No I Won’t!

R.I.P. The American Republic Suicide November 3rd, 2008

122 comments

  1. 101

    LC Subotai Bahadur @ 97: And everywhere else you’ve ever said anything. You, my friend(that is not a common accolade), are whom I would stand beside. Or back-to-back with. I am well impressed with your heart.

  2. 102

    LC Anniee451 sez:

    What *I* would mean by usurper would be someone who has no business in the office, because he clearly does NOT intend, and never has, to uphold and protect the constitution.

    Annie,

    Based on what The Fresh Prez of Bill Ayers has said about the constitution, he has no plans to uphold it, but instead plans to do whatever he can to dismantle and change it.

    Also, until/unless he proves up with his BC, his “election” will always be suspect.

    But that’s just MY idea of usurper.

  3. 103

    LC Anniee451 @ 99: One who has, through devious and dishonest behavior, taken a position not legally authorized. Usurpation comes closest to a correct description of any word available easily.
    Sharp Skye. Beat me by that much.

  4. 104
    LC BogVojnyj says:

    I’m sad to say that I’m not surprised at all that Obaaaa-ma sheeple are waving around desecrations of US flags. The new Pee-resident plans to alter the Constitution beyond all recognition, what makes you think his die-hard supporters have any respect for the flag and what it stands for? Regardless…I won’t take this standing down. Write to your congressmen. Make sure that they understand the consequences.

    Bog Vojnyj (formerly known as LC Alric)

  5. 105
    LC Rurik says:

    LC Subotai is correct. I do not think he is a nice person. :em95: In fact, he is even less a nice person than I. But I’m working on trying to catch up with him. :em93: Nice persons suck. particularly if you tell them you’ll still respect them in the morning, and maybe threaten them just a little. The Insufferable Clog Prancer is probably a very nice person. And we all know he sucks.

  6. 106
    LC Anniee451 says:

    Niceness is a piss-poor substitute for character.

    cmblake; I honestly do know what a usurper is (I had to learn it when I played Viola in Twefth Night lol) – it’s just that I don’t know to what degree I want to focus on the voter fraud when calling Obama a Usurper; as it would *seem* he beat that margin. So is he there illegally? Technically? I don’t know.

    At the same time, as skye points out, he certainly never cleared up his birth, and as you point out, he used devious means, pretending to want to uphold the constitution when he has said QUITE CLEARLY in the past that he did NOT believe in it (too limiting on his socialist intentions) and so I do want a well-thought-out reply to offer if and when questioned on the Usurper nomenclature. Because it’s a good one, and I want to defend it properly.

  7. 107
    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    #99 Annie451

    I hope that Teh Management does not object. This is the best way I have ever explained it. I wrote this back in November at BELMONT CLUB. I cross-posted it here shortly thereafter because it fit with a piece by the Emperor. And he was kind enough to add his approval. When you read this, go to the Viera link within it and read the consequences of a failure to meet the Constitutional requirements for the office. Usurper is a specific term used deliberately. It was originally posted at:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/10/31/cassandra/#comments

    161. Subotai Bahadur:

    RE: # 84 Shakespeare 101: With all due respect, I do not take the statement by the Hawaii Dept. of Health as probative. If you read the actual text of the statement; all they are saying is that they have a birth certificate on file. When Obama was born [and perhaps today still] Hawaii allowed late registrations of births, especially if born overseas. The key point is “Box 7C” on the birth certificate form, labeled, “County and State OR Foreign Country of Birth”. That one data point would be definitive and end the whole controversy.

    Perhaps I look a people’s actions a bit differently than most. I just retired after 28 years as a Commissioned Peace Officer. I am used to reading people and events and looking for incongruities indicating illicit and/or illegal activities.

    What is the norm? First, pretty much anyone can get a legally certified copy of a birth certificate in a hurry if they need one. Two weeks tops. Second, the one posted on his web site was bogus. To be a legal birth certificate, it has to have both the embossed state seal, and in Hawaii’s case, they stamp the back and the ink is made to bleed through to be visible from the front. The one posted on his web site had neither. The supposed authentication by Factcheck.org is not probative because it is owned by the Annanberg Foundation, which has both Barack Obama and William Ayers as officials.

    So we have a case where Obama has been [justifiably or not] challenged to prove that he qualifies under the Constitution as a ‘natural born citizen’. The burden of proof is on him, especially since his opponent had the same challenge and released not only his birth certificate, but also the hospital records. His response is to post an obvious fraud.

    People act in their own self interest. If they are acting outside their self interest, they usually have an obvious reason. Faced with legal action, which cost surely in the hundreds of thousands of dollars and no small amount of credibility [otherwise why is this an issue?] he chose to conceal his birth certificate and continues to do so up through this date. There is no down side in releasing it, if he is a ‘natural born citizen’. It can be done quickly. It costs only $10 for the certified copy from Hawaii.

    The only reasonable first order approximation any investigator could have would be that there was something on that certificate that would be to his detriment if revealed. All a birth certificate shows is where and when someone is born and who are the parents. Some states also show racial background. OK, we know his race. He trumpets it. We know, presumably, who his parents are. In modern America, if it showed illegitimacy, that would not be a factor. There does not seem to be any controversy over when he was born. That leaves only the question of where, which happens to be the item on point in this discussion. The only damage that could obtain if there was a revelation, would be if he was not born in this country. It would not matter if he was born in Kansas or Washington state instead of Hawaii. That is why box 7C is so important.

    Normally, one would ignore a controversy like this, like I ignored the one over McCain’s being born in the Panama Canal Zone, which at that time WAS a US territory. But his ongoing evasion of what every natural born American citizen should be able to furnish on demand with ease raises the index of suspicion beyond tolerance. Combine that with what is plainly weasel wording by the Hawaii Department of Health; when they could have plainly said that the certificate shows he was born on ‘x’ date at ‘y’ location with no compromise of confidentiality, and we may be throwing ourselves into a constitutional crisis.

    We are in the midst of what has been termed a “cold civil war”. There is a cultural and political divide in this country where we no longer comprehend where the other side is coming from, nor does either side trust the actions, motivations, or loyalty to the country or Constitution of the other. Violence, threats, and thuggery is now the political norm, especially from the Left. It would not take much of a provocation for the cold civil war to start getting hot.

    The trigger may be one of those listed by #112 Foul Harold. It may be the creation of the civilian armed force that Obama has spoken of. Or it may be the justifiable belief that if Obama is installed in office, he is an unconstitutional usurper rather than a legitimate president.

    I reference this from Dr. Edwin Viera [who has a long history of practice before the Supreme Court in landmark cases] as to the legal and constitutional implications if the constitutional legitimacy of a president is in doubt:

    http://newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm

    There are scores of millions of Americans who have specifically sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign or domestic. That oath does not expire.

    By every investigatory indication, Barack Obama is deliberately concealing something of great personal damage that is on his birth certificate. To him, that something is worth concealing, even at the risk of civil disorder or armed conflict within our society. Leaving aside the judgement of whether we would want someone with those priorities in charge of this country; would it not be better for all of us to know what it is beforehand and maybe step away from the brink if in fact it was not something that would render him ineligible?
    Nov 2, 2008 – 2:40 pm

    I hope this helps.

    LC Subotai Bahadur

  8. 108
    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    LC Annie451

    Y’all are not being ignored or forgotten. My reply is in “moderation”, of all things. Imagine! ME connected with anything moderate. Who’d have thunk it?

    LC Subotai Bahadur

  9. 109
    LC Anniee451 says:

    When it comes out of moderation, please do give me its number so I can be sure not to miss it. Thanks, subotai.

  10. 110

    LC Anniee451 sez:

    Niceness is a piss-poor substitute for character.
    cmblake; I honestly do know what a usurper is (I had to learn it when I played Viola in Twefth Night lol) – it’s just that I don’t know to what degree I want to focus on the voter fraud when calling Obama a Usurper; as it would *seem* he beat that margin. So is he there illegally? Technically? I don’t know.
    At the same time, as skye points out, he certainly never cleared up his birth, and as you point out, he used devious means, pretending to want to uphold the constitution when he has said QUITE CLEARLY in the past that he did NOT believe in it (too limiting on his socialist intentions) and so I do want a well-thought-out reply to offer if and when questioned on the Usurper nomenclature. Because it’s a good one, and I want to defend it properly.

    Annie, I think it goes back to his state senate days. He got elected by getting everyone else disqualified from the ballot. Some may say that’s good politics. I think it’s a form of cheating.

  11. 111
    LC Anniee451 says:

    Rut-roh – Big Hollywood, the new conservative blog, tells us we’re doing it rong. We aren’t to question the usurper’s love for this country or desire to do what’s best for her, first of all. We aren’t to say he’s not “my president” (no word on whether his sycophants are “not my countrymen” yet. He must not be reading these threads.) We are not supposed to treat Obama the way Bush has been treated for the last 8 years.

    Along with other admonitions. No offense Mr. Levy, but step aside. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/alevy/2009/01/20/my-to-dont-list-for-the-right/

  12. 112

    DON’T question the motives – question the policy. When you disagree with Obama’s policies, say so, and make it clear why. But remember that President Obama is doing what he thinks is best for the country, as President Bush did. Both men love America and want what’s best for her. End of story.

    Mr. Levy, may I say a firm, unapologetic and decisive…. BULLSHIT!!

  13. 113

    LC Subotai Bahadur @ 108: Dear God, were that I were so good with words. Absolutely incredible. And there’s your answer. This man speaks so far beyond my simple ability to formulate, it is ridiculous. Would that I were so coherent. I try, he succeeds. Purely to point, and directly. I tip my hat in awe.
    BTW, at Big Hollywood, read Gary Graham. A lot. He’s good.

  14. 114
    LC SleepTech: Remnant SheepDog says:

    Mr. Subotai Bahadur, may I ask your nationality? If you are not American.

    I do not mean that as anything but a querry as to you’re orignial Nationality.

    You may have stated it before, but, if so, I missed it.

    Either way, regardless of your citizenship, I consider you MORE AMERICAN than 52% of it’s present population!!! :em04: :em04:

  15. 115
    Writer says:

    I remember my oath was to uphold the Constitution against all enemies public and private. That includes the enemies who would change it in any way other than legally, or if I decide the proposed changes are detrimental by my interpretation.

  16. 116
    BigDogg says:

    Writer sez:

    I remember my oath was to uphold the Constitution against all enemies public and private. That includes the enemies who would change it in any way other than legally, or if I decide the proposed changes are detrimental by my interpretation.

    What oath would that be, numbnuts? Fuck off, putz.

  17. 117
    Cheryl says:

    LC Gahaze –

    Damn! I really like your flag! :em69: :em03: :em04:

    My sentiments entirely.

  18. 118
    LC Subotai Bahadur says:

    #115 LC SleepTech: Remnant SheepDog :

    American citizen by birth, easily provable by available birth certificate and passport. Chinese and German by ancestry. My father having come here when Chinese were specifically defined as not being human beings under American law; joined the Army in 1943 when the law changed [he was in his 30’s when he joined the Army, for all that implies. Combat is usually a young man’s game.] and became one of the first non-white squad leaders in the American Combat Infantry. His unit went the farthest east of any American unit in the ETO, and his company liberated the last concentration camp in German hands. He was able to get US citizenship based on his service. I count my citizenship both by birth and as a gift based on my father’s efforts, said gift being priceless beyond repayment.

    Adopted by marriage into the Highland Clan MacPherson. Since I like ‘pipes, single malt, and since the MacPhersons led the Clan Chattan alliance to fight alongside the Great Montrose; Aye, I’ll go w’ that. I have a somewhat confusing tendency to use the plural pronoun to refer to any of the multiple [and sometimes overlapping] groups I claim membership in.

    Not of the Judeo-Christian persuasion; however I am far from hostile to it. I readily acknowledge that the Judeo-Christian ethos is the only one that grants the individual soul both free will and standing and value before G-d. From that flows, in an unbroken chain, the concept and reality of Liberty. I find no great fault with the tradition, but I am not one who has found any great deal of religious faith.

    As you might guess, I have a certain avocation towards history and being verbose.

    Grey by Tribe. And by Kuan Yin, the Iron Goddess of Mercy; and or whichever Diety is turning the crank this week, I’m pretty sure that there is some sheepdog in my bloodline.

    LC Subotai Bahadur

  19. 119

    LC Subotai Bahadur, whatever it is you got in you, it’s a very very good mix.

  20. 120
    LC HJ Caveman82952 says:

    I remember my oath was to uphold the Constitution against all enemies public and private.

    What the hell does that mean?
    And Subotai, thank you for your insights. Keeping it simple, yet eloquent. I like that style. I’m with cmblake6 on this one.
    I just arrived home from work, dealing with Bambi supporters. For the most part I bite my tongue……very content to wait. I honestly believe they deny the possibility he may do as I have suggested is quite possible, second amendment issues, for example. My views are known, they consider it radical. Which cracks me up, for obvious reasons. Most of them are idealistic, haven’t seen enough yet in my view. When I was told he planned a thousand buck tax rebate for couples….I wish you could have seen their faces when I told them I would buy another gun with it……. :em93:

  21. 121

    LC HJ Caveman82952 sez:

    When I was told he planned a thousand buck tax rebate for couples….I wish you could have seen their faces when I told them I would buy another gun with it…….

    Yo! That is going to be a bitch figuring out which one/s I want. I will certainly pay off my very nice 6.5 Swede.
    And MAYBE a Judge. Taurus Judge, that is.
    And ammo. Lots of ammo.

  22. 122
    LC BU2 Lander says:

    LC Subotai:

    After reading innumerable of your posts, I second CMBlake6.

    Whatever heritage you claim it is a good one. I would proudly fight along side you (or most others that I have met here on the Rott) should it ever eventually be required.

    Also, somewhat surprising to find another fellow non Judeo-Christian here ’bouts.

    I know that there are others here on the Rott, it just doesn’t seem that people around here identify by religion very often.

    Then again, as we are all AMERICAN first no matter what our background or birth, I suppose that is most likely as it should be.

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