If one really wanted the truth the place for blame for the liberation of Iraq (put that to the vote in Iraq, they seem rather pleased) is squarely with the UN, by omission the naysayers accept the first gulf war and the details of Saddams surrender and as he clear;y time after time gave 2 fingers to the deal the UN should have gone back before Bush2 had to, like when the atomic and chemical/biological weapons had not been spirited to the neighbours (or do you believe the nice scientists quietly disposed of it all and hoodwinked their kind leader and his 2 nice sons?) the real sinners here are the MSM who are just a mouthpiece for the fascist forces and the large expensive organisation who are unable to achieve more than get thier troops laid by underage kids in exchange for the very aid they were supposed to give free and to swap Saddams oil for large lumps of cash yes coffin anus and wankey moon Im talking about you! Where are the so called Liberal panty wetters crying about Darfur??
I believe there are NO Liberals left, just fascists wearing dead mens clothes.

There are several forms of lying. One is to come out and actually LIE (”I did not have sex with that woman”). Another is to lie by omission. And then there is the lie by insinuation that there actually was a connection between Saddam and 9/11. This was Bush’s form in this case.

Allyn

You are either not listening, or you are lying to me. I said show me one example where he deliberately and with malice aforethought lied.

Not insinuated. Not omission. That’s opinion,not fact. I said PROVE IT. So far all you’ve done is show me what people think he said, not what he said.

Opinions are like assholes..everyone has one. Including you..only yours speaks english.

Still waiting for you to prove he deliberately lied. I’ll be waiting a long time, because there is no proof, he did not lie, and all this is, is your opinion and your interpretation.

You cant prove it and you never will.

Admit it.

Instead, the Bush Administration “fixed” the evidence…

Prove it.

Then there were the many lies about WMDs

Oh, for FUCK’S SAKE ,ALLYN.

The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

EVERYONE who knew ANYTHING about Reszko and Ayers have completely debunked the Right’s assertions that any real relationship existed between Obama and either of these two men.

Oh??

Obama launched his campaign out of whose apartment?

And this

A review of board minutes and records by CNN show Obama crossed paths repeatedly with Ayers at board meetings of the Annenberg Challenge Project.

The Annenberg Foundation gave the project a $50 million grant to match local private funds to improve schools, and Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, according to participants and project records.

The project’s organizing committee asked Obama to serve as the board chairman in 1995. Annenberg Project Executive Director Ken Rollings said Ayers was not a member of that ad hoc group when the decision was made.

For seven years, Ayers and Obama — among many others — worked on funding for education projects, including some projects advocated by Ayers.

“The specific job of the board of directors was to give out the money,” said Stanley Kurtz, a conservative researcher for the Ethics and Public Policy Center and frequent Obama critic.

“Instead of giving money directly to schools, they gave money to what they call external partners and these partners were often pretty radical community organizer groups,” said Kurtz, who also has been reviewing the Annenberg Challenge’s recently released records.

The board, for example, gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bill Ayers’ small schools project. The project promoted alternative education, including projects like the Peace School — where the curriculum centered on a United Nations theme — and another school where the focus was African-American studies.

The funding, according to Kurtz and records CNN reviewed, came directly from the Annenberg foundation which Obama chaired. The project shut down in 2003 after achieving “little impact on school improvement and student outcomes,” its final report stated.

While working on the Annenberg project, Obama and Ayers also served together on a second charitable foundation, the Woods Fund. It was that foundation that Obama referenced in the debate — not the Annenberg Challenge.

Among Wood Foundation recipients were the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church, where Obama attended and was married; and the Children and Family Justice Center, where Ayers’ wife Dohrn was director.

A CNN review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved. Read CNN’s fact check on Obama’s connection to Ayers

Ayers has strong defenders in Chicago — including Mayor Richard Daley, who called him “a valued member of the Chicago community.”

The city gave Ayers its Citizen of the Year award in 1997 for his work on the Annenberg project.

For Obama, the chairmanship of the $100 million Annenberg board helped vault him from a South Side lawyer to political player. And there, too, is an Ayers connection.

In 1995, months after the little-known Obama became Annenberg chairman, state Sen. Alice Palmer introduced the young lawyer as her political heir apparent. The introduction was made over coffee at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Two people who attended the event told CNN the introduction of Obama included a solicitation for campaign funds.

Obama senior aide Dunn said it was just a coincidence the event occurred at the home of the two former Weather Underground members.

“A Democrat state senator organizes the meeting at the home of one of her supporters,” Dunn said. “What is the problem here? It is the worst kind of inference and the worst kind of politics to say that says something about Barack Obama.”

Palmer rarely speaks to reporters. But she recently denied to CNN that she organized the political affair for Obama, although she said she attended.

Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician, now retired, referred to the gathering as the political coming-out party for Obama.

Young said it was a small group — maybe a dozen or so people — who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago’s South Side, and that money was raised for Obama at the event.

Sunday, senior Obama strategist David Axlerod told CNN that Obama “didn’t know the history” of Ayers’ notorious past when the political event was held.

Ayers’ past has been well-chronicled and well-known in Chicago. His late father Thomas, a wealthy and prominent executive of the public utility Commonwealth Edison, worked tirelessly and publicly to re-establish his son into Chicago society.

But the Obama-Ayers connection exploded into the national news Saturday when McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, accused Obama of “palling around” with a domestic terrorist. The Obama campaign calls the charge “ludicrous,” and there is no evidence to show the two men are pals — although in an interview earlier this year with Politico, Axlerod said the two men were friendly.

Obama and Ayers had a connection not just through the education and charity boards, but in the area of juvenile justice. Obama praised Ayers’ book on the subject in a 1997 Chicago Tribune review, calling it “a searing and timely account of the juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.”

Oops.

The ISSUE was that Bush did over 1200 signing statements — TWICE that of all the other Presidents combined — for the purpose of subverting the intent of Congress.

And you know this…how? How the hell do you know what he was thinking??

Again, opinion. What he did was 100% legal. I dont give a rat fuck if you dont like it.

So what? Were they required?

Yes. I’d like to see them. Isnt Obambi the one who campaigned on “transparency”? And if they are not required as you say, then Pres. Bush is not required to tell anyone jack or shit about his service in the Guard.

We are still waiting for proof that Bush actually served out his stint in the National Guard.

He was honourably discharged. That’s all you need to know.

Oh and Allyn, it’s gotten down to this, but now I am asking. Since you have seen fit to trash his time in uniform, I’ll ask the question.

WHERE’D YOU SERVE?

We could, however, compare Obama’s military service with President Bush’s…oh wait….

No, in this case, a “poor choice”. He had no support for his nomination.

A whole raft of piss poor choices.

He’s incompetent

hey DJ, about “Joe” lying,

So What.

it doesn’t matter if someone lies to you to get you to admit the TRUTH

quit blaming the guy that caused Obama to show his true colors (RED).

it makes you whiner

Don’t be too hard on us. After all, we can’t be expected to know that you’ve changed your comment that originally read…

Mike M, I do believe that qualifies as “Catch of the Century”!

In fact, for that and that alone (puts on Management™ hat), I hereby bequeath the title “Imperial Fact-Checker of Yo’ Ugly Ass” on thee.

Rise and be so knighted.

Game, set and fucking match, Allyn.

BigDogg is spot-on. You are a big pussy. BWAH-HAHAHAHAHA….!!!~1!!ONE!!!

Perhaps you too should go back and read that thread a little closer. Sheese!

Don’t be too hard on us. After all, we can’t be expected to know that you’ve changed your comment that originally read…

At 6″7″ and 265 lbs, I can still put my size 14 shoe straight up your anal porous cavity…

to …

I could be 6′7″ and 265 lbs, and be able put my size 14 shoe straight up your anal porous cavity…

…now, can we?

“Change Has Arrived on Track Five Comment #126″

Heads should roll

President Obama’s clumsy, smirky staff is sinking him — and resurrecting a deflated GOP! Plus: Lay off Rush! And a Brazilian diva, up close and electric

By Camille Paglia
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March 11, 2009

Free Barack!

Yes, free the president from his flacks, fixers and goons — his posse of smirky smart alecks and provincial rubes, who were shrewd enough to beat the slow, pompous Clintons in the mano-a-mano primaries but who seem like dazed lost lambs in the brave new world of federal legislation and global statesmanship.

Heads should be rolling at the White House for the embarrassing series of flubs that have overshadowed President Obama’s first seven weeks in office and given the scattered, demoralized Republicans a huge boost toward regrouping and resurrection. (Michelle, please use those fabulous toned arms to butt some heads!)

First it was that chaotic pig rut of a stimulus package, which let House Democrats throw a thousand crazy kitchen sinks into what should have been a focused blueprint for economic recovery. Then it was the stunt of unnerving Wall Street by sending out a shrill duo of slick geeks (Timothy Geithner and Peter Orszag) as the administration’s weirdly adolescent spokesmen on economics. Who could ever have confidence in that sorry pair?

And then there was the fiasco of the ham-handed White House reception for British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, which was evidently lacking the most basic elements of ceremony and protocol. Don’t they read the “Iliad” anymore in the Ivy League? Check that out for the all-important ritual of gift giving, which has cemented alliances around the world for 5,000 years.

President Obama — in whom I still have great hope and confidence — has been ill-served by his advisors and staff. Yes, they have all been blindsided and overwhelmed by the crushing demands of the presidency. But I continue to believe in citizen presidents, who must learn by doing, even in a perilous age of terrorism. Though every novice administration makes blunders and bloopers, its modus operandi should not be a conspiratorial reflex cynicism.

Case in point: The orchestrated attack on radio host Rush Limbaugh, which has made the White House look like an oafish bunch of drunken frat boys. I returned from carnival in Brazil (more on that shortly) to find the Limbaugh affair in full flower. Has the administration gone mad? This entire fracas was set off by the president himself, who lowered his office by targeting a private citizen by name. Limbaugh had every right to counterattack, which he did with gusto. Why have so many Democrats abandoned the hallowed principle of free speech? Limbaugh, like our own liberal culture hero Lenny Bruce, is a professional commentator who can be as rude and crude as he wants.

Yes, I cringe when Rush plays his “Barack the Magic Negro” satire or when he gratuitously racializes the debate over Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, who is a constant subject of withering scrutiny for quite different reasons on sports shows here in Philadelphia. On the other hand, I totally agree with Rush about “feminazis,” whose amoral tactics and myopic worldview I as a dissident feminist had to battle for decades. As a student of radio and a longtime listener of Rush’s show, I have gotten a wealth of pleasure and insight from him over the years. To attack Rush Limbaugh is to attack his audience — and to intensify the loyalty of his fan base.

If Rush’s presence looms too large for the political landscape, it’s because of the total vacuity of the Republican leadership, which seems to be in a dithering funk. Rush isn’t responsible for the feebleness of Republican voices or the thinness of Republican ideas. Only ignoramuses believe that Rush speaks for the Republican Party. On the contrary, Rush as a proponent of heartland conservatism has waged open warfare with the Washington party establishment for years.

And I’m sick of people impugning Rush’s wealth and lifestyle, which is no different from that of another virtuoso broadcaster who hit it big — Oprah Winfrey. Rush Limbaugh is an embodiment of the American dream: He slowly rose from obscurity to fame on the basis of his own talent and grit.

Every penny Rush has earned was the result of his rapport with a vast audience who felt shut out and silenced by the liberal monopoly of major media. As a Democrat and Obama supporter, I certainly do not agree with everything Rush says or does. I was deeply upset, for example, by the sneering tone both Rush and Sean Hannity took on Inauguration Day, when partisan politics should have been set aside for a unifying celebration of American government and history. Nevertheless, I respect Rush for his independence of thought and his always provocative news analysis. He doesn’t run with the elite — he goes his own way.

President Obama should yank the reins and get his staff’s noses out of slash-and-burn petty politics. His own dignity and prestige are on the line. If he wants a second term, he needs to project a calmer perspective about the eternal reality of vociferous opposition, which is built into our democratic system.

Right now, the White House is starting to look like Raphael’s scathing portrait of a pampered, passive Pope Leo X and his materialistic cardinals — one of the first examples of an artist sending a secret, sardonic message to posterity. Do those shifty, beady-eyed guys needing a shave remind you of anyone? Yes, it’s bare-knuckles Chicago pugilism, transplanted to Washington. The charitably well-meaning but hopelessly extravagant Leo X, by the way, managed to mishandle the birth of the Protestant Reformation, which permanently split Christianity.

She got that last part WAY wrong.

Right now, the White House is starting to look like the complete and utter embodiment of the Peter Principle, starting from the empty suit in the Oval to that bullshit artist Rahm, and his spinmeisters.

Y’ dont get it, do ya Deej? Obama is a sick joke, an appeaser, a Communist, a liar…way out of his depth and utterly and absolutely incompetent.

His massive gaffe over Britain is just icing on the cake..for the last eight years Pres. Bush hosted hundreds of delegations with aplomb and style and grace..Obama in ONE DAY did more to damage relations with one of its most trusted and valued allies…if he had hired a man solely to totally piss off and upset the Prime Minister, that man could NEVER have improved on what Obama did singlehanded.

He did NOTHING to deal with a staffer who bluntly said PUBLICALLY

There’s nothing special about Britain. You’re just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn’t expect special treatment.

If the State Department doesn’t support the views expressed, it should disown them immediately.

..and as yet, the State Dept has not disowned those comments.

BHO screwed that up as well

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a complete and utter fuckup, and this is only the start…we have four years of this idiocy to go. But by then, of course, I know he wont be in the Oval Office…..because I know full well how this will end.

In Obama’s impeachment, with one memorable descriptor in the encyclopaedias.

“Most incompetent and corrupt administration in US history”.

LCBrendan sez:

Then you should have no problems whatsoever in giving me an exact and unequivocal answer. I said prove it…not tell me “we all know”..if they have been pointed out, then you show me one example

Okay, here is ONE example. I hope you don’t mind the Christian Science Monitor.

There are several forms of lying. One is to come out and actually LIE (“I did not have sex with that woman”). Another is to lie by omission. And then there is the lie by insinuation that there actually was a connection between Saddam and 9/11. This was Bush’s form in this case.

Bush wasn’t the only one pushing this insinuation.

Then there were the many lies about WMDs and all of the “proof”, the Saddam’s active nuclear program. (even though most of the experts including those who had direct knowledge completely disagreed) Instead, the Bush Administration “fixed” the evidence…

Now this is where you start sticking your fingers in your ears or spouting off your tired out fake debunks.

Yet the fact Obambi lied is nothing more than the truth. His ties to Reszko, his relationship with Wright, Ayers.

EVERYONE who knew ANYTHING about Reszko and Ayers have completely debunked the Right’s assertions that any real relationship existed between Obama and either of these two men. As far as his relationship with Wright, Wright was the Pastor of his church.

well well, looks like the liberal meme re Pres. Bush’s use of signing statements was more liberal dementia.

Obama to use signing statements

First your link is broken. Here is one that works.

Presidents using signing statements wasn’t the issue. Signing statements have been around for a long time, and virtually every president since James Monroe.

The ISSUE was that Bush did over 1200 signing statements — TWICE that of all the other Presidents combined — for the purpose of subverting the intent of Congress.

Most Presidents — Obama included in this one case — used the signing statement to object to certain provisions that he — and his Attorney General — felt was unconstitutional. Bush did his signing statements to simply ignore the law he didn’t like, not because they were actually “unconstitutional”. The criticism was that none of the statements Bush signed even came close to a Constitutional objection.

Do you see the difference here?

LCBrendan sez:

And this

1. Occidental College records — Not released

So what? Were they required?

2. Columbia College records — Not released

So what? Were they required?

3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’

So what? Was it required?

4. Harvard College records — Not released

So what? Were they required?

5. Selective Service Registration — Not released – well we all know he was too much of a coward and a Kerry wannabe to serve.

So what? Was it required?

6. Medical records — Not released

So what? Were they required?

7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’

So what? Were they required?

8. Law practice client list — Not released

So what? Was it required?

9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released – Vault copy still not available.Why?

Because it is not required, and never has been. EVER.

10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth — released – FORGERY.

Except that the State of Hawaii SAYS it is real. But don’t let that get in your way.

11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None

So what? Were they required?

12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

So what? Were they required?

13. Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’

So what? Was it required?

14. Illinois State Senate records–’not available’

So what? Were they required?

Besides, what’s it to you? Do you see me asking about YOUR government?

We are still waiting for proof that Bush actually served out his stint in the National Guard. So far, even with reward money offered, there has been NOBODY to come forward and say they ever saw Bush in Alabama.

“Poor luck”?

No, in this case, a “poor choice”. He had no support for his nomination.

Most of the other nominees that quit probably could have survived the nomination process and been confirmed — but it was THEY who chose not to make them the story.

BigDogg sez:

No more silly than you do describing how big you are (6?7?, if I recall) … trying to prove how intimidating you think you are. What I’ve seen indicates that you’re a pussy, and a big one at that.

Again, you missed the irony, didn’t you? Maybe you should go back and read that thread a little closer (and apparently slower) and maybe that little light will come on in your head…

Darth Venomous sez:

That offer’s still good, BTW, you liberal hippy pussy FUCK. Anytime you’re ready.

Oh boy. Do we have to go through this silly thing again? Did you MISS the part where I ridiculed the whole idea of people who pretend to be tough online but in reality turn out to be the older version of the kid who hid out in the Audio Visual class in high school to keep from being picked on by all of the popular kids.

(Yeah, I saw that BS about 6?7?, 265 with size 14s too. Assuming you’re not lying out your potheaded ass about that, I now have the template to beat the shit out of you. So c’mon. Try us, chickenshit.)

Perhaps you too should go back and read that thread a little closer. Sheese!

WASHINGTON, DC – Charles Freeman has withdrawn from consideration as National Intelligence Chair. Another appointee is claimed by the Obama Curse.

Freeman has faced great opposition to being considered as Chairman of the National Intelligence Committee, usually in regards to his criticism of Israel’s policies. However it wasn’t until a recent string of bad luck-a flat tire, his cat ran away, and his grandmother absconded to Tahiti with the bulk of his checking account-that he decided to withdraw his consideration for the position.

Since December nearly a dozen major and minor Obama appointees have backed out from their assignments, believing their positions to have a curse on them. Poor luck and bad publicity have befallen many of those picked for appointment by President Obama.

“Poor luck”?

For the first time in history….the clothes have no Emperor.

We’ve been pointing each one of his lies out for YEARS. In detail. With official reports and investigations to back it up. You just stick your shit-stained fingers in your ears and go “la la la la la” and then say we proved nothing.

Then you should have no problems whatsoever in giving me an exact and unequivocal answer. I said prove it…not tell me “we all know”..if they have been pointed out, then you show me one example

ONE.

ONE lie that he told in all “of his speeches”…show me, Allyn. You made the statement, now you back it up with facts.

Where, when, who, and the exact text that proves him a liar.

I could rub your nose in a pile of dog shit and you would tell me it is pudding, even though everyone else smells the stench on your face.

Proof.

You are part of a very tiny and shrinking minority now. Most people have opened their eyes and have seen the lies. We are experiencing the results of those lies right now. And yet people like you are scrambling to try and shift the blame off to someone who has only been in office for 45 days.

Yet the fact Obambi lied is nothing more than the truth. His ties to Reszko, his relationship with Wright, Ayers..well well, looks like the liberal meme re Pres. Bush’s use of signing statements was more liberal dementia.

Obama to use signing statements

And this

1. Occidental College records — Not released

2. Columbia College records — Not released

3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’

4. Harvard College records — Not released

5. Selective Service Registration — Not released – well we all know he was too much of a coward and a Kerry wannabe to serve.

6. Medical records — Not released

7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’

8. Law practice client list — Not released

9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released – Vault copy still not available.Why?

10. Embossed, signed, paper Certification of Live Birth — released – FORGERY.

11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None

12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

13. Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’

14. Illinois State Senate records–’not available’

There it is, Allyn.

President Chickenshit, never served a day in his life, a cut and run poltroon, a liar, a socialist and a fool who can’t even organise his own administration without jamming both feet in his mouth.

Hope…change….

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Just another venal, lying, posing Chicago politician who is in a job way WAY above his pay grade.