Bread And Circuses Before The Fall

Friends and LCs in a few short hours from now, we face perhaps, the greatest challenge our Republic has ever faced.  Decades of decadence, comfort and the ability to shed all responsibility onto the government have come to fruition.  What the average American has not and will not comprehend, is that our very form of freedom from tyranny has been voted away willfully,  with the collusion of our enemies and ourselves.  We survived wars because the enemy was not of us, but from foreign roots. This time, the scenario is deceitful, as the enemy is our own countrymen that have decided that life can be easier if we chose to delegate and rescind our individual responsibilities, suborning them to a faceless collectivism of socialist government. “Hope and Change” is not the battle cry of a nation, but the whimper of a society, that has grown decadent, lazy and complacent and only wishes “Bread and Circuses” and satellite TV.

In a few hours from now, we will have our “Bread and Circuses”, to our own demise as free individuals.

America, you have chosen to follow the path of the Roman Empire, totally ignorant of the circumstances of it’s demise.  Our only hope is to stand together against the tyranny of the ignorant masses, and carry on what we ALL know is the vision of the founders, who selflessly gave their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to ensure those unalienable rights, G-d given, would not and could not be taken away from America.

Let’s resolve here and now, that “Hope and Change” be our own battle cry, as a return to a just and moral people that the founders envisioned our form of government. We CAN and WILL use the very words of our enemies, to remain steadfast for Freedom.  I pray that our country can remain whole, as hundreds of thousands fought and died,  to maintain it’s integrity. We need to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in this committment for the sake of our posterity. America shall always stand, we are familiar and willing to pay any price, that G-d’s will be done for this great nation.

I pray tonight, that the clarion call is false and we’ll have 4-years of a totally inept and incompetent administration, yet in that we must be cautious.  The enemy IS at the gates, who will remain steadfast and loyal, ignoring the siren call of  leisure and laziness, simply attained by wearing the chains of an unaccountable government?

93 comments

  1. 51
    Light29ID says:

    well, It’s official, we are and truly fucked

  2. 52

    I don’t believe it! There’s STILL snow on the ground! What happened to him saving the planet from climate change? Hasn’t he been sworn in already? What’s he waiting for?

  3. 53
    LC FreedomFighter says:

    “If I surrender, kill me … if I go on the attack support me … if I fall in battle avenge and mourn me”

    This is the day we knew would eventually happen. Now it’s time. Those who know me know I am serious when I say ‘Maintain normal chatter or maintain radio silence ….. activate the Network ….. and let’s go to work saving this country’

    LCJackboot @:

    SO SAY WE ALL! :standing at attention and saluting:

    I knw CMBlake personally, were coverend on this end.

  4. 54
    LC Don_M says:

    LC Ranger 6, Imperial Wielder of The Rove:

    sonofabitch.
    They announced him as barack H. obama.
    All the other presidents had all three of their names announced.

    Yes, but he took the Oath of Office as Barack Hussein Obama — full name. That’s a whole helluva lot better than James Earl Carter Jr.’s inauguration 32 years ago, when he was sworn in as “Jimmy.”

    Light29ID

    well, It’s official, we are and truly fucked

    Yeah. What’s even more frightening for the future of the Republic is the so-called news media’s collective, ongoing tantric orgasm during the 72 hours preceding the inauguration. Are these people journalists, or employees of the Ministry of Truth?

    Here’s a good take from one of the few columnists who doesn’t have somethin’ somethin’ running down his leg right now:

    Unlike Media, Obama Knows He’s No Wizard

  5. 55
    LC FreedomFighter says:

    sonofabitch.

    They announced him as barack H. obama.

    All the other presidents had all three of their names announced.

    Is this honestly a surprise to you? Think about it. Imagine if they had used it, then all the ignorant bastards at the mall would have shit themselves and left. How AWSOME would that have been!?

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  9. 59
    LC Guy S says:

    From the frozen hinterlands of northern Illinois (where our Governors make our license plates!!), got your northern flanks covered. Took the oath more then a handful of times over the course of 20 some odd years. Retired, but never stopped believing or following said oath … “Against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic…”

    Count me in.

  10. 60

    DJIA down 2.5%. Not quite as much as I expected. Of course, there’s still some time left in the day.

    I really have no excuse to slack off on my epic propaganda project now.

  11. 61

    If y’all get the chance, head on over to Drudge and check out the pic of Emmanuel on the right-hand side of the page.

    The adults have left the White House.

  12. 62

    His Eminence the Lord President Barack H. Obama, Lowerer of the Seas, Defender of the Polar Bears, King of Scotland, Honorary Knight in the Order of William and Bernardine, Constitutional Scholar and Professor of Geography will not stand for this insolence coming out of Wall Street.

    They dare to embarrass His Excellency on the day of His glorious Ascension by bringing the Dow more than 3 percent (260 points!) below yesterday? I dare say an emergency executive order will be forthcoming to prevent it from closing below 8000. Within one week the DJIA shall be required to rise OVER 9000!

  13. 63
    LC Rurik says:

    I have lost my country. The land in which I dwell is no longer the country in which I was born. We ae under hostile occupation. I pledge to resist by all moral means to regain the land of my birth. So help me God.

  14. 64

    Dow Jones Industrial Average, closed today at 7949.09, down 332.13 (-4.01%). I had predicted -400 today, and I guess I wasn’t too far off.

  15. 65
    LC Gunsniper says:

    LC Guy S sez:

    From the frozen hinterlands of northern Illinois (where our Governors make our license plates!!), got your northern flanks covered. Took the oath more then a handful of times over the course of 20 some odd years. Retired, but never stopped believing or following said oath … “Against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic…”

    Count me in.

    And I’ve got your back up here in the northeastern corner of Ill-Annoys. That’s what we gunbunnies do. I took that same oath over twenty years ago and it still stands today, tomorrow and forever.

  16. 66
    LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret says:

    In 1977, and every 4 years for a total of 26, 2 months, 14 days, I repeated the following:

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

    And you’re correct, there Darth, there IS a line about both the President and the UCMJ, which states the member does have to follow LAWFUL orders. Anything against the people of the US (violation of Posse Comitatus) or the Constitution would be unlawful, and grounds to ignore said order. I know you were messing about, Darth, but I still think there’s some here that don’t know what we raise our hands for as part of that service to our country.

    And I checked, there’s no expiration date and you’re not relieved of the oath when you separate or retire…

  17. 67
    Eyas says:

    Since Cicero has been quoted twice already, and today was inauguration day, I thought I’d ask if it bugs anyone else that most people (& all of the MSM) routinely credit John Kennedy’s inaugural address as the source of “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” rather than crediting Cicero with the quote?

    I don’t really have anything against JFK, but this has always bothered me.

    —————

    Also, I wanted to thank God that our Founding Fathers left a voluminous record of writings and quotations, so that we know that they meant what they said, and that the things they said were consistent with other things they had said; so we know that quotations of them are in context and reflect what they truly understood and felt — and were not isolated comments taken out of context, and unrepresentative of their true beliefs and policies.

    Why am I thanking God for this?

    I’ll answer with another question:

    Which American President said, “America has carried on … because we The People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forebears, and true to our founding documents.”?????

  18. 68
    LC gahaze says:

    Photobucket

  19. 69

    LC Old Dog @ 18: It is for life, not for but the term.
    glasshalfempty sez:

    I WILL remember my oath to the Constitution. Not to some farce that Obama’s sicophants are going to try to build and replace our country’s with, but THE Constitution.

    Indeed.
    Grimlock @ 24: YES
    annoyinglittletwerp @ 27: YES
    Light29ID sez:

    This nation has a malignant cancer on its soul that will either kill us or it will have to be removed by force, at that will be a very prolonged and bloody procedure.

    Careful, precise surgery. We have the intel, we have the comm, we have the tactics. Could be done in 30 minutes or less.
    Cicero @ 29: YES
    SeniorD sez:

    The American Spirit, like the Thunderbird Phoenix, will come out of this stronger with an unwavering focus upon He Who grants our inalienable rights.

    Hopefully we won’t see this again for a century.
    Joseph sez:

    Now the Centurions of the US must stand fast to protect our rights and our fellow citizens.

    Sharpen your swords and prepare for battle…in the media, in the courts and at the last extreme, in the streets.

    Indeed, indeed.
    LC FreedomFighter @ 38: Excellent. Excellent.
    Rain @ 46: For LIFE!
    LC Darth Scoundrel @ 47: I was about to get upset at you. Sorry bro’, this ain’t fuckin’ funny.
    Light29ID @ 52: Amazing! Exactly what I said to my wife on that terrible night.
    LC Guy S @ 60: Do. NOT. Forget. EVER!
    LC Rurik @ 64: We WILL take it back. By vote, or by force.
    LC George, Apocryphal Prophet @ 65: I’ll refrain from the sarc I would have fired. Fuckin’ duh. Not toward you, toward the nation as a whole. Idiots thought “teh MESSIAH” would fix it.
    LC Gunsniper @ 66: Indeed.
    LC&IB Vulcanrider, MSgt, USAF, Ret @ 67: Indeed, as well. CATM.
    Personally, I tried to explain it. I don’t think I did badly.
    Eyas: You are wise as well. I’ve been well impressed by your statements. You get it.
    There are always so many to quote or comment. THIS is a family.

  20. 70
    LC Guy S says:

    Vulcanrider

    Those are my exact same feelings regarding the oath. It doesn’t stop just because one is off the “active rolls” so to speak. Tis why, along those same lines of thought, there is no such thing (with two noted exceptions) as an “ex-Marine”.

  21. 71

    Every conservative bloggershould paste this (with reference of course) onto their blog, and have a sidebar link to it.

    I’ll be getting mine together imediately.

    RWR
    http://www.rightwingrocker.com

  22. 72
    StillWater says:

    Greetings from the Western US.

    I, too, pledge to defend our country and constitution in any manner I am able, from enemies within or without.

    Although I’m just a civilian, I make this pledge humbly and sincerely.

  23. 73
    LC Rowane says:

    I took the Oath July 8, 1980 and renewed it every four years until 1992. :em04:

    When they come for my guns I’ll add to my honor guard by stacking them like cord-wood until one of the libstains gets in a lucky shot. I’ve enough ammo to withstand a siege and, as always, plenty of provisions. :em96:

    Obambi is NOT my president, he is unfit for command and I suspect not even a citizen of our country. I will afford this nimrod with exactly the same respect and honor that the left has shown President Bush for the past 8 years. :em58:

    as you can probably tell, I’m about halfway through a half-gallon of Jack, I don’t usually ramble like this.

  24. 74
    LC Rowane says:

    Moderation my tired arse

  25. 75
    LC Draco says:

    LC Rowane…./nod

    Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment (or of the Rangers).

    Darby Queen and the Worm Pit still sucks!!! :em02:

  26. 76
    LC BogVojnyj says:

    Well said. This is one redneck clinging to his guns and religion. We’ll get ’em back in 2010 and 2012!

    I, Bog Vojnyj, remember the oath that I have sworn to the Constitution and this country.

  27. 77

    LC Rowane @ 74: 12 pack of Steel Reserve and some ??????? ??????????? ???????. Hooah!
    I figured a cyrrilic wording most appropriate, but apparently not the site. All those ?s are supposed to say Russian Standard Vodka.

  28. 78
    Tallulah says:

    In the giant Madison Avenue ad agency where I work, they had the full-on Soviet propaganda shit going today; a poster of Big Brother/Obama, 20 feet high, projected onto the wall of the lobby, with his inauguration speech blaring in a continuous loop from the PA system! Also a series of lighted panels along the side wall, each four feet high, with the Fuhrer’s face and quotes from his Little Red Sayings. And bunting as a sarcastic flip-off to American patriots.

    I almost vomited.

    The “artist,” a piece of shit who lives in San Francisco (natch), is this guy named Shepard Fairey (appropos, non?). Here’s an online tidbit about this motherfucker:

    Artist Admits Soviet Propaganda Influenced His Obama Posters

    “The San Francisco Chronicle states that one of the artists, Shepard
    Fairey, is straightforward and clear about this.

    http://sfchronicle.us/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/18/DD0M12SGK
    http://www.obamaartreport.com/2008/08/obama-art-report-in-san-francis

    Fairey designed the poster with the word HOPE at the bottom, and now
    says this about that:

    ‘The image has been interpreted by critics as either capturing the
    inspiration Obama embodies or as just downright creepy in its
    propagandistic depiction of the political figure.
    The portrait, in
    muted tones, takes cues from socialist realism and is reminiscent of
    posters created to celebrate Lenin, Stalin and Mao.’

    Fairey has enjoyed this debate. “The illustration does have roots in propaganda art,”
    Fairey said. “I also want it to seem like a patriotic image, but not be seen as too countercultural. … It needed just enough mainstream ingredients to transcend.”‘

    “Fairey purposely used a red-black-cream palette, the color scheme most associated with Soviet-era posters.”

    “Propaganda hits you in the gut. And it’s proven to be effective.” Fairey said.

    “You don’t question the authority,” Fairey said of his creation. “You
    submit, because you think, ‘It’s so intricately designed, it can’t be questioned,’ “

    referring to the Soviet propaganda posters from the 1920’s through WWII. The Obama poster looks like it is influenced by “Glory be to the people’s heroes from Potemkin” from the 1920’s.
    http://theroadworthyman.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/soviet-retro-propaga

    “Staff makes all the difference” from 1935
    http://sovietposter.blogspot.com/2007/12/stuff-that-matters.html

    and “Keep Quiet” from 1941.
    http://sovietposter.blogspot.com/2007/12/silence-is-gold.html

    I want this guy’s entrails dragged out and set fire to in front of his fucking face. These bastards aren’t even bothering to lie about their true nature any more. They think they have their jackboots on our faces already. This is serious shit, folks.

    Please excuse the boldfacing — in cyberspace, no one can hear you scream.

  29. 79

    Tallulah @ 79: Damn. THAT was superb!

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    Grimlock says:

    LC gahaze sez:

    (picture of soldier with M1)

    If only I had an M1 do to some talking with. But a pair of SKSs should do just fine for now.

  31. 81
    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    #40 Bruce

    I am way late to this thread, having been busy occupied on another and elsewhere.

    May I respectfully submit that as important, or perhaps more so, as the reaction you have when they come for you and yours; is going to be what your reaction is when they come for a neighbor, or someone across town, or elsewhere in the County, State, etc.

    Individually, anyone can be overwhelmed. The idea is not to be a Muslim style martyr. The idea is for American patriots collectively to defend the Constitution, wherever and whenever necessary. But a purely passive defense is a sure recipe for defeat.

    We do not know when and where Merriam’s Corner will reappear. What we can know, in our hearts, is what we will do if we are there at the time.

    LC Subotai Bahadur

  32. 82

    LC Subotai Bahadur sez:

    The idea is for American patriots collectively to defend the Constitution, wherever and whenever necessary. But a purely passive defense is a sure recipe for defeat.

    We do not know when and where Merriam’s Corner will reappear. What we can know, in our hearts, is what we will do if we are there at the time.

    Indeed.

  33. 83
    ctwelve says:

    To Misha, the Rottweiler;

    My name is Justin, and I have been lurking on your website for several years now, since before I joined the Air Force in 2004. I have described my political ideology variously as Libertarian or Classically Liberal. And, like you, I am politically opposed to our new President, Barack Hussein Obama. There is a significant difference between us, however. You reject the legitimacy of President Obama. I’m not an especially tactful person, so let me be blunt; this belief is ignorant and greatly harms our cause in political opposition.

    Most of the argument, as I understand it, centers around Obama’s birth certificate, the idea being that it was forged or nonexistent. This has been shown to be false repeatedly, separately, independently and thoroughly. For a glancing attack, see:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/

    I cannot, of course, know what sources and methods you would approve of, so let me instead dispel the argument with Occam’s Razor:

    1. If Obama was legally born in Hawaii,
    a. surely there would be a newspaper announcement about just that.
    2. On the premise in (1), a search of the Internet yields the correct paper and date:
    a. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser
    b. Corroboration with multiple sources strongly suggests the newspaper entry is genuine.
    3. Given (2) is true, this yields two possibilities.
    a. That Barack Hussein Obama is a U.S. Citizen, and so by extension qualified as President,
    b. A conspiracy is in place to forge Obama’s citizenship.
    4. Theoretically, given (3)(b), the conspiracy would need to either:
    a. Steal the identity of a legitimate natural Person named Barack Hussein Obama, born in Hawaii,
    b. Replace all offending entries of the Honolulu Observer, everywhere, in every library & depository, in all electronic databases, and in all printed copies, secretly, with everyone involved a member of the conspiracy,
    c. Barack Obama is a planted identity created as part of a multi-decade¬ conspiracy to place the current President in office.

    The conclusion is obvious to even a brief logical attack. This is a conspiracy theory worthy of any Moonbat. To believe that his citizenship is false, you must ignore all logic and evidence to the favor of preference and emotion. This is not political discourse. This is mental disorder, of the kind we’ve been accusing the Loony Left for years now. It is Obama Derangement Syndrome.

    That is something we cannot afford or indulge in at this moment in history. If we are to form a loyal opposition, we must keep in mind our enemy. And the enemy is studying us at this very moment. Why shall we give then this weapon? Imagine how any objection can be met by simply referencing this thought. “Lower taxes? What do you know, you’re deep in wacko conspiracy theories!”

    And this is the heart of why I am writing this. You lead a large community, and have much power and influence. You can use your power constructively like you have so many times in the past, or you can neuter the opposition before President Obama’s first week is finished. The choice is yours.

    Respectfully,

    Justin Croonenberghs

  34. 84
    TerribleTroy says:

    Sooooooo….. Justin has been “lurking” for the past years, “since he joined the air force”, and just wants to join in and remark on a topic that has been bandied for how many months now? What ? Did it take him that long to come to a determination, or just marshall all those fine reputable links together? I mean after all we all know that wikipedia is a dead on accurate source of information, not like its dependant on “contributions” from any ole person.

    Ok Justin…. you’ve been officially replied to, now keep on trollin along, keep moving… thats right… move along now.

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    And he says his politics are libertarian or classically liberal ..

    Um, dumbass, has anyone told you to open a dictionary? They’re mutually contradictory.

    What rank do you have in the Air Force, ‘Justin’, and what do you do exactly? Where are you stationed?

  36. 86

    ctwelve sez:

    This has been shown to be false repeatedly, separately, independently and thoroughly. For a glancing attack, see:
    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
    I cannot, of course, know what sources and methods you would approve of, so let me instead dispel the argument with Occam’s Razor:
    1. If Obama was legally born in Hawaii,
    a. surely there would be a newspaper announcement about just that.
    2. On the premise in (1), a search of the Internet yields the correct paper and date:
    a. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser
    b. Corroboration with multiple sources strongly suggests the newspaper entry is genuine.
    3. Given (2) is true, this yields two possibilities.
    a. That Barack Hussein Obama is a U.S. Citizen, and so by extension qualified as President,
    b. A conspiracy is in place to forge Obama’s citizenship.
    4. Theoretically, given (3)(b), the conspiracy would need to either:
    a. Steal the identity of a legitimate natural Person named Barack Hussein Obama, born in Hawaii,
    b. Replace all offending entries of the Honolulu Observer, everywhere, in every library & depository, in all electronic databases, and in all printed copies, secretly, with everyone involved a member of the conspiracy,
    c. Barack Obama is a planted identity created as part of a multi-decade¬ conspiracy to place the current President in office.

    1. a. This is not necessarily true. Different newspapers have different guidelines for publishing birth announcements, just as they have for obits.
    2. a. Wikianything is unreliable. Most of the instructors where I teach don’t allow it…for ANY reason.
    b. There is also corroboration from relatives in Kenya who claim to have been at the hospital there
    3. And if (2) is NOT true?
    3. a. Yes, there could be a conspiracy to forge the BC, but it’s not likely. It’s more likely that he’s hiding something he doesn’t want the American public to see…like place of birth, or possibly that BO, Sr. is not his father.
    4 b. No, all that is needed for (3)(b) is for BO to refuse to release his bc, and pay over a million dollars to avoid having to do just that.

    No one is claiming a conspiracy. We would just like PROOF (beyond Salon, Snopes, and Factcheck) of his citizenship.

  37. 87
    LC Guy S says:

    Justin,

    First off, thank you for caring for the torch of freedom (as many from my generation and before have … and a number of Rotts are among the ranks as well.) in your wearing of “Air Force Blue”.

    Second, your argument is laid out nicely. And unlike the trolls who stop by here to dump on the carpet, done in a civil manner.

    However, (you knew that was coming didn’t ya *grin*.) regarding the following:

    There is a significant difference between us, however. You reject the legitimacy of President Obama. I’m not an especially tactful person, so let me be blunt; this belief is ignorant and greatly harms our cause in political opposition.

    First off when debating calling the other party “ignorant” instead, how about something along the lines of “your accepting of the alleged ‘fact’ Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, is false, and this is why.”

    This tends to lessen the chance the folks you are addressing will fire back with an emotional response vice “constructive criticism”.

    Going on to your list of “sources”. Yes they have information regarding Obama’s birth. But NONE of them are “unbiased”. Even Snopes, tho to give that particular site credit, they have changed their stance on any number of issues they are documenting as “true or false” if enough valid source material is given to them. I am willing to bet if Obama’s complete and valid birth certificate came to light and showed he was born either out of the US or at such time as the law would not have allowed him to be a natural born citizen due to his mothers age etc, they (Snopes) would change their stance.

    The short answer, yes we would not accept “your sources” (for this argument) to be valid.

    On to your “test of logic” via Occam’s Razor:

    1. If Obama was legally born in Hawaii,
    a. surely there would be a newspaper announcement about just that.
    2. On the premise in (1), a search of the Internet yields the correct paper and date:
    a. http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser
    b. Corroboration with multiple sources strongly suggests the newspaper entry is genuine.

    You are correct, in there was “a newspaper announcement”, further you are correct in that the entry itself was genuine (not a “faked” news article). Where you get into trouble, and indeed debase your whole foundation, is assuming the article states he was in fact “born” in Hawaii. It does not. All it states it on Aug 4th, they had a baby entered into the Hawaii Bureau of Heath records. This ties in (indirectly) with the argument about a certificate of birth, which anyone can get, regardless of where the child was born, in Hawaii, for “x” amount of dollars. In an of itself, the news article proves nothing, other then he “was born” (vice hatched or immaculately concepted).

    Once you make this error, the rest of your deductive reasoning is corrupted.

    The conclusion is obvious to even a brief logical attack. This is a conspiracy theory worthy of any Moonbat.

    Having shown your logic to be at fault, the statement above is also wrong.

    A) The conclusion is not obvious (brief attack with or without logic).
    B) This is NOT, nor (for most of us…I can not and will not speak for all) has it ever been to my mind “a conspiracy theory”. Indeed, as has been said here countless times (and if you are the “lurker” you claim to be, it would be surprising that you had not seen this already) most of us have grave doubts about Obama’s place. date. time of birth. And the simplest/easiest way of ending all the rumors which have floated on the net (and fringes of the media) would be for him to produce a legitimate/certified copy (or the original) of his full birth certificate. Then this whole thing goes away. Hell, it’s a win-win for him. He gets to rub our collective noses in the mud, and rates himself a big “see, I told ya so!”.

    Take the time, if you so desire, to look up and view the various legal briefs out there on cases which were presented in court (some still pending at higher judicial levels, if I am not mistaken) which address this very thing. Despite what one may feel toward the various litigants, the questions/facts presented, are just that, and not some massive conspiracy. The truth is out there and so are the questions. Time will tell as to who was right. For my money, I am betting there is more then a minor technicality here …. one which could cause the 44th President to shorten his term of office considerably, if brought to the light of day.

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    LC Guy S says:

    Since when, in holy hell, have I needed to either “wait for moderation” or even “be moderated”!!!
    And where did the edit function go????

  39. 89

    Sorry, Guy S, Akismet has been more neurotic than usual these days, but I rescued you.

    Also, nice summary. I got the exact same missive from Justin via email today and I replied much along the same lines as you just did. I don’t have much to add. Only my bottom line, which is this, and I quote myself:

    All that being said, it’s really not about whose claims are more trustworthy. It’s the fact that it’s a matter of “he said, she said” at ALL. Let’s face it, Justin, if Obama really IS natural born, then producing the evidence would be the easiest thing known to mankind. Irrefutable, printed proof. End of discussion. I for one wouldn’t utter a word about it ever again other than “what took you so damn long, moron?” Think about it for a moment, Justin. If I were to seek employment and I needed to have a BA in economics and I told my employers “sure I have a diploma, but you can’t see it. But I do have all of these guys who will swear up and down that I have one and here’s a picture of me getting drunk on graduation day.”

    When all I had to do was to get a notarized photocopy of a document easily obtained by myself. Let’s take it one step further and say that, instead of paying Kinko’s 25 cents and a notary public a few bucks, I went on to pay millions of dollars in legal fees to keep my diploma secret.

    I don’t know about you, but I’m an analyst by profession, and if there is one thing I KNOW, then it’s that somebody going to that amount of trouble to keep something hidden, then it’s because there’s something to HIDE. I don’t know WHAT there is to hide, the analyst in me keeps me from making statements about that which I cannot know, but I know that he’s hiding SOMETHING.

    And, as one of the 300 million employers of Obama, I don’t think it’s all that unreasonable that we get to see what it is. I know that any prospective employer *I* have ever applied with would have thrown me out on my ears if I’d refused to give him basic information and proof like that.

    Is he foreign born or is there something else in his original birth certificate that is embarrassing? I don’t know. The only thing that I can say, with a confidence rating of about 99%, is that he’s hiding something. Nothing else could possibly explain his obstructionism. No sane person would behave like that if he had nothing to hide. I suppose he could be clinically insane, but I’m not going to go there without proof either.

    That’s all I’m asking for: Proof.

    And presented with that, I’d be only too happy to consider the matter settled.

    “Millions for legal obstructionism, not one penny for Kinko’s”

    If that doesn’t make one’s spidey sense tingle, then one needs a recalibration. Right now.

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    BigDogg says:

    ctwelve sez:

    To Misha, the Rottweiler;
    My name is Justin, and I have been lurking on your website for several years now, since before I joined the Air Force in 2004. I have described my political ideology variously as Libertarian or Classically Liberal. And, like you, I am politically opposed to our new President, Barack Hussein Obama.

    Seminar caller … NEXT!

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    LC Guy S says:

    Sire, thank you for the kind words. I was giving Justin the benefit of the doubt regarding his service and being that he was civil, his argument as well. Also (assuming it is his “real name”, and I have no reason to doubt otherwise) he “did” “sign” his whole name at the end of his comment, something the majority of trolls (not saying he is one) would never do.

    And I have always had a soft spot for the Air Force. When ever we deployed to an Air Force base, in short order we, eat their chow hall outta all their “eats” with in a week. We “took over” their clubs (and significant others) even faster. I remember one AF type asked one of the gals why they went and partied with the Navy/Marines instead of them. Her reply was: “Because they are more fun!” … so I felt it only right an proper to help him out.

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    Fmwoods01 says:

    And where did the edit function go????

    Been having problems like that also. IE doesn’t display comment numbers, spellcheck, or edit functions. Netscape Navigator works fine.

    D’

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    Emperor Misha I @ 90: Simple, cold hard logic. Excellent.

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