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Dec
31
2008
How About A Little Tuneage To Bring In The New Year ?
Posted by: LCJackboot IC/A7:14 pm
Since, we’ve had a number of plans, none of which worked out, we’ll be home tonight, with no family or company about, just the normal studio gang. Anyhoo, in keeping with a tradition I think I started last year we’ll do some radio for the peeps that take the safe way of seeing the New Year in.
I’ll be on on airwaves from about 10:00pm CT running a mix of what I feel like running and of course taking requests. Just hit me on the “tuesdaytruth” yahoo IM. We’ll have some staff at hand to try our best to get what you want rolling.
Carry-On and thanks for the continuing support of RadioCIA !!!!
Update from the Imperial Tobacconist: This is your official New Year’s Eve OPEN THREAD!
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Why do I need to get moderated?
I’ve been commenting here for at least 4 years.
Thanks.
Yikes. DJ Allyn; I was pretty drrrrrrrrruuunk; sorry for being such a bitch.
Hm. I seem to remember some dumb-assed fuckhead around here was predicting a 58% victory for the Ayatollah Obambi.
Wonder who that could’ve been? Hello? Anyone? Bueller?
Let’s see the proof. Credible sources for once, if you don’t mind.
That would be seven out of every ten dumbshits who responded to a poll, the total number of respondents of which likely didn’t even total 2000 out of a country of 300,000,000-plus – and you want us to believe it’s authoritative?
YeahRight™. Pull the other one.
lc purple raider sez:
What is this, a case of “I know you are but what am I?”
No, I DON’T “know it”, and neither do you. You WANT to think you “know it” because you cannot possibly believe that John McCain and Sarah Palin had no support outside of the hard-core Republican base or the group that would NEVER vote for a black man no matter what.
THAT was all the support the McCain/Palin ticket had.
The RNC knew way back in September/October that McCain was going to lose. Hell, I think the old guy himself knew it. In order for them to save some kind of face, they had to make some kind of hay about “voter fraud” to sow seeds into the minds of the feeble-minded. All the talk about “fraud” by ACORN was a non-story. Mickey Mouse did not go vote, and neither did Long John Silver or “Mac Donald”. The intellectually honest KNEW the story was a smoke screen, even though people like you chose to ignore the important elements and focus only on a more narrow interpretation taken hugely out of context.
lc purple raider @ 33 sez:
Good God, I have shown you example after example over the past four years and you brush it aside calling it “biased” or “unreliable”. Convenient for someone who doesn’t argue honestly. If you don’t like the facts, call it “biased” and that will automatically disqualify it.
lc purple raider @ 33 sez:
There was, and I did?
Here is a little blast from the past for you, and maybe it is time YOU try it on for size:
When Bush “won” in 2000 and got his “mandate” in 2004, you guys told us Liberals to “get over it”.
Well, Obama won by a six point margin — well over any kind of possible margin of error or evidence of fraud. There isn’t a credible expert out there who can or will say that the Obama win was a result of “massive voter fraud”, so
GET OVER IT.
In 2004 Rush Limbaugh used his radio show to tell us Liberals that when we win elections, then we can have a say — until then, SHUT UP.
Well, we won the past TWO elections, the last one by a substantial margin on all fronts, so it is time for people like Rush to “SHUT UP?”
I know, you’ve passed out of the denial stage and into the anger stage where you are mad and trying to irrationally assign blame to the cause of your loss. Next will come bargaining, you will become more involved with the party and the election process. Then comes the depression. Obama is doing such a good job and it frustrates you and your bitterness shows. Eventually will come the acceptance stage. You still won’t like Obama, but you can certainly live with it for now.
lc purple raider sez:
Except you are NOT in the top 30 percentile so you cannot make that kind of assessment. Besides, who said a damn thing about the teacher’s union?
LC hilljohnny sez:
Nope, Tesla. Marconi was a thief.
annoyinglittletwerp sez:
Because it is YOUR turn.
LC Anniee451 sez:
It’s alright. I kinda have this unfair advantage when it comes to the subject of music and musical artists. I have been in and out of the music and radio industry for many, many years. A little over a month ago I left talk radio (again) and am back to working as a sound engineer in a recording studio. I am not going to broadcast the current project, but it will be the first album this band has released in ten years.
Gee, DJ, I didnt know that close to 50% of the country was the hard core Republican base. According to the MSM, the hard core GOP base is a rapidly shrinking pool of rednecks and racists and Bible thumpers.
Speaking of racism, asshole, I’m about as conservative as they come and I’d have absolutely no problem voting for someone of color. I don’t give two steaming piles of shit what color someone is. What matters to me is first, their character, and secondly, where they stand on the issues.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Ask pelosi and reid, they’re pushing for a fairness doctrine to do just that.
not to mention that Tesla and the things he did are just damned cool
Thanks, DJ; last thing I wanted to do was start making enemies on like one of the best sites in existence. Not for such stupid reasons as being a surly drunk lol.
Silly me. I’m a racist.
I guess my support of Alan Keyes, Ken Blackwell, Michael Steele, JC Watts, Bobby Jindal et al, were just figments of my right-wing racist imagination.
The reason I did not vote for Obama was because he was red, not black.
Actually I am in the top 30%. I can provide you with my college transcripts if you wish.
Well, when you have voting by mail, ACORN sending in millions of fraudulent registrations and precinct workers marking said registrations with actual votes, and the usual amount of people going from voting booth to voting booth, plus the dead voting, I would say there was evidence of fraud.
He hasn’t done a thing yet, except to be part of a scandal to sell his senate seat to the highest bidder.
According to the US Constitution, unless he shows the long form Birth Certificate, he’s isn’t, and won’t ever will be, the President. And the Magic Communist hasn’t been vetted, no matter how much you say he has.
Trickle up poverty for four years, if Obama doesn’t declare himself El Presidente for Life.
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
Methinks ye protest too much.
I know, you even have some friends who are black, but probably wouldn’t let your daughter marry one of them. The typical white-guy “I’m not a racist” defense.
It is funny, but as I never singled you out as being a “racist”, you were sure quick to become defensive about it when I mentioned a major reason why a person voted against Obama in the last election.
What I DID say was that there were a LOT of people who voted against Obama because he was black. Those people didn’t break to one party or the other either. There Republicans AND Democrats who could not (and would not) bring themselves to vote for a black man.
So there were a significant number of people who voted for McCain weren’t voting FOR McCain, they were voting against the idea of a black man becoming president. So they went with McCain.
I don’t give a flying fuck whether that was YOUR reason or not. I wasn’t accusing you or anyone specifically. I was only stating a fact: there were a LOT of people who voted AGAINST Obama solely because of his race. It is an indisputable and undeniable fact.
You are the one who decided unilaterally that I was talking about you.
So roll your faux outrage back up again, because either I was accurately describing you without even realizing it, which means you have no reason to act indignant, or I wasn’t describing you and you still wouldn’t have any reason to be acting indignant.
Once again, Deej, you manage to stick your foot in it.
Friends who are Black? How about an ex wife who was Black? Does that satisfy your criteria, douchebag?
I’m outraged because you claim there’s some giant cesspool of racism among Republicans and Conservatives. Is there a small amount? Absolutely. Is it anywhere near the levels you and your ilk claim it to be? Nope.
Go drink a six pack of integrity and get back to me.
P’tak.
lc purple raider sez:
You are?
For crying out loud, I think you and IC need stop reading every other word, and look a little closer at the sentence:
Usually, when a person uses the word “or” they are meaning that there is an alternative. I could have been talking about either the hard-core Republican base, OR people with reading comprehension issues. Again, I am not naming names, or picking particular people out, but if the shoe fits…
You cannot deny that there IS a large segment of the American population that WILL NOT vote for a black man as president. As I indicated above, this group is not exclusive to one party or the other — it tends to cross all political lines.
I don’t deny that at all, but people like you tend to make the claim that most of them have an (R) for their political party. That’s BS and you bloody well know it.
Now, a man of integrity would apologize to me for implying (hell, pretty much openly claiming) I’m somehow a racist. Especially as wife #1 was Black. Is that you, Deej – do you have the integrity to issue said apology?
Certainly there is. And from my experiences in this country, most of those are Democrats, and still are.
I’m not one of those folks who photoshop pictures of Michael Steele in blackface.
I’m not one of those folks who throw Oreos at conservative blacks.
I agree with Clarence Thomas that his confirmation hearing was a high-tech lynching.
Sorry, sending your shoes back. They don’t fit.
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
People like me? No, the BS is that statement you just made.
I was VERY clear when I wrote (twice) that racism isn’t a Left/Right thing. (now thrice) So your statement that “people like (me)” tend to make the claim that most Republicans are racist is false. People like ME aren’t making that claim.
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
OMG, the fake ‘apologize for my outrage or you have no integrity’ card.
Did you bump your head? You are trying to solicit an apology from me for your poor reading comprehension? Why not demand an apology for thinking you to be an idiot?
Like I said, I don’t know one way or the other whether you are a racist nor do I have enough interest to give a rats ass. What I do find interesting is that I never mentioned you or anyone else by name and suddenly here you are with a pumped up chicken-bone chest telling me how you are NOT a racist.
But hey, I am always willing to help the handicapped.
Let’s look at what I said a THIRD time, shall we?
Now first of all, you will notice that I mention you NOT AT ALL.
You will notice the use of the word “or” between the description of “the hard-core Republican base” (of which you described yourself in comment number 55) and “the group that would NEVER vote for a black man no matter what.“. If you already identified with the FIRST half, why did you bother to try to distinguish yourself from the second half? If it didn’t apply, then it didn’t apply.
But what I said is still factual. The people who DIDN’T vote for McCain were either Republican or they were not going to vote for a black man. It IS possible, of course, that both are true — but I NEVER claimed, implied, or came out and said that YOU were one of those people.
Perhaps YOU owe ME the apology. Not that I really want it, but just sayin’.
Your ‘methinks the lady doth protest too much’ remark wasn’t an insinuation I am somehow racist?
There’s nothing ‘fake’ about me or my reaction, Deej.
lc purple raider sez:
Again, a bullshit statement. We could trade examples countering each other all night long, and it will still only prove one thing: I was right. This isn’t a left/right issue no matter how hard you try to make it out to be.
Besides, if your premise was true, then how is it that it was the Democratic Party that not only nominated a black man for president, but then managed to elect him with 52 percent of the vote?
You are STILL trying to make it appear that what I said somehow assumes, implies or indicates that I said REPUBLICANS are racist. Another way to look at what I said would be this:
The people who voted for McCain were the hard-core Republican base and Democrats and Independents who couldn’t or wouldn’t vote for a black man.
(That statement could still include Republicans who couldn’t or wouldn’t vote for a black man also. — but I am sure you knew that)
Maybe I should type slower.
Here’s your exact words ..
“Methinks ye protest too much.
I know, you even have some friends who are black, but probably wouldn’t let your daughter marry one of them. The typical white-guy “I’m not a racist” defense.”
Where you went over the line was implying I’m a racist. Don’t even go there.
On a different note, Let’s not forget which party actually did the following:
a> voted FOR the civil rights legislation in the 60s (Can you say GOP?) and which voted against it? Can you say the Party Of Teh People And Teh Working Man, the Dems?
b> which party had generated Abe Lincoln?
c> has consistently actually SUPPORTED race-neutral legislation to actually help people succeed by growing the economy?
I can go on. Perhaps if you type slowly enough, Deej, I’ll see a reply by morning.
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
If you are going to quote me, try to get it right: I said, “Methinks ye protest too much.”
Since I had NOT mentioned you either by name or implication when I made my statement, the fact that you immediately took offense to it made me wonder WHY you would protest about something that wasn’t about you.
Here is an example:
You opened the door, you stepped into the room. You started to make noise. The phrase fits the events perfectly.
I don’t imply or claim anything one way or the other. It is YOU who are spending all the time trying to defend yourself against a claim that doesn’t exist.
People in holes shouldn’t continue digging.
PS …. I grew up in northeastern Ohio. The city of Canton. EXTREMELY blue collar, pro-union, heavily Democratic. And never in my life did I see so many Ohio Rednecks use the N word (or use other epithets for other races) in public – and on top of it being hypocrites by lusting after whatever women of color happened to come their way.
A true story .. my adopted brother and the next door neighbor, when I was growing up, did a CROSS BURNING on the front lawn of the Black family across the street – on the very same day both would check out the butt of the 17 year old daughter that family had. And they weren’t even subtle about either a> their uneducated racism or b> both lusting after the very black woman whose front lawn had just been torched. They saw no contradiction. I kid you not. Uneducated, racist and hypocrites. My becoming conservative was my own rebellion against that kind of cesspool. And the more bigoted, the more resentful of those who did something with their lives, the more uneducated, the more leftish people around me became, the more conservative I became.
And my use of ‘Ohio Rednecks’ is not meant as a perjorative towards rednecks in general – and I apologize profusely if any offense is taken. It’s meant to slam the idiots in the general area I grew up in.
It’s probably a safe bet at least one of my former neighbors or family would pop a gasket upon finding out I became one of those ‘accursed Mormons’ on top of everything else. It’d almost be worth flying back to Ohio just to see the looks on their faces.
Try reading the next post I did. I quoted you verbatim. I didn’t have a huge issue with what you said on a political level – but you directed that ‘friends who are black’ comment at me. And my slightly misquoting you doesn’t change what you said.
Classic misdirection on your part.
No, you would be wrong. I grew up in Alliance, right next to IC in Canton.
Do you know how many times I heard “it’s all the black’s fault” when I was growing up?
The steel mills closing: Black’s fault.
Schools going to hell in a handbasket: Black’s fault.
Crime in the streets: Black’s fault.
All the while, these same people would break their arm before pulling the “R” lever.
And it’s still going on today in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Illinois, Californiastan.
And Washington.
Still wrong DJ.
The gift that keeps on giving…
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
Good, you finally got one right.
Which fits in perfectly with the “protest too much” statement. It is a common thing for people to claim that they are not “racist” because they “happen to have friends who are black”. It was even a topic on a Seinfeld show. Google the phrase, “some of my best friends are black”
Much of what you said was pretty close to that phrase. It seemed all that was missing.
Like I said, you jumped to a conclusion from the beginning and you continued to jump to conclusions.
Oh goodie. Ready to get spanked on the first one?
Do you remember what Lyndon Johnson said about that vote? On July 2, 1964, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which outlawed most forms of racial segregation. As he put down his pen, Johnson told an aide, “We have lost the South for a generation,” anticipating a coming backlash from Southern whites against Johnson’s Democratic Party.
Those Democrats became Republicans, and he was right — the South has remained Republican since then.
Hey but nice try.
As you know, today’s Republican is nothing like the Goldwater Republican of the 1960s or even the Eisenhower Republican of the 1950s. Today’s Goldwater Republican would have voted for Obama, just as they voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
The Partys have flipped. My Dad’s Republican Party (he was a prosecutor at Nuremberg and later a Diplomatic Corps lawyer and close personal friend of Barry Goldwater) is vastly different than it is today. I grew up in a Republican family, I was surrounded by them. My Dad passed away three years ago but my mother is still alive. She voted for Obama this time and says Dad would have also.
Again, there is NOTHING in today’s Republican Party that comes close to Lincoln’s party except the claim to the name. I think Lincoln would be spinning in his grave right now if he knew what his party has become.
Intellectual Conservative, Imperial Kulak sez:
Which party just TANKED the economy? (okay, different topic)
You mean “race-neutral” to do away with the programs that have allowed minorities to get to where they are today. You can try to argue that there isn’t a need for any of those programs today, but that isn’t exactly true. Not quite yet. I’d say in another ten to fifteen years we might have reached the point where these programs are no longer needed, but there is still a lot of racial disparity in this country and at least some of these programs are still needed.
Could the existing ones be modified and cut back? Probably. They were never meant to be a permanent solution — only a path to get to a goal.
But I find it interesting that in “A” you touted Republican’s involvement in the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1965, but you then try to point out in “C” how Republicans are trying to dismantle some of those previsions.
Which “Republican” did you want to be?
I am sure you can. I would go on, but frankly it is like beating a dead horse. I only came back to this thread to tell LC Anniee451 that I had decided to post Red Barchetta as a Daily Music Pick. Somehow I got distracted by this whole lotta nothing.
I swear, I get out of talk radio because I am burnt out on politics (and my new gig pays MUCH MUCH more) and I come here to argue about nothing. I need a therapist…
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Actually, I can. At least until you provide me with actual, tangible proof along with an acceptable definition of “large.” I’m not saying, even though I don’t know of any personally, that there aren’t anybody who’d be intellectually deficient enough to use skin color as their sole criterion, I’m just saying that I don’t know how many there are of them or if their numbers are even significant.
And neither do you unless you’ve got proof, in which case I stand corrected.
In the Voting Rights Act of 64, you had some Dems who voted for it but a large chunk, the Southern Dems, would not … it was the GOP which provided the swing vote. That’s historical fact, DJ.
The Southern Dems didnt have a whole lot of other places to go, they viewed the Dems as a party that betrayed them, so a lot looked at the tax policies and less government policies of the GOP and became GOP. Are you implying the GOP had some kind of sooper sekrit pro racist platform, DJ?
The one thing you came close to being right on, DJ, was that Lincoln would be spinning in his grave but not because of racial policies. It would be because of economic policies. Bush is as much of an economic conservative as my little toenail.
lc purple raider sez:
Hey Purple, did you ever have Italo’s Pizza? Is Eastbury Lanes still there up near Harmont Avenue and Route 62?
And Purple, one thing that made me come THISFREAKINCLOSE to paying a visit to Ohio was the thought of Obama – a black Democrat – winning … and rubbing it in their racist faces. Something like ‘Hey there .. hows that ‘PULL THE D LEVEL NO MATTER WHAT’ thing coming?’
IC:
Haven’t been to Stark County in years. Keep meaning to go back to see some Mount Union games, but either didn’t have the time or the money.
Emperor Misha I sez:
I could probably provide that if there was a write-in space next to each candidate on the ballot that asked why they did or didn’t vote for that candidate. But there wasn’t.
However, there were a number of polls conducted over the course of the last election that dealt with this very issue, and they all seemed to be somewhat consistent:
Roughly fifteen percent of the voters polled wouldn’t vote for a black man as president. Those were the ones who would admit it.
Some polls went as low as five percent, but when the question was rephrased to ask if the people they knew would vote for a black candidate, nineteen percent said that those they knew would not.
BOTH political Parties operatives factored this into their election calculations. Roger Simon talked about this in a 4/21/08 posting on Politico:
The polls conducted appeared to back this sentiment up.
Obama mentioned this in his speech on race, following what you called, “throwing Reverend Wright under the bus” :
But they can be expressed in the privacy of the voting booth.
But let’s look at how whites voted in this last election, shall we?
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Over the last three elections, the democratic candidate won an average of 43 percent of the white vote across the board. Notice how the deep south went this time? In Louisiana alone, it dropped ten points going from 24 percent that went for Kerry and 26 percent who went for Gore, to 14 percent for Obama.
In YOUR state of Texas, you were even below Idaho. Am I saying it is REPUBLICANS of your state skewing this? Of course not. There are a large number of white Democrats in your state also.
That is a fairly large elephant in the room that you aren’t seeing, Misha. (Hint, it is right next to that 800 pound gorilla)
And where did those Southern Dems end up politically? Strom Thurmond switched party affiliation on September 16, 1964; Thurmond switched his party affiliation, becoming a Republican in protest of the Democrats’ support and President Johnson’s shepherding of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Thurmond played an important role in building Republican support in the Southern United States, which was overwhelmingly Democratic prior to the early 1960s. THAT is a historical fact.
In 1968 Richard Nixon put together what was called “the Southern Strategy” in which he made an appeal to those disenfranchised Southern Dems who were mad at the LBJ wing of the Democratic Party for pushing through both Civil Rights acts. The idea was to run under the “law and order” banner in which ads portraying rioting blacks that would play to the fears of those Southern Dems who were adamantly opposed to civil rights for blacks.
Of course the real problem Nixon had with law and order was the idea that people would take to the streets to protest government policies as they related to the war in Vietnam. But the campaign in the South only focused on pictures of rioting blacks.
THAT is the history.
Here is something else for you to chew upon: In 1967, the US Supreme Court declared anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional. It wasn’t until November 2000, after a statewide vote in a special election, that Alabama became the last state to formally overturn a provision in their constitution that banned interracial marriage.
Forty percent of Alabamans voted to keep the ban.
It is kinda hard to insist that racism in this country doesn’t exist, or that there are still a significant number of whites who are still trying to cling to the “traditional values”, which in some cases include some of its racial components.
Whether you want to admit it or not, there is still a huge problem with racism in this country. My original comment about how there is a significant number of white people who would not only NOT vote for a black man but would actively vote against him even if it meant voting against their self interests.
You only want to point out people who AREN’T identified as Republicans. You either ignore or don’t understand that both parties have pretty much flipped since the 1960s. I grew up as a Goldwater Republican. I voted for Nixon in 1968 in my first presidential election, missed the 1972 election, but voted for Carter in 1976, because like most Americans, I felt that Nixon had literally trashed the Republican Party. By 1980, I was disenchanted with the entire political process and literally “opted out”, and hadn’t voted in a presidential election until this past November, when I finally felt that the “Reagan Era” had long since passed its course, and it was time to put an end to it.
So as you claim in #55 to be “as Conservative as they come”, your “brand” of “Conservatism” is a whole lot different than what it used to be. You didn’t come of age until Reagan, so you really don’t have any other reference point to work off of.
And how many, pray tell, voted for Mr. Obama primarily BECAUSE he was black?
Hint: Voting for someone because of their race is the flip side of the coin of voting against someone because of their race.
Yes, racism is indeed alive and well in America.
DJ,
So you are saying because the racist neanderthals vote republican all republicans are racist neanderthals?
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, DJ
You’re a little too broad with that brush DJ. I didn’t think you could lift one the size of a 747.
Ted
Republicans didn’t vote for lily-white and blue-blooded John Fucking Kerry. So guess which party your demographic comes from.
Well, besides the ones who didn’t vote for him because of his gender. Oh wait – same party.
As someone with a substantial portion of Indian in me, I can tell you for a fact – the only racism I have ever encountered was at the hands of Liberals. “Uncle Tom-Tom” is something I have never heard from a conservative.
LC Gonzman sez:
Sure, something like 96 percent. But why exactly was that? Could it be that this was the VERY first time a black candidate had a chance to win? Could it be that the Republican Party pretty much alienated them for at least another generation? (I mean, having a candidate running for RNC Chair distributing CDs with “Obama the Magic Negro” on it doesn’t really do much to endear them to the Party, does it? It might make the base chuckle and guffaw a bit, but as far as a PR move for a Party that is hoping to repair their sagging support it was definitely the bonehead move of the year.)
But remember too, that blacks are a minority that make up roughly twelve percent of the population. They have gone 400 years being the “underclass” in America. The novelty of finally someone breaking the race barrier is a little hard to pass up. Women felt the same way about Hillary running. There are agendas where race and/or gender do figure into the equation. But that isn’t the case here. The blacks weren’t voting against McCain, like there were whites were voting against Obama.
Do you see the difference? Did you hear blacks saying that they will vote against McCain because he is white? Did the media make a big deal about McCain’s race? Did they talk about McCain’s religion? Did they obsess on some of McCain’s religious endorsements?
There were other minorities that went to Obama too. But mainly it was the younger people who swayed this election, because for them race really isn’t a factor any more. That is a result of a generation of Affirmative Action at work. The old traditional barriers and prejudices are not there for them. It is why you have children singing songs about change and Obama — and that bothers the hell out of a lot of you.
I can sum the Republican Party up as being the party of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. Three white guys who plug into the older white male who has a lot of things to complain about.
Kind of a side note, now that I mentioned the three biggest conservative talk show hosts. Each of their networks that run their shows are just got delisted on the stock exchange because their shares are trading for less than one dollar. Citatel — Hannity’s old network — is filing for bankruptcy. Premiere Networks is (hannity’s new network and Rush’s network) is also filing for bankruptcy. Westwood One is almost down the toilet also.
Where is Brian Baloney and Michelle Malkin on THAT story? Oh, that’s right, still predicting the demise of Air America even after five years, and now running in the black.
Yeah, I hear a lot of this “whole generation” stuff, by people who seldom if ever recognize that elections go in cycles – you get 4, 8 and MAYBE 12 years (but for 12 you have to do something fantastic, like Reagan did.) The tide will turn on schedule. Also, yeah I can see how much the GOP alienated the black people what with Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas – two people who made it BECAUSE they were GOOD and not because of their skin color. How did the black people and leftists feel about them? Oh yeah, pure, visceral hatred. I guess if we put lunatic McKinney in that would endear them – but that wouldn’t be very smart would it?
It should. First, it’s very funny. Second, it’s mocking something the left was stupid enough to write as an article about a man who is singularly unqualified to be a leader of…anything, much less the free world.
I think it’s really endearing, actually. I’m 1/4 Blackfoot Indian, I should know.
(No, really I am. My grandfather struggled his way out of that impoverished, alcoholic culture and made a life for himself in this land of opportunity.)
Also, “Barack the Magic Negro” was the title of the song; “Obama the Magic Negro” was the title of the article the song was mocking.
Yeah .. uh …Deej – I was’t referring to the black segment of the population. Sure, they were part of it, but numerically I think there were a hell of a lot more white liberals who did so.
As as to your reasons, one word: Rationalization. Look it up. If I said “Hey, I voted for Joe Shit the Ragman because he was white” it would be very obvious that I could not also do that without simultaneously NOT voting for his opponent because he was NOT white.
That has to qualify as a “Boneheaded Liberal Quote of the Year” finalist, and we’re only on what? Day three? As I pointed out, Deej, the only whites of any substantial portion who voted against Mr. Obama, future occupant of the Oval Office, were DEMOCRATS.
And one of these days Black America wil wake up to this, and walk off the Liberal plantation. And when the democrats show their true colors and treat them as a race in as racist a fashion as they have treated individuals, I will find it most entertaining.
96%, and there is no racial motive there? The VERY first time a black candidate had a chance to win, the hell with what he stands for…at least he’s black…although he’s white too. (Remember, his Mom is white). If your going by color alone, I’d have voted, and preferred to Micheal Steele as our nominee rather than McVain. That the Repubs didn’t recognize this is their failure.
A song that had been out for a long time that satirized a article from the L.A. Times calling him the “Magic Nego”…weak.
Of course not. They were voting FOR someone because of race, just because of race…but that’s OK.
I’m hitting my mid fifties this year, and while I recognize he’s darker than I am, it really never entered into my vote. I was just talking about the fears of Kennedy getting elected with my auto mechanic (a total lib) today and the fears of electing a “CATHOLIC”. Guess that that wasn’t the factor they kept telling us it was.
Actually, I don’t listen to any of these people, but I see what’s happening, and I have a lot to complain about anyways. Guess making my own decisions based on my own experiences don’t count.
Now that Air America has contracted to as small as it can get, and how much propping up by Soros, et al, can it survive the next cycle?
I’ll point this out again to bring out Blagos appointment to the Senate to replace Obama. A black is appointed…and G-d forbid that the senate should bar a tainted Senator from taking a seat in the lilly white Senate.
Doesn’t matter that it’s a political ploy to take the heat off Blago. Doesn’t matte that the nominee was willing to let an innocent man get the death penalty to become governor. It’s gotta be about race.
But it’s RACIST to stop this man from getting his payoff.
LC Anniee451 sez:
Reagan did something ‘fantastic’? Do tell!
Oh, I know everyone here claims he single-handedly brought an end to the Cold War, but the Soviets had been on the verge of collapse for a long time.
But as he “brought and end to the cold war”, he does what all modern-day Republicans do: spend money we don’t have, and borrow against the next generation.
Good? Name one accomplishment of Rice that didn’t end in some kind of failure. Thomas? The man reads magazines during arguments. He probably hasn’t personally written an opinion of his own in years, leaving such tasks to his law clerks. He asks no questions, and it appears his only function on the bench is to be a rubberstamp vote for Scalia. He probably hasn’t had an original thought in years. At least with the other eight Justices, you get a feel of where they are at on different things.
But as far as two people who should connect to the black community? There is no connection. There is no reach out — it is as if they turned their backs.
LC Anniee451 sez:
The “Left” wrote it as an article? Really?
The term was coined, but the story line of Al Sharpton complaining about Obama was written by a Right-winger. As far as any kind of relation to how Sharpton really feels about Obama, there is no comparison.
As far as “funny”, you have a strange sense of what is funny.
And about the “singularly unqualified” remark, he is demonstrating something entirely different when it comes to leading. Most people — seven out of ten — are pretty impressed with his leadership skills so far.
I shudder to think what it would have been like under Sarah Palin.
Good for him. But it wasn’t a slam on YOU or YOUR race. So while it is easy to say I get a pass to the criticism because being Jewish, I know what it is like to be discriminated against, shunned, left out, and all that. It is a silly justification and you know it.
The point is, in a time when the Republican Party is in disarray, and hemorrhaging members, I would think that the leadership would be trying to woo people into the fold, not drive them away. Funny as YOU think that schtick was, you can rest assured that the entire black community were not as amused.
It is just an observation — right now I really don’t care if the current incarnation of the Republican Party stays in the wilderness for the next thirty years. But I am sure I will change my mind in the next eight to twelve, because even though MY party is in the catbird seat right now, I think it is VERY important there be a viable balance — an effective Party that is capable of pushing back when needed.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I didn’t like the idea of six of the past eight years being controlled by Republicans, and I don’t like the NEXT six to eight years being only controlled by Democrats.
But the Republicans need to get their collective shit together. If they’re not careful, they run the danger of becoming a regional party. They may end up just like the Whigs (quite a few similarities there)
LC Gonzman sez:
Where did you pull THAT ‘factoid’? Are you saying that the majority of REPUBLICAN whites voted for Obama?
Yes, as I have said all along in this thread, it is estimated that fifteen percent of DEMOCRATIC whites crossed over to vote AGAINST Obama — because he is black. It is also estimated that fifteen percent of REPUBLICAN whites also voted AGAINST Obama because of his race, not because they were excited by the McCain/Palin ticket. If Hillary had run, both of those groups would have either stayed at home, or probably voted for Hillary.
Your “future occupant” remark reminds me of how gang bangers started the sagging pants fashion. Most major metropolitan jails separate the felons from the misdemeanors. To tell them apart, they dress them in either blue or red pull-on pants and a pull-over shirt. The two major gangs in LA — the Crips and the Bloods identify themselves by two colors: Blue for Crips and red for the Bloods. A Crip can’t be seen wearing red, and a Blood can’t be seen wearing blue. But it IS jail, and they ARE forced to wear the clothes in the colors that categorize their type of crime. So if a Crip is being forced to wear the red jail uniform, he will wear the pants around his thighs to signify that he is being forced to wear that color. Same with the Blood. It became a style that caught on in the ‘hood because it was a status symbol for a gangmember to have gone to jail, and the way the clothes were worn in jail naturally carried over out in the street.
“Future occupant” is just like that. You cannot bring yourself to consider Obama to be the next president, so you substitute.
LC Gonzman sez:
Yeah, I see that happening with the black man in charge of the “Liberal plantation.”
SoCalOilMan, LC sez:
Yes, that was a HUGE concern in 1960. People were VERY concerned that the Pope would be calling the shots.
As I recall, Catholics got a bad rap back in the fifties and before that. They weren’t really considered to be “Christians” by the Protestant majority in this country. But in school, they were only slightly above us Jews in the pecking order of things. I remember my best friend all through grade school was Nathan Hill, the only black kid in the entire school district. A Jew and a black and we had each other’s back. Nathan got killed early on in Vietnam in 1966. Funny, I haven’t thought about him in forty years….
Ah hell, I gotta go. That really put me in a bad spot thinking about it.
We shall see. So far the indications from my seat is that he sure seems to be shucking and jiving at the behest of his Chicago Massas.
But that is pretty normal for Chicago politics; you really don’t get ahead there unless you have bodies buried they know about, so they can jerk your leash if you get to independent.
What is the “black community,” DJ? The blood and the crips? The ghettos and subsidized housing? If so, then your beloved Bambi doesn’t exactly “connect” either, with his ivy league education and multi-million dollar house. He grew up as a privileged child, in a white, privileged family, in a privileged neighborhood.
He is no more part of the “black community” than I am.
All isn’t well over by that plantation:
All three of which are black.
Both of which are white.
Old Harry must have a problem with black people.
Reid called Blagojevich on the 4th. I heard somewhere the taps ended the next day. Hmmm this is getting good!
Pass the popcorn while I try to find out when the taps ended.
Looks like the Magic Negro isn’t as well-loved around the world as DJ and the left would have us believe:
From Breitbart:
Here’s the Link
Yeah, and all isn’t glorious in Liberalland either. Looks like Teh Magick Kneegrow is finding out there is no voting “present” in the executive chair. Please one special interest group – piss off another. Straddle the fence – piss them all off.
Should be an entertaining few years. And since I went John Galt, and have no dog in the hunt, Imma make me some popcorn and chuckle.
I’m just remembering all the leftoids piously proclaiming, when people said “Hey, Bush inherited Klinton’s problems” vis a vis 9/11 that “SIX months is ample time to have a command of the administration unless you’re an incompetant boob!”
Do tell. That’s about July 20th. Whereupon I will commence serving those words with a choice of condiments.
Did someone say the words Barki and “leadership” in the same sentence?…. What “leadership” what has he done tha could be considered “leading”? Has he taken a definetive stance on anything? I mean a flat out, no room for ambiguity position? I been a bit busy lately…. but “leadership”. Give me a fucking break….. You mean leading his entire extended “family” on to an aircraft for a vacation in Hawaii?
See the real problem … is that HE DOESNT LEAD SHIT right now. He’s not IN OFFICE yet. So we’ll have to see…
And DJ’s whole racisim arguement was the biggest PILE OF SHIT i’ve heard this year (but it is easy) …..See its very simple….. IF YOU CONSIDER A CANDIDATES RACE AS A FACTOR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. You are fucked up and racially motivated… so any who voted with any consideration of race (regardless of motivation) is fucked up. It is a irrelevant factor when considering a candidate for a position….. the BEST person for the JOB is the only consideration.
And then to minimize Condi and JUSTICE Thomas for not having met DJ’s particular standard does not diminish in any way the arguement that they are examples of race not mattering when it came to republican politics…. so he side steps the point and says “they dont have enough juice.” Shit I’de put Condi’s School transcripts, writiings, and accomplishments against the JUNIOR SENATORS any day of the week…. But that impossible now isnt it? Cause the guy with the “great leadership” skills wont release those transcripts or writings……
And the republican party becoming a “regional” party…. thats pretty funny.. what region would that be? The region that controls all the land? I would like to see the republican party reform …….
TerribleTroy sez:
well, the oh so tolerant left considers Condi and Thomas only house negroes…..They’ve used that term….but you certainly won’t hear any outrage about that.
frikkin hypocrites
LC Gonzman sez:
Really.
You mean the seat next to the radio where you get the blatherings from YOUR ‘Massas’, Rush, Sean, and Savage, don’t you? Or maybe you don’t get the talking points directly from them but filtered down through the blogs of the other people that listen to them?
“Shucking and Jiving”. Nope, no derogatory racial term there. I wonder, would you have used that term if Obama had been WASP?
See? Some of you probably don’t even realize you’re doing it. You get yourself into the “comfort zone” of like-minded people, and you let your shields down. It starts out small — a slip of a phrase here, or there, and other people start doing it. A little at first, and slowly the more offensive phrases start slipping out. Some of the more unabashed will post “funny” little graphics with all the stereotypes: watermelon, nappy-headed, big-lipped, dark-black caricatures.
I am sure some people here wince when they see these kinds of references, but they immediately go into defensive mode when someone is called on it.
“Magic, or Magical Negro” (or even “Mystical Negro”) is a plot device in stories going all the way back to Chinese literature in the Tang Dynasty. The character is often a mystical stock character in fiction who, by use of special insight or powers, helps the white protagonist get out of trouble.The word negro, now considered by many as archaic and offensive, is used intentionally to suggest that the archetype is a racist throwback, an update of the “Sambo” and “savage other” stereotypes. It is the character that would be the least likely of the cast to be the one who saves the day — yet he does.
Stephen King used the “Magical Negro” in three of his stories:
Dick Hallorann in The Shining (1977)
Mother Abagail in The Stand (1978)
John Coffey in The Green Mile (1996)
You find the recurring theme in movies:
Uncle Remus (James Baskett) in the film Song of the South (1946)
Noah Cullen (Sidney Poitier) in the film The Defiant Ones (1958)
(Sidney Poitier) in To Sir, With Love, Lilies of the field and Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner
Moses the Clock Man (Bill Cobbs) in the film The Hudsucker Proxy (1994)
Cash (Don Cheadle) in the film The Family Man (2000)
Bagger Vance (Will Smith) in the film The Legend of Bagger Vance (2000)
Gloria Dump (Cicely Tyson) in the film Because of Winn-Dixie (2005)
God (Morgan Freeman) in the film Bruce Almighty/Evan Almighty.
Eddie “Scrap Iron” Dupris (Morgan Freeman) in Million Dollar Baby
(Morgan Freeman) in Driving Miss Daisy, Seven
Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) in The Matrix.
Oracle (Gloria Foster/Mary Alice) in The Matrix.
Lamont (Guy Torry) in the film American History X.
When David Ehrenstein wrote the LA Times Editorial, “Obama the ‘Magic Negro‘” on March 19, 2007, he was talking about Obama in terms of being the charismatic black character that comes out of nowhere to become the person who saves the day. He has no ‘past’ so he has no baggage.
For those of you who want to try and equate “Barack the Magic Negro.” on the CD distributed by GOP leader Chip Saltsman with the “Obama the ‘Magic Negro’” editorial David Ehrenstein wrote, I would suggest you go back and actually READ the editorial. Then listen to the fictional story depicting Al Sharpton.
Apples and oranges.
The word “negro” is purposely being used by Conservative satirist Paul Shanklin to appeal to a select group of people — usually older white people who feel the status and way of life they were born into is slipping away from them, and they are gathered together to “save America for God and Country”.
It is another case of blaming someone or some group for the reason why everything is changing around them. It is the fault of:
The blacks.
The liberals.
The gays.
The Muslims.
The Northerners.
The Europeans.
The Atheists.
The Catholics.
The Mexicans.
The Media.
The Fill in blank
There is always someone to blame for change.
LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R., Imperial Grammar Hun sez:
The “start”? In fifteen days, Obama will “start”. Better yet, we should be talking about the absence of our current administration. He is AWOL again.
Besides, were you expecting Obama to be siding with Hamas? Was Hamas expecting him to side with them?
Hamas is popular in Gaza ONLY because they provided supplies that couldn’t come through because of the embargo Israel has placed on the territory. The people there see Hamas as a necessary evil, but they wouldn’t lose sleep if Hamas were gone — as long as they could get their supplies.
I was listening to the radio last night, and the host had the Israeli Consular on to take questions from the listeners.
The man was very good at what he does — propaganda. One of the listeners asked him what caused Israel to attack Hamas in Gaza. His answer was the stock one given by our media: Hamas broke the cease fire agreement by firing rockets into Israel. So Israel is “protecting itself” by breaking down Hamas.
When the caller pointed out that the rocket launches didn’t start until AFTER Israel started going into Gaza to destroy the trade and supply routes from Egypt, and displacing already overcrowded people by tearing down even more housing, the Consular responded with the most curious answer:
“Now is not the time to start trying to assign blame. Assigning blame doesn’t solve this crisis. We shouldn’t be trying to assign blame.”
Huh?
First he blames Hamas for supposedly breaking the cease fire agreement that had been in place for six months — and everything was quiet — then when it is pointed out that it was actually Israel who violated the agreement and suddenly we can’t assign blame?
He couldn’t deny the fact that it was Israel who violated the terms first. So he tried to sidestep it by saying we need to find a solution instead of assigning blame. Of course the “solution” is to continue bombing and destruction. What has Israel accomplished? They killed one high-level Hamas leader — and his entire family of mostly children and women.
DJ-
Killing children happens on both sides. The difference is Moslems hide behind them for protection while at the same time threatening to kill their enemy’s children outright.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
of course not DJ, we would all be saying “Obama who?”.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
fixed it for ya’
Um, yeah. I’d say so. His point is valid, however. The magic mulatto has made speeches on the economy, on Mumbai, and on various other issues, even though he still has 15 days.
Why should he be silent now? Hmmmm…maybe because he’s been caught with his britches down, and doesn’t quite know what to do.
My guess he’s waiting till Hitlery is confirmed, and he’ll send in a MAN to do a boy’s work.
And from now on, I will refer to him as the Magic Mulatto, since he really IS mulatto, despite this fixation about his blackness from those on the left.
Jay,
I think you messed up the order. Republicans (especially W.) should be listed first. After all, he’s the cause of every problem in the whole entire world.
In Louisiana, the last 3 candidates with a D next to their names all embraced the sacrament of abortion wholeheartedly. That doesn’t play well in Louisiana.
Louisiana is also still rebuilding post-hurricane, and many of Obama’s core supporters left the area.
Ehrenstein conviently covered up Obama’s past so that the public was fooled into thinking he has no baggage.
Supplies like C-4, rockets, guns, ammo, homicide bombers.
Again, the only thing Obama has led on is the sale of his senate seat. I have seen no other leadership skills.
I’ve seen him flapping his gums, but no serious content has come out.
There is no claim, there is only fact. Reagan ended the rule of your precious Soviet Union.
I know you dearly wanted the Soviets to win, but good triumphed over evil yet again.