechers start spouting their conspiracy theories now.

    So, nothing about Premiere being in the toilet .. wishful thinking?

    So once again, we could have another example of Deej being like a baby’s diaper … On our asses (to try and impress us with how smart he is) and in this case, full of crap :)

    Just sayin’ COULD have, mind you … just sayin’

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    we could have another example of Deej being like a baby’s diaper

    Actually, DJ is providing a public service here.

    I mean, he goes to Huffinglue Post, DummiesUnderground, and Moron.org and parrots that stuff here.

    We don’t have to go over there and waste brain cells.

    And BTW, one comment of mine is awaiting moderation.

    There are needed links there that need to be seen.

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    So once again, we could have another example of Deej being like a baby’s diaper … On our asses (to try and impress us with how smart he is) and in this case, full of crap

    Well, ya gots t’ remember – this is the same of our so-called “betters” that loudly proclaimed that Air Scaremerica was a robust, strong radio network, growing bigger every day – before they declared bankruptcy and had to reorganize.

    Just sayin’. :em01:

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    Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:

    Nothing on GOOGLE about Premiere having problems .. theyre owned by Clear Channel, which was bought out by Bain Capital ..

    Oooo, but aren’t you clever.

    Not everything is on the Internet — yet.

    Until very recently radio was my industry. I still have a couple of toes in it. What comes out for public consumption is usually passed around on internal publications weeks, if not months before. I believe the January 9th edition of Talker’s Magazine had a small blurb in it, but you might have to wait until Friday for the online version to post.

    lc purple raider sez:

    I mean, he goes to Huffinglue Post, DummiesUnderground, and Moron.org and parrots that stuff here.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but I really don’t have that kind of time. When I am online I probably spend more time here than anywhere else. That will change soon because the transition is pretty much over, and you will see less of me. I have a full schedule locking up my time for the next several months, so hanging out yapping with y’all is pretty low on my things-to-do list.

    And frankly, what passes for political discussion bores me now. I left talk radio partially because of that, and where I am at now is a refreshing change and low stress.

    And BTW, one comment of mine is awaiting moderation.

    Not my yob.

    Darth Venomous sez:

    Well, ya gots t’ remember – this is the same of our so-called “betters” that loudly proclaimed that Air Scaremerica was a robust, strong radio network, growing bigger every day – before they declared bankruptcy and had to reorganize.

    And yet, “Air Scaremerica” is no a strong and viable company that is growing at a more measured rate today. Out of bankruptcy and operating in the black.

    Everyone here fell for the Brian Baloney/Michelle Malkin meme that AAR has been within days of locking the doors and turning off the lights for what, FIVE YEARS NOW?

    I’m thinkin’ you need some new material, Spats. You’ve taken the old stuff as far as it will go.

    I gotta plane to catch.

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    ‘Not everything is on the Interbet yet’

    What a galaxy sized crock of shit!

    Deej, you are so full of shit you’re freakin’ waddling when you’re walking.

    Does ANYONE HERE AT ALL THINK FOR 3 BILLIONTHS OF A SECOND .. that if Premiere Radio / Clear Channel was about to go Tango Uniform that the MSM wouldn’t be trumpeting it and crowing about it given the high amount of conservative talk radio Premiere does?

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    I’m thinkin’ you need some new material, Spats. You’ve taken the old stuff as far as it will go.

    The new stuff is the old stuff, Allyn: You’re full of bullshit and your word is not to be trusted.

    On anything.

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    Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:

    What a galaxy sized crock of shit!

    Deej, you are so full of shit you’re freakin’ waddling when you’re walking.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, fuckhead. Pay no attention that MY career has been in the radio industry and yours hasn’t. Or that I might have a bit more inside knowledge that isn’t out in the mainstream yet.

    Like I said, you get your “information” from “reliable” sources as Brian Maloney — who hasn’t had a gig outside of a vanity show here and there for in over four years, and is considered a pariah by most people inside the industry.

    Does ANYONE HERE AT ALL THINK FOR 3 BILLIONTHS OF A SECOND .. that if Premiere Radio / Clear Channel was about to go Tango Uniform that the MSM wouldn’t be trumpeting it and crowing about it given the high amount of conservative talk radio Premiere does?

    Does anyone here think that by spouting military phonetic makes you feel like you “fit in” somewhere? Personally, I think it makes you look like a wanna-be. You’re young and in your early forties — isn’t there a war you could be volunteering for? You know, test your manhood. Be one of the guys.

    Premiere does a lot more than Conservative talk. In fact, I find it rather hilarious that the same network that is home to Rush Limbaugh is also home to Jesse Jackson. (which is a real boring show, btw)

    And notice that I never said Clear Channel was going under, nor did I say Premiere was going away. Premiere is a separate entity that is owned partially by Clear Channel (and two other partners). The purpose of filing Chapter 13 is for protection during reorganization. It is exactly what Air America did, and they came out of it in a solid position. There is no reason not to expect Premiere to emerge intact in a better position.

    There are going to be a lot more networks filing soon, if they don’t end up merging. The industry as a whole is going through some financial issues. Much of it is related to the current economic situation. Advertising dollars are down about 40 percent over this time last year which puts the network in a tough position when it comes to their contractual obligations with their talent. Sure, Premiere could simply make a cash call from their parent, Clear Channel, but all that does is rob from Peter to pay Paul. It doesn’t solve the problem.

    But apparently I don’t know what I am talking about because some clownshoe who is only familiar with the speaker-end of his radio — not to mention being an Expert-by-Google™ — knows the industry I have been working in and around since before he was born better than I do. /sarcasm

    But hey, it is your fantasy.

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    Dude, I have not only served but I lost an eye in the process. I’ll compare DD-214s against you any day of the week. Want to keep looking foolish?

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    Darth Venomous sez:

    The new stuff is the old stuff, Allyn: You’re full of bullshit and your word is not to be trusted.

    On anything.

    Except that all of my predictions have been correct. Kinda hard to get around that.

    As I recall, our LAST little dust up was over Air America too. How did THAT turn out for you? Notice that Air America is still around in spite of your assertions?

    OT: I have that script updated for you now, if you still want it.

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    Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:

    Dude, I have not only served but I lost an eye in the process.

    Well, I am truly sorry to hear that.

    ’ll compare DD-214s against you any day of the week.

    The IDF doesn’t have a DD-214, but I still carry some lead and scrap metal if you want that.

    Want to keep looking foolish?

    Oh hell, I participate here on this site, don’t I? I couldn’t look any more foolish than that. :em99:

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    And here’s your quote, Deej:

    Citatel — Hannity’s old network — is filing for bankruptcy. Premiere Networks is (hannity’s new network and Rush’s network) is also filing for bankruptcy.

    Cite me ONE reliable source please? Hell, it’d be all over the financial pages if that were the case.

    We’re not stupid ..

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    Except that all of my predictions have been correct. Kinda hard to get around that.

    O RLY?

    Seems I recall a prediction that the Ayatollah Obambi would win the election by (rustle rustle rustle)…ah, here it is…58%. Made by (rustle rustle)…ah, here we go…you.

    How’d that prediction work out for you?

    As I recall, our LAST little dust up was over Air America too. How did THAT turn out for you?

    No, actually “our LAST little dust up” was over the names of the so-called “individual donors” for Obambi from Fannie & Freddie. (Which you’ve still not provided, by the way.)

    Notice that Air America is still around in spite of your assertions?

    Uh huh. Notice it’s not in the same form as it was last time you bleated about how strong it was?

    OT: I have that script updated for you now, if you still want it.

    The registration blacklist script? Email it to me if you would, and thanks.

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    Except that all of my predictions have been correct. Kinda hard to get around that.

    Well, not all of them. Here’s one, for example, where it so happened that your analysis hit the nail squarely on the head, yet your prediction came up woefully wrong. It’s a shame too. We didn’t want him and neither did you.

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    Darth Venomous sez:

    Seems I recall a prediction that the Ayatollah Obambi would win the election by (rustle rustle rustle)…ah, here it is…58%. Made by (rustle rustle)…ah, here we go…you.

    How’d that prediction work out for you?

    Okay, so my Obama Brand™ Crystal Ball and Toasted Cheese Sandwich Maker needed a little calibration. I guess that is to be expected when you buy those combo things. It is a good thing I didn’t opt for the nose hair trimmer attachments.

    Seriously? Sure, I missed it by six points, but he did spank McCain with the highest percentage since Bush/Dukaka twenty years ago.

    But if you REALLY want to be technical, and since we both know it is the the Electoral Votes that count and not the popular vote, it appears my OBCB&TCSM undershot its prediction, since Obama won almost 68 percent of the Electoral Votes. (maybe I should have gotten the nose hair trimmer attachment after all…)

    Darth Venomous sez:

    No, actually “our LAST little dust up” was over the names of the so-called “individual donors” for Obambi from Fannie & Freddie. (Which you’ve still not provided, by the way.)

    That was a “dust up”? I don’t even remember it. Was I sick at the time? I honestly don’t remember much of anything back then.

    Darth Venomous sez:

    Uh huh. Notice it’s not in the same form as it was last time you bleated about how strong it was?

    Uh, actually not much has really changed with them, except for a few lineup changes, and the fact that they no longer own/produce shows. But then I remember explaining at the time that was what they were going to do. They are now strictly a content provider just like all of the other networks — which is what they should have done to begin with.

    But they are now under different ownership — the third since their inception — and are working on a solid business model. They aren’t trying to grow too much too fast like they were at the beginning, they are only really concentrating on the top metro markets for now — which is all they need to be in.

    I know Rush and Hannity and Savage can all boast hundreds of stations to AAR’s ‘measily’ 63 affiliates, but most of the hosts syndicated by AAR are also found on non-AAR affiliates now. Most shows are heard on roughly 140 stations plus satellite and streaming. Additionally, Jones Broadcasting has now taken on three highly-rated progressive talk shows that also broadcast on AAR affiliates. Most of the shows are doing quite well in the markets they are in, which ain’t too shabby. They sell commercials, and that is the ultimate goal of broadcasting. If a show can qualify for a “preferred block” of advertising, then they are doing great. Several shows are doing just that.

    The number of stations a particular show is on is not all that important. Yes, you can catch Hannity or Rush, or Savage in a one-stoplight town in the middle of nowhere but that doesn’t mean much. Those stations are pretty much “giveaways” when it comes to nationally syndicated shows — they don’t make anyone any money to speak of. Most of the stations in the middle of nowhere are owned by CC and come as a package deal in any programming package. They are really nothing more than repeater stations that might have a two-person staff for farm reports and news.

    The registration blacklist script? Email it to me if you would, and thanks.

    I will send it to you later tonight when I get home.

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    Mike M sez:

    Well, not all of them. Here’s one, for example, where it so happened that your analysis hit the nail squarely on the head, yet your prediction came up woefully wrong. It’s a shame too. We didn’t want him and neither did you.

    Well, the conventional wisdom in October 2007 was that Hillary already had it locked up, and the fix was in. Nobody expected Obama to be as organized and disciplined as he turned out to be. Nobody expected a different campaign strategy than the one that had been employed for the past twenty years.

    And it wasn’t the case that I “didn’t want him” — I actually liked him but felt he didn’t have a chance against the Clinton “machine”. But after a few months of seeing him holding his own against Hillary and actually besting her in the contests, I came to the conclusion that he was the better candidate.

    Frankly, I really didn’t want Hillary as president — I never really did. I would settle for her over any of the Republican candidates, but she wasn’t my first choice. I wasn’t into another dynasty presidency, just as I am not too crazy about Patterson picking Caroline Kennedy solely because she IS a Kennedy.

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    But they are now under different ownership — the third since their inception — and are working on a solid business model.

    Different ownership. Not the same form as previously. I believe I said that.

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    Well, it is the same ownership that went INTO bankruptcy as WENT OUT, so that hasn’t changed. What did change was that they no longer owned or controlled the shows in their lineup. Each show became its own company, and AAR only syndicates them now. It was the model they started under the second owner, before Greene bought them. When Greene bought AAR, he knew he couldn’t pull them through without getting protection under a reorganization plan.

    It is the purpose of filing for protection like that. It will be what many of the other networks will be doing in the near future. Like I said, advertising dollars are dropping off. Their costs are fixed in that contractual obligations such as Rush’s 9-figure contract through 2016 can break the bank if ad dollars continue to drop.

    It’s a business — it always has been. A lot of people here look at this ideological. IC made the assumption that Premiere and by extension, it’s parent company Clear Channel are Conservative. I should remind you that most of AAR’s affiliates are on Clear Channel stations. Premiere has progressive shows. Jones Broadcasting has Conservative shows, yet two of its hottest properties are Progressive. It isn’t about ideology, its about money.

    When AAR first started up, everyone here said that “nobody will listen”, or “there just isn’t a market” — because that is what Limbaugh said, and when Limbaugh said things, everyone else immediately parroted it. (It’s like Limbaugh is “show prep” for Hannity or something)

    But there IS a market, and there always has been. It is probably bigger than the supply at the moment — especially since MOST AAR listeners are streamers or satellite listeners in areas where there isn’t a terrestrial station. Podcasts are another HUGE revenue source for Progressive radio.

    This thread is scheduled to close comments either tonight or tomorrow. (The new software auto-closes comments after five days to cut down on stealth spammers.)



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