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Contrary to the common misconception here that I somehow hate George W. Bush — a characterization that I have had to continually deny here for the past eight years — I thought I would take some time an point out something that he has gotten right.
George W. Bush Secretly Visits Fort Hood Victims
Former President George W. Bush and his wife Laura secretly visited Fort Hood last night and spent “considerable time” consoling those who were wounded in Thursday’s shooting spree, Fox News has learned.
The Bushes entered and departed the sprawling military facility in secret, having told the base commander they did not want press coverage of their visit, a source told Fox News.
The couple was described as “deeply concerned” about military families on Fort Hood after Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly opened fire on soldiers and civilians, killing 13 and wounding 38.
The Bushes, who have a 1,600-acre property known as Prairie Chapel Ranch less than 30 miles from Fort Hood in central Texas, spent between one and two hours visiting the wounded and their families.
I might disagree with the man on many of his policies and actions, but I have never doubted his sincerity and humanity.
Oh, and this will be an open thread.
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I have strong disagreements with GWB on the war (he didn’t prosecute it agressively enough), and the economy (Paulson rolled him).
BUT, it’s abundantly clear that he has more class in one of his toenail clippings than the current occupiers of the White House have in their entire bodies.
HoundOfDoom sez:
I feel he didn’t deal with Afghanistan at all, and never should have diverted to Iraq. I think Bush got rolled by Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Paulson and his “banksters” did roll Bush, and they continue to roll Obama now.
And when is the current CIC going to Ft. Hood??
Who the fuck knows?
Dancing around with all those Indians wore the poor schmuck out. He needs some time off.
LC Mrs. M-ITT™-Imperial Sniper sez:
Did you want him to publicly go so you can accuse him of doing it for a photo op?
If he ran right over there you would have attacked him for putting his face all over the tragedy. If he doesn’t go, you attack him for “not caring”. If he shows up later, then you attack him for bowing to your pressure.
The man can’t win no matter what he does.
As we’ve learned from both Bush and Obama, schedules don’t mean squat. A president is liable to have one thing down on the schedule and actually show up somewhere else.
Bush is 30 miles away and really doesn’t have anything pressing to do, so he is able to drop that crocheting or water painting or whatever else it is that he has been doing and take a few hours to visit with the wounded.
Obama, on the other hand, has some other things going at the moment — by virtue of the fact that he currently has a job — and his schedule isn’t quite as flexible as George’s.
President Bush did this a lot during his term, he went to Walter Reed many times in private…..he was decent enough to not permit a bunch of cameras clicking away in the faces of wounded heroes trying to recover in peace.
Deej, if I may be permitted to light a fire here….it was just last week that you said that president uhhhhhhbama’s photo op with our fallen heroes was more than Bush ever did.
Who would have ever thought such a thing? President Bunnypants certainly conveyed what respect you had for the man- and his office.
DJ, I want to thank you for letting me know this. Because I can’t stand to turn on the TV these days, if it wasn’t for you, I would have probably never even heard about this.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
could be.
since he got his fingers burnt the last time he grabbed one i can understand Mr. Obama hesitating at this time.
but i am sure he will not let this crisis go to waste.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Ya know, the Obamanation doesn’t have to have the press around him at all times.
Within days of the 9/11 attacks, Bush was in NYC, speaking by megaphone to the crowd. Obama couldn’t even be bothered to acknowledge it as a matter of any importance in a speech he was giving as the events were unfolding.
Obama threw a police officer under the bus, cause his friend was arrested, while not knowing the details of the investigation, then the day after this happens, he can’t be bothered to acknowledge what the whole damn nation is thinking about the shooter, saying that he doesn’t want to speculate? WTF?
Obama can’t win any way it’s presented cause, if it weren’t for John McCain, there would be no Obama as the precedent.
It seems to me that if he gave a shit, he’d go no matter what anybody thought.
Sure he can! All he has to do is renounce his leftist, socialist ideology! (Yes, I know. When pigs fly, when hell freezes over, etc.)
“Crocheting”? “Water painting”? (Then again you might have meant “Water boarding”
)
The disdain you have for the man is almost palatable…..
Like planning his next vacation?
His next golf outing?
His next photo-op?
How to cram as many socialist programs as possible down our throats before 2010?
That’s a pretty full plate.
To be fair though, Rahm Emanuel keeps him on a pretty short leash…
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery sez:
What I said was in reference to Obama showing up at Dover. Bush never did — even though Liz Cheney tried to insinuate that he did.
LC Mrs. M-ITT™-Imperial Sniper sez:
Apparently, he is going there Tuesday. So which attack is it going to be?
passionate conservative sez:
Really. Not according to any of the polls done at the time. Obama came out ahead in every scenario. There just wasn’t a front runner on the Right that stood out well enough for your side to really get behind, and so far I don’t see a viable front runner right now for the 2012 election. If there is going to be a solid standout for the Right, it is going to be a relative unknown at this time. Nobody from the current cast of characters will be that person.
Besides, it wasn’t the Democrats that picked McCain, it was the Republicans, either directly, or wasting their vote trying to get Hilary nominated so they could run against her.
Barth Dacron sez:
Bunnypants was favorite term of endearment for Bush. It was his panting-like giggle that earned the name. That and Chuckles.
You see, I have no problem with making fun of the man — and Bush was fun to make fun of. He was incredibly easy to make fun of. Jugears is well within bounds also. It isn’t about disrespecting the Office, but the man is never off-limits.
Caricature has always been a tool to describe public figures. Look at any political editorial cartoon.
You will note that the only opposition I have to the many different names and characterizations used here for Obama, is when they border or even delve right into the territory of having a derogatory racial reference. Because then you are no longer attacking the man for who he is, but for what his genetic makeup is.
Elephant Man sez:
Apparently he is going — but maybe not as quickly as you’d like it. Of course maybe he really doesn’t care what you think.
Elephant Man sez:
Of course that “leftist, socialist ideology” is what got him elected in the first place. The biggest complaint that I have heard from Liberals and Progressives is that since he has gotten elected, he hasn’t really followed through on any of that.
Elephant Man sez:
Not at all. I don’t know what the hell he has been doing other than just taking it easy. Somehow I don’t see him out there mowing the lawn or working on Laura’s Honey-do list around the house. Besides, what the hell is wrong with crocheting? I crochet a lot myself. I also knit. It is something I took up first while recovering from being wounded. If I am watching a DVD here, I will usually be knitting so that I don’t sit there stuffing my face with junk food.
Elephant Man sez:
Exactly how many days has Obama been on vacation so far this term? Would you care to look up the record set for vacations of a sitting president? Do I need to remind you who holds that record?
Elephant Man sez:
Exactly how many has he crammed down your through so far? More than any other president? I am not talking about those proposed, or even being debated right now, because none of those are a done and completed deal yet.
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
Endearment. Right.
BTW, I’m looking to purchase a bridge. Something connecting say, Brooklyn and Manhattan.
Got anything you might be willing to sell me?
Oh, no it ain’t, and you know it…
What ‘got him elected’ was calculated ambiguity. He took advantage of a disillusioned, easily-cowed electorate, and an eager, compliant media which spent 8 years punishing Americans for not electing the GoreBot, by divulging State Secrets, and stuff like the VP’s summer address. Of course, had he been up front about his philosophy on the relationship between citizens and government, he’d have been defeated soundly. People wanted a different president- not fundamental transformation of America.
My evidence?
The people who in increasing droves are abandoning their support for not only Obama, but his whole cohort of ridiculous propeller-headed looters, and their policies.
Not only that, but he’s also losing support even among those who understood his real messianic intent, and looked favorably on it. He hasn’t done a single thing he’s promised anyone. Why? Because the toughest thing Barack Obama has ever done is get himself picked for nice things. Now that he’s actually running the show, he’s learning that, well, Governing is hard. A lot harder than getting people to like you. So Popularity-Contest Obama takes over, and conducts his administration as if what’s important is not what you promised, or even the Peoples’ Business, but maintaining peoples’ high opinion of him.
The issue with 0bama is not whether he’s going to Ft. Hood or not.
The issue is his credibility. First mistake upon mistake (stimulus, jobs saved, transparency, communist czars, cash for clunkers, Poland (!), and on and on) , dither upon dither (health care, afpak, Iran, etc.) , and finally, his giving a ’shout out’ to his peeps before settling down to a ’solemn’ speech about the shootings.
When your credibility is toast, it doesn’t matter what you do, you are simply not believable anymore.
Go, don’t go. I don’t give a shit.
In post #11, DJ said:
I can’t disagree with that.
W was in many ways a bad president. Did some absolutely indefensible things – No Child Left Behind and Medicare Drug Coverage. Took some poor advice on Iraq. But the one thing I cannot fault him for was his aggressive stance on pursuing Islamicists. Also, from all accounts, he was and is deeply affected by servicemen and women’s injuries and deaths. He always too time to meet with families and showed compassion and too abuse from bereaved families. He visited troops in the field. History will look upon W a lot more kindly than it will on Clinton and Barry.
HoundOfDoom sez:
Which is why I change the channel and look for a good infomercial every time he shows up for a sound bite. Komrade Zero lies as often as he exhales, so I’ve gone from listening, to tuning out what he has to say, to tuning him out completely and immediately, every single time I see that mug appear on screen. The man is a cynical, loathsome Chicago creep who’s spent a career hanging out with looters, thugs and worse. At least the Sham-Wow guy seems capable of faking sincerity, which is a lot more than you can say about That One.
(italics mine)
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
How so?
DJ Allyn, ITW sez:
I beg to differ sir, here is a direct quote from your post:
That sounds like quite a general statement to me, nothing in there about Dover.
well, I’ll throw the BS flag on that one as well. According to the Urban dictionary, the definition of Bunnypants is this:
funny, but insulting to the commander in chief.
He’s got to have time to set up an adoring media welcome first.
As far as he not caring what I think, trust me, I’m not going to lose any sleep.
Er, no…what got him elected was vacuous promises for “hope and change”.
Now that his agenda has become apparent, his poll numbers are dropping accordingly.
Actually, that’s a good idea.
Crocheting and knitting definitely keeps the hands busy and the alternative wouldn’t be acceptable in “polite company” and…uh…never mind, I’ve said too much already.
At the rate he’s going, I think he’s going to make a run at Dubya’s record.
None of major consequence yet, but it’s not for the lack of trying…..
Barth Dacron sez:
I know a guy who knows a guy.
I will have my own names for Obama soon enough. “President Oblivious” seems to be working its way up the list. But as I have consistently said in the past, I usually wait about 12 months before I really start being critical of a president. I didn’t become really critical of Bush until towards the end of 2002. In fact, in late 2001 and early 2002, I was immensely proud of the man.
You didn’t know me during the Clinton years, but I was highly critical of Clinton. Not for the Right-wing attacks, but based solely on a lot of his policies and actions.
I don’t plan on treating Obama any differently. I am realistic enough to know that there isn’t going to be ANY president or politician that is not going to really disappoint me in at least a couple of important areas. Corruption, negligence, mistakes, indifference — something is going to contribute to them doing something that is going to piss me off. But I doubt it will be for any of the reasons that most of you are using right now.
The Lone Haranguer sez:
I’m not sure how much clearer I can get on that. The fact is, we are “suddenly” discovering that Afghanistan is a “problem” and that things aren’t quite going the way they should have — after all of these years. In other words, even though we’ve had a presence in that geographic spot on the map, and installed a corrupt government that we’ve been supporting all of this time, we have gotten nowhere. Now you want Obama to rush right in because “time’s a-wastin’”. The argument is plain: Bush should have paid MUCH more attention to Afghanistan instead of focusing on Iraq – which had nothing to do with anything.
I predict another economic failure soon enough, because simply shoveling money at the same twats that got us into this mess without breaking them up and installing rules and guidelines to prevent future failures, they are only going to continue on the same road to destruction. And they are — for them, it is still business as usual.
Even though GWB is NOT a conservative and I disagreed with most of his domestic policies, I never once thought he didn’t truly care about the US and the American people.
He and Laura (and his parents) are good, caring people. You cannot say the same about the current White House couple.
I think that’s become abundantly clear DJ…dontcha think? Not something I’d be so proud of though considering he is the prez of ALL the people, not just those who voted for him, and therefore should be open to ALL views on important issues such as…uuuuhhh, HEALTHCARE???
In regards to The Lone Haranguer’s comment @ :
The original bailout was something like 12 pages of law that basically gave Paulson the keys to the US Treasury, with no oversight. The quote I recall from the time was that the US Economy is 50 trades away from going into another great depression.
This meme went to Congress, grew into a hundreds page long bill, and we were off to the races. Paulson gathered the heads of several of our largest banking institutions in a weekend meeting and FORCED them to take bailout money.
The banks took it, and invested in various markets. I believe that JP Morgan had a tremendous year. Bank of America was forced to buy Merill Lynch, and AIG continued (and continues) to suck cash to cover insurance on bad mortgage bonds.
I called my congressman and stated that I would rather let the mess crash and have Great Depression II than go broke the way this bailout was structured. Now, we are in Depression II, and the treasury is dry.
And, the rest of the workd loves us, because we covered their bad investment decisions. And the banks still are not lending to small US businesses. But the govertnment takeover of the banking system is well under way. Recall that execs at TARP banks just got a 90% pay cut. I missed the part in the constitution where a ‘czar’ has the authority to do that.
That’s why I think Bush got rolled. Nice guy, did a lot of good things, but here, he f*#ked up.
DJ: Like a typical pussy footing, cowardly, jizm sucking, anus licking, cock nuzzling liberal, tries to show his “humanity” by throwing a bone to GWB because our boys were massacred by a liberal muslim. Fuck DJ.
When Obambi goes to FT. Hood it will ONLY be to mourn the loss of a fellow mooseturd.
The Bush clan has more class in their pinkies than the entire Obama administration combined, who are just plain pinko assholes every one. I am almost 99% convinced that Obama is a Muslim to the core, the other church stuff is just a veneer for show and it is going to split through the skin one of these days for all to see. Crunchies words ring more true with every passing minute and don’t hold your breath on Odumnuts visting TX for any reason any time soon.
It’s called taqyia. Mooseturds can lie as long a it benefits pIslam.
In regards to DJ Allyn, ITW’s comment @ :
I was not asking about Afghanistan, but about how Bush, and now Obama, got “rolled” by Paulson.
Terrapod sez:
I tend to agree. Remember the interview,when he “misspoke” about his Muslim faith, and was corrected by (stephy, was it?)?
I have NEVER EVER heard a Christian misspeak about his/her faith. EVER.
In regards to DJ Allyn, ITW’s comment @ :
DJ I try to be polite to all but what you said really annoyed me. This is not unusual behavior by W and Laura – years from now we might get a clearer picture of the number of times they met with soldiers and families of soldiers.
The difference being they kept it quiet and under wraps……..the current President has never missed an opportunity for photo op. As it was he was more concerned with giving a shout out to one of his peeps than with what had happened at Fort Hood, in fact my housemate who is an Army Vet walked out of the room PO’d because the President seemed to be smiling and laughing before his remarks started. To me that is poor behavior for the Commander in Chief.
LC Rainy sez:
I agree, and always have. It is very possible to have ideas, beliefs and policies that run counter to yours and STILL truly care about the US and the American people. It is one of the things I’ve always pointed out each time someone asked a Liberal, “why do you hate America?” when they protested the war in Iraq.
LC Rainy sez:
Why would you say that? What evidence do you have that they aren’t good, caring people, other than to think otherwise wouldn’t fit into your view of them? By all accounts from those who have actually interacted with them, they are said to be gracious and genuine people.
CJ – Imperial Handmaiden sez:
Actually, it isn’t all that unusual for any president. Sure, some are pure photo op moments. But a lot happens without anyone ever knowing about it. Even our current president has met privately with soldiers and/or their families — even without cameras or press.
What I was talking about is that if I were Obama, I wouldn’t give a second thought of what someone thinks if their only agenda is to attack me just for the sake of attacking me. In other words, it would be a lost cause to spend any kind of effort trying to please a person like that. So if you are one of those people who hate Obama no matter what he does, then I wouldn’t expect him to be trying to make you happy. Bush was the same way. He didn’t give a rusty fuck about those who opposed him. He was The Decider, after all.
HoundOfDoom sez:
You obviously missed the part where the banks that received the money agreed to the terms of receiving that money. Nobody actually FORCED them to take the money. They were given a choice NOT to. Funny how they jumped all over it.
Ever get a US Government guaranteed student loan? A small business loan guaranteed by the US government? Medical training through the military? All that comes with stipulations.
Most of us kinda take exception to handing billions of dollars to a bank that is supposedly about to fail (due mostly to the irresponsible practices and greed of its executives) only then to have them turn around an reward those very same executives with millions of dollars in “bonuses”. It is hard enough to first be bailing them out for their mistakes, but to then have them give us the finger in return?
I don’t give a rusty fuck what kind of contractual agreements they had in place before the bailouts. If you come to me asking me for money, any agreement you had in place then becomes null and void until I get every last dime back that I lent you. If I want to put a rider on your loan that restricts the pay for your executives as a condition of that loan, then if you want the bailout from me, then you have to agree to those conditions. Otherwise, you get no money.
You are looking for a Constitutional question where none exists. I think the bottom line here is that if the bank or financial institution (or even GM and Chrysler) didn’t want to receive money or other financial guarantees with certain conditions, they were free NOT to accept the help. If the banks, financial institutions, et al want to get out from under these conditions, the solution is pretty simple: give back the money. The faster they pay it back, the faster they get out from under those conditions.
HoundOfDoom sez:
Forced? Is that what the kids are calling it today? They were given the option: Either fail, or take the money and try to pull yourself out of trouble. Only in the Conservative, Upside-Down, Topsy-Turvy world would that be considered being “forced”. I am sure that they were persuaded to take the money because the global economy couldn’t take the blow if major financial institutions were to suddenly close their doors.
The Conservative answer would be “free market”. I wonder why the banks, financial institutions, and car manufacturers didn’t choose that option? Make no mistake, they did have a choice. Could it be that they decided that they would like to live to fail another day?
LC Bulldada sez:
The first part of your screed appears to indicate a fascination with homoerotica, while simultaneously being repulsed by it. I find it most interesting that those who speak out such negative connotations of such things tend to have the most to hide about their own tendencies.
I was being sincere in my remarks about George Bush taking time to visit and comfort those who were caught up in such a despicable and horrific attack.
As the second part of your idiocy, I should remind you that the terms, “Liberal” and “Fundamental Muslim” do not really go together. In reality, I think that you would WANT a “Liberal Muslim” over that of a “Conservative” or “Traditional” one. By their very nature, Liberals tend to be open minded and tolerant of those who are different than themselves. Conservative or “Traditional” tend to resist those who are different, or who appear to threaten their traditional beliefs.
Sorry, but I don’t swing that way. But I won’t hold it against you. Just to show that I don’t hold any ill feelings towards your kind, I voted for the “Anything but marriage Act” here in Washington.
Terrapod sez:
I don’t need to hold my breath, but they will be in Texas on Tuesday.
The Lone Haranguer sez:
Has that bailout freed up any money from the banks? Has it done anything but enrich the banks and their executives? Has it allowed small business — the real engine of our economy — to get their day-to-day loans? Has it done anything to stimulate the economy?
Lizard sez:
Really? How’s that? I am constantly being told that I HATE Bush. I am constantly telling people here that I don’t hate anyone, but that I just have some disagreements with them. I actually found the actions of George and Laura the other day to be admirable, and since apparently I don’t say enough nice things about the Bushes, I thought I would start highlighting some of the things I do like about them.
Again, there seems to be a lot of people who equate differences in opinion or ideas to be a hostile act of hate. I disagreed with Bush on a number of things. I never hated him. There were some things that I had no problem with. I am forming a few areas of disagreement when it comes to Obama. I don’t hate the man, I am just in disagreement with him. I am not quite ready to share those disagreements because I haven’t given Obama enough time yet. But I have started a list.
Lizard sez:
Lizard sez:
That isn’t exactly true. Remember the most recent “photo op” at Dover? While everyone’s attention was rivited on that, nobody even talked about the fact that he met privately with all of those families — away from cameras and press — and those later interviewed found Obama to be “genuine” and “caring”.
Again, if there were never any press or cameras around the man, you would accuse him of not caring about the soldiers. If he brings the press into it, people would question his motives and say he is doing it for publicity sake.
Here is the bottom line here for me: I think it takes less effort to find fault with someone than to find the good in them. If all you are looking for is the negative in something or someone — you will surely find it. You can easily find the negative in me, just as easily as I can find the negative in anyone else here. I decided that hey, maybe I would highlight a positive thing about George W. Bush, and the VERY first comment it received was how different the two men were. Bush apparently is all humanity while Obama is the alter ego.
IIRC, during his years in the White House President Bush and his wife made weekly visits to Walter Reed and Bethesda. And they never brought the press along because there are some things that shouldn’t be made a photo-op. They did it quietly, just as they did with the victims of the Fort Hood jihadi.
I don’t know if Bush also visited Dover when the bodies of our fallen were brought home, but Obama certainly did…and he made a point of making it a photo-op, to the point of pestering familes of slain soldiers if he could have his picture taken with them.
I don’t think anyone here would have a problem with Obama quietly honoring our fallen and visiting with their families on the tarmac at Dover, had he done it quietly and had the White House announce it after the fact (as Bush did with Fort Hood). We might have been suprised that he would have behaved with such grace and dignity, but we wouldn’t have had a problem with it.
Unfortunately, what Obama did at Dover and then again with his five minutes of “shout-outs” to allies in the audience at the White House press conference on the Fort Hood shootings, just establishes further evidence that the man is totally lacking in grace and dignity.
Bush truly believed that he was a servant of the American people. Obama thinks we are all his servants.
No, DJ, we want him to go privately, just like W did. Leave the camera man on AF1, or better yet, in DC. Instead of Ear Leader trying to make it about himself, or making it a photo op when he went to Dover, he can do like Bush did when Bush went to Dover when our dead heroes came home, when he went to Walter Reed to visit the wounded, and when he went to Hood to visit the families.
For all his faults, Bush didn’t have to prove to anyone that he supported and respected our military men and women. The troops knew it and appreciated it, and respected W for it. They don’t respect Obamao because they know he doesn’t respect them.
In regards to LC Ogrrre’s comment @34
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No, DJ, we want him to go privately, just like W did. Leave the camera man on AF1, or better yet, in DC. Instead of Ear Leader trying to make it about himself, or making it a photo op when he went to Dover, he can do like Bush did when Bush went to Dover when our dead heroes came home, when he went to Walter Reed to visit the wounded, and when he went to Hood to visit the families.
For all his faults, Bush didn’t have to prove to anyone that he supported and respected our military men and women. The troops knew it and appreciated it, and respected W for it. They don’t respect Obamao because they know he doesn’t respect them.
Yep….. All I want is for the guy to do what is expected of an American President without draging photographers with him, just so he looks oh so cool.
I’m even going to give him a pass on not showing up within 72 hours beacuse trying to deal with the security issues of a Presidental visit, with the current situation at Hood…. Let the folks get their ducks in a row before you add more to their plate.
In regards to LC Ogrrre’s comment @ 34: Well said brother.
Deej, earlier in this thread I was going to come to your defense and point out the solid good stuff you were saying, and how I personally knew that those were your true feelings. Then it got amusing watching people not think those were the truth in you. Guys, DJ is not near as bad as he winds you up to believe. But, by GOD he makes you think. So long as you are looking for facts to refute him with, he’ll keep pushing to make you do so. You go into cheap personal attacks, fuck it he’ll just log off. You have to hone your edge to stay sharp. You keep whacking it against a rock, you get blunt/dull.
DJ:
More information on how the banks were forced here
2 key lines:
“If a capital infusion is not appealing, you should be aware that your regulator will require it in any circumstance”
and on the ‘Committment’ page, the bank agrees to issue preferred shares to the US Treasury (amount filled in by hand)
So, yes, forced. What do you want, a picture with a .45 @ their heads? I can’t believe you are defending Paulson.
I see that the ‘arguement’ gene is strong in you, but I don’t have the time or inclanation to take this any further.
Huh. George and Laura go visit some folks, and the Rott positively notices. And just as simple as that Allyn weighs in with 6 posts* to start a flame war.
Well, quoting someone, I piss in your general direction, Allyn.
* they get longer and longer, didja notice?
BDS remains strong in a minority of liberal minds. It was my “hope” that this would “change” with time, but it does not look like my grandkids will see this fade.
LC cmblake6, Imperial Black Ops Technician sez:
yep, that’s what he does……..he throws a really big piece of raw meat into the Rottie cage and we get to chew and mangle for a while. I like the guy, have had many personal email discussions with him about a number of things….I disagree almost 100% with the views and opinions that he presents here, but I strongly suspect that he does that intentionally. I believe that he just likes to get us stirred up once in a while.
Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery sez:
I believe that he’s a self-loathing liberal asshole.
DJ you just don’t get the difference between President Bush and President Obama. While President Obama feels the need to see himself in the press and have photo ops, President Bush did not. Anyone can appear to be sincere and truly caring – President Clinton certainly is proof of that with his fake tears. But again you just don’t get it – Obama was more concerned about giving a shout out to his peeps than that fact that there had been such an attack at Ft. Hood.
And just as a matter of fact – George and Laura do have the ranch not far from Ft. Hood but currently reside the majority of the time in a Dallas suburb.
The day I hear about Obama doing something without having the press there or his own people putting it up on youtube I will stop assuming he only does things based on what kind of press he can get out of it. Obama has said judge him by who he surrounds himself by and his actions and that is what I am doing.
In regards to Jaybear, Colonel of Imperial Ancient Artillery’s comment @ 40: Exactly. Exactly.
Has anyone else noticed?
In regards to F Hawkins’s comment @ :
Title: Good On George
Posted by: DJ Allyn, ITW
12:10 pm
[emphaisis: mine]
Talk about bringing shit down on your own head.
I’ll take Deej at his word on this one (though I always consider his opinion, not agree, just consider). He puts a hand out and it gets slapped away. My G-d, it sounds like the KosKids here sometimes, everything written by “the other side” has to have an ulterior motive?
He was drawn into comparing Obo’s lack of style and compassion with W’s love for the troops, not the other way round.
I know that he loves to tweak us as much as we love to go on long tirades refuting his posts, but damn, pick your targets.
This was a wrong one on many levels.
Sorry, but this just isnt so.
He lies, obfuscates, and refuses to reply to valid points. He’s disingenous, and I have nothing good to say to, for, or about him. Nor will I make any attempt to debate him, or engage him.
I could write a thesis on the policies and actions I disagree with Bush on, he is not a conservative and is far enough from it to need a garmin to navigate there but he is an honest hard working man who meant well and delivered the best possible leadership given his core beliefs. He is also galaxies apart in class, leadership, core values and practically anything else used to measure a man. There can be no question that this last visit was just one more example of a real President showing his love of the men who serve this country while we suffer under a leader who is embarrassed by our country. I know I am certainly embarrassed by him.
I count the minutes until Obama is turned out of office in utter disgrace hopefully followed by the sycophants in his party propping him up from his eventual epic fail.
Many have strong opinions re: Mr. Allyn……I used to waffle back and forth between considering him a agent provocateur, and a liberal weenie type…….. I came to the conclusion that the most important indicator is that Misha calls him friend.
In regards to LC Roguetek’s comment @ 45: Believe as you will. That’s what makes us a pack instead of a herd.
In regards to Red Ruffansore’s comment @ 46: Indeed. Don’t forget, next year is 2010. Midterm elections. Helluva start, just like “94 and ‘06. Except ‘94 at least started well and ‘06 was instant shit.
In regards to HoundOfDoom’s comment @ :
That, sir, is the absolute truth. Whatever differences I had with the man, there’s was never any doubt he deeply cared about our nation and our troops. Obama only cares about himself and his ideology. I don’t question his patriotism because I’m convinced he is un-patriotic, no patriotism there to question.
I consider Obama the first anti-American President, he constitutes a clear and present danger to the nation and the Constitution. And the same can be said about the Democrat party today.