The Voice of Youthful Idealism

We got a comment in a completely unrelated post about how our “hatred” of the backstabbing EUroweenies was entirely unbecoming, seeing as how wonderful, peaceful and cooperative the EUnuch Union really is and how they’re inevitably destined for greatness.

We always love it when somebody tries to lecture us on the nature of Europeans and the Grand EUrinal. It’s not like we haven’t had decades of first hand experience with that totalitarian clusterfuck, after all.

So normally we’d have just laughed, swung the Imperial ClueBat once or twice and moved on, but this was an apparently sincere post from a young 17-year-old U.S. expatriate, so we decided to answer it a little bit more in-depth:OK, my dear young “American-EUro” (whatever the Hades that might be). You’re reasonably polite, so I’ll be gentle with you:

This is not related to the most recent post, it’s a reaction tot all your Euro-hatred of late.

I don’t “hate” EUroweenies, I despise them. There’s a teensy-weensy difference there. OK, so a bit of righteous anger and perhaps a touch of hatred might sneak in there from time to time, but that’s a perfectly natural reaction to being back-stabbed by a bunch of lying, treacherous ingrates who’d all be blown to smithereens and/or speaking German/Russian now if it wasn’t for the U.S.

Don’t be so mean spirited; it hurts your argument. Nobody listens to blind anger.

Oh, but that’s where you’re mistaken, son. It’s anything but blind. It’s cold, focused and unrelenting, but not blind. Oh no. It isn’t.

Here is what a young American-EU citizen thinks……

Bring it on. I’m actually quite curious to learn what somebody who did the trip in reverse might think.

You see, if I believed in hyphens and serving two masters, you might call me a “Euro-American”, but I don’t.

After more than a millenia of inter-European wars, Europeans have finally decided that it was time they put aside their differences and worked together to serve all their people.

You have a mighty idealistic and, dare I say, naive view of European politics there. But the naivete is excusable, considering your tender years and your limited experience on that side of the pond, so let me clue you in:

There is nothing Europeans would rather do that put a knife to the throat of their neighbors any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If they could get away with it, that is.

And in many ways, they do. Take a look at Fermany and Grance, for instance. You think they’re dancing barefoot and hand in hand through the meadows filled with visions of “the common good?”

Heh.

Either of those would wipe the other off the face of the planet in a heartbeat if they thought that they could do it without anybody taking notice. They’ve been at it for hundreds of years and if you really, REALLY think that that power struggle has gone out the window with this new “era” of yours then… Well, let’s just say that you don’t know a whole lot about European power politics.

Look at Germany. They’re just about ready to jump ship and rejoin the “Dark Side”, leaving france dead in the water. You think it’s because they’ve suddenly rediscovered a deep and abiding love for the U.S.?

Please. They were practicing that kind of game and being quite good at it back when Christopher Columbus was nothing but a horny glint in his daddy’s eyes.

Give them an in that gives them a shot at becoming the new European Alpha Dog, and they’ll sell their french “friends” down the river just as quick as they sold us after 9/11.

Or how about ChIRAQ’s charming attitude towards the new Eastern prospective members of the EU? “You just missed a perfectly good opportunity to shut up” and “you can be members of our club if you kow-tow to la france”.

Does that sound like the EUnuchs have entered a golden age of “working together for the good of all?” Only if you’re an idiot.

The European Union cam about at the end of a century in which Europe decimated itself twice. The creation of the EU is, in my mind, one of the most hopeful things to occur in the last several hundred years.

It’s a hopeful thing if you’re an apparatchik member of the unelected elite in Brussels, that’s for sure. But if you’re “just” a citizen, it’s slavery.

They’re no different from the Soviet Union, except they haven’t gotten around to starting up a Gulag system. Yet.

It anyone had suggested it even 50 years ago, they would have been called insane,

Napoleon suggested it 190 years ago. Hitler suggested it 70 years ago. Granted, they WERE insane, but still. It’s not like creating a totalitarian European state is a new idea.

but look at Europe today; united, cooperative and peaceful.

UNITED?

You have endless bickering between the member states over anything from foreign policy to fishing quotas to the maximum curvature of a cucumber, ferchrissakes, each one trying to gain an advantage over the others, while the only thing keeping them from being anything BUT “peaceful” is the fact that they shut down their armies to build a socialist cradle-to-grave nanny state.

It certainly has flaws; both many and deep, but it is a young organization and I am hopeful it will keep getting better and better.

If you’d take the time to actually study the history of it, you’d notice that it’s gotten worse and worse ever since it started as a noble idea about free trade among member states, nothing more.

I have a hard time seeing where you’re getting your optimism from.

The United States (which I am a citizen of) seems to be fearful of the European Union (which I am also a citizen of) because it is just that; new and profoundly different than anything that came before it.

Fearful?

Of WHAT, pray tell?

Their economy?

Their military?

WHAT?

That they’re “new?”

Son, they ain’t new. They’re a rehash of Napoleon’s dreams of a Europe united under french hegemony, Hitler’s dreams of the same under German hegemony and the Soviet Union. They’re the exact same that they’ve always been, and if there’s anything about them that gives us the slightest reason for concern, then it is that they’ll eventually run out of grub and start fighting among themselves like starving pigs at an empty trough, and guess who gets to clean up THAT mess?

AGAIN!

It will, in time, upset the trans-Atlantic balance of power as the EU develops a more unified foreign policy and even perhaps a cooperative military force,

Since they’ve been sliding in the opposite direction ever since their start, they’re not bloody likely to turn around any time soon.

Pigs will fly above the snow-covered slopes of Hell before anything like that happens.

How are they supposed to be getting a “more unified foreign policy” when they can’t even fucking agree on what to do about a shitty little speck on the map engaged in ethnic cleansing in their own feckin’ back yard? Or get even a rudimentary Constitution written down?

A “cooperative military force?”

Son, they don’t HAVE a military. It’s all been pawned off to pay for their welfare state. They couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag if it was doused in gasoline and they had butane torch.

…but what right do we have to tell the Europeans how to live?

I don’t, nor do I want to.

I DO, however, have a perfect right to tell them that as long as they behave as they do, I want absolutely NO part of them and they can, as far as I’m concerned, go fuck themselves, the horses they rode in on and the dog that followed them.

They have a right to control their destiny as much as we have to control ours.

They certainly do. And as long as their misguided socialist adventures don’t interfere with our national interests, they can go on marching off to their Totalitarian Wonderland as much as they want to.

I just don’t want to hear them whining for our help when it all comes crashing down upon their pointed, submissive slave skulls.

To sum it up: I don’t want to hear from them PERIOD.

We can only hope that our superpower and their future superpower will work together for the common good.

I don’t honestly give a shit about “the common good”, except if it means “I scratch your back, you scratch mine”, because “the common good” won’t pay my bills.

And speaking of quid pro quo, they haven’t done jack SHIT for us lately, so why the fuck should I lift a pinky finger for them?

Because they’re really nice people?

Hah.

This world really is big enough for us both.

As long as they stay in their part of it and keep the Hell out of ours, I’m fine with that.

If they don’t, however, they can expect a world of hurt and they’ll have deserved every single bit of it.

They’re on notice, and if they haven’t seen it by now, then they’re more than just a little bit blind. Not that I care either way.

by the way, I’m 17.

And it shows. No, that isn’t a criticism. I remember very well being 17 myself, all full of starry-eyed idealism and a deep belief that people are really inherently good and that they wouldn’t dream of stabbing their neighbors for personal gain.

Unfortunately, that’s not how the world works, and it’s CERTAINLY not how the EUnuchs work, as even a moderately sincere study of their history would show you.

One day you’ll learn too.

259 comments

  1. 1
    Moonbat_One growls and barks:

    Misha, maybe you should send your teenage Eu-phile this

    http://us.st5.yimg.com/store4.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1786_4658625

  2. 2
    Cheryl growls and barks:

    There is hope for our young friend here, Misha. When I was his age, I was a raving *spit* socialist *spit.” Now look at me. Sometimes I think you guys are too liberal for me. Just kidding, hehheh.

  3. 3
    LC Patrick, Royal Medic growls and barks:

    Well done, sire. Gently but firmly, like dealing with a well-meaning puppy who has soiled the royal carpeting.

  4. 4
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Well, I really didn’t mean to be condescending because, like I said, I was that same way once.

    17 means still having a long way to go with the world wide open before you.

    ‘Tis a magical age.

  5. 5
    LC & IB Kate growls and barks:

    One day you’ll learn too.

    On that day, mourn for the innocent child’s passing just a moment and then embrace the adult who emerges in his place.

  6. 6
    XXX growls and barks:

    That was oddly touching. I won’t add anything to Misha’s remarks: he did a good job responding to this youngster and was appropriately gentle.

    I would, however, strongly urge this young one to read British historian Paul Johnson’s incomparable book “Modern Times”. It is a history of the 20th century and one of the most insightful books I have ever read (his “A History of the American People” is also beyond compare). To understand statism in general and Europe in particular, this is one-stop shopping.

    I’m not sure if a 17-year-old reads on that level (you might have to wait until you’re in college) but if you can grasp even half of it, you’ll be the best educated young person in Europe: the book touches on culture, art, economic theory, political philosophy, religion, science and many other things essential to a liberal arts education. I read it when I was 18 (as a freshman in college), and I can honestly say I learned more from it than from all of my first year classes put together. It was enormously helpful in dispelling the thick cloud of Marxist propaganda (of which you seem to be a causality) that hovers over institutions of higher learning today.

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    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Funny, when I was 16, my “idealism” was peace through strength (national defense) Reagan was (and still is) my hero.

    Some of us have never gone through Idiotarianism. :p

  8. 8
    EU Puppy Girl growls and barks:

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger! HAHA! And secondly, I am in no way marxist, I am a firm beleiver in Democracy and capitalism. However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    On a more pleasent note though, why are you people spending so much time and brain power just bitching about things online? Why not go out and improve your own communities?

    Instead of ranting and raving you could:

    1) Volunteer for charities that raise money for breast cancer or MS research.

    2) Volunteer at an inner city school.

    3) Volunteer to visit disabled and homebound veterans.

    The list of ways you could better spend your time goes on and on…………

    Goodbye…………..for now ; )

  9. 9
    LC NEilV growls and barks:

    LC’s
    A bright man once said “if your not a liberal at 20 you have no soul and if your not a conservative at 30 your a fool” or something to that effect.And it still seems true.

    I was a long haired Lefty type who voted for Carter. In retrospect I am glad Ronnie pasted him and became president.
    I became a Reagan Democrat and then morphed into a VRWC member.
    Something about Kids, Jobs,Taxes to change your mind.
    There is hope as the young whelp as he is engaged enough to write to a blog and risk the wrath of a bunch of meat eating right wingers.
    Good luck in Europe .
    I bet your tune will change if you start making money on a guest visa and they Tax your balls off.
    And there is no unified Europe as Misha pointed out.
    Just old rivalrys,bordering on blood fueds.
    A half assed military,and more leftists ,Greens and other freaks to keep Lucas in star wars extras for the next two hundred movies.
    Hopefully with time you will Appriciate the USA.
    If for nothing else but ICE cold beer.
    I know I am a simplisme Ugly American ,But I like cold beer.
    Cheers from Sunny Tampa Bay>:-)>

  10. 10
    George Turner growls and barks:

    What I find interesting is that many countries may find themselves deeply enmeshed in the EU and then discover that their own citizens desperately want to bail out. How will Brussels, full of even more hubris than it presently has, unbelievably enough, deal with one or a group of countries opting out long after the deal has been struck?

    The EU has no termination or dissolution clause, as far as I am aware, and the argument that the people in the future Cecesh countries can’t arbitrarily force their fellow citizens to give up EU membership might provoke a serious confrontation. We’d first see diplomatic moves, withdrawl of military equipment that was partially funded from Brussels, demands on this or that EU program, demands for re-imbursement of previous EU costs, boycotts, embargos, fines, back charges, bribes to Cecesh opposition officials, etc. Then it might get ugly.

  11. 11
    Ron growls and barks:

    Lucky Heather-didnt have to go thru the larval Idiotarian stage.

    Put Atlas Shrugged in his hands. Maybe he won’t be so worried about the “common good”-in fact, he may be a bit scared of it.

  12. 12
    MAJ Joseph Knecht, LC, IMC growls and barks:

    Sire
    And Loyal Citizenry,

    This is not a young man. This is a young lady. And I don’t mean this as slander (as proven by my respect for the G.L.O.R.s). Fortunately, she has solid friends who encourage her. They tell her that Europe is a place of hope. The EU is the answer to centuries of war and holocaust. I quite honestly don’t blame her for her outlook.

    The problem is that while it is wonderfully hopeful, it is terribly youthful and consequently horribly naive. The EU is founded on the dreamlike Wilsonian approach to human behavior. “All we need to do is show mankind the right path, and Mankind will follow.”

    Regionally speaking, Europe may be approaching this stage, however, I doubt that it is Western Europe. The French actively use their Intelligence Service to steal industrial secrets from other countries. The Germans are still very very smart, yet very lazy. The British are still saying everything that is “Pro-EU,” while they are actively working behind the scenes to derail it (The Old “Divide and Conquer” Methodology).

    Unfortunately, the rest of the World needs to be approached from a position of overwhelming strength.

    So to the voice of Youthful Idealism, I say…Yes, the World is big enough for the U.S. and the E.U., however, that’s about it for now. Everyone else must be dealt with severely until they come to that place that says enough is enough.

    V/R

    P.S. The Balkans have been at it for 1500 years and they still haven’t arrived at that place. Be careful/cautious.

  13. 13
    NeilVanEerde growls and barks:

    You have no idea how much volunteer work we do.
    We buy Pizza for the IDf every time they shoot a terrorist.Sounds like charity to me.
    And I have donated lots of money to charity including Hospice .Because my brother died of AIDS. so take your snooty attitude and Vacate the premises if you dont like our attitude.
    No run along and bugger off.
    I wouldnt assume stereotypes because we are conservative.
    Cheers

  14. 14
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    The lad would seem to be on the right track, as he admits to reading the rot,

    “all your Euro-hatred of late.[Emp Mine]”

    and seems mostly to be blinded by the promise of ideologies, without taking into account the realities of the world in which they are implememted.

    Keep reading these pages ‘young American-EU citizen’ as a counter weight to the idiotic propoganda so widely available.

    And Remember – A vote for Kerry (he served in Vietnam by the way) will make those mean old French people stop sneering at us!!!!

  15. 15
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    Dammit, Dammit, Dammit

    Heads will roll!!!!!!!

  16. 16
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    EU Puppy-shit–

    Firstly, you don’t think we sit around the Rottweiler all the time, do you? There are a hell of a lot of volunteers, charitable workers, and the like who come here. There are all walks of life represented here: military, police, doctors, parents. You might want to take that into account before you open your sassy little mouth.

    Secondly, you’re not exactly going to rack up the brownie-points in the Blogosphere acting like a snot-nosed cunt.

    Thirdly, I can recommend lots of other ways to get attention. Playing in rush-hour traffic is one of them.

    On a more pleasent note though, why are you people spending so much time and brain power just bitching about things online? Why not go out and improve your own communities?

    The same could be asked of you, pissant.

    –TwoDragons

  17. 17
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Why thanks EU girl!

    Instead of ranting and raving you could:

    Shut up and let socialism hold sway? Stay quiet while our pockets are picked?

    1) Volunteer for charities that raise money for breast cancer or MS research.

    Why wouldn’t we just send them some money and quit wasting time digging holes and filling them up again?

    2) Volunteer at an inner city school.

    Volunteer to do what, exactly? Have you ever tried to get around the NEA? People with Ph.D’s in physics often can’t get near a public classroom. They have to spend a couple years adding columns of 2-digit numbers to show that they know how to add, and thus satisfy the requirements for their teaching certificates.

    3) Volunteer to visit disabled and homebound veterans.

    Why not just drink beer with them at the VFW? Why is everything with you volunteering? How about just seeing what needs to be done and doing it, instead of continually signing up as a stooge in some left-wing nut’s mismanaged effort at assuaging their own guilt at not being a total failure?

    The list of ways you could better spend your time goes on and on…………

    Like working, or designing new weapon systems for the US, which is what I’m currently doing as I sit here, in between firing off comments.

    Goodbye…………..for now ; )

    Thanks a bunch! Hurry back!

  18. 18
    me growls and barks:

    Tried to post this at her site…(don’t know if it took…

    Lol… you are quite the cunning young lady…. except that you will understand what he is saying in 10 or 20 years and will not feel quite so cunning then. I was in Germany when the wall fell, I saw the freedom and cheer they felt in HS (at Ramstein American HS) as a Mil dependant. Then going back a few years later as an army soldier, I saw the pain and division amongst my German friends. As the West Germans struggled to bring the east up to their standard of living and the Easters (East Germans) tried to “Moderate” their Western couisins. Is all a tragedy. And the Euro is their curse. Please Candle, I wish you all the best, but they will regret this years down the road….

    Dawnsblood!1@earthlink.net (remove the ! to e-mail)

  19. 19
    Ron growls and barks:

    Ho, ho, ho, EU PuppyGirl!

    Sorry, don’t have much time for those three.Or anything much else. I have this thing called a “job”. I also have two things called “children”, and a “wife”. All three of these demand great amounts of attention. Reading blogs, watching the news is the best way for me to keep up. Ok with you, sweetie?

    It’s why many Republicans aren’t activists-we’re too busy.

  20. 20
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    I really find it funny that you guys say I’m stereotyping you, yet how odd it is then, that most of you apparently cannot believe I’m a girl. Sexist maybe? Or just naive? I’d say both. And teh only reason I’m hanging around here is becasue it’s soooooo entertaining to annoy people at night when one’s homework is done. It’s better than TV! And keep those comments coming weapons boy; you are really putting me in my place.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  21. 21
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    I really find it funny that you guys say I’m stereotyping you, yet how odd it is then, that most of you apparently cannot believe I’m a girl. Sexist maybe? Or just naive? I’d say both. And teh only reason I’m hanging around here is becasue it’s soooooo entertaining to annoy people at night when one’s homework is done. It’s better than TV! And keep those comments coming weapons boy; you are really putting me in my place.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

  22. 22
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Um, in case you haven’t noticed sister, about half the people here are girls. They’re just not stupid ones.

  23. 23
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    What a sad, useless little girl. Her site is a shrine to her own self importance. Her knowledge of current events is about as deep as the layer of oil on my HK.

    I envision her becoming a Vegan, Greenie professor in Washington.

    Oh and we are quote:

    I’ve found others such as Adam Yoshida (adamyoshida.com) and the Anti- Idiotarian Rottweiler (nicedoggie.net) to be filled with rabid hatred of liberals/Europeans/theUN/democrats/Greens/Vegetarians/Africans and African-Americans/the poor/Muslims/Hispanics/Teachers/etc,etc…the list goes on forever. And I don’t mean “I hate their stupid butts” kind of hatred, I mean “lets kill them” and “lets destroy their businesses and homes” kind of hatred. The scariest part is, these blogs aren’t just forums for the extreme views of a small number of individuals. These are mass audience fare.

    Moronic, small child.

    Later on, she claims that no one on the Left is as Hate-Filled as us. *cough* DU *cough* Indymedia *cough*

    I wonder when she will discover the Eeeeevvvviiiillll Zionists of LGF?

    I would be angry, but she is so damned stupid. Its like be angry at a person with Tourette’s Syndrome cursing at you. They can’t help it. She is too stupid to be anything but liberal. Let’s hope she survive’s the Clue infusion the world gives here.

  24. 24
    USA/EU GIRL that's G.....I.......R.......L growls and barks:

    Then why are so many of you calling me “him” I am quite obviously also A GIRL

  25. 25
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Misha, I have a feeling we have another hopeless waste here. Maybe in another 10 years, after this little 17-year-old bitch discovers the meaning of the word Responsibility, her smartass little tune will change. But for now, I’m just going to give my eyeballs a workout rolling them at her smarmy little bullshit.

    Heh, if someone can stand her long enough to get her pregnant, she might even discover how time-consuming Parenting is.

    This is why there’s a Generation Gap. It’s smartass little teenage slut-punks like Puppy-Shit who think we’re stupid and gullible. But she forgot one crucial thing: We obviously aren’t, because we’ve survived at least 10 years longer than she has, most of us are raising healthy children, and even hold steady jobs. You just don’t do that without developing a measure of sense.

    –TwoDragons

  26. 26
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    I ahve no problems with little Green Footballs. And why would I ahve any problem at all with “Zionists”. Shakes head. I have Jewish friends you morons and I really don’t get into the Israel-Palestine thing, and if I did, I wouldn’t go pro-Palestinian. You don’t want liberals to stereotype you, so don’t stereotype us. Besides, what would you know about my knowledge of current events. Right now I’m only posting about The NCLB Act and how it relates to my town.

  27. 27
    Richard Aubrey growls and barks:

    If you wish to retire the trophy at the next Olympic Oxymoron Contest, here’s the surefire winner:

    EUROPEAN DIPLOMACY

    If European Diplomacy were a disease, would it be worse than the Black Death? How many people have died of European Diplomacy, anyway? How many Americans have died of European Diplomacy?
    My father was shot in several countries trying to straighten out European Diplomacy. Then his sons and his comrades’ sons spent a generation, almost two, trying to keep a lid on the leftover shit from European Diplomacy.
    You think European Diplomacy was voluntarily dropped by Europeans? Hell it was. It was a third of a million American soldiers wandering around the continent, with a million more ready to take ship or airplane and teach the Europeans a lesson again. It was this situation which generated the descriptive title of US participation in some dicey situation (“adult supervision”)
    When I went to Spain to help my wife chaperone a trip with her students, I was the first Aubrey male in several generations to go to Europe without the express purpose of killing Europeans. As it happened, the pickpockets, purse snatchers and deinstitutionalized demented left us alone. Racial memory, probably.
    I’ve seen the expat kids before. My wife and I worked with American Field Service exchange students for more than twenty years. One inevitability was that the kids who went to Europe could be guaranteed to return telling us how much better things would be if we ran our foreign policy after the, say, Italian model. Knowing it was coming, we let them go on about it. They generally recovered in about six weeks and we never embarrassed them by bringing it up later on.
    The kids who came from Europe, on the other hand….
    One Norwegian kid said they had a draft, but they didn’t train hard. If anything happened, they knew, he said with a snicker, who’d take care of them. I left the conversation. I understand an Aussie kid told the dork that Mr. Aubrey seemed disturbed.
    Yes, I agreed enthusiastically, we should bring US troops home NOW. Really enthusiastically.
    Um, now, wait a minute. Right now?
    Sure. Shouldn’t have shown up in ’17 or any time since.
    Well….
    Crap. Didn’t mean to get this worked up.
    One more: “Sophomore” and “sophomoric” have the same root for a reason.

  28. 28
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    Denita, from her site – Gaaah talk about High School flashbacks – the ‘man’ of her dreams will be some Model UN ‘hunk’ who will sweep her off her feet with talk of the International Criminal Court and eeevvviiiilllll of America’s refusal to get rid of landmines.

    Let us hope they are either sterile, or one of them has the sense to use protection. If a child could survive such ‘parenting’, what would it be like? *shudders*

  29. 29
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    You don’t want us to “stereotype” you? Then why do you conform to the stereotype, hmm? So far you’re behaving like the usual stuck-up brat teenager who has little to do but pester adults on the web. In fact, I daresay you’re acting like a *gasp!* TROLL.

    Please do us a favor and come back in, oh, say 15 years, mmmkay?

    –TwoDragons

  30. 30
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    She could be another Rachel Corrie/aka/ St Pancake de Jemima. It’s in her soul.

    Watch out for those Caterpillars, pookie. (heh)

  31. 31
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Very true, Richard.

    If you look at the relative position of Europe at the start and end of the 20th century, you can see what all that fancy European diplomacy accomplished. If the US had been as successful at diplomacy we’d have ended up back as 13 colonies struggling to hold onto the Atlantic coast. Yet the Europeans think our political skills are “crude”.

  32. 32
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    “Darwin’s theory of the struggle for existence and the selectivity connected with it has by many people been cited as authorisation of the encouragement of the spirit of competition. Some people also in such a way have tried to prove pseudo-scientifically the necessity of the destructive economic struggle of competition between individuals.

    But this is wrong, because man owes his strength in the struggle for existence to the fact that he is a socially living animal. As little as a battle between single ants of an ant hill is essential for survival, just so little is this the case with the individual members of a human community.”
    (Albert Einstein, European.)

  33. 33
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    OMG thsi gets better and better. You guys could dream up a whole biography for me “Naive, shitty, foreign sevice child, Diplobrat, loves Italian politics…..”

    Only it’s all fake.

    I was born in NYC, spent 7 years in Ireland and moved back to the USA to live in Connecticut.
    Tehn went to Australia and finally came back to the US again.

    By the way…….is this also a forum for psycho 20something mothers?

    hahaha..

  34. 34
    Dong growls and barks:

    Stop Caterpillar sales of Murder Machines to occupied Palestine!

  35. 35
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    (Albert Einstein, European.)

    Who happened to have escaped to the bad ole US of A,(due to the Holocaust) smart ass.

    Or did you’re European teachers leave that part out?

  36. 36
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Yep, peel the skin back and you find a troll. *yawn*

    Hey Puppy-Shit–you can add “self-absorbed”, “smartass”, and “useless cunt” to the list as well. And judging by your behavior, I doubt it’s fake.

    –TwoDragons

  37. 37
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Oh dear.

    I visited her site. Lots of nice, cheerful people, generally happy comments and sunshine. No fiskings, cluebattings or trolling, just miles of smiles. (What else would you expect from a “novice blogger”?)

    Then she wanders over here and instead of trying to engage in an honest discourse with others, she spoofs the Emperor and a number of LCs.

    Enjoy the attention you’ve garnered, in your “kick them in the shins and run and hide behind Mommy’s skirt” kind of way. There are plenty of people here who are several orders of magnitude brighter than you.

    Enjoy being made a fool of, on your own site, when you least expect it. I hope your skin is a good deal tougher than your intellect. (Of course, you’ll probably just start censoring comments – something Misha doesn’t do.)

    Now run along or we’ll sick Frnak J. on you… he’s about done with The Limey.

    Oh. And Einstein (who married his first cousin) freely admitted he didn’t know squat about anything outside of theoretical physics. Doesn’t stop idiots from quoting him endlessly on a variety of topics, though.

  38. 38
    George Turner growls and barks:

    That would be “argument by authority” Moriarty, which is about all the leftists can try in a debate of facts and logic. “Well this guy was really smart, and he said …..” You see it all the time when they try to debate economics, where some small grasp of reality is an absolute requirement for anyone who so much as runs a taco stand. Yet they’ll stand by and try to argue that all people need is a group hug and more cooperation, pushing various forms of socialism, national socialism, or communism the entire time. They never blink at the fact that every country who’s tried it has ended up as an economic basket case, usually filled with mass graves. 170 million killed by socialists in the past century, outside of war, and such idiots are still wanting yet more experiments with it.

  39. 39
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    But Moriarty – Einstein was GOD! At least the Lefties seem to think so.

    For Puppy-Snot
    Go back home little girl, before BC or Spatula show up.

    And do the world a favor – DON’T BREED. There are too many people already, right?

  40. 40
    Chappie growls and barks:

    Well, I for one, am thoroughly pleased that she returned to the US. I hear that Wal-Mart is opening like 300 or so stores this year. I’m sure they need all the chromosomally challenged people they can find to walk around and put crap back on the shelves.

  41. 41
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    The list of ways you could better spend your time goes on and on…………

    4.Ridding the world of useless Idiotarians.

    I’d like to build the world a home, and furnish it with loooove

    Grow apple trees and honey bees, and….snow white turtledoves…

  42. 42
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    That would be “argument by logic,” George. Sadly, it doesn’t work any better against them.

    Eric, you probably recall the hoary old anecdote…

    “When the solution is simple, God is answering…”
    “God is not malicious…”
    “God does not play dice with the universe…”
    (A. Einstein)

    “Stop telling God what to do.”
    (W. Heisenberg)

  43. 43
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    For Puppy-Snot
    Go back home little girl, before BC or Spatula show up.

    Or Natasha! :>/

  44. 44
    Crookshanks growls and barks:

    Small note to all the citizens around.
    You know, it’s not at all important if the EU-G-I-R-L is right or we are. It’s not about Israel or Islam. It’s easy – what side are you on? We want to defend certain values we beleive as true. I don’t want to see my wife wrapped in black, won’t raise my amazing ass to praise allah and don’t like to see my kid torn to pieces by another shahid.
    Now, maybe we’re fucking wrong – so be it. Again, what side are you on?

    And, DONG means SHIT in Korean. Really, no shit.

  45. 45
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    All right, EU runt bitch, that’s enough. Misha uncharacteristically chose to show you his kinder, gentler side in a sincere effort to explain some things to you, apparently at your sincere request. Now here you are all smug and showing your mocking, ignorant ass, thinking your soooo clever and all.

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger

    However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    And teh only reason I’m hanging around here is becasue it’s soooooo entertaining to annoy people at night when one’s homework is done. It’s better than TV! And keep those comments coming weapons boy; you are really putting me in my place.

    Posted by EU Snotty Little Bitch

    The contrast in tone and intention between those statements of yours, Eu Little Bitch, and these remarks from Misha and the LCs…

    Well done, sire. Gently but firmly, like dealing with a well-meaning puppy who has soiled the royal carpeting.

    Posted by LC Patrick, Royal Medic

    17 means still having a long way to go with the world wide open before you.

    ‘Tis a magical age.

    Posted by Emperor Misha I

    On that day, mourn for the innocent child’s passing just a moment and then embrace the adult who emerges in his place.

    Posted by LC & IB Kate

    That was oddly touching. I won’t add anything to Misha’s remarks: he did a good job responding to this youngster and was appropriately gentle.

    Posted by XXX

    …shows you to be an arrogant, ignorant, ungrateful, hateful little snip with delusions of superiority wholly unfounded in reality. You have refused the hand of friendship and laughed in the face of compassion.

    As you will learn, these are in too short supply in the course of a life to be so carelesly tossed away in derision. In short, you rate no further attention than a kindly, fatherly whack on your rude, prancing little ass.

    Go to your room, you’re grounded till your 21.

    Do your biological parental units know, or care, what you’re doing here?

  46. 46
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    I ahve[sic] no problems with little Green Footballs. And why would I ahve[sic] any problem at all with “Zionists”.

    Moronic child

    Well, sheeple, you seem to love being in the Model UN. Therefore you are practising to be a Jew-Hating, Child-Starving, Embezzler who works for an organization that LOVES dictators.

    You know, you DO sound like a European.

    And why can’t you spell? Is it too hard, or are you too lazy?

  47. 47
    Dong growls and barks:

    End ZOG now!

    We want Secular Socialism!

  48. 48
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    End DONG now!

    We Want Sapient Conversation!

    *snicker*

  49. 49
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    And if the VRWC is so hateful as to ‘want to kill’ those we don’t like, why are UNION MEMBERS beating up people who disagree with them? They aren’t part of the conspiracy.

  50. 50
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    As we say here in Hillbilly Heaven, she fit a buzzsaw!

  51. 51
    pbird growls and barks:

    All this reminds me of a little Lcubed girl I know. She is nearly 30 and just as dumb as this one. But the funny thing is, she fell in love with and married a hardnosed, super masculine right winger….he he. I can’t figure out what they talk about but she’s mesmerized by him. I can’t help but think something good will come of it.

  52. 52
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    …so what exactly does one do in a “Model UN” anyway? Sit around debating the whichness of the wherefore in your mommy’s shoes and earrings while 800,000 or so “Model Rwandans” butcher each other with “Model Machetes?”

    Hey, Ewwwww-Girl… instead of wasting your considerably limited talents, why don’t you volunteer a little time for a hospice patient? I have a few who could use it. (But I suppose that sounds like hard work…)

  53. 53
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    Moriarty, you forgot stealing the silverwear while condemning “Model Israelis” for trying to keep the “Model Palestinians” from murdering “Model Children” and calling for a “Model Palestine from the Model River to the Model Sea”.

    And she wants to us the Model UN as a singles pool for a dating service. How is that for scary?

  54. 54
    Natasha G.L.O.R.&I.P.P.W. growls and barks:

    I think the snot-nosed “liberal” halfwit is our asinine troll “Dong’s” girlfriend. Or maybe his alter-ego…
    But I digress. I, for one, am going to ignore the dimwitted little slut. She can’t spell, she can’t form a sentence properly, and as far as her debating skills go… Well, what can you expect from a product of socialized “education”? Hell, a debate in my freshman Philosophy class in college would have brought her to helpless tears, or to a screaming fit, since the platitude-spewing mental midget could not construct a solid argument even if her entire little life depended on it. Her fellow “liberals” would have torn her apart.

    So, this is all the attention the brainless bimbo is getting from me. Leave her to prepare for her “feminism studies” major, and if, by a very unlikely twist of fate, she turns up on my campus, I will make sure to laugh at her as I do at her caterwauling brain-brethren who are already there.

  55. 55
    Madfish Willie growls and barks:

    EUoweenie Girl:

    You know, I have tried to see things from your point of view, but I just can’t get my head that far up my ass. Get it straight, moron, The Rott isn’t where you come for reassurance. You will be told straight, and honestly that you are a slobbering idiot who should steer clear of social interaction if he wishes to avoid having his head flushed down the toilet.

    Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!

  56. 56
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    The “girl”, and at this point she has changed identities so many times who can be sure, is evidence that the power of the Empire has finally broken the left into a multi-peronality schism. Each “personality” is forced to spew more lies in hopes of mis-direction from the lies that the other “personalites” are spewing. An ever downward spiral of glorious hate where ideals and ideas are irrelevant.

    Go ahead and stick your head in the sand little troll and hope that when the monsters finally become apparent to you, it be not to late.

    Go Fester Elsewhere.

  57. 57
    L.C. debbiej G.L.O.R growls and barks:

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger!

    First of all Tinkerbell, I have bras older than you so don’t think you’ve come in here and pulled the wool over our eyes. We know a troll when we read one.

    However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    Honey, if you are carrying on like you just won the Miss Teenage America Contest just because your immature post got a little attention you are the most gullible there is. We all feel very sorry that you are in the fantasy world you seem to have taken hold of. You are going to wake up one day and it’s not going to be pretty when you realize your sunshine and flowers view of the world was just smoke and mirrors. (the latter of which I am sure you have alot of since you seem to be so full of yourself.)

    On a more pleasent note though, why are you people spending so much time and brain power just bitching about things online? Why not go out and improve your own communities?

    How in the world do you know how much time any of us spend online?? Most adults (something which you are most certainly NOT) have jobs. By going to work every day we are all doing something to improve our communities. We also VOTE (something which again you are to young to do). What time we spend online is used to keep up with the news. To learn what is happening, and unlike you, we form our own opinions and act upon them. You on the other hand seem willing to allow anyone to pour any type of drivel into your still jello style brain and then act as though you came up with it all by your lonesome.

    1) Volunteer for charities that raise money for breast cancer or MS research.

    Giving money to these charities promotes research just as much as attending some “Walkathon”. As for myself and my hubby our personal computers have for nearly two years have been used for Medical research for Uninted Devices. We allow them to download research to our computers and when they are not in use the computer runs through research programs for such things as Small Pox and Cancer. When the computer has run the program it uploads it back to the lab and downloads another pack. My father died of cancer so do NOT preach to me about “donating” my time going to walkathon’s or buying things with pink ribbons on em. I am donating my computer to allow medical labs to be able to find cures faster without the high cost of computer time.

    2) Volunteer at an inner city school.

    For one thing we are not a big city so we do not have “inner city” schools. Even if they did, do you know what you have to do in order to be approved to be allowed near those kids?? If you want to whine about that how about suggesting Big Brothers or Big Sisters? YMCA?

    3) Volunteer to visit disabled and homebound veterans.

    I have sweety. I have also spent countless hours in Nursing Homes visiting those seniors who do not have family to visit them. How many Nursing homes have you ever been in?

    The list of ways you could better spend your time goes on and on…………

    After seeing your blog I could say the same for you.

    Well don’t worry hun. You are going to grow up one day. It will be painful….but that’s a part of life.

  58. 58
    Jane growls and barks:

    I got my first track back today on a post entitled “WE are the People who Rejected Europe.”
    And the rejection continues.

  59. 59
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Top Five Things You’ll Never Hear at the Model UN:

    10) “Will the owner of the Chevy Suburban, license plate ‘DUTOIT’, please turn your headlights off?”

    9) “Frankly, I think blue berets make you look cowardly and stupid.”
    8) “You’re nuts. The US has done more than it’s share to support the UN. Let the French start paying some of the bills.”

    7) “Our peacekeeping forces ensured the safety of the civilians and allowed a stable, democratic government to emerge from a brutal dictatorship.”

    6) “Who gives a shit what the rest of the world thinks? We’re accomplishing something worthwhile for humanity!”

    5) “Hey! The condemnation worked! Kim-Jong-Il just stepped down!”

    4) “I got laid last night!”

    3) “Before we give them any aid, let’s make sure it’s not going into the pockets of a corrupt government.”

    2) “Maybe this time, Israel isn’t to blame.”

    And the Number 1 Thing You’ll Never Hear at the Model UN…

    1) “Hey, guys, how ’bout we finish this debate over a beer at the topless bar?”

    Eric, speaking for myself… I think we’re safe. EUnuchs don’t breed.

    (All right… Frank J. I ain’t. But it was worth a try.)

  60. 60
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Aw crap.

    Make that “Top Ten Things.”

    I expanded the list…

  61. 61
    LC Monster Kabasue growls and barks:

    1) Volunteer for charities that raise money for breast cancer or MS research.

    2) Volunteer at an inner city school.

    3) Volunteer to visit disabled and homebound veterans.

    My dear young lass, I build computers for disabled people, and come this May I will be volunteering at special oylimpics. First thing you need to stop doing is class-typeing people it’s racist.

  62. 62
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    It’s OK, Moriarty, no one is FrnakJ (not even him!) but that was damned good ‘n funny. Esp. no. 4.

    Letterman’s assured a place in Heaven for no other reason than the Top Ten List.

  63. 63
    Toren growls and barks:

    Here’s an Einstein story you never hear from the lefties:

    “After the arrival of Professor Einstein in the United States, efforts were made to involve him in the campaign against tobacco smoking. Einstein, himself a smoker, considered this campaign incompatible with personal freedom and human rights.”
    –P. Frank “Einstein, His Life and Times”

  64. 64
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    doc Moriarty;
    my laughter woke Domestic-6.
    It’s all your fault, you magnificent bastard!
    That was beautiful!

  65. 65
    LC Battedelune growls and barks:

    And if the VRWC is so hateful to “want to kill” those we don’t like then why are union members beating up people who don’t agree with them?

    I feel obliged to point out a bit of hypocrisy here. When that picture of the idiot with the “I love NY even more w/out the world trade center” picture started circulating I read quite a few comments suggesting that this person should have been beat senseless and Misha even ended his post with “kill them, kill them all”. So which is it? Should violence be practiced against people who show up at rallies with signs you disagree with, or not? Of course I’m not arguing the merits of the signs in question, just that people have the right to carry whatever signs they want, regardless of the intelligence exhibted on said signs. If the Klan wanted to have a rally and hold signs that said “Fuck Niggers, Kikes and Fags” I would argue that it is their right to, regardless of how morally repugnant or anti-american I personally feel their views are. Maybe that’s just the overly tolerant bweeding heart wiberal side of me, though.

  66. 66
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    wow. intelligently put.
    Of course, all joking aside…
    As far as I know, that traitor with the sign is still alive and well unless his stupidity killed him. Nobody raised a finger against him.
    Margolis, OTOH, was actually assaulted, along with his cohorts and a family member or two.

    Misha said these idiots should be beat to a pulp.
    I agree, they should… but they won’t. Not by us, at least. The reason why is because while we may become insanely furious at who the law protects at times, we respect it because it protects us, as well.

    (unless you are attacked by a union thug?)

    As long as the law protects us, we are bound to operate within it.
    When the law will no longer protect us, it no longer morally constrains us.

  67. 67
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    Misha said these idiots should be beat to a pulp.
    I agree, they should… but they won’t. Not by us, at least.

    Speaking for your self, I presume?

    First sumbitch takes a poke at me for political (or any other) expression impales himself on my sword.

  68. 68
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    I’m sure there’s an LC attorney or two out there who can better explain this than I, but as I understand it, there’s such a thing as “fighting words.” Waving a sign such as you described would probably get the fictional Klansman a sound beating and (depending on the circumstances, the community and its legal system) might not result in prosecution.

    I wasn’t there for the Margolis Incident, so I don’t know what words were exchanged. However, I’m inclined to suspect that Margolis wasn’t stupid enough to trade personal insults with a steelworker, thinking nothing would happen.

    Rights aren’t absolute. There are times when calling the wrong man a coward and a liar can get you knocked on your ass quite justifiably.

  69. 69
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    ummm…..
    I think I may have been inarticulate, Jon.
    The “idiots” I refer to are the ones saying they like NY better w/o the towers.
    If someone attempts to use force to silence me, I shall respond with whatever appropriately violent action I deem most efficacious.

    I was referring to the fact that the left used violence against Margolis for stating his support of the visiting President, while we on the right have done no such thing. This translates into evidence that the right respects the law, while the left does not.

  70. 70
    L.C. debbiej G.L.O.R growls and barks:

    That’s because the left is full of spoiled, self-centered children who go around sticking their tongues out at people who tell them to behave themselves. They demand that the world dance to their tune and when we do not they pitch a big temper tantrum.

  71. 71
    LC Battedelune growls and barks:

    …becuase it protects us as well (unless you are attacked by a union thug?)

    It was the police that pulled the thugs off of Margolis, no? I think the union thugs should face some stiff punishment, just like I think that anyone who might have beaten up the “I love NY” kid should have faced the same punishment. You seem to want the law to only apply to people who agree with you.

    stupid kid not beaten up= bad
    Margolis beaten up= bad

    I don’t get it.

  72. 72
    LC Christopher growls and barks:

    Dong’s post about stopping Caterpillar sales got chuckle out of me. it was so out of context. Nothing runs (over) like a Deere. Was someone impersonating him?

    Stop Caterpillar sales of Murder Machines to occupied Palestine!

    Posted by Dong at March 29, 2004 09:18 PM

  73. 73
    Jewels (AKA Saul) growls and barks:

    OT: Alistair Cooke died earlier. Man didn’t even get to enjoy his retirement. :(

  74. 74
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    Damn, this chick is dense!
    She thikns Bush opposed the Kyoto treaty because Bush believes that the US should answer to noone.
    It never even enters her pubescent cranial vault that it is because in reality, the Kyoto treaty was just a scam to defraud America of Billions of dollars using junk science.

    The administration preaches democracy while refusing to submit to international democratic institutions.

    How is the ICC democratic? Is it on the Texas ballot, or the national ballot?

    Liberal blogs can be pretty extreme depending on who’s writing, but I have yet to come across one that calls for the kind of violence the ones I mentioned above do. There are planty of “Impeach Bush” and “Bush=Fascist” and “Go-Socialism” sentiments, but no “Lets go out and burn down a Republican’s home with their family inside” stuff

    So I guess she didn’t hear about protestors going to Karl Rove’s house while he and his family were inside?

    In the process, young children are being robbed of their most carefree years and older students are being pushed to the breaking point, mentally and physically. Apparently our worth to society is now equal to our standardized test scores. We have become numbers on paper, little more. And yet some adults still puzzle at the rampant stress and depression among today?s teens.

    Toots; burnout is overrated.

    Reality is going to slap this chick across the face like a pimp smacks a broke whore after fleet week.

    Looks like a straight up NYU skank-in-training.
    I feel kind of sorry for her; some jerkoff is going to come along, and talk about his “feelings”, she is going to get all week in the knees, and before you know it:
    gonorrheal esophagitis.

    and that is when the reality will hit that not everybody plays nice.

  75. 75
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    Yeah, you don’t get it.
    I never said stupid kid not getting beat up was bad.

  76. 76
    XXX growls and barks:

    “I am in no way marxist, I am a firm beleiver in Democracy and capitalism.”

    You don’t understand Marx at all. His ideas go far beyond what you think of as communism, and they flourish in our culture even today. One can believe in democracy and in a form of regulated capitalism, and still espouse Marxist ideas and assumptions. But this is all upper level political theory, which you may well decide to study someday. If you wish to do so, I strongly suggest that you look beyond the blogosphere and newspapers to learn about these things. Even today, one must read actual books to have any sort of deeper understanding.

    Nothing I have said here is meant to disparage you. In fact, you?ve brought my maternal instincts rushing to the fore. But you are ignorant, EU Girl. Again, I?m not insulting you; I was fairly ignorant at 17 as well (and to top it off, I thought I knew everything and was also an insufferably spoiled snob). You just haven?t had enough time to learn much?there?s no shame in that.

    I was very lucky in this regard, I went to a highly-regarded boarding school, and my teachers were both brilliant and quite strict. Not many girls graduate high school having read The Communist Manifesto, Reform or Revolution, The Prince, The Republic, Utopia, The Courtier, The Federalist Papers, On Liberty, Civil Disobedience and The Wealth of Nations (some of these can be found on the internet). And that?s just what I had to read for history class.

    What?s my point? Just this: You seem to be intellectually curious, just as I was (and am). But you don?t need fancy schools to service that curiosity. You just need to sit down and do some heavy reading, and decide for yourself whom you agree with and what you believe. Leave blogs and the blogosphere for later, when you can be an informed voice. And when you gain that voice? Well, when that happens, you?ll be able to tear the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you to shreds, and they will limp away with the certain knowledge that they have been bested. Knowledge is power, little girl, and when you grow up, it?s money too.

  77. 77
    LC Battedelune growls and barks:

    I was refering to the fact that the left assaulted Margolis for stating his support of the visiting president, while we on the right have done no such thing.

    You speak of “the left” as if they were some kind of actual, fungible, entity with one brain controlling them all, or as if they gathered everyone together in a board meeting and decided it was now policy to beat people up who they did not agree with. People are individuals, who are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of other individuals who might happen to agree with them about alot of things.

  78. 78
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    damn. I know what he is going to say next:
    “but you said that the guy with the ‘NY is better w/o the towers’ sign should get beaten to a pulp”
    Right. He should. not legally, but morally, my sense of justice says that he deserves to have someone who lost a family member on 9-11 break his nose.
    Why?
    Because he is behaving badly (sorry , but that sign was strictly inflammatory, and has nothing to do with politics), and so he should be treated badly.

    Are you up to speed yet?

  79. 79
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    oops. I was off a little.
    Correct. I think that people should be held accountable for their individual actions.
    However, certain behavior tends to manifest at different levels in different groups.
    Marines get in more fights per capita than airmen do. It is not a hive mind, it is just a symptom of the group identifyers.
    The left tends to think that people with different conclusions should be silenced. You see it in universities shunning teachers with political views to the right. You see it with the documented slant in media. You see it with people shouting their beliefs louder, or hurling insults instead of getting into debate. Not a hive mind, but a symptom of the group identifiers.

  80. 80
    LC Battedelune growls and barks:

    We keep crossing mails, argh,

    Misha said these idiots should be beaten to a pulp. I agree, they should…

    sorry if I misinterpreted this

    Also, that Buzz Aldrin video was sweet.

  81. 81
    LC Battedelune growls and barks:

    we crossed again arggghhhh

    Ok, fair enough

  82. 82
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    Shit, I’m tired.
    I gotta get up and PT real early, so I am signing off, buddy.
    Later

  83. 83
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Now, Debbie, there you go again. Of course the left is full of self-centered children – Ol’ Benjamin Spock said that if we disciplined them they’d grow up mentally and emotionally stunted.

    (Of course, that was an era when you could buy a pistol through the mail and school shootings were unknown and we landed on the Moon less than a decade after we became worried about our technical inferiority.)

    Now you can’t even raise your voice to a misbehaving chlld without being accused of abuse (especially in the EU.) Give in to their demands, never deny them anything and don’t teach them anything resembling manners or respect for others. I’ve seen the product of this model. They generally last about two minutes in the job market. (Still paying attention out there, EU-Girl?)

    LC Battedelune,
    Let’s go back over this one more time. The cops will act to prevent a crime from being committed in their presence. Assault is a crime. However, it will fall to the DA, a judge and/or a jury to determine if prosecution or punishment will occur.

    Freedom of speech does not extend to shouting “Fire!” in a crowded auditorium. Neither does it extend to inciting a riot by making or displaying inflammatory comments.

    I don’t know what happened between Margolis and the Union guy. All we have Margolis’ version of the story and the fact that he was assaulted. Mr. Steelworker isn’t available for comment, so all we can do is speculate over whether he was given sufficient cause to go off like that.

    We do know that the guy with the “Twin Towers” sign was careful to hide his face from the camera. We also know that he stuck to a protest rally in SF and not New York City. We can suggest that if he were in elsewhere, waiving that sign, he’d know he’d be in for a rough time. He appears to have known that he was stirring the shit.

    There is a fine line between legitimate protest and incitement to violence (AKA “asking for trouble.) Given what we know as fact, I doubt you’d find a jury willing to let the steelworker off. I also doubt you’d find a jury (outside of San Francisco) willing to convict anyone for handing Mr. “Twin Towers” his lunch.

    (Glad you found my missive funny, doc. Now hit the rack before your Domestic-6 gets as annoyed as mine is. Good night!)

  84. 84
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    LC Battedelune,

    Glad you liked Buzz. Still can’t believe anyone would call him a “coward.”

    Good night!

    (For real, this time.)

  85. 85
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    So I guess she didn’t hear about protestors going to Karl Rove’s house while he and his family were inside?

    What’s so “violent” about that? Just a little protest in front of some FASCIST APPARTCHIK’S house. Frankly, considering that we no longer have a democracy, by revolutionary logic, armed struggle is now justified in the JewSA ever since Bush stole the selection. Now the they are trying to prosecute any and all critics of the government and undemocratically overthrowing judge’s decisions to gerrymander and thereby rig the Congress. At this point, armed struggle in teh Jewnited States is now justified….barely. Now I am not going to engage in any such activities or even urge others to do so, but I will say it is justifiable. If the BUSH FASCISTS do not want to face armed struggle, they always dismantle the dictatorship and institute democracy.

    It never even enters her pubescent cranial vault that it is because in reality, the Kyoto treaty was just a scam to defraud America of Billions of dollars using junk science.

    90% of noninsane humans on the planet know that Bush feels the US answers to no one, that Bush preaches democracy but then spits on it himself. Re: the notion that global warming is “junk science” well, 97% of credible climatologists disagree with that, 100% of the rest are all rightwingers with laughable, pitiful biases, and a cursury examination of the literature by any 1/2 smart person (like me) demonstrates clearly that global warming is a clear and obvious fact. The Right lies. The Jews lie. Big business lies. All these groups of people have a religion: Money = God, God = money. You suck my blood or I suck yours. The Right is out to win and the Hell with the consequences, the have a goal in mind and they will do anything in their power to get it. They will tell 1, 10, 100, 100, 100,000, or 1 million lies to get what they want. All that matters is achieving the goal, there is no morality in play at all.

  86. 86
    samkit growls and barks:

    “90% of noninsane humans on the planet know that Bush feels the US answers to no one, that Bush preaches democracy but then spits on it himself. Re: the notion that global warming is “junk science” well, 97% of credible climatologists disagree with that…”

    and at one point in the history of the world, most people believed Earth was flat. an opinion or a theory can be held by many, and still be wrong.

  87. 87
    samkit growls and barks:

    damn, for someone who’s in their seventies, Aldrin can really throw a punch..

  88. 88
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    This has to be a joke. This “person” is too much of a stereotype.

    Remember the fat, middle-aged pedophile calling itself “isitstinky” that kept insisting it was a teenaged girl?

    I think that sick asshole’s back trying to ensnare little girls with a “teengirl” website.

    I think the pervert has “graced us” with his/its presence in a new “guise”.

  89. 89
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    “90% of noninsane humans on the planet know that Bush feels the US answers to no one, that Bush preaches democracy but then spits on it himself. Re: the notion that global warming is “junk science” well, 97% of credible climatologists disagree with that…”

    and at one point in the history of the world, most people believed Earth was flat. an opinion or a theory can be held by many, and still be wrong.

    Do you honestly think that passes for an argument? For chrissakes. Back when people thought the Earth was flat there was no credible science to speak of. Anyway, based on the knowledge of the time, saying the Earth is flat was probably a reasonable assumption. Clearly, the state of modern science is far beyond that. There are a couple of theories here: 1. The Earth is getting warmer. 2. The Earth is getting warmer, and humans are causing most or all of the warming. I suppose 90% of the Right rejects the clearly provable notion that the Earth is getting hotter. Apparently 10% of slighltly honest Right acknowledge that the Earth is getting hotter, but say the change is completely natural. So……bro, have you checked out the evidence or what? I have. While I am not a scientist, from what I can tell, the evidence is clear as air.

    All theories must be judged against their countertheories. The Right’s countertheory for (1) is 1a. The Earth is not getting hotter. But this is clearly falsifiable and we have a ton of evidence that it is. The Right offers absolutely zero for their case that the Earth is not warming. For (2) the Right offers 2a. Well, sure it’s getting hotter but humans have nothing to do with it. They offer zero evidence for natural causes for global warming. Further, a highly suspicious graph exists showing carbon dioxide emissions that just happens to approximately parallel the rise in temperature over decades. Its basically a linear graph.

    But hey look man, you Rightwingers are just not honest people at all. Your religion, as I outlined above is God is money, Money is God, You suck my blood or I suck yours. Honest rightwingers are as rare as wildflowers on Antartica. You guys believe what you want to believe, not what’s true. And in that you DO mirror most human beings, who have no use whatsoever for science and just believe what they want to believe. When the facts suit the agenda, they believe the facts. When lies suit the agenda, they believe the lies. This is the human condition.

  90. 90
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Can you show proof of these assertions or are we supposed to take your word for it.

    The point is that while I’m not rejecting “global warming” out of hand, (Hey look! I’m open-minded!) serious questions have been raised about the methods used to come to these “global warming” conclusions.

    I remember an ice age instead of global warming being predicted not too long ago using “the cutting edge” of modern science.

    Don’t you think it would be wise to be sure of the facts before enacting “drastic measures” like the Kyoto Treaty?

  91. 91
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    By the way, a suggestion. Making assumptions and labeling people that you don’t know makes you come across as a hypocrite.

    You are practicing the same tactics that you decry. Lacing your comments with tired rhetoric and cliches does nothing for your credibility.

    You apparently haven’t read this blog for very long or you would know that “Dong/Bill/Jimbo/Mike/etc.” is a long standing little pet troll that we keep around to kick once in awhile. He/It can be quite hilarious.

    Changing your name to “DongFanClub” in an effort to annoy comes across as bit childish.

    But hey! if it makes you happy, you’ll find that we’re quite accomodating *snicker*

    I still suspect that you’re a middle-aged, fat guy pretending to be a “teeny-bopper”.

  92. 92
    SharpShooter growls and barks:

    Ding,
    We’re carving off another thread here, but its difficult for me to read your broad assertions and let them go without comment.

    I, too, am concerned about global warming, but I have yet to find the ‘ton of evidence’ you claim would make it black and white.

    I have found credible evidence of records of overall temperatures rising, but that’s ALL they are. YOU seek to conflate these records of slight change over the last 200 years of RECORDED, REASONABLY ACCURATE observations, with any of several theories on WHY this warming, all the while ignoring calm voices asking, “Is this warming statistically valid? Does Earth go through warming/cooling cycles as a matter of fact every X-number of years? Does the Sun fluctuate 1-3% every X number of years? Is there ANYTHING we can do about either of those mega-conditions?”

    Sorry, Dongduchon, you’d do better to rethink your shaky position…

  93. 93
    DongFanClub growls and barks:

    The “girl”, and at this point she has changed identities so many times who can be sure, is evidence that the power of the Empire has finally broken the left into a multi-peronality schism. Each “personality” is forced to spew more lies in hopes of mis-direction from the lies that the other “personalites” are spewing. An ever downward spiral of glorious hate where ideals and ideas are irrelevant.

    Yes, she is a girl, of course, and no, you have not “split” the Left into any kind of “personalities” other than the infighting mess they always are. Actually, liar, the Right under Bush has done a remarkable and stunning job of uniting liberals, the Left, and the whole Democratic Party against him. It’s really quite an achievement. And of course, the majority of citizens in most every nation on Earth hates Bush, and so of course HATE every rightwinger on this board. You know what is the funniest thing about the Right? The way you project. The Jews do it too, the Zionists, they all project that absolute madmen. You project those qualities about yourselves – lying, hateful, spiteful, etc. – that you are uncomfortable with onto the Left, where they are not so common.

    Why not just come out and be an honest asshole rightwinger. Be hateful, spiteful, dishonest, lie, cheat, steal, smear, be a hypocrite, fight dirty, contradict yourself….I mean, that is what you guys do, that is what DEFINES the Right, all over the world, all down through time, these are your qualities. This is why you win. Whoever fights dirtiest, nastiest, lies, cheats and steals the most in life wins. If you play fair and act nice you lose. So just embrace you true, natural, nature, the qualities that ensure your success, and quit shunting the blame off on others.

  94. 94
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    The pedophile returns spewing inane blathering. He/It must be resting up between gratification sessions with “barelylegal” porn.

    Yes, she is a girl” – WTF are you talking about? Are you referring to yourself? BWAHAHAHAHA! Looks like the middle-aged fat guy blew his/its cover.

    Notice he/it doesn’t respond to any questions, it just blathers the same tired hate-filled bullshit over and over.

    Like a parrot but less intelligent.

  95. 95
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    This idiot is reminding me more and more of that clown “F**kIsrael”

  96. 96
    Random Numbers growls and barks:

    No one who looks can seriouslt state that the Earth’s climate is not constantly changing. The questions to be addressed are:
    1. Is climate change anthropogenic? The answer, when you look at long-term climatological history is: probably not. There has not been ONE theory put forward thatboth matches the data over time and declares climate change anthropogenic. If you have any candidates, please put them forward.
    2. Is climate change a problem. The long term answer is no. As little as 1500 years ago, there were vinyards in northern Whales. You can’t grow grapes there now…IT’S TOO FRICKIN’ COLD!

    YOU seem to be the one with the fanatical religious tendencies here. You accept ON FAITH disproven theories about how the climate changes and create a Satan (Rightwingers) to blame for all the evil in the world. You fail entirely to even LOOK at the evidence of natural climate change and seem to think that there is only one mean temprature that the Earth has had for all time.
    Look at these little heresys:
    http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/determining_climate_record.html

    http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=pb&id=237

    Here’s a hard religious right-winger for ya:
    http://www.perc.org/publications/articles/Crichtonspeech.php

    http://www.sepp.org/NewSEPP/GW-Aliens-Crichton.html

    You make insulting accusations without backing then up and call US dishonest???

    Fuck you!

  97. 97
    Bess growls and barks:

    I would just like to thank the eu girl for pointing me to the “adamyoshida.com” site .Never heard of it before.Also ,he’s got a piece on israel up and in the responce section there are about 20 responces and all from new-age nazi,politicly correct goat humpers (eu girl excluded of course– never one to insult or argue with a lady),so if anyone wants to go and add their 2 cents– would be nice to at least even out the field a little.
    Sorry,if it looks like an ad for other site–it isn’t that,it’s just I never met a pro-isreal japanese before — if you need to, check my ip address.
    As far as eu girl’s views you guys are waisting your time trying to chainge them –if you look close they’re just a print out of a cnn news review ,there is no thought behind them .To change one’s views one has to have them first.

  98. 98
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    This just in: Methane on Mars could signal life.

    or the presence of howling leftist moonbats….

  99. 99
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    Besides, what would you know about my knowledge of current events.

    Uh, maybe that it sucks green donkey dick?

    Trollop.

  100. 100
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    I ahve no problems with little Green Footballs. And why would I ahve any

    OMG thsi gets better and better. You guys could dream up a whole biography for me “Naive, shitty, foreign sevice child, Diplobrat, loves Italian politics…..”

    …can’t spell worth shit…

    (snicker)

  101. 101
    Canadian guy growls and barks:

    Dong fan club is a classic example of a Moonbat from the Loony Left. Load up on the cliches and namecalling and to hell with any facts. FYI, the biggest scandal in Canada’s political history is the quarter billion dollars in kickbacks the LIBERAL PARTY gave to Quebec companys – and Jean Cretin is French Canadian. The left wants to control our money and that is no good. They simply aren’t as efficient as private business is. The LIBERAL PARTY told us that the Gun Registry would cost $2 million; it’s now at $2 billion and still not complete. If a small businessman miscalcualted his costs by 1000 times higher than he estimated, he would be out of business. If a CEO of a major company calculated an expense 1000 times higher than he estimated, he would be fired.

    Dong’s fan club reminds me of this Moonbat I ran into on a messageboard a few days ago. This looon screeches that Bush tells packs of lies. I asked him to name those packs of lies. He replied “Bush said there were WMD and there aren’t”. I asked him to name me one intelligence source who said Saddam didn’t have WMD. Silence from him. That was the “pack of lies.”

    The extremism of the left is shocking because it seems to be filtering into the mainstream. Ex. Dean saying Bush knew about 9/11; Allbright saying Bush had Osama captured and hidden and was waiting to spring him on the public jsut before the election; Wesley Clarke refusing to distance himself from his pal Michael Moore’s incredible “Bush was a deserter/AWOL” comments. And quite frankly, I find Flipper scary too.

    P.S. I love it when the Emperor blasts the EUnuchs. Although there are some good EUnuchs, I find most of them to be pretentious snots. I can’t understand why they sneer at cowboys. Cowboys know right from wrong and cowboys take action when they see wrong. Don’t ever move your “No blood for EUnuchs” rant off your home page. That is one of the funniest (and truthful) things I have ever read in my life.

  102. 102
    SoldierBlue growls and barks:

    An “Anonymous” above has commented about “Italian politics”… yeah, what’s up with Italian politics? I’m Italian, therefore I’m EU, I love and support America and Israel and I’m proud of my government for doing the same. I’m a bit older than 17 but I admit knowing little yet about world politics. However I can’t stand the anti-Americanism of many EU citizens.

    My only hope is that we European Anti-Idiotarians will be able to reform it from inside. In itself, I love the concept of a united Europe working side by side with the USA, but the UE has to go a long way. It has to accept that the USA has the means AND the intention to improve the world; it has to stop whining about conspiracy theories; it has to start treating Israel better; it has to learn that they can’t expect the USA to come and ask for Europe’s help if Europe isn’t disposed to give a break to the USA.

    I think the EU is a beginning, it is indeed a step forward from the times we were all murdering each other. However it had better look at the USA as a model, who went through a Civil War and learned by it. As I said it will take time, but I have hope.

    God bless America, and thank you, Emperor: you site may be abrasive but it tells much that we need to hear.

  103. 103
    LCVeeshir growls and barks:

    Wow, this is a good thread. I love watching snotty, smug, ill-educated and ill-bred nitwits get their butts handed to them all while they think they’ve “shown those Repugnicans”.
    Keep up the comedy routine EU-wench. My favorite is where you change your name-tag to laud one of the resident ‘satire trolls’. Too funny.
    I understand that you’re not very well educated but while ‘satire’ sounds like ‘satyr’, they’re different. I know you’re a liberal moonbat, so you have no clue about satire. It’s a form of humor. Something about which you know as much as you do spelling.
    Or are you really just Mumia or Dong creating a caricature of a clueless, lefty moonbat?
    Either way, thanks for the laugh.

  104. 104
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Don’t bother visiting her website-what’s the word teens use today? Oh yeah–lame. (self-glorifying too)

    Someone needs to set her up with Um Yeah.

  105. 105
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    ms. heather, my sanity precluded me from visiting the little imbecile’s “website”.

    (my conspiracy theory about the little nitwit actually being a middle-aged fat guy trolling for little girls not withstanding)

    From the way people are describing it, I liken it to being strapped into a chair with my eyelids clamped open (like in A Clockwork Orange) and being forced to watch “The PowerPuff Girls” cartoons for a week nonstop.

    STOP! I beg you! NOOOOOO! Turn it off! AEIII! My EYES!!!

  106. 106
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    Yes, a few of us held our nose and took a look at it. It’s so… saccharine.
    I hope she enjoys the traffic; it won’t last.

  107. 107
    MonkeyPants growls and barks:

    Is it me or is there a real problem with the troll quality control program?

    DongUpMyAssFanClub is reallllllly lame.

    MonkeyPants
    Imperial Minion

  108. 108
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    I didn’t even bother checking out her site. I have better things to do–like trim my toenails.

    –TwoDragons

  109. 109
    LC Steve, Imperial Lackey growls and barks:

    Emperor, you were way too kind to the little EUslut. If I may . . .

    Little girl, let me set you straight about some things. First, don’t lecture to your elders; the mere fact that we are older than you means that we have more life experiences to draw from to make our opinions. Lecturing to someone 10, 20, 30 or more years older than you just shows you to be a bigger idiot than we originally thought. Second, don’t make large assumptions about groups of people. Besides the old adage about “assuming” things, you will be wrong many more times than you are right. Third, don’t presume to tell us how to live our lives; you don’t know us, and you don’t know what we do.

    I’ve had children in my home your age, however, years ago The Better Half™ and I decided to specialize in medically fragile infants (she had a little med training in the Air Force years ago) because, quite frankly, they were easier to care for than teenagers. Now, fourteen years and 74 children later, we are quite good at what we do, which if you haven’t figured out yet, is fostering children whose own parents can’t care for them properly. I shouldn’t bring this up, as it will probably sound like profiling or whatever the PC term is this week, but quite a few of the children we care for have very young mothers (18 or younger). In that time, which by the way is almost as long as you have been alive, we’ve taken care of crack babies, FAS babies, babies with CP, severely shaken babies, you name it. We’ve had two children under our care die in the home. We’ve adopted three boys and are preparing to adopt a little girl. If anyone should be cynical about people in general, it’s us, and for the most part, I am pretty cynical (guess it’s an occupational hazard). The Better Half™ and I do this because WE CARE about the children and want to show some children that not all adults are evil, selfcentered assholes. And I also work full time during the day; my time with the kids comes after work and on weekends, when The Better Half™ gets to take a break.

    So, little whiney pissant EU-loving expat, STAY in EUrope with the rest of your ilk. I don’t want to see or hear you spout your trash in my area anytime soon, if ever. My patience for EU lovers who continually rant about how much better EUrope is than the USA is pretty much gone.

    Emperor, sorry for chewing up your bandwidth, but having a 17 year old idiot try to tell me how to live my life just sets me off. Send me a bill; I’ll pay it happily.

  110. 110
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Steve, why you just shot down the stereotype of the eeeeevil, conservative, uncaring right-wing fascist!

    You’ll have moonbats everywhere scratching their heads/backsides (interchangable) and bleating, “How can this be!?”

    Kudos to you for confounding the moonbats and for the work that you and “The Better Half” do for all those kids.

  111. 111
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Steve,

    May G-d bless you and your Better Half ? abundantly. You two are living saints, and I just wanted to say how much I respect and admire you both for what you are doing. I’m blessed to know you.

    Sick and abused little children (and animals, fwiw) really hits me hard. I watched this reality tv show about medical residents last night (on the TLC Channel) and one of their cases was about a little 3 year old girl with liver cancer who received a liver transplant. (otherwise she would’ve died) I could not watch the whole program. I was an emotional, crying mess; I couldn’t take it if that little girl have died. I just prayed for her and for her parents.

    I’ll shut up now, but thank you for what you are doing, Steve.

  112. 112
    Troll King growls and barks:

    I dunno. Some commenters here were unnecessarily rough on EU Puppy Girl. Particularly, questioning her virtue was over the top.

    She’s just a kid. She’s not the enemy. Her Web site shows she’s just a kid, and a fairly normal one at that. She likes volunteer work and Europe and her friends and thinks that perhaps if people weren’t so mean to each other, we could have a lot more peaceful world.

    There’s nothing wrong with those sentiments. We all know that life is more complicated than that. She came to this site to learn more about conservative thinking. Calling her a c— for having perfectly normal thoughts for a 17-year-old doesn’t exactly make her want to agree with us, does it?

    EU Puppy Girl: Conservative thought takes a while to get. Keep doing what you’re doing: Continue your education, keep an open mind, keep investigating and questioning, and continue to seek a balance in your reading (that is, liberal and conservatives) and you’ll most likely end up in a reasonable place.

  113. 113
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Steve,

    Thank G-d there are people like you in this world.

    You know more about true compassion than Ewww-girrl and all of her idiot teenage friends together on a good day.

    Somehow I don’t think Misha is going to be too upset over the bandwidth.

  114. 114
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    TK,

    I disagree in part with you. I understand and agree with the youth part. However, she was rude and insulting. That is something I would never tolerate from my child, why should I tolerate it from her?

  115. 115
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Something just occurred to me,

    I wouldn’t put it past one of the trolls that have oozed through here lately to “spoof” the identity of a 17 year old girl, leave a link to some unsuspecting kid’s little website as an e-mail address, and then proceed to show his/hers/its ass.

    He/She/It then hopes we’ll swarm this poor unsuspecting kid’s website and trash it with the invective that we usually inflict on the trolls.

    The outraged parents, seeing this unprovoked (as far as they know) attack on their little girl’s website, track it back to this blog, and then cause Misha a lot of grief (via his bloghost, IP, legal action, etc) while the scumbag instigator laughs and brags to his asshat friends on how he “brought” down “The Rott”.

    I know I sound a little paranoid but I think this “theory” (unlike my “tongue-in-cheek” theory posted above) is worth considering.

    Just sayin’, is all.

  116. 116
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Elephant Man,

    Good point, but she’s got a post on her page bragging about how she’s trolled over here.

    (Save your sanity. Don’t go there.)

  117. 117
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Interesting point, EM.

    But I do remember a comment left on her blog congratulating her for the “publicity stunt” at the Rottweiler.

    No big deal; just a spoiled brat looking for attention, I guess.

  118. 118
    pbird growls and barks:

    Troll King, the intolerable part was that she didn’t come inquiring in a reasonable manner. She came to mock and entertain herself, if she is a young girl at all.

  119. 119
    Eric Sivula growls and barks:

    Elephant Man, a better theory is that the whole identity is a spoof. The site commentary is consistent with troll droppings here. Consistently poor, but consistent.

  120. 120
    LC Brian B growls and barks:

    …so what exactly does one do in a “Model UN” anyway?

    I actualyl participated in a model UN back in my high school days. Here in ORegon, each school which participates is assigned a nation (or nations, depending on the size of the school) to represent at a 3-day conference each year. Prior to attending, each school must attend an accrediting meeting where the members of the team prove they understand both the procedures of UN committee and General Assembly meetings, as well as the diplomatic policies of the country they represent. I represented Denmark in the Security Council. God, I won’t go in to how horribly I mangled that — I was in my larval Idiotarian stage too. But it was fun, and years later, when I had time and wisdom on my side in reviewing my memories, it was an informative exercize in learning how mob rule can come to dominate global diplomacy.

  121. 121
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    (cues up X-Files theme)

    Went back over the troll’s/trollette’s “comments” to see if they were worthy of the “over the top” blasting or whether some of us “went overboard” as Troll King suggested.

    I noticed a marked difference between “Euro/US girl”‘s posts which stopped at 9:15 and “Dong Fan Club”‘s posts that started after 2:00 AM especially with the increase of anti-semitic references like “JewSA, Jew-nited States, Zionist etc.”

    Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?

    I think the little brat had her fun and as she said earlier, we’re done with her, for now. (Oh boy, I can’t wait. *rolls eyes*)

    I figure that “DongFanClub” is our “favorite” anti-semitic troll that’s too chickenshit to post under his/its other troll name.

    OK, that’s my last conspiracy theory for now, I’ll give it a rest. I wouldn’t want to have the moonbats in those sinister “tye-dye” helicoptors coming after me if I stumbled too close to “the truth”. ;)

  122. 122
    Marc growls and barks:

    Unfortunately that is the way they are brought up over here (I’m an American living in Scotland). The biased anti-American media led by the BBC and papers like the Guardian are unrelenting.

    That is why I started my blog to counter some of this bull.

    Poor kid, I hope they learn from this.

  123. 123
    Troll King growls and barks:

    Yeah, I hear what you’re saying, but the girl’s sexual purity didn’t need to be discussed. It’s not the issue here. We’re discussing her use of her brain, not her other, underage parts.

    She was a bit rude, agreed, but there’s a difference between, “knock it off, ya brat” and “c— bitch slut whore”.

    Zat’s all I’m saying.

  124. 124
    ubu growls and barks:

    Since the subject is EU nanny states, the support thereof by naive fools, and other such foolishness, I’d like to recommend a book of fiction, for those so inclined to recreational reading.

    The Road To Damascus, by co-authors John Ringo and Linda Evans. Set in the future, a nasty three-way war comes to the planet Jefferson. But the destruction and death of that war are nothing compared to the danger of the reconstruction afterwards, at the hands of people who want “only the best” for their citizens…and will stop at nothing to create it.

    Caught in the middle of this is a giant, AI-run machine of war known as a Bolo. Obsolete and abandoned, it is used as an instrument of an oppresion it does not understand, as it carries out increasingly bloody actions in support of what was once a free and prosperous society, and now is little more than a brutal socialist welfare state.

    Bolos were created by Keith Laumer, and have been the subject of several novels and short stories. They are to mere tanks what tanks might be to the Pharoh’s chariots. “Historically” they evolved from the highly automated battle tanks of the 21st century; in fact some contemporary tankers who read Bolo stories call the M1 Abrams MBT the “Mark I Bolo” due to it’s high degree of computerization. Intelligent machines of war, they are the ultimate war machines, designed to defend humanity from its enemies.

    But what if those enemies are human? That is the question faced by Unit of the Line SOL-0045, also known as “Sonny.” Ringo and Evans are top notch authors, and they spare few punches looking at the fundamental self-defeating politics of the left, while simultaneously portraying the tortured psyche of a machine caught between duty and honor. Likewise caught betwen friendship, family, and duty are two people fighting against Sonny — Sonny’s former commander and his wife, who are at the same time, desperately tyring to save their daughter from the clutches of the State. I recommend this book, whether you like military yarns, political, or love stories, it’s got something for everyone.

  125. 125
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    FWUP FWUP FWUP FWUP FWUP

    Damn helicopters flying so low! Hey wait a minute, you don’t suppose…. OH SHIT! It’s them! A squad of hippies wearing Kerry/Kucinich ’04 and Bush Lied! T-Shirts! They’re on to me! I gotta get outta here! Oh NO!, they’re brandishing bongs and tofu! They’re kicking down the door! Send help! I don’t have mu

  126. 126
    Canadian Guy growls and barks:

    Thanks EU(nuch) Puppy Girl – for directing me to your site. I saw you were complaining about Adam Yoshida, as well as this site. You complained about Adam Yoshida’s blog being hateful for his attitudes towards “an end to social welfare, public healthcare, the Democratic party, the European Union, and public education. Yoshida also posts his own perverse fantasies about global warming destroying most of the world’s food sources and then the USA letting those nations (with the exception of Britain) starve to death as they grovel for aid that will never be delivered. Yoshida also enjoys think about mass, public campains of violence and discrimination against Americans with liberal leanings.”

    He sounded like my kind of guy, so I checked out his blog and it’s great! He’s from Canada too – and writes very well. He will be a nice addition to another Canadian conservative I read all the time – Mark Steyn. I loved Adam’s thorough analysis of why Flipper will get clobbered by Dubya in November. I bookmarked his site, thanks to you. Hee hee.

  127. 127
    The Bishop of Port Matilda growls and barks:

    Good Lord Elephant Man, Not TOFU! those SCUM! that’s a weapon of gas production!

  128. 128
    doc Russia growls and barks:

    TK;
    I was harsh on her.
    No apology.
    She didn’t come here with honest intents.
    I also don’t entirely buy that “she is only 17″ line. I went to Parris Island when I was “only 17″
    Her age may be marginally mitigating, but it is a far cry from extenuating.
    Besides, I have seen a whole lot of chicks like her before, and it seems that they always get burned. If I have shocked/horrified her, then maybe she will be a little more aware of the danger, and thusly better prepared in the future.

    I really hope that she figures out that this “peace, love, and understanding” is all very nice, but that there are some people who will use and manipulate her with those good intentions for their own selfish gains.
    I am not going to hold out hope for her, though. Most people who are indoctrinated by this age do not ever mentally break free.

  129. 129
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Yes, Adam Yoshida should be an IB. It’s great!

    Whatcha think, Sire?

  130. 130
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    I too will admit I was harsh, but I also refuse to apologize. When I was her age I was using language a LOT nastier than I just did earlier in this thread. She’s probably aimed worse language at her parents. Her behavior was intolerable and unwarranted, and she was just pulling a lame publicity stunt to try and get attention. Frankly, I was holding back.

    –TwoDragons

  131. 131
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.
    — Sir Winston Churchill

  132. 132
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Oh silly me.

    I actually fell for your cunningly devious deception and went ahead assuming that somebody who posted a comment to my blog might be desirous of a reply.

    How fiendishly clever of you.

    Now, for your next “accomplishment”, you might want to try for something a bit harder than getting a reply on the “nastiest hate blog on the net” (thank you for that one, by the way. I like it when people recognize my efforts like that).

    You could, say, go for getting a reply from the speaking clock of Singapore or, if you’re feeling particularly brave and adventurous, getting a couple of nuns to blush by saying a really naughty word or two.

    Grow up. For your own sake.

  133. 133
    LC Steve, Imperial Lackey growls and barks:

    Ubu, thanks for that! I’ve read several stories featuring Bolos and am always looking for more. I think that over time, Bolo has come to be a more or less generic term for an AI-equipped war machine. I even read one story (don’t ask me where or who wrote it) that stated that Bolos were made by the General Motors Corporation, Mechanized Armor Division.

    FOUND IT! Did a little research. Story was “The Night of the Trolls” by Keith Laumer, © 1963. I was wrong, the “data plate” in the machine read “BOLO DIVISION OF GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION” and the machine was a “unit, combat, bolo mark II”. Yeah, I like the older SF stuff.

  134. 134
    LC Brian B growls and barks:

    LC Steve,

    You’re right about the generic term, although they’re also known as OGRE’s based on the game of the same name from Steve Jackson Games.

  135. 135
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Oh, and Troll King is right.

    Lay off the “c*nt” stuff when talking to kids. ‘Tain’t right. Everything else was highly deserved, however.

  136. 136
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    Dong

    Late returning, but since dong chose to use my earlier comment let me just say this:

    schism, schism, schism you worthless little ostrich. Continue to stick your head in the sand and shout its all the “EEEEEEVIL REPUBLICANS FAULT”.

    Oh, and while your at it, pick up a fookin history book moron. The Right and Left both have their share of haters, but the Left has the market on bloomin idiots and morons.

  137. 137
    YoYo growls and barks:

    hey, I’m from the EU – and Misha is right on target when asnwering this young guys’ mail. We are so endlessly divided, no hard decision can ever be made. It’s all weak compromises. And it sucks up a terrible amount of my salary too – all those damn taxes :-(

    I can understand where this young person is coming from, but really – if the EU could become a US-like state with two or three, supranational parties, then it may work, but everything else is doomed to fail. And I fear my children will pay the bill someday.

  138. 138
    MonkeyPants growls and barks:

    How weird is this: I just went out and bought Keith Laumers “A Plague of Demons”. Invisible, monstrous brain stealing aliens. Great stuff.

    Also read his “Retief” stuff, Laumer was ex-diplomatic corps, and he has the lace panty-waists down pat.

    MonkeyPants
    Imperial Minion

  139. 139
    Brummbar, Count-Palatine of Long Island growls and barks:

    After more than a millenia of inter-European wars, Europeans have finally decided that it was time they put aside their differences and worked together to serve all their people.

    If a man who’s spent several days repeatedly punching himself in the face finally decides – after two black eyes, a broken nose, half his teeth knocked out and serial concussions – to stop punching himself in the face, is this a an epiphany or merely a belated survival response?

    The post-WW2 Great European Age of Peace this naif is so enamored of came about because the Euros, after wrecking themselves YET AGAIN with internecine conflict, were too depleted and exhausted to have another go.

    There is also the little fact that two extra-European powers jumped in and pretty much took over the entire European polity – USA from the West, USSR from the East.

    From 1945-1989, Europe’s destiny was wholly in the hands of foreign masters in Moscow and Wash DC, respectively. During this period it didn’t really matter WHAT the Europeans wanted.

    Europe spent this period serving three uses:

    1) Strategic buffer between the American and Soviet Empires (with unlucky Germany being the actual 50 Yard Line).

    2) Junior member in economic and financial partnerships with whichever foreign master a particular Euro country had fallen under.

    3) Social laboratory for the respective American and Soviet systems to rebuild in their respective images to see which side could create a more prosperous postwar order – no points for guessing who won that contest!

    Needless to say, this extended period of servitude has mindfucked the Euros something fierce, to the point where many of them are consumed with opposing America before all other goals – incl winning the war on Islamoterror.

    The Euros increasingly remind me of teenagers who want to take dangerous and stupid risks JUST BECAUSE DAD SAID NOT TO.

    You’ll understand if I am less than dazzled by their “enlightened” state.

  140. 140
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    OK Misha, I’ll lay off the c-word around “kids” like her. Though speaking as a former 17 year-old girl, I can say with little doubt that she’s probably using even fouler language.

    But that still doesn’t excuse ME for using it. I’ll reserve it for older idiots instead.

    –TwoDragons

  141. 141
    ubu growls and barks:

    Steve,

    You’ll love this one. Ringo and Evans did a fantastic job of showing the limitations of an obsolete Mark XX when faced with moral dilemmas that a Mark XXVI wouldn’t have broken a sweat over–but many a human warrior has come to grief against.

    And the visual of a 5 year old with a toy popgun, holding at bay a 30k-ton machine capable of swatting spaceships out of the sky is as ludcirously funny as it is tragic once you find out why.

  142. 142
    Brummbar, Count-Palatine of Long Island growls and barks:

    Oh, one more note about “peace”:

    Choosing the “nonviolent” approach is only morally admirable if violence was a viable option to begin with.

    If the smallest, weakest kid on the playground solemnly declares, “I will not bully the other kids,” it doesn’t mean a goddamned thing.

    Show me the large, powerful kid who sincerely thinks it’s wrong to push his classmates around – NOW we’ve got something meaningful. NOW we’re talking about morality and ethics.

    The simple fact is that most of the nations who loudly and pompously proclaimed they wouldn’t help “those American cowboys” in knocking over Saddam were in no position to help anyway, even had they been spoiling for a fight.

    When a country whose longterm military force-projection ability is pretty much ZERO tells us that it won’t fight with us – does that really mean anything, or is it just empty posturing?

    “Peace,” my ass. On the other hand, why let the Euros have all the fun?

    I’ll join in: In the name of “Peace,” I will not walk into the nearest biker bar and loudly announce “Only fags ride motorcycles!”

    Not because I’d be beaten into my component molecular elements, but… you know, for “Peace.”

  143. 143
    Sandy P. growls and barks:

    Misha, maybe it’s time to enlighten Euro-girl as to your history.

    You were redder than she was at one point, IIRC. But I don’t think she’ll believe you.

    Also, a good link as to why Tripoli is mentioned in the USMC song. (Barbary Pirates)

    Honey, what you fail to realize is that Europe hasn’t changed. It’s their history. And everything they do just proves it.

    I’ve heard 450m, economic powerhouse – until they do what they absolutely don’t want to do, which is put US-style reforms in place, they’re heading to their graves.

    I’ve been reading the business section of the papers longer than you’ve been alive. Your dog won’t hunt.

    It’s been 1000 years, their time is over – it’s US, Chicoms or Islamofascists.

    Those are your choices, pick carefully.

    It’s going to be a rough ride, better find that Jacksonian that’s in you. You have inalienable and ennumerated rights as an American. Which ones are you willing to give up to get along?

    I think we’re all ears, and I hope no one criticises you on your choices and living in Europe, you’re walking your talk. You must realize, however, we’re not going to give them up w/o a fight.

    It is not better being red than dead. Look at history.

  144. 144
    LC Steve, Imperial Lackey growls and barks:

    I’ll join in: In the name of “Peace,” I will not walk into the nearest biker bar and loudly announce “Only fags ride motorcycles!”

    Not because I’d be beaten into my component molecular elements, but… you know, for “Peace.”

    *cough* *cough* *choke* *gargle* *sputter* Damn, Brummbar, warn somebody next time, willya? Excuse me while I go change out of my coffee-soaked shirt.

  145. 145
    ubu growls and barks:

    Bill Whittle’s got a new article up. Get over there.

    “It’s a Trap”

    Fit’s the subject of today’s Imperial Rant to a T.

  146. 146
    Orion growls and barks:

    Sandy,

    There’s not a lot of difference. If you’re Red, you’re dead anyway – Ask the 200 million already in the dirt.

    Orion

  147. 147
    Sandy P. growls and barks:

    You and I and others know that, Orion, but she doesn’t.

    Misha – You could link to your explanation.

    After all, you are European (I assumed you were) by birth and education, but American by choice and EDUCATION.

    It was a dark and stormy night….

    Call me Misha….

    Come, children, lend me your ears….

    Take us back to those days of yesteryear (my memory is quite hazy on that, Lone Ranger opening).

    I think the thread could have been handled with a little more “nuance.”

    You could just do a couple of lines to your history, link to the story and leave it up there for awhile, since we don’t know when she’ll be back.

    She’s a child, after all. You and she have some things in common. There’s more than 1 way to skin a cat.

  148. 148
    Darth Bubba growls and barks:

    Ayn Rand saw it coming decades ago. A Europe full of “Peoples’ States” with failed economies and America slowly falling to the socialist looters in Washington.

    And sod charitable activities – if you want to do something for humanity, get a job and make money!

  149. 149
    L.C. debbiej G.L.O.R growls and barks:

    Let’s face it. The EU is just pissed at us because we are living (much to their dismay)proof that their systems do not work. We have shown them that a democratic and capitalist society can make it and be strong. They’ve had a few thousand years to get it right and they are still in the stone age of the societal evolution chain. We did it in under 300 years.
    They can posture all they want and try to intellecualize their positions but they know as well as we do they are beating a dead horse.
    Same goes for the moonbats. They know that their ideals aren’t worth the toilet paper they use to wipe their asses on, but they are praying there are enough empty headed and emotionally needy people out there that will buy into it.

    It all comes down to control. How many people can they control through emotional and financial blackmail. The EU and the Liberals are using the same playbook.

  150. 150
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    You could, say, go for getting a reply from the speaking clock of Singapore

    You’re getting tired of that asswipe too, eh, Sire?

  151. 151
    Cheryl growls and barks:

    TwoDragons -

    I disagree with Misha about you desisting from calling Europuppy a c**t. A c**t is a c**t no matter what the age. If she’s old enough to post a comment on this blog, she’s old enough to take the heat for it.

    I used to think “felch” was the most disgusting word in the English language. Back in the days of yore, the ’70s, there was a comic book devoted to it. I have since become inured to it since I started reading this blogsite. Besides, it’s an appropriate word to use to describe the degenerate A-rab Islamofascists. It suits them to a T.

  152. 152
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    OK Misha, I’ll lay off the c-word around “kids” like her. Though speaking as a former 17 year-old girl, I can say with little doubt that she’s probably using even fouler language.

    Oh, you’re absolutely right there, I’ve been 17 myself too :)

    It’s just me, I guess. When kids her age use those words, I’m appalled at their upbringing, but other than that it’s just “kids nowadays”, which is a sad indictment of our society.

    When adults direct them at those same kids, on the other hand, it’s just wrong.

    Sure, “double standards” and all that, but still. I have quirks, so sue me ;)

  153. 153
    Jeoplodey growls and barks:

    90% of noninsane humans on the planet know that Bush feels the US answers to no one [...]

    The thing that kills me is that he says it like it’s a BAD thing. Oh yeah, for the record, using “noninsane” for “sane” is doubleplusungood, bubba.

  154. 154
    Dong growls and barks:

    UN CONTROL OF US NOW!

  155. 155
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Good idea, Sandy, and you’re absolutely right.

    I was redder than Mao at one point, and I’ve talked about it at length from time to time already, most commonly when another batch of fresh young idealists without the slightest grasp of reality comes along and decide that THEY’VE got it and that THEIR model will REALLY work.

    It’s been a long journey from that insanity and I’m quite happy where I am now, but every year another group of youngsters set out on it. Some will make it, some won’t, and the worst of them won’t even try.

    Right now EU-gurrrrllll seems to be too pre-occupied with giggling like a 6-year-old at her own “cleverness”, so I very much doubt that she’s ready to go anywhere intellectually, but that too is a phase. Sooner or later, reality will mug her.

    It always does.

  156. 156
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Reminds me of a introduction to one of P.J. O’Rourke’s books. P.J. was holding forth on his own misspent youth. (I’m paraphrasing from memory here:)

    P.J. was home from college and visiting his grandmother when she cast him a leery glance and asked, “Now, P.J. – you haven’t become a Democrat, have you?”

    “No Grandma! Democrats and Republicans are both fascist! I’m a Maoist!”

    “That’s nice, dear,” she replied gently. “Just as long as you’re not a Democrat…”

  157. 157
    The Bishop of Port Matilda growls and barks:

    UN comtrol of US? The UN couldn’t lead sailors to a whore house.

    But then again, if the UN’s idea of stopping genocide is any indication, (“I say, stop it. What you you are doing is very, very naughty”) then the UN was running the US, from Jan. 1993-Jan. 2001.

    Stop pulling on your Dong, son. Let the poor thing heal.

  158. 158
    iagofest a.k.a fly killa growls and barks:

    Dong sounds suspiciously like h. Or maybe they share a brain.

  159. 159
    ubu growls and barks:

    Don’t be ridiculous. They would have trouble coming up with two functioning brain cells between the two of them, let alone an entire brain.

  160. 160
    Euro/American Girl growls and barks:

    I am back again,

    1) “DongFan” please just go away. I appreciate you try to errrr “defend” me, but you’ve given these people the idea that we are the same person. We’re not. You think of them as nuts from the Right, but you are clearly a nut from the Left. You’re an embarassment to moderates.

    2) I am personally (note: difference between political and personal) offended by the use of c*** and slut to describe me. Would I call you that? Some of you are parents; would you want an adult to call your teenage daughter a slut without knowing her at all besides a tiny glimpse of her political views? I do not use these words, or any worse than them, especially in front of my Mother. I am a respectful daughter and that does not clash with my opinionated personality. Again, there is a difference between the political and the personal.

    This particularly needs to be cleared up: I am ABSOLUTELY not anti-Jewsih, or anti-Israeli. Again, one of my close friends is Jewish. I mourn for Israeli victims of terror. I condemn all kinds of terrorism, whether the victims are Israeli,Australian,American,Spanish,Turkish, Uzbek(bombing in Taskent yesterday), Russian or other. Don’t presume to know anything more about my views other than how I feel about the European Union and I won’t presume to know how you feel about other topics besides the ones you’ve posted about.

    I also feel somewhat dissapointed that a few of you have resorted to attacks on my upbringing. You do not know my Mother. I was brought up to know right form wrong,to be honest, and to treat others as I would like to be treated–and experiences throughout my seventeen years have made me the person I am today, as I’m sure experinces in your lives have impacted the people you are today. Please don’t assume you know my story.

    I came across this site pretty much by accident, but it caught my attention. I have to say it also offended me on quite a few levels.

    Sites like Instapundit and Winds of Change do not cause me to have this reaction. I do not alwas agree with them, but they are not filled with anger. People on sites like Instapundit simply state their views and back them up with evidence. This is better recieved by moderates on both sides of the political spectrum.

    You might call me a “red” a “socialist” a “marxist” etc, but these are labels you’re superimposing on a person you don’t know. All I really did here, the thing that started all of this, was my posting a comment about hatred directed at Europeans. I did not say what party, if any I am loyal to, or what my true political ideology is. I can tell you this though; you’re wrong about me.

    As for me being an old pervert using some poor young girl’s picture on a fake site, well, I can’t prove to you that I’m really who and what I say I am. If you want to beleive I’m a man, go ahead. I’m not though.

    From now on, I will take the highground and not resort to insult hurling as was done to me and vice versa. I did not expect the kind of beligerant response I got, and I reacted to it poorly.

    If I ever post here again, I will be doing so in a mature fashion and I hope your responses to me will be mature also.

  161. 161
    Cheryl growls and barks:

    Euroweeniekid -

    You received that kind of belligerent response because you are so damn tedious. One of your friends is Jewish. You mourn for the Israeli victims of terror. You mourn for all victims of terror, whether they are [insert every nationality], black, brown, white, green, purple, BLAAAAGH!
    You could bore the crap out of St. Rachel of IHOP, may you follow in her treadsteps.

    Now go back to you social studies homework, or whatever they call it these days.

    Peace be with you.

  162. 162
    LC Kong growls and barks:

    Eurogirl:

    If you did not want to come across as a leftist moonbat you need to avoid doing two things: 1) Indulge in the blind utopianism regarding Europe that most leftists here do, and 2) avoid taking a condescending tone. Talk down to people and they will immediately shut you off. Nobody likes an arrogant prick.

    LC Kong

  163. 163
    kid growls and barks:

    If I’m talking down to you, what are you doing to me and everyone else who disagrees to you, putting us in our place? I call that “talking down”.

    P.S

    Thanks for again fantasizing about my death.

  164. 164
    Cheryl growls and barks:

    “Thanks again for fantasizing about my death”

    Don’t mention it. In fact, don’t mention anything.

  165. 165
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    Its not talking down if the facts are on your side, that is called teaching.

    As to what you call hatred or anger on this site. I call it Rage. Never lose your capacity for it.

  166. 166
    LC TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    If this place offends you so much, why don’t you go to LGF and Winds of Change and stay there instead?

    Your behavior towards US facilitated our response to you. And as you have seen, Misha kindly asked us to refrain from using bad language towards you–something I will respect him for. I do not in any way allow such language to be spoken around my toddler son, nor will I tolerate it from him when he gets older. HOWEVER, this is a site populated by mostly adults (and you, right now) and where we might have the mouths of saints around certain company, this is where we let loose. You don’t walk into a bar and expect the patrons to be teetotalers.

    You demand that we don’t presuppose you. But what does it say about you, when you behaved the way you did…? Did you expect us to welcome you with open arms (and clean mouths) after such a lowbrow tactic? Unfortunately, most of us were 17 once and know how we behaved at that Golden Age, and that combined with your previous behavior solidified an unfavorable image in many of our minds.

    HOWEVER, I am willing to erase this and start clean, and I’m sure that there are many others who are willing to do the same–if you are willing to do the same for us.

    I do hope you DO come back and make good on your promise to post in a more mature fashion. Speaking for myself, I will promise to do the same.

    –TwoDragons

  167. 167
    The Bishop of Port Matilda growls and barks:

    If sites like Instapundit and Winds of Change do not cause you to have “this reaction”, (Offended on many levels) why are you still here? We did mention that dissenting views are acceptable if politely issued. (Perhaps we should have said knowledgably as well). I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but your smug lecture on what we should be doing with our lives, spare time, money, etc., was presumptuous in the extreme.

    To use your own words, “Don’t presume to know anything more about our views than what we posted”.

    As far as fantasizing about your death, I missed that part. It certainly isn’t true from most of us here.

  168. 168
    LC Christopher growls and barks:

    Teen sexual infections double

    Sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers have doubled in the last decade, according to a report.

    The number of new episodes of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) among young people under 20 across England, Wales and Northern Ireland rose from 669,291 to 1,332,910 between 1991 and 2001.

    Ah, Socialism

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_907368.html?menu=news.topheadlines

  169. 169
    B.C., Imperial Torturer? growls and barks:

    OT- Tampa Bay Devil Rays lead the American League East! (Another pig just flew by the Imperial Dungeon Game Room?. At least until they play the 2nd game of the season. :P )

    BTW, did someone have rotten saur kraut, boiled eggs, beer sausage, baked beans, sardines and XXX tequila last night? Because it sure smells like Michael Moore-on’s fetid, boil-covered, femunda-encrusted taint in here.

  170. 170
    LC Christopher growls and barks:

    could those be the Winds of Change Mr. Torturer, Sir?

  171. 171
    The Bishop of Port Matilda growls and barks:

    Micheal Moore? Let us hope not noble torturer. I don’t have any firearms capable of bringing down a wildebeast of that size! (Brings to mind the image of that exploding whale in Taipei last month!)

  172. 172
    Noel growls and barks:

    Churchill supported a ‘United States of Europe’, but not a ‘Union of European Socialist Republics’. He knew Bolshevik when he smelled it.

    P.J. O’Rourke:

    “Marxism is a perfect example of the chimeras that fueled the sixties…the wildest hippie and the sternest member of the Politburo shared the same daydream, the daydream that underlies all Marxism: that a thing might be somehow worth other than what people will give for it. This is just not true. And any system that bases itself on such a will-o’-the-wisp is bound to fail. Communes don’t work. Cuba doesn’t either.”

    “Then there was communism’s weak-tea sister, socialism. Socialists maintained that we shouldn’t take all the money away from all the people since all the people don’t have money. We should take all the money away from only the people who make money. Then, when we run out of that, we could take more money from the people who…hey, wait! Where’d you people go? What do you mean you’re “tax exiles in Monaco?”"

    “We may say something like, “People have a right to food, a right to housing, and a right to a good job for decent pay.” But from an economist’s perspective, all those rights involve making finite goods meet infinite wants….the goods will come from redistribution. Try rephrasing the rights statement thus: “People have a right to my food, a right to my housing, and a right to my good job for my decent pay.”

    “There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as “caring” and “sensitive” because he wants to expand the government’s charitable programs is merely saying that he’s willing to try to do good with other people’s money. Well, who isn’t? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he’ll do good with his own money — if a gun is held to his head.”

    Socialism doesn’t work because it is contrary to human nature. Reagan used to say “A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.” Not just your money. Not just your property. But your freedom, your heritage, your family, indeed, your very life.

  173. 173
    Natasha G.L.O.R.&I.P.P.W. growls and barks:

    I still don’t understand why this insolent urchin tries to make demands about what people say here and how they say it. I hate to be the bearer of heavy painful clue here, but, little girl, the world will not adjust to fit your feelings just because you pout and don’t like it. People will not adjust to fit your feelings.

    You chose to come here. You chose to read what was written here. You chose to get offended here. Guess what? You are free not to be offended any more– by never coming back.

    This is private property–a concept most likely alien to you. This means, the owner makes the rules, not you, not I, not the other visitors. Don’t like it? Leave! That simple. Freedom of speech, dear child, does not mean someone else has to provide you with a pulpit, or to listen to you. It does not mean anyone has to agree with you or say something you like. What it does mean is that when you are on someone else’s property, their freedom of speech supersedes yours. Clear enough for you? I hope so. Now, I already broke my own rule about ignoring you. But maybe, just maybe, you are not as much of an ignorant, stupid, snot-nosed brat as you seemed at first. Just remember, child, college is a whole different ballgame.

    Also, for your own sake, lay off the touchy-feely “social” classes, and beef up on some Math and Science. These classes will teach you how to think, not what to think. And do yourself a favor, read Ayn Rand’s “Anthem”, “We The Living” and “The Fountainhead” for starters. I won’t even suggest “Atlas Shrugged”. Not until you actually begin working to support yourself, not just to earn some extra cash to buy trinkets or clothes. Look at these books as an alternative to the worldview you are indoctrinated with at school. And don’t worry, there is no harsh language there. Maybe just a large dose of Clue?, and a ton of food for thought.

  174. 174
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    “Euro/US Girl wants a second chance, eh?

    Well, let’s take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

    First of all losers, I would like to thank you all for playing into my publicity stunt as a novice blogger! HAHA! And, secondly, I am in no way marxist. I’m a firm beleiver in democracy and capitalism. However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    This is the first “insightful” response to Misha’s post by this little “charmer”. Now doesn’t that make you want to respond in a “nice” way? But wait, there’s more!

    And teh only reason I’m hanging around here is becasue its soooooo entertaining to annoy people at night when one’s homework is done. It’s better than TV!

    Sure makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn’t it? Apparently her homework doesn’t include spelling. Hold on! there’s more!

    Then why are so many of you calling me “him” I am quite obviously also A GIRL

    A mistake made at the top of the thread by 2 posters constitutes “so many of you”? oookay. Now she winds up with the grand finale before “packing it in” for the evening.

    By the way…….is this also a forum for psycho 20something mothers? hahaha

    I bet the G.L.O.R.s really felt the sisterly love with that little zinger.

    She did manage to get an admirer in the personage of one of our nastier, more ignorant trolls.

    The above trip down “memory lane” serves to put things in perspective should the LCs start to feel “bad” for being too “mean” to her.

    As for me, I’ll give her a break but she’s going to have to prove herself first as in “not showing her backside”. Hell, If I could give “HomeofTheNaive” a break, this will be no problem.

  175. 175
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Hey,

    I wanted to let you all know that Spatula and I are having a wonderful time (flame war) over at Matt M’s.

    Just saying s’all! :)

  176. 176
    LC Omega growls and barks:

    Sheesh. I’m a g-d damn 16 year old and I even I’M not as dense as the EUroweenie.

    I believed in all that crap about communism, until I read Atlas Shrugged (on my own). If I were the POTUS, i’d make reading that book MANDATORY for all school children.

    Also, for your suggestion that I “volunteer at an inner-city school…”

    http://www.moynihaninstitute.org

  177. 177
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    To tell you the truth, I half expect another little girl “NYAH, NYAH, NYAH, GOT YOU AGAIN” type post coming up. (rolls eyes)

  178. 178
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Flame war at Matt M.’s? BOOYEAH! I AM THERE!

  179. 179
    Sandy P. growls and barks:

    Eurogirl, somewhere in the deep, dark recesses of this blog is Misha’s background.

    I seem to recall the phrase, “redder and redder” when I read it.

    You and he have much more in common than you think.

    Aren’t you at all curious about the journey of a Maoist foreigner turning into a gun-toting naturalized Texan?

    His journey started about your age, too. And he’s very, very smart, teaching himself to read at age 5 and his first foreign language about the age of 8, wasn’t it, Misha?

    Also hunt around Steven den Beste’s site for Americans by birth and Americans born in a different country, not the same circumstances as Misha, but also an interesting read.

    Maybe you were meant to be European? But somehow, that 2×4 will come up and hit you one day, the cobwebs will be gone and you will understand what we’ve been trying to say.

    Deep down inside, your Jacksonian core will come out. Whether you like it or not, you will have to decide which of your inalienable and ennumerated rights you will be willing to fight for.

    Pay attention to your history and the history of The Barbary Pirates, it’s the contrast between our continents in a nutshell. It’s not the last 50 years, it’s how they’ve handled things for centuries.

  180. 180
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Euro girl==

    We started out being very nice to you, and you know it. Misha even gave you a very well thought out answer, that was pretty cool.

    But then you state this-

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger!

    What did you expect? I don’t know how you’ve been brought up young lady, or if anyone has ever told you this, but actions and WORDS have consequences. You get as good as you give.

    And spare US the lecture on what we should be doing with our time. Hopefully you treat your adult relatives a helluva lot better than you’ve treated us. Maybe they’ve just allowed you to get away with it, but it’s not like that in the REAL world. Don’t presume that we’re all of bunch of selfish fat cats. My commenting here is the ONLY time I have to myself most of the week, between working 2 jobs (1 working from home) and raising a child and maintaining a good marriage.

    Somethings hopefully you will understand one day.

  181. 181
    serenity growls and barks:

    I have sat back in silence and watched this little snot run her mouth for the past couple of days.

    I’m beginning to think she’s bi-polar.

    Nonetheless, I get really sick and tired of people excusing piss poor behavior on age. There is absolutly NO excuse for behaving like a little smart assed brat ESPECIALLY at the age of 17.

    Maybe 17 was a long time ago for some, maybe some of you were a little naive, a little green and little mischevious at that age but that does not give this little snit a pass on her disgusting behavior.

    You know damn good and well how to behave yourself and show manners EU girl and if you WANT respect, you damn well are going to have to earn it.

    Keep running your mouth and then darting off giggling. Do that in the real world and watch someone lose their patience and take care to ensure they close that mouth for a long time. And since you more than likely have comprehension issues, let me assure you, I’M not the one who’s going to waste my time doing that. You’re going to smart mouth someone out there and they are NOT going to put up with it, they are not going to think it’s funny, they are not going to think it’s cute and they are not going to care if you are just some little bratty assed 17 year old.

    Keep runnin’ that mouth…when it happens…remember you were warned.

    You are 17 years old. It is time to grow up and stop acting like a 6 year old who just wet her pants on the playground in front of the entire school.

    You think you’re clever. You think you know how to maniuplate this crowd. Let me tell you something little missy, you are not fooling me for a second.

  182. 182
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    Consider all the attention a form of concern for you Eurogirly. I’ve never seen the LC’s, IB’s, and GLOR’s take this much time and effort to keep slapping down a troll, no matter how much work s/he put into trolling. I am utterly boggled that they would keep at it for what is so obviously an overgrown [i]child[/i].

    “For” not “to.” I can only assume that it is an attempt to save you from yourself while you’re still possibly young enough to learn how to think for yourself.

    Note that all the people telling you to do this or that (aside from “sit down” “grow up” and “shut up”) are telling you [i]go read x[/i]. Did the people who filled your head with all this mush advise you to read a wide range of political theory?

    Or did they tell you to start meaningless narcicistic blogs “to develop your true self and promote peace and love!”

    “Ooooooh, reading hard. Thinking hard. Me go blog now.”

    Well, good luck.

  183. 183
    ubu growls and barks:

    Oops. My post above.

  184. 184
    Special Ed growls and barks:

    Well, I was away for a couple of days, but I decided to check back in he-

    What’s that smell?

  185. 185
    Canadian guy growls and barks:

    “I will take the highground and not resort to insult hurling as was done to me”

    “I was brought up… to treat others as I would like to be treated”

    Listen Eu/American girl. Don’t you see your hypocrisy? Don’t get all huffy just because some have insulted you here. Your first sentence called us losers. Your third sentence called us gullible and smallminded. If you were a “respectful daughter”, you wouldn’t describe your elders in that way.

    “Please don’t assume you know my story.”

    Fine. If you don’t assume you know our stories.

    “People on sites like Instapundit simply state their views and back them up with evidence.”

    Instapundit is a great site. Although Emperor Darth is as subtle as getting whacked on the head by a 2X4, he does back up his views with evidence. What part of what he says do you disagree with? What part of the European history do you think he is wrong about? If you didn’t know, he is originally from Europe. Not only is all the evidence on his side, but he has the life experience of actually living there and is HONEST ENOUGH (which most Euros aren’t) to admit that it is a failure compared to here. It is the arrogance of most of the Euros that likely irritates the Emperor. Did you really think that you, a 17 y/o, could outsmart us? I commend you for trying to learn, but don’t think you can outsmart your elders (well most of the them anyway) – who have life experience. You have never even tried to rebut his post about your email.

    I saw something once that was similar to the Winston Churchill quote above. I’m paraphrasing, but it was something like..”The reason why most conservatives are older is because we are all born stupid, but we acquire knowledge as we get older.”

  186. 186
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    If I ever post here again, I will be doing so in a mature fashion and I hope your responses to me will be mature also.

    You’ve got a deal, as far as I’m concerned. Also, as I have already pointed out, I DO believe that some of the slurs here were over the top, although I certainly understand what brought them on.

    Now, if you want to debate, you’re more than welcome here. And finally: You’re perfectly entitled to give as good as you take, so don’t feel that you have to hold back if you feel insulted.

    Same rules for everyone around here.

  187. 187
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    His journey started about your age, too. And he’s very, very smart, teaching himself to read at age 5 and his first foreign language about the age of 8, wasn’t it, Misha?

    Hey, keep that up and I’m going to get a big head, Sandy :)

    You’re correct, though. I also started working on my second language (German) around 10 or so, which actually isn’t all that uncommon for kids from my part of the world, and started on the third (Russian) at 12 because I was bored.

    Whether that makes me “smart” or not is still open to debate, at least in my opinion. I’ve met a lot of people with a wide area of knowledge that I wouldn’t call smart, but thanks anyways, you’re very kind.

    “Smart”, in my humble opinion, isn’t measured simply by how much knowledge you’re capable of absorbing and retaining (although it certainly helps), but whether or not you’re capable of applying it in a practical manner.

    For one thing, all of this book learning didn’t keep me from becoming a socialist Idiotarian initially :)

    Oh, and EU Girl: One final point. The others here have quite correctly pointed out that you don’t exactly have much of a claim to the high ground when it comes to who insulted who, so please quit whimpering about that, you’re not fooling anyone.

    You started it.

    However, you also offered to end it, and I respect that, so again: You’ve got yourself a deal. Come back anytime.

  188. 188
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    My first post was about hatred of Europeans, and I got nasty replies. Go back and check if you don’t beleive me.

  189. 189
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    “You have never even tried to rebut his post about your email.”

    What email? I never emailed any of you. I’ve only posted comments here.

  190. 190
    Walter Wallis growls and barks:

    Did I miss something?

  191. 191
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Hey 17 year old!

    This blog is rated “R”, you know. ;)

    That was my first post to you. Now explain to me how that was nasty. (after your first post)

  192. 192
    L.C. Serenity, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    There is hope for our young friend here, Misha

    Well done, sire. Gently but firmly,

    On that day, mourn for the innocent child’s passing just a moment and then embrace the adult who emerges in his place.

    That was oddly touching. I won’t add anything to Misha’s remarks: he did a good job responding to this youngster and was appropriately gentle.

    And then yours, EuroGirl:

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger! HAHA! And secondly, I am in no way marxist, I am a firm beleiver in Democracy and capitalism. However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    Now. Who was the nasty little thing?

  193. 193
    L.C. Serenity, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    If you’re referring to the actual thread where you posted, you have GOT to be kidding me.

    You posted, someone pointed out that you posted more than once…sure they mocked that…if you read the little italics from “M” that was Misha saying go easy…it’s a mistake not intentional.

    The debate began.

    You came back with “HA Ha HA” and “Duh” and “Later angry people”.

    Yah. That’s a fantastic way to win hearts there, EuGirl.

    If you are going to run off crying because all of your points were obliterated with facts, then why did you continue to come here?

    If you don’t have the thick skin for debate, then that’s fine but don’t you even try and turn this around that everyone ganged up on you…the big, bad meanies of the VRWC.

    Your attitude has been less than stellar from the beginning so don’t even try it.

  194. 194
    LC ms heather,G.L.O.R., trollhuntress ? growls and barks:

    Yep Ser,

    She’s gonna be the typical LLL moonbat. Now she’s trying to portray herself as a “victim”.

    lol.

  195. 195
    L.C. debbiej G.L.O.R growls and barks:

    My first post was about hatred of Europeans, and I got nasty replies. Go back and check if you don’t beleive me.

    Seeing how much the EU’s spit on us and express their complete distaste for the United States, why in the world do you think we do not have the right to feel the same way? They would love nothing more than to see the entire US blown to hell and back. We stand in their way of trying to put the entire world under the suffocating thumb of Socialism and Communism. We give more money to other countries to keep them afloat, send medical help when it is needed, military forces when they scream for it, and technology when asked. We have done NOTHING to deserve the hatred we are recieving. So don’t be suprised if you get your butt handed to you when you try to make us out to be neanderthals.

  196. 196
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    My first post was about hatred of Europeans, and I got nasty replies. Go back and check if you don’t beleive me.

    Your first post in this section started out, and I quote:

    First of all losers, I would like to thank all of you for playing into the publicity stunt of a novice blogger! HAHA! And secondly, I am in no way marxist, I am a firm beleiver in Democracy and capitalism. However, I am not as small minded (or evidently as gullible) as all of you guys!

    You received “nasty replies” because you were nasty to us first.  Now, do I need to clarify that further to you?  Because I’ll be happy to, should that need exist.

    Ser’s right.  You ain’t fooling anyone.  Until you can drop the condescending tone, sit down and shut up.

  197. 197
    Mongrul growls and barks:

    “Socialism doesn’t work because it is contrary to human nature. Reagan used to say “A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.” Not just your money. Not just your property. But your freedom, your heritage, your family, indeed, your very life.”

    Sorry for the long quote from Noel, but the truth of this statement stuck out after an hour of plowing through this thread. Many great points have been made, but ultimately, it boils down to this – Liberals dream about what could be in a perfect world filled with benevolent leaders, conservatives take lessons from history and try not to repeat the errors of the past. We know the EU model will fail because we?ve watched totalitarian governments fail over and over again. There is nothing new here, that?s the problem. Socialism is mini-Communism, it will lead to disaster (170+ million dead and counting) for those who succumb to it as it always has in the past. Freedom for the governed is what drives a country to greatness (USA anyone??), not bureaucratic control of the masses. One of the best lessons I learned in college was in economics (boiling it down here) everyone, looking after their OWN self interest, benefits everyone!! (For the tinhat crowd)? I hire you to do a job for ME?YOU do the job WELL and get PAID, you can hire (or buy) what YOU want?we BOTH benefit?simple enough?? It works?period.
    If governments remove the motivation to promote self-interest, everyone becomes vodka swilling drunks, not willing to produce, not willing to help anyone, not willing to even TRY to succeed. (Soviet Union case in point!) On that note, it?s time for bed!!

  198. 198
    L.C. debbiej G.L.O.R growls and barks:

    If governments remove the motivation to promote self-interest, everyone becomes vodka swilling drunks, not willing to produce, not willing to help anyone, not willing to even TRY to succeed. (Soviet Union case in point!)

    Reminds me of something that I’ve heard that Russian workers were fond of saying. “As long as they pretend to pay us we will pretend to work.” So much for EUtopia.

  199. 199
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    What part of the European history do you think he is wrong about?

    Almost all of it?

    If you didn’t know, he is originally from Europe.

    So fuckin’ what? That don’t mean a damn thing. Misha is a JEW. Jews are not “from” anywhere, and they don’t “go” anywhere. They are not really “citizens” of any country except maybe Israel. They are only loyal to their own kind, to the Jews, they are not loyal to their host nations, and they usually despise them. Of course Misha the Jew despised Denmark. Jews typically don’t like whatever non-Jewish country they happen to be “citizens” of at the time.

    Not only is all the evidence on his side, but he has the life experience of actually living there and is HONEST ENOUGH (which most Euros aren’t) to admit that it is a failure compared to here.

    Actually, there was little factual material in his post, as usual. We don’t fuckin care where this Misha pig used to live, or lives now, or is gonna live in the future. That don’t mean crap. I live in the USA, I was born here, and will probably die here. So I suppose that means my opinion of the US is correct, eh? LOL! You clowns wanna stand by that? That latest Rottie theorem: “Anyone who used to live in some place is automatically correct about the place, especially if they hated the place and left long ago! LMAO! You guys want to stand by that one? How do you know that only the “Mr. Chosen” Misha has an “honest” opinion about Europe and all the rest of the Europeans are
    “dishonest” about it? LOL. Prove it. The Euros I have met seem to have quite a nice take on their continent. Believe it or ignorami, US-style dickwad jingoism, in such abundance on this site, is actually rather rare in Europe, with the exception of Britain, which is the most fascist, imperialist, Zionist, pro-US country in Europe. See the connection? You wanna cite some actual FIGURES showing what a “failure” Big Bad Europe is? LOL, good luck. Those nations are highly prosperous and contrary to your lies, have fairly decent militaries. They are very healthy and have one of the highest standards of living on Earth. The UN consistently ranks European countries as highest on Earth on the social development scale. They live longer than we do, are healthier, have less poverty and more social solidarity. Their democracies are state of the art and put the fascist joke here in the US to shame. Womens rights are the highest on Earth, and as rights of immigrants and asylum policies.

    It is the arrogance of most of the Euros that likely irritates the Emperor.

    Is that all you clowns do is project project project project. YOU are the arrogant ones. The Euros are not arrogant people. THEY dislike YOU for YOUR arrogance. So, of course, that good twisted rightwingers, you project your own unacknowledged flaws onto the hated enemy, who tends to lack those flaws. Psychology 100.

    Did you really think that you, a 17 y/o, could outsmart us?

    Hell a fucking gopher could “outsmart” most of you characters. You don’t have any worthwhile arguments about anything, you are intellectually dishonest ideologues, your theories are worthless, and every other thing you say is a lie! LOL, and who is supposed to be frightened of you now. You are very clever, very smart, and very good and insults and shit-talking, but you are intellectual losers, always and forever. Quoting Ayn “Stupid Bitch” Rand pretty much gives it away right there. I cannot think of a “philosopher” who is more disrespected in intellectual circles than this lightweight.

    I commend you for trying to learn, but don’t think you can outsmart your elders (well most of the them anyway) – who have life experience.

    Shit, even I won’t stoop that low. Yadda yadda yadda. We’ve been 17 but you have never been 30, or 35, or 40, or however old you grownup children are now. So what? WTF have you learned in your precious “life experience”? You have the world outlook and morals of your average tiger in the jungle. Big deal. You grew up, learned all the wrong lessons, and turned into rightwing shits, so now a 17 yr old girl with at least a trace of moral vision has no right to question you “wise elders”. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. By those rights, all you Rottie kiddies under 45 have no questioning MY “wise, learned, lessons of life”.

    You have never even tried to rebut his post about your email.

    Why bother “rebutting” any of Misha the Dirty Lying Zionist Jew Pig’s “charges” about anything. The guy is simply a master propagandist. He would have made Goebbels proud. Misha’s diatribes are about as objective as Der Strumer, or Pravda, or People’s Daily or any state propaganda bullshit rag ever written. He’s not a writer, he’s a journalistic hitman. He specializes in logical fallacy, appeal to emotion, demonizing the enemy, character assasination, 24-7 lies and crap, and every trick and game known to mankind.

    I saw something once that was similar to the Winston Churchill quote above. I’m paraphrasing, but it was something like..”The reason why most conservatives are older is because we are all born stupid, but we acquire knowledge as we get older.”

    Yeh, that’s it, quote Churchill, are ultrarightwing British fascist, an imperialist mass-murdering, colonizing, enslaving, genocidal, poison-gas spraying piece of militarist shit. Why not quote Generalissimo Franco, or Mussolini, or Ivan the Terrible, or Hulagu, or Genghis Khan, or Caesar. Churchill the worthless DOG is in the same rank.

  200. 200
    B.C., Imperial Torturer? growls and barks:

    Dong-chewer, do you wear your SS Halloween costume to school?

    Just FYI, Misha’s not Jewish. He, along with the rest of the sane people here (Which obviously excludes you.) just won’t sit by and watch as you and your Splodeydopin’ Worshipers of the Pedophile Profit try to re-create Hitler’s little Solution?.

    Now, go fuck your sister some more. The goat’s been complaining that you’re spending too much time tag-team buggering your mother with the pig, lately.

  201. 201
    Bishop of PM growls and barks:

    Wow Dong, don’t let your delusions of adequacy run away with you, take your meds. Feel better now? Good.

    Om a way I agree with you Dong. It would be nice to the health care apparatus of the Former Soviet Union. Then you would be drooling in some grey room while the State slowly poisened you with their “treatments”.

    Now, before you start to foam at the mouth again, I’ll help you out a little: No, I’m not a Jew. Nor am I a Nazi or fascist. You, on the other hand, are a self proclaimed Marxist. That means that you are either ignorant, mentally ill, or barring the first two choices; an enemy of all free people.

    Even if you do fall into the later category, I’m not worried. You see, the free world has crushed the Nazis and fascists once. It has faced down the communists as well. The free world can do both again, at will.

    So keep spouting your filth; it’s your right, just as it is the right of Nazi scum to spew theirs. Just remember that if either of you cross the legal line in the sand, we’ll be there. And I hope I draw that detail.

  202. 202
    i_kno_the_girl growls and barks:

    I know the 17-year-old girl, and I am embarrassed and ashamed. She has a hubris that will come crashing down on her.

  203. 203
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Dong Fan Club/F**kIsrael is back to exhibit his/its “intellect”. Looks like the little chimp finally figured out that evil zionist “block quote” thingie.

    All that typing and effort with nothing but a steaming pile of shit to show for it.

    In my opinion, such massive displays of ignorance and anti-semitism just isn’t “kosher”. *guffaw*

    From the content of his/its posts, someone must have gotten overzealous and circumcised his/its brain. That would explain why he/it is such a dick.

  204. 204
    Bucky Katt growls and barks:

    She’s gonna be the typical LLL moonbat. Now she’s trying to portray herself as a “victim”.

    Oh heck..and I thought she was just channelling
    Barney or Rodney King! ;)

  205. 205
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    I live in the USA, I was born here, and will probably die here.

    That’s likely true, Long Duk Dong – provided you ever grow some ball and spew your bullshit to our faces, dumb fuck.

  206. 206
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    and who is supposed to be frightened of you now.

    Well, you  seem to be reeeeeeal brave back there behind your mommy’s fat ass, eh, Duk Dong?  Don’t suppose you’d like to come get in my  face with your bullshit, would you, chickenshit?

  207. 207
    Emperor Misha I growls and barks:

    Misha is a JEW.

    Flattery will get you nowhere, although I DO appreciate that you think I’m worthy of the honor of being one of the Tribe.

    I can’t say I’ve earned such praise, but I like it. A LOT.

    Now, do you have anything factual to say?

    Not that your delusional ranting is completely devoid of amusing qualities, but I’ve seen your neo-nazi kind come and go so many times that it’s beginning to get a little bit old.

  208. 208
    the_redfalcon growls and barks:

    lol. I can just see dong/f#ckisreal now. he probably spent last night out in the back yard, all by himself, goose stepping around a small pile of burning books in his family bbq grill and wearing some reproduction ss uniform so that he could channel the spirits of the nuremburg rally while wagner blared from his portable CD player. i bet the neighbors were entertained.

    AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY!

  209. 209
    MonkeyPants growls and barks:

    My goodness, it isn’t real often you get to stare at the abyss, is it?

    Pure, gibbering insanity is not a pretty sight.

    Get some help, you poor creature.

  210. 210
    Troll King growls and barks:

    Why bother “rebutting” any of Misha the Dirty Lying Zionist Jew Pig’s “charges” about anything.

    I don’t believe that emission. Do any Americans actually think like this? Say this out loud? Consider yourself punched in the face, FuckFaceFan.

    Anyone who said that in my presence would get a palm to the adam’s apple. Then I’d call the police, and probably, the coroner.

  211. 211
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    Long Duk Dong?????

    Oh, no, no, no… short. Extremely short. As in envious of an clam’s pseudo pod short. As in, on brains, morals, character, courage, looks, friends, life short.

    Scum like this make the world slow down.

  212. 212
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    Anyone who said that in my presence would get a palm to the adam’s apple.

    Not it I was there, Troll King. Not unless you felt the need to smack a thing with its cranial fecal matter oozing from a 45 caliber hole in its sloping beetle brow.

  213. 213
    LC Jon , Imperial Hunter growls and barks:

    if dammit, if. Not “it.”

    And, Troll King, if you ever do have the honor to dispatch one such as the henceforth unnamed thing above, don’t call the police. They are overworked and underpaid as it is. You don’t want to bother them with arresting and booking you, testifying at your various inquests, hearings and trials, and generally precipitating the worst several years of your life.

    Not when you could be safe at home, toasting the fact that one less waste of air and space is returning badly used molecules to the processes of transformation!

  214. 214
    N. O'Brain growls and barks:

    Well, that was a pleasant diversion!

    Back on track:

    the thought I had was to put together a list of reading material to pass on to Wonder Grrrrllll.

    What influenced you to turn away from the dark side?

    My most obvious choice would be

    The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress and Starship Trooper by Robert A. Heinlein. Anything by Heinlein for that matter.

    Then Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged.

    Any other recomendations?

    N. O’Brain
    Imperial Minister of Useless Knowledge

  215. 215
    Anonymous growls and barks:

    [quote]I live in the USA, I was born here, and [B]will probably die here.[/B] [/quote]

    Well don’t delay that for our sake, asshat.

  216. 216
    LC NeilV growls and barks:

    Good list No,
    I dont think the little whelp will make it thru Atlas Shrugged.
    Too many words not enough pictures.
    And as for Dong Breath and his pack of master debaters.
    Bugger your selves you anti semtic racist rat bastards.
    We had to clean the nest before and wont hesitate again.
    Now go back to your little hole and play another round of Pocket pool.
    Cheers from Sunny Tampa Bay

  217. 217
    MAJ Joseph Knecht, LC, IMC growls and barks:

    Sire,

    We have nothing to fear from the EU. They will screw-up foreign affairs badly and look to us for help. Then we can collectivley “Pimp Slap” the EU. I can’t wait! The following is my favorite UPI Article of all time. It is an awesome read:

    http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=20021112-052727-4646r

    That’s the Diplomatic Instrument of Power. Informationally, they’ll lose huge credibility points on the international market as a result of their incompetence. Consequently everyone else will turn to the US. Militarily, they are not even near-peer competitors. They’re about 50 years away from being able to fight us…and that’s if we don’t make any improvements ot our current structure and wepons systems. Economically, the EU Parliament will legislate/regulate every so tightly, they will cost themselves out of work.

    Hehehhe!

    What the US needs to do is enact laws which protect our businesses abroad and slaps huge penalties and fins on countries that hold the Microsofts of the world as economic hostages.

    V/R

  218. 218
    LCVeeshir growls and barks:

    Thanks for the link MAJ, it was a beauty to read.

  219. 219
    LC Mikenchi growls and barks:

    MAJ Joe: Duly noted, duly saved.
    Sweet.

  220. 220
    Rick Tengdin growls and barks:

    I’d recommend Animal Farm and The Dispossed by Ursula K. LeGuin.

    In the second book there is a sequence where the main character, Shevek, is a small child and was sitting peacefully in the sun at the day care center. A larger child pushed him away and plopped down in the warm spot. Of course, Shevek complained with ‘mine sun’ and tried to get his spot back. The result? The bully was allowed to remain and Shevek is reprimanded for being possessive.

    The governmental system for the planet was “an experiment in nonauthoritarian communism”.

    A story yes, but the same old results: the strong steal from the weak and are protected by the system……

  221. 221
    MAJ Joseph Knecht, LC, IMC growls and barks:

    Rick,

    A story yes, but the same old results: the strong steal from the weak and are protected by the system……

    Interesting Post. I guess I’m trying to determine if you are:

    A. Advocating “Might Makes Right”

    or

    B. A sniveling candy-ass Kreober-lover from Bezerkley.

    Either way, feel safe in knowing that the U.S. Military is the might that the world respects when diplomacy fails. Don’t worry about Shevek. I’ll be there beret and all to kick that bully’s ass and knock him back out of the sunlight so Shevek can resume his rightful place.

    When you think about it, Shevek is an apt analogy for the Iraqi people, 95% of whom thank me and my “Comerades” daily.

    V/R

  222. 222
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    A story yes, but the same old results: the strong steal from the weak and are protected by the system……

    LMFAO!!!!! That’s precisely what the Right stands for of course, always and forever, the law of the jungle, economic Darwinism, and the end result is always some sort of fascist-like oligarchic rule, typically hostile to any form of popular democracy. Are you projecting again? Man, you guys are too much. I have to get a good Jewish shrink in here to analyze you folks, you are so full of contradictions, obvious defenses, denials, projections, reaction formations, undoing, compensation, egotism run amok, I don’t know where to begin. Hey Misha, you have connections to the Tribe. You know any good Jewish shrinks who could come in here and analyze your posters? One that doesn’t charge too much? No wait. Nix that. They ALL charge too much. LOL!

    In the second book there is a sequence where the main character, Shevek,

    LMAO…..now the RIGHT….suspense……opposed to……suspence……BULLYING?! But that is rightwing philosophy in a nutshell you silly ppl? Ee gads. The mental defenses you have set up to defend this philosophy of yours look like the damn Maginot Line. I love Adam Yoshida. He is a rightwing asshole and proudly admits it. He lays out the rightwing line in all its brazen, naked, brutal reality. He throws you right in the jungle with the lions and tigers and sits back and laughs. Sure his philosophy sucks, but at least he’s honest. The SNAKE-OIL salesman the Rottie are rather annoying. You’re nothing but a bunch of conartists in here.

  223. 223
    Rick Tengdin growls and barks:

    How about:

    C. None of the above??????

    My point was the culture considered ‘egoizing’ far more blameworthly than strong-arm theft……

    Any parallels with Political Correctness come to mind? How about the college in Oregon that wants to ban Red Cross blood drives because the FDA’s policy of banning active homosexuals from donating is illegal discrimination?

    As far as kicking bullies in the face? I spent the summer of 1980 under the Indian Ocean on the USS Omaha praying we could cut loose for a mornings work to sink the Iranian navy…..

  224. 224
    MAJ Joseph Knecht, LC, IMC growls and barks:

    Rick,

    I have misinterpreted your intent. Apologies.

    Now, to the Donger.

    If you had your way, Saddam would still be in power making millions of Sheveks sit in the dark (of a prison cell or grave perhaps).

    Law of the jungle, Economic Darwinism? Please, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Not strangele, I think you just proved Rick’s point.

    V/R

  225. 225
    Rick Tengdin growls and barks:

    Major, apology accepted. When I re-read my post I wasn’t as clear as I could have been.

  226. 226
    B.C., Imperial Torturer? growls and barks:

    As far as kicking bullies in the face? I spent the summer of 1980 under the Indian Ocean on the USS Omaha praying we could cut loose for a mornings work to sink the Iranian navy…..

    You mean both garbage scows? ;P

  227. 227
    Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant growls and barks:

    You’re nothing but a bunch of conartists in here.

    Spoken like a cowardly needledick.

    Come say that to my face, you motherfucking son-of-a-bitch.

  228. 228
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    Just FYI, Misha’s not Jewish.

    I do not give a damn what he is. He is utterly obsessed with his pro-Israel, pro-IDF POV to the point of extreme suspicion (and he has no Christian fundamentalist excuse), he knows Hebrew well, he knows Yiddish, he acts like he knows Israel – the culture, society, geography, terrain, the Israeli military…like the back of his hand, he is always saying “Am Israel Chai” (usually only Jews say that), Misha is often an East European (often Russian) Jewish first name (for Michael), he refers to Jews as The Tribe (usually only Jews do that) and the biggest giveaway of all: he says G_d instead of God. Jews and Jews only, and no other humans at all, unless they pretend to be Jews, refuse to write out God’s name. Anyway, that was enough for me. Plus, I notice he never explicitly denied being Jewish.

    I really do not care. If he’s not, fine, np. He is then a Gentile Zionist ass, so it really doesn’t matter. There are Jewish Zionists and Gentile Zionists, Gentile Zionists are some of the worst Zionists of all. It’s really Zionism, not Jews that is the problem. If he is not Jewish, not a problem, let’s just have him come right out and deny it. If he’s not Jewish, WTF doesn’t he write out God for Chrissake? That is really weird. I cannot imagine why any Gentile on Earth would write God as G_d.

  229. 229
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    He, along with the rest of the sane people here (Which obviously excludes you.) just won’t sit by and watch as you and your Splodeydopin’ Worshipers of the Pedophile Profit try to re-create Hitler’s little Solution?.

    First, I am not a Muslim. I have some major problems with Islam, although I do like the Alevi in Turkey. :) Second, I have no agenda as far as “killing all the Jews” like Hitler did. However, I am absolutely committed to the total obliteration of the Zionist entity from the face of the Earth. I think Israel needs to be attacked, militarily, economically, psychologically. It needs to be defeated, to be regime-changed, it needs to go. In WWII, when the Allies committed to getting rid of the Axis reactionary aggressive imperialists, were we accused of “wanting to exterminate every German, Italian and Japanese on Earth”? Ok. Now why is that those of us who are committed to the same destruction of the Zionist entity are accused of “wanting to exterminate every Jew on Earth”.

    This fight is no different from our fight against the WW II Axis. The Zionist entity is part of the new Axis Powers – the Big Satan (and its British poodle) and the Little Satan, the Anglo-Zionist imerialist world dictatorship. They gotta go, they gotta go.

    Just FYI, I consider Al Qaeda and similar Islamist dickwad lunatics to be in the same despicable category as the US, Britain and Israel. I think all those entities – the Anglo-Zionist world dictators and the Al Qaedist fascist whackos, to be equally reprehensible and contemptible. For instance, in Palestine, I support the PFLP of George Habash (Al-Hakim). I don’t much like Hamas. :(

  230. 230
    B.C., Imperial Torturer? growls and barks:

    NoDong, bring it on, fuckwad.

  231. 231
    MAJ Joseph Knecht, LC, IMC growls and barks:

    Dong…

    “Clap-Clap”

    Dong…..

    Where is my automobile?

    Dong, Grandpa’s talking to you!

    Where is my automobile?

    V/R 16 Candles

  232. 232
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Dong,

    I do not give a damn what he is. He is utterly obsessed with his pro-Israel, pro-IDF POV to the point of extreme suspicion

    He certainly seems to have some Jewish tendencies. I suspect he belongs to one of the Einsatz Groups, no?

    (and he has no Christian fundamentalist excuse)

    Oh, we have to have a valid excuse not to want to exterminate Jews now?

    he knows Hebrew well, he knows Yiddish, he acts like he knows Israel – the culture, society, geography, terrain, the Israeli military…like the back of his hand, he is always saying “Am Israel Chai” (usually only Jews say that), Misha is often an East European (often Russian) Jewish first name (for Michael), he refers to Jews as The Tribe (usually only Jews do that) and the biggest giveaway of all: he says G_d instead of God. Jews and Jews only, and no other humans at all, unless they pretend to be Jews, refuse to write out God’s name.

    G-d damn you’re a paranoid Nazi ass, aren’t you? Okay, Misha is due for a date with an Einsatzgruppen, maybe Himmler himself. He has all those “Jewish traits”.

    Anyway, that was enough for me. Plus, I notice he never explicitly denied being Jewish.

    Oh my gosh! A person who forgot to deny they’re Jewish at each and every opportunity!!! What is the world coming to!

    I really do not care. If he’s not, fine, np.

    Oh, but if he is Jewish, then certain measures will have to be taken? Planning to shoot all the Jews in the back of the head, or are you going to stick with the Xyclon B next time?

    He is then a Gentile Zionist ass, so it really doesn’t matter. There are Jewish Zionists and Gentile Zionists, Gentile Zionists are some of the worst Zionists of all.

    As Hitler said, the only thing worse than Jews were their supporters, and all must be eliminated.

    It’s really Zionism, not Jews that is the problem. If he is not Jewish, not a problem, let’s just have him come right out and deny it.

    When the pathetic Nazi punks are asking around, we make a point of saying we’re all Jewish, and then blowing their little brains out, if we can find any brains to hit, you pathetic little coward.

    If he’s not Jewish, WTF doesn’t he write out God for Chrissake? That is really weird. I cannot imagine why any Gentile on Earth would write God as G_d.

    To keep from offending anyone, perhaps? The same reason we sometimes write “Allah” instead of “satanic moon god”?

  233. 233
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Second, I have no agenda as far as “killing all the Jews” like Hitler did.

    Oh, you’ll spare a few? How nice.

    However, I am absolutely committed to the total obliteration of the Zionist entity from the face of the Earth.

    Ok. So you only want to exterminate 6.6 million Jews. Must suck to be a Nazi ass.

    I think Israel needs to be attacked, militarily, economically, psychologically. It needs to be defeated, to be regime-changed, it needs to go.

    Wouldn’t it be simpler just to blow your brains out so only one useless twit has to die instead of 6.6 million Jews, plus the 50 million people they’ll take with them this time? They don’t say “never again” without good reason.

    In WWII, when the Allies committed to getting rid of the Axis reactionary aggressive imperialists, were we accused of “wanting to exterminate every German, Italian and Japanese on Earth”?

    We also didn’t want to eliminate Germany and Japan from the face of the earth, either. It was just another war, like the ones that the west engaged in about every couple decades up to that point. You want to entirely obliterate a country.

    Ok. Now why is that those of us who are committed to the same destruction of the Zionist entity are accused of “wanting to exterminate every Jew on Earth”.

    Because you only want to exterminate half the Jews on earth?

    This fight is no different from our fight against the WW II Axis.

    Exactly. Idiot Nazis losers like you want to exterminate Jews, and we’re committed to turning you into body parts.

    The Zionist entity is part of the new Axis Powers – the Big Satan (and its British poodle) and the Little Satan, the Anglo-Zionist imerialist world dictatorship. They gotta go, they gotta go.

    Well thanks for saying that the Jews and Anglo-American capitalists have to die. You could’ve just posted a link to one of Hitler’s or Goering’s speeches and saved all the bandwidth. You might take a tip from Goering and poison yourself last.

  234. 234
    LC Defense Guy growls and barks:

    Dong is beyond any attempt at salvation. Arguing with him is pointless, as his hatred is so clearly intractable.

    There is only one thing that can be done to him and his kind, bring him to heel.

    Lock his message of hate in a box so that it can not infect anyone else.

    His ass belongs to us. Keep spewing that hate punk, see if it don’t bite you in the ass.

  235. 235
    LC & IB Kate growls and barks:

    I’m sorry, I can’t stop giggling. I read “Dong’s” spiel and the image brought to mind is an 11 or 12 year old boy hurling invectives at the backs of the laughing popular kids who ignored him when choosing teams for afternoon kickball.

  236. 236
    Mongrul growls and barks:

    “24-7 lies and crap, and every trick and game known to mankind.”

    Really, that was a nice little spew asshole, since you’ve laid down the gauntlet, and accused Misha of being a Jooooooo, and a lying Joooooooo at that, (with crap and all of man kinds? tricks) Please edjumacate us dumb hick Joooooo loving lemmings and name ONE FUCKING LIE Misha has ever told on this site. Wait, you said ?lies??name at least TWO FUCKING lies, and make em good. I want the red meat, this is your chance to shine sweet cheeks, lets get down to the meat and potatoes!! You want to shoot your mouth off, PROVE IT!!

  237. 237
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    We also didn’t want to eliminate Germany and Japan from the face of the earth, either. It was just another war, like the ones that the west engaged in about every couple decades up to that point. You want to entirely obliterate a country.

    Sir, my desire is the same. In WWII, we wished to wipe the Axis regimes, or states if you will, off the face of the Earth, to get rid of them, zero them out, end them, obliterate them. And so it was in fact done. That is all I would wish for the Zionist entity. I just want to get rid of the Zionist entity as a state, not necessarily all the humans who are living in it. After the Zionist entity is obliterated, hopefully a new state could arise, like post-apartheid South Africa, or postwar Italy, Germany, Japan. The problem is not all those 5.5 million Jewish people living in the entity (not necessarily anyway) but the problem is that they are entangled into the Zionist entity, just as the German people were entangled into the Nazi state, etc.

    Wouldn’t it be simpler just to blow your brains out so only one useless twit has to die instead of 6.6 million Jews….Ok. So you only want to exterminate 6.6 million Jews. Because you only want to exterminate half the Jews on earth?…. Idiot Nazis losers like you want to exterminate Jews….Well thanks for saying that the Jews and Anglo-American capitalists have to die…..Wouldn’t it be simpler just to blow your brains out so only one useless twit has to die instead of 6.6 million Jews, plus the 50 million people they’ll take with them this time?

    Sir, for the umpteenth time, I would only desire to get rid of the Zionist state, such as we have gotten rid of other states before, as the WWII examples we just gave. As it is not necessary to exterminate the people of a state to get rid of it, it should not necessary to exterminate the citizens of the Zionist entity to get rid of it. I don’t see why you keep saying this like some broken record, it is really weird.

  238. 238
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    Really, that was a nice little spew asshole, since you’ve laid down the gauntlet, and accused Misha of being a Jooooooo,

    Accused?! LOL, is it some kind of a crime or something? Wow, what an odd statement. Yeh he seems like he is. After you been around large #’s of them constantly, for hours on end, for months on end, you get to where you can practically spot one at 100 paces. Got it, padner?

    and a lying Joooooooo at that,

    LOL, most of em are, in the right circumstances. You know, before I spent a whole year dealing with Jews day in day out all day long (100′s by end of the year, I never would have said it. I was the biggest Jew-lovin fool around. I came away from my mass immersion in Jewry thinking sadly that all the negative stereotypes are sadly a bit true. :(

    (with crap and all of man kinds? tricks)

    Yeh, that too. I came away from that experience thinking those folks are the ultimate propagandists in the whole world, especially about certain “sensitive subjects”. Masters of verbal bullshitting, mindgames, logical fallacies, swaying people to your argument (Maybe why so many Jewish lawyers?

    Please edjumacate us dumb hick Joooooo loving lemmings and name ONE FUCKING LIE Misha has ever told on this site. Wait, you said ?lies??name at least TWO FUCKING lies, and make em good.

    Hmmm, hows about this article right here. Where do I start? The guy is FOS. The shit he says ain’t true. OK, for starters:
    1. Europeans are envious of Americans (seen no evidence).
    2. Europe is failed economically (empirically provable as false).
    3. Europeans really hate each other’s guts and would start another world war in an instant. (Hardly any observer would agree with that one).
    More:
    4. Muslims worship a Moongod (really weird, apparently false statement)
    5. Overwhelming majority of Iraqis love the US Occupation and US troops (apparently not).
    6. If you let “socialists” get “anywhere near” power, the next thing you have is a Communist dictatorship (empirically false statement).
    7. Europe’s militaries are worthless for fighting any war anywhere (apparently false).
    8. Germany is about ready to leave the French alliance and go make an alliance with the US (LOL! News to me!)
    9. The EU is the Soviet Union minus gulags (LOL, hardly, please)
    10. He keeps saying the US is not afraid of the EU’s economy at all (Well, the evidence shows the rulers of this country are very worried about it, and regard it as a serious rival).
    11. He claims the notion that Europe will go totally broke and then start another world war is a major concern (to most humans, that is a very farfetched scenario).
    12. Mohammad was a pedophile (that would not be considered an honest assessment of his marriage to Aisha, unless you want to accuse all Semites of being pedophiles back then).
    And on and on and on and on. He’s not really a liar, he is just FOS mostly. What he says is not true.

  239. 239
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    I would only desire to get rid of the Zionist state

    TRANSLATION: Kill the jews by pushing them into the sea.

    Suddenly being “civil” won’t make your anti-semitic blatherings any more palatable.

    Here’s “Dong Fan Club” in a nutshell: I’m not anti-semitic, I just hate zionists. I don’t trust jews in general and I don’t feel comfortable with synogogues in my neighborhood.

  240. 240
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Dong Fan Club trying to point out what he considers are Misha’s “lies” condensed:

    “HAHAHA! They don’t sound true to me so they must be lies. Misha is just a conduit for zionist propaganda!”

    DFC, do you have any links to back up your refutations of Misha’s “lies”? After all, you’re the one who made the claim that he “lies”. It’s on you to provide proof.

    HINT: Spare us links like “jewsmustdie.org” and “americasucks.com“, etc.

    They have to be credible. (waits in anticipation)

  241. 241
    ubu growls and barks:

    EuGirl, if you’re still reading this thread, take a good long, hard look at Dong Fan Club. That is what a true hate-poster looks like.

    Utterly oblivious to facts, warped mentality, unable to see the illogic of their own positions, nor their long term consequences.

    “He’s a dirty Jew!” (Nope, he’s not.)
    “Well, he’s a dirty Jew-lover then!” (Nope, he bathes.)
    “Well he tells lies! (Can you point out any? Nope.)
    “The Jews have no right to live anywhere they can call their own!” (But the Palistinians do? So…. what’s your opinion on Kurds?)

    We proceed from finding facts to shaping opinions. Dong proceeds from opinions and can’t be bothered to find a fact to reshape. If you can’t see the difference between us “hateful people” and Dong, there is absolutely NO hope for you.

    Even if you remain utterly wedded to your foolish political ideas, I hope you’ve learned the what the true face of hatemongers looks like, as opposed to the face of those who disagree with you.

  242. 242
    ubu growls and barks:

    Ok, lets see about “Misha’s Lies.”

    1. Europeans are envious of Americans (seen no evidence).
    How many Europeans emigrate to the U.S.? How many Americans emigrate to Europe? Perhaps it’s an exaggeration to say ALL Euros envy us.

    2. Europe is failed economically (empirically provable as false).
    http://www01.imd.ch/documents/wcy/content/ranking.pdf Listing of the worlds most competitive economies. The winner is far and away, the USA. Second place? Australia. Third? Canada. Fourth? Malaysia! Germany is the highest ranking Euro country at #5, barely eaking out Taiwan. then France and the U.K. are next. Spain sneaks in at #9. After that, we’re below the 50% level (the U.S. is benchmark at 100%). Not another Euro country appears until Italy at #17. And Romaina sneaks in at #23, Turkey, Russia, & Poland at #25-27. Where are Belgium, Neatherlands, Denmark, Norway, Sweeden, Austria, Finland, Czech, Slovakia, & Switzerland? Your definition of “failed” may be different, but when only one of your team can make the top five, and only four can score half as well as the leader, you’re not exactly winning!

    3. Europeans really hate each other’s guts and would start another world war in an instant. (Hardly any observer would agree with that one).
    Define instant. From the long view (which Europeans are sooooo good at) the last 50 years of peace and stability are the anomoly. Basically, the Russian doctrine after WWII was to neutralize Germany by sitting on half of it, and the American doctrine was to sit on the other half and guard it against Russia. That balance is gone; we have other fish to fry and Europe is now free to resume playing its games. I fully expect there to be a non-Balkan Euro war within twenty to thirty years. Fifty, max.

    4. Muslims worship a Moongod (really weird, apparently false statement)
    Ok, I’m going to have to leave this one to someone else who is more of a middle east scholar. I have always assumed that he’s referencing pagan elements that entered the Muslim religion (Note the fire festivals in Iran). No biggie, Christian religion has a ton of them too. It’s an insult from the Emperor, not a statement of fact.

    5. Overwhelming majority of Iraqis love the US Occupation and US troops (apparently not).
    By the best possible independant media estimates, some where between 69% and 80% of the Iraqi people approve of the coalition and want it to stay up to five years. Fallujah obviously has other opinions. That 20-31% had to live somewhere, and it’s not surprising it would be Saddam’s home town and tribe.

    6. If you let “socialists” get “anywhere near” power, the next thing you have is a Communist dictatorship (empirically false statement).
    Well, damn. I may have to hand this one to you, simply because most Socialists who gained unfettered power were actually communists all along, and just using the Socialist label to fool their followers until they didn’t need them any more. Hey, wait a minute….

    7. Europe’s militaries are worthless for fighting any war anywhere (apparently false).
    BWAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAAHAA! Sorry, you can’t point to the “American poodle” to refute the Emperor. Face it: NOT ONE EUROPEAN POWER EXCEPT THE U.K. HAS ACTUALLY FOUGHT A WAR ON IT’S OWN IN FIFTY YEARS. Sorry, “peacekeeping” missions and kicking the snot out of ragtag third-world militia do not count. Name the last time your vaunted European militaries mobilized for any real military action (except the Falklands). Betcha I can….

    8. Germany is about ready to leave the French alliance and go make an alliance with the US (LOL! News to me!)
    Personally I believe it’s hopeful thinking. Some Germans are beginning to realize that sticking with France isn’t such a bright idea, but overall, they’re not in charge.

    9. The EU is the Soviet Union minus gulags (LOL, hardly, please)
    If the EU constitution and government are fully accepted, it will be well on the way, and how long until the gulags show up, then?. All economic, military, and foriegn policy will be dictated by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Brussels, Moscow, what’s the difference?

    10. He keeps saying the US is not afraid of the EU’s economy at all (Well, the evidence shows the rulers of this country are very worried about it, and regard it as a serious rival).
    Um, stop looking at the 1980′s data, Buckwheat. Back then everyone said the U.S. was going under to the German economic machine and the unstoppable Japanese. What happened? U.S. companies retooled and revamped their entire way of doing business to cut costs. Unhampered by goverment “job retention” or “economic fairness” policies, or– God forbid — the Kyoto treaty, the U.S competative edge was restored. The French mindset is that the American economic machine is out to bury them, and they have to cheat to compete. Some rival.

    11. He claims the notion that Europe will go totally broke and then start another world war is a major concern (to most humans, that is a very farfetched scenario).
    You’re right. Most humans aren’t smart enough to worry about it. It’s only a concern to the thinking ones. See my prediction above.

    12. Mohammad was a pedophile (that would not be considered an honest assessment of his marriage to Aisha, unless you want to accuse all Semites of being pedophiles back then). And on and on and on and on.
    Again, I will defer this question to those who know more history and religion.

    So… mimimal effort by one person, not an academic, not a member of some VRWC, not a minion of Karl Rove, not an “intellectual” — and ten of your 12 so-called “Misha lies” are refuted. Well, nine, since I stipulated that most people weren’t smart enough to think about the pending European war. Of course, that’s more a difference of opinion between you, me, and the Emperor, than a lie, since there’s no verifiable data on the subject. Can you not tell the difference, or …. did the infallible Dong lie?

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    George Turner growls and barks:

    Damn this boy is dense!

    Sir, my desire is the same. In WWII, we wished to wipe the Axis regimes, or states if you will, off the face of the Earth, to get rid of them, zero them out, end them, obliterate them.

    Buzzzz! Wrong! Italy still there? check. Germany? check. Japan? check. We tried to eliminate their industrial production and thus their capacity to wage war, as we took on their forces mile by mile, island by island. They had just invaded a huge chunk of the world, and we rolled them back. By and large their post-war borders were left completely unaffected.

    We didn’t even significantly alter their systems of government. Germany still has appointed chancellors, Japan has an emperor, and Italy has a prime minister and parliament, just like before the war. What we did was crush those who think socialism, fascism, or militaristic emperor worship was the way to take over the world, eliminating Anglo-American and Jewish capitalism in the process.

    And so it was in fact done. That is all I would wish for the Zionist entity.

    Just what the hell is a Zionist entity? A pod creature?

    I just want to get rid of the Zionist entity as a state, not necessarily all the humans who are living in it.

    Oh, I see. Eliminate Israel as a state and then let the Palestinians and Syrians finish them off.

    After the Zionist entity is obliterated, hopefully a new state could arise, like post-apartheid South Africa, or postwar Italy, Germany, Japan.

    With just as many surviving Jews, no doubt.

    The problem is not all those 5.5 million Jewish people living in the entity (not necessarily anyway) but the problem is that they are entangled into the Zionist entity, just as the German people were entangled into the Nazi state, etc.

    Zionism is the political movement that holds that Jews should return to Israel and have their own country. You seem to want to crush Zionism (destroy the Israeli state) while still having a Jewish state that somehow is in the same place but is no longer either filled with Jews or located in Israel. Have you really thought through this, or is your first attempt at using to grey mush between your ears?

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    MAJ Mike growls and barks:

    That little adolescent parasite should renounce his U.S. citizenship and glom on to an EU passport.

    His 17-year old ignorance will find safe haven in EU-land and he’ll be able to go on the dole at age 18.

    Hope the little shit stays in Europe. One less proto-lib to deal with.

  245. 245
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    Buzzzz! Wrong! Italy still there? check. Germany? check. Japan? check.

    Sigh. How many times do I have to go through this charade with you? In WWII, we desired to destroy, obliterate, the vaporize, wipe out, take out, end, zero out:
    1. The German Nazi state.
    2. The Italian fascist state.
    3. The Japanese imperialist aggressor state.
    4. Hopefully, any of their armed allies.
    This is all I desire for the Zionist entity – to get rid of the Zionist regime, the Zionist state, the Zionist entity as a political entity.

    By and large their post-war borders were left completely unaffected.

    Well, I think the very Zionist entity itself is illegitamate, has no valid borders, should have none, etc. That state will be no more, hopefully.

    Just what the hell is a Zionist entity? A pod creature?

    Perhaps they are pods? The Zionist entity is called “Israel”, but I do not like to use that word, because I do not accept the existence of “Israel”.

    Oh, I see. Eliminate Israel as a state and then let the Palestinians and Syrians finish them off.

    Yes, get rid of it. In its place would be one state in all of Palestine. It would have to be secular non-discriminatory, etc. Any Jew who wants to stay in the new Palestine could stay, and surely I would oppose any attacks on those Jews who stayed. I think a lot of the Jews would just leave though, and many of the rest would form underground terrorist organizations. At that point, those Jews would have to be attacked, yes.

    With just as many surviving Jews, no doubt.

    It really isn’t necessary to kill most of the Jews there to make the new state, and it’s totally unlikely anyway. Just more Jewish paranoia and crap. Really not even 1 Jew would have to be killed. They could just agree to dissolve their Zionist entity tomorrow, like the South Africans dissolved their apartheid entity to make the new South Africa.

    Zionism is the political movement that holds that Jews should return to Israel and have their own country.

    They left 2000 fucking years ago and they had no right to “go back” to a place they left 2000 years ago. Forget it! And Jews have no right whatsoever to national liberation or their own state. All ethnic groups do not deserve a nation-state, only some do. Clearly, Jews do not qualify.

    You seem to want to crush Zionism (destroy the Israeli state)

    Yes!

    while still having a Jewish state that somehow is in the same place

    No! There will be NO JEWISH STATE in the place of the Zionist regime. The Jews have no right whatsoever to a “Jewish state” in that place. A “Jewish state” is Zionism. After getting rid of Zionism, you would have a state left, but it would be a binational state, not just a Jewish state.

    but is no longer either filled with Jews

    They can all stay if they wish, I do not care. We could even leave in the Aliya bit and let it continue to be the “safe haven of the Jews”. But we would also have right to return of Palestinians and maybe a “safe haven for the Palestinians” too. So both peoples could have their right to return things and safe haven things, which are not bad per se.

    or located in Israel.

    There will be NO Jewish state anywhere on Earth! Ok? If the Jews want to convince, or bribe, some people somewhere to abandon their country, then the Jews can go make their state there. Or they can hop into a rocket ship and go make their fuckin state on another planet for all I care. Actually, most of the world would be happy if they would hop on that rocket ship.

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    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    Buzzzz! Wrong! Italy still there? check. Germany? check. Japan? check.

    Sigh. How many times do I have to go through this charade with you? In WWII, we desired to destroy, obliterate, the vaporize, wipe out, take out, end, zero out:
    1. The German Nazi state.
    2. The Italian fascist state.
    3. The Japanese imperialist aggressor state.
    4. Hopefully, any of their armed allies.
    This is all I desire for the Zionist entity – to get rid of the Zionist regime, the Zionist state, the Zionist entity as a political entity.

    By and large their post-war borders were left completely unaffected.

    Well, I think the very Zionist entity itself is illegitamate, has no valid borders, should have none, etc. That state will be no more, hopefully.

    Just what the hell is a Zionist entity? A pod creature?

    Perhaps they are pods? The Zionist entity is called “Israel”, but I do not like to use that word, because I do not accept the existence of “Israel”.

    Oh, I see. Eliminate Israel as a state and then let the Palestinians and Syrians finish them off.

    Yes, get rid of it. In its place would be one state in all of Palestine. It would have to be secular non-discriminatory, etc. Any Jew who wants to stay in the new Palestine could stay, and surely I would oppose any attacks on those Jews who stayed. I think a lot of the Jews would just leave though, and many of the rest would form underground terrorist organizations. At that point, those Jews would have to be attacked, yes.

    With just as many surviving Jews, no doubt.

    It really isn’t necessary to kill most of the Jews there to make the new state, and it’s totally unlikely anyway. Just more Jewish paranoia and crap. Really not even 1 Jew would have to be killed. They could just agree to dissolve their Zionist entity tomorrow, like the South Africans dissolved their apartheid entity to make the new South Africa.

    Zionism is the political movement that holds that Jews should return to Israel and have their own country.

    They left 2000 fucking years ago and they had no right to “go back” to a place they left 2000 years ago. Forget it! And Jews have no right whatsoever to national liberation or their own state. All ethnic groups do not deserve a nation-state, only some do. Clearly, Jews do not qualify.

    You seem to want to crush Zionism (destroy the Israeli state)

    Yes!

    while still having a Jewish state that somehow is in the same place

    No! There will be NO JEWISH STATE in the place of the Zionist regime. The Jews have no right whatsoever to a “Jewish state” in that place. A “Jewish state” is Zionism. After getting rid of Zionism, you would have a state left, but it would be a binational state, not just a Jewish state.

    but is no longer either filled with Jews

    They can all stay if they wish, I do not care. We could even leave in the Aliya bit and let it continue to be the “safe haven of the Jews”. But we would also have right to return of Palestinians and maybe a “safe haven for the Palestinians” too. So both peoples could have their right to return things and safe haven things, which are not bad per se.

    or located in Israel.

    There will be NO Jewish state anywhere on Earth! Ok? If the Jews want to convince, or bribe, some people somewhere to abandon their country, then the Jews can go make their state there. Or they can hop into a rocket ship and go make their fuckin state on another planet for all I care. Actually, most of the world would be happy if they would hop on that rocket ship.

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    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    Sorry site went down. I tried to post comments, connection went on forever and never connected. I stopped the process, came back later, and posted again and 2 cloned comments showed up. Please feel free to delete the cloned comment. It’s beyond me how this is my fault, but I am sure the Rightwing brigade will figure out how it really is my fault somehow.

  248. 248
    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    TRANSLATION: Kill the jews by pushing them into the sea.

    There really are not a tremendous number of Arabs still advocating this position. There are zero Arab governments advocating this, and zero governments on Earth. Of the Palestinian factions, the PLO, Fatah-Tanzim, Al-Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, Hezbollah, PFLP, DFLP, Islamic Jihad explicity renounce and condemn this position. All those groups have taken the position that all the Jews can stay and many of those groups have even sold out to accept the Zionist entity. True, Hamas has stated such a position before, but Hamas real position is hard to figure. Mostly Hamas wants them to either leave or get killed. However, even the Sheik long supported a long-term truce against the Zionist entity (10 yrs or 100 yrs.) in return for 67 borders. The Hamas Charter, much maligned by Zionists, actually leaves open the possibility the Jews can stay, but no one has ever investigated whether Hamas would consider this.
    In radical Palestinian and Arab discussion groups (I have been a member) no one says this. A lot of the real hardliners do say that all the Jews who came since Zionism have to take off. I never heard anyone say kill em all. It certainly is not my position. In fact, I tend to get labeled “Zionist spy” and thrown out of some groups for strongly opposing the notion that most Jews have to leave Palestine. The “throw em into the sea” bit is reprehensible and despicable, and frankly that is one reason I dislike Hamas. I support PFLP and maybe the DFLP.

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    B.C., Imperial Torturer? growls and barks:

    It’s beyond me how this is my fault, but I am sure the Rightwing brigade will figure out how it really is my fault somehow.

    You’re wrong, Dongless.

    We blame your mother for not having the abortion.

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    George Turner growls and barks:

    Sigh. How many times do I have to go through this charade with you?

    I don’t know. Till you get sick of posting your little charades?

    In WWII, we desired to destroy, obliterate, the vaporize, wipe out, take out, end, zero out: 1. The German Nazi state. 2. The Italian fascist state. 3. The Japanese imperialist aggressor state. 4. Hopefully, any of their armed allies.

    We didn’t bomb London, Sydney, or any of our own allies, now did we? Maybe you’re still trying to play the Nazi side of the game.

    This is all I desire for the Zionist entity – to get rid of the Zionist regime, the Zionist state, the Zionist entity as a political entity.

    Yep. Your trying to pick up where the fascists and Nazis left off, yet STUPIDLY trying to get America on Axis side.

    “Oh, I see. Eliminate Israel as a state and then let the Palestinians and Syrians finish them off.”

    Yes, get rid of it. In its place would be one state in all of Palestine. It would have to be secular non-discriminatory, etc.

    That’s just fucking stupid. A secular Muslim jihadist state? Where the fuck do you come up with this stuff. If you get rid of Israel the Jews would all be gone in a year. Notice that just about all the Jews who used to live throughout the Middle-East are all gone now. Syria is down to about 50. Considering the relative sizes and population, a Muslim dominated Israel could hold about 14 Jews.

    Any Jew who wants to stay in the new Palestine could stay, and surely I would oppose any attacks on those Jews who stayed.

    Oh, and I’m sure Hezbollah would be absolutely terrified of going against your opposition, too.

    I think a lot of the Jews would just leave though, and many of the rest would form underground terrorist organizations.

    So from a state that lives in peace, you envision genocide, explusions, refugees, and clusters of terrorists. And this is an improvement exactly how? Do you realize how absolutely, pathetically moronic you sound?

    At that point, those Jews would have to be attacked, yes.

    So you figure they’ll kill whoever is left, while all the while claiming this isn’t going to hurt them. How unbelievable.

    It really isn’t necessary to kill most of the Jews there to make the new state, and it’s totally unlikely anyway. Just more Jewish paranoia and crap.

    Jewish paranoia??? You’re talking about crushing their entire state and hunting down the few survivors!!! Maybe they’re paranoid because little Nazi idiots like you really DO want to kill them! Isn’t that exactly what you’re advocating???

    Really not even 1 Jew would have to be killed. They could just agree to dissolve their Zionist entity tomorrow, like the South Africans dissolved their apartheid entity to make the new South Africa.

    Ok, they dissolve their “Zionist entity” like they do every election, and build a new one. Problem solved.

    They left 2000 fucking years ago and they had no right to “go back” to a place they left 2000 years ago.

    They never all left, dude. Put down the bong.

    Forget it! And Jews have no right whatsoever to national liberation or their own state. All ethnic groups do not deserve a nation-state, only some do. Clearly, Jews do not qualify.

    Because they’re Jews? Who says? I say no Muslim deserves a state. In fact, having a state is contrary to Islam. Plus, all those Muslim states are on Christian lands. I say we expel all of them and retake Constantinople. Isn’t that just as consistent with what you said?

    The rest of what you wrote just sounds like the ravings of a Nazi lunatic. No wonder we hunted down and killed the Nazis.

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    Dong Fan Club growls and barks:

    We didn’t bomb London, Sydney, or any of our own allies, now did we?

    Sigh. I said in WWII we vowed to destroy the armed governments that supported the Axis, to vaporize them, get rid of them, zero them out. And we did just that. Where do you get this shit about the US attacking our fellow Allies in WWII. Bizarre.

    Yep. Your trying to pick up where the fascists and Nazis left off,

    LOL, hardly. The Nazis made a concerted effort to physically exterminate the Jewish population of Europe. I only desire to take out the Zionist state, the same way we took out the Axis states before. No parallel. Clearly, the parallels to the WWII are in fact the fascist Zionist entity and its US imperialist ally.

    yet STUPIDLY trying to get America on Axis side.

    We already are the Axis, “George Turner” my JEWISH friend. :) You mean I am trying to get the US to switch from the Zionist Axis over to the anti-Zionist Allies (the modern parallel of the US-led anti-Axis Allies in WWII). That would be nice, but it is not going to happen. The US is Axis of Evil to the core. A river of blood will have to flow before the 2 Satans change course.

    That’s just fucking stupid.

    Oh probably. :) It is certainly utopian. :) But then we can always dream. :)

    A secular Muslim jihadist state?

    NO! I will NOT support that. Obviously a secular democratic state in all Palestine would be hard to achieve. But South African apartheid was dismantled no problemo, so Jewish apartheid should be doable too. There are probably 50,000 ways of doing this, and I am open to suggestions. We could do it real slow, gradually integrate. We could allow the Jews to still rule of themselves and the Arabs too. Maybe the military would have to integrated together. Maybe we could do Swiss-style cantons, devolution to the local level. I would want a constitution imposing the democratic, secular nature of the state, various guarantees, etc. before much else is done. Then maybe 80% popular vote to change THAT PART of constitution or maybe majority vote of both Arabs and Jews. A more serious problem probably is Jewish domination of Arabs in a new state, assuming they stick around. Further, the secular Arab and Jewish forces could both join forces against the common enemy, Jewish and Muslim religious fundamentalism.I think a lot of the Chrisitan Arabs would return. Further, with one state, Arab states would NEVER attack the new state, because there are too many Arabs in it. Also, I feel Arab and Muslim would radically die down, which is the cause of the whole conflict. Anti-Semitism might decrease across the globe. “Israel” would no longer be a major force of reaction in the region and on Earth. Imperialism in “Israel” would wilt to zero. The Jews could offer to share some of their impressive wealth and achievements with their Arab brothers, and if the Arabs had any sense, they would wallow in these gifts. The Jews could build some new cities for the returning Arab refugees as a show of good faith and kindness. There is a lot of promise in this plan. :)

    If you get rid of Israel the Jews would all be gone in a year.

    Shrug. Oh well. They coulda been a contenda. ;)

    Notice that just about all the Jews who used to live throughout the Middle-East are all gone now.

    Yes but with such a huge Jewish population, that right there would be a safety net for the Jews. Plus in one state, Arab anti-Jewish armed attacks would probably dwindle to a low number. Further, many Arabs might want to join their Jewish brothers in fighting these last holdouts.

    Considering the relative sizes and population, a Muslim dominated Israel could hold about 14 Jews.

    Oh vell. They could always be the slumlords and run the pawnshops, like they always do. :)

    Oh, and I’m sure Hezbollah would be absolutely terrified of going against your opposition, too.

    Hezbollah would stop fighting, they have already said they would accept this. Indeed almost all Palestinian armed groups say they would quit fighting in such a case. Even the Iranian mullahs have said they would accept it. After all, there are 29,000 Jews in Iran now, and they are not being slaughtered or anything. The real wild card is Hamas and Al Qaeda and allied Islamist shitheads. Hamas could maybe be convinced into some kind of ceasefire, but the Al Qaedists may well carry on. But they have “Israel” in their sites anyway.

    So from a state that lives in peace,

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. “Israel” lives in peace. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Oh man please.

    you envision genocide, explusions, refugees, and clusters of terrorists.

    Where did I say genocide? There won’t be any. The 2 states will merge. There will be no genocide. Even you acknowledge that. There will be no expulsions. The army will be integrated and would be put to task to stop this. The Jews may well decide to take off on their own, but that is hardly genocide or expulsion, unless you are a Jewish hysterical paranoid progandist. :) There already are clusters of terrorists. “Israel” is nothing but a huge terrorist state, and PA zones are totally terrorist-infested. I would say that the terrorist-infested nature of the region of the region would radically diminish. I think most humans in that area are sick of this shit.

    And this is an improvement exactly how?

    It is. I laid out the various advantages above and I will not repeat them. There is considerable upside here.

    Do you realize how absolutely, pathetically moronic you sound?

    Oh probably. The present sitation is pathetically moronic too IMHO. I am a utopian dreamer. Sorry bout that.

    So you figure they’ll kill whoever is left, while all the while claiming this isn’t going to hurt them. How unbelievable.

    Now now now. Settle down, my Jewish friend. Your Semitic excitability is starting to show. I SAID if any Jews form terrorist organizations to stop the new Izratine state, they would have to be attacked, yes. Of course, any Arabs who formed terrorist organizations would also have to be attacked. Assuming the military would be full of Jews and Arabs, they should have plenty motivation to go after both I would think.

    Jewish paranoia???

    Yes, unfortunately it is a well-known feature of such people, along with large noses, involvement in pornography, chronic bitching and kvetching, and desire for blonde wives by the males.

    You’re talking about crushing their entire state and hunting down the few survivors!!!

    LOL, when did I say that? I said, if any Jews OR ARABS do not want to get with the new Izratine program and form terrorist organizations to thwart the new state, yes we will have to hunt them down, of course.

    Ok, they dissolve their “Zionist entity” like they do every election, and build a new one. Problem solved.

    Well, clearly, the Zionists have never dissolved their Zionist entity, even once. They have never dissolved the Zionist entity at any election, nor built a new one at any election. The Zionist entity clearly continues to exist at and after every military-junta dominated election, but the Zionist entity chooses new military JUNTAS to govern the Zionist entity every 4 years or so. “Israel” has always been run by a military junta. Wonderful place!

    They never all left, dude. Put down the bong.

    The Jews who were in Palestine before the violent Zionist invasion of Palestine are not any kind of problem at all. Are you aware that 300 Jews in Palestine refuse to recognize the Zionist entity at census time and demand to be called Palestinian Jews? Are you aware that there are Palestinian Jews living in the Territories in refugee camps, often married to Arabs, and they have no problems with Arabs at all? Are you aware that 5-10 Palestinian Jews were amongst the 3,500 people killed in Sharon’s Shabra Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon. Those were Palestinian refugees who got thrown out by their Jewish “brethren” and were part of the Palestinian refugees you folks despise so much. Are you aware that most Palestinian Jews opposed the Zionist violent invasion and were treated like total shit by the AshkeNAZI violent invaders?

    Because they’re Jews?

    Yes, Jews do not get a state. They did not live as a majority group in any one area and instead were spread out all over the world. Such dispersed ethnic groups have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO ANY STATE EVER. There are many other groups like that, not just Jews. Who says?
    I says. DFC says. :P

    I say no Muslim deserves a state.

    Ok, but I do not know why you say that, unless you are just a bigot, like most Jews.

    In fact, having a state is contrary to Islam.

    I do not believe that is true. Proof?

    Plus, all those Muslim states are on Christian lands.

    Oh really? Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Azerbaijan, Malayisa, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, other Gulf states, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, the Muslim states of Africa, are on Christian lands? How do u figger?

    I say we expel all of them and retake Constantinople.

    No. The Arab Muslim conquest, which you apparently refer to, took place 1300 years ago and has long been ratified by humanity. The Arab Muslims conquered the pagan and Christian states in ME and North Africa, totally intermarried in with the Christian and pagan natives, the natives gave up, surrendered, and therefore gave up their right to contest the invasion. Then they up and utterly intermarried with the invaders to the point where you can no longer tell native from invader. Further, there was little or no native expulsion by Arab Muslim invaders in that region. Plus, the vast majority of the natives not only married in with, but also converted to Islam, to the point where the natives have become genetically, religiously and culturally one with the invaders. There are no natives crying to retake the region or for a right to return. It’s over. The people you would be fighting would be the same natives you claim to be liberating, who have now morphed into your hated Arab Muslim invaders.

    Isn’t that just as consistent with what you said?

    Nope. In a larger sense though, the fact is that the settler-colonial invaders simply DO NOT GET their own state, PERIOD, in the modern era. The settler-colonial invaders of US, Canada, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. did not get their own state. They had to share the new state with the natives, and so they do. They are not allowed to expel the natives to make settler-colonial pure state. South Africa tried it and the world said thumbs down. So it will hopefully be with the Jewish apartheid entity.

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    DFC growls and barks:

    “He’s a dirty Jew!” (Nope, he’s not.)

    Fine, let us see him deny it. I have not yet seen 1 Jew deny that they are Jewish. I have seen many cases where they do not want to reveal that they are, though. They just refuse to answer the question, usually. And we have repeatedly caught Jews on the net posing as Muslims and Christians as part of the Zionist propaganda war.

    “Well, he’s a dirty Jew-lover then!” (Nope, he bathes.)

    I do not give a damn whether he is a Jewlover or not. I was one myself until 2 years ago. My parents still are. It’s no big deal. He is a Zionist, though and that is a problem. Being a Jewlover is a rather stupid thing to be though I must say. No people should be given impunity.

    “Well he tells lies! (Can you point out any? Nope.)

    Yeh, well it is not so much that he tells scientifically verifiable lies but that he is a classic propagandist, and IMHO he is just wrong. We all lie. That’s not necessarily a problem, but I am personally not into lying about politics, which is why I tend to get thrown out of most Left political groups I join. :)

    “The Jews have no right to live anywhere they can call their own!”

    Right, they do not, unless they can convince or bribe some other folks to abandon their land or go colonize some planet somewhere. It’s not my fault they can’t get along with anyone. Why don’t Jews read some Dale Carnegie, eh?

    (But the Palistinians do?

    Of course! The Palestinians are simply the native inhabitants of Palestine who were thrown out by the violent Zionist invaders.

    So…. what’s your opinion on Kurds?)

    Unlike many Arab nationalists (which is what I really am) I do support a Kurdish state. Some of us do, but a lot of other Arab nationalists violently oppose it. The Kurds are all concentrated in one contiguous area where they are the majority, therefore they have the right to self-determination there. The state would involve parts of Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran. I realize the Kurds are traitors who have allied with the Zionist entity and the US, but despite their treachery, they still deserve a state. I do not think Kirkuk should be part of it. I have long been a strong supporter of the PKK in Turkey. I also support many other successionist guerillas in Kashmir, Aceh, Chechnya, Basqueland, Catalunya, Brittany, Corsica, North Ireland, Sri Lanka, Burma, Spanish Sahara, South Sudan, Somaliland, parts of India, Tibet, East Turkestan. See if you can come up with some others. I usually support such folks. I am not sure about the Moros in the Phillipines or the south Thailanders. I do NOT support “Aztland”! I am an eclectic fellow!

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    George Turner growls and barks:

    We didn’t bomb London, Sydney, or any of our own allies, now did we?

    Sigh. I said in WWII we vowed to destroy the armed governments that supported the Axis, to vaporize them, get rid of them, zero them out. And we did just that. Where do you get this shit about the US attacking our fellow Allies in WWII. Bizarre.

    Because Israel is our ally, and we don?t attack allies. *Sigh* you ignorant moon god worshiping slut.

    ?Yep. Your trying to pick up where the fascists and Nazis left off,?

    LOL, hardly. The Nazis made a concerted effort to physically exterminate the Jewish population of Europe. I only desire to take out the Zionist state, the same way we took out the Axis states before. No parallel. Clearly, the parallels to the WWII are in fact the fascist Zionist entity and its US imperialist ally.

    Look, stupid Nazi fuckweasel. In the same way that the Nazi?s tried to eliminate the Jews, you?re trying to eliminate the remaining Jews.

    ?yet STUPIDLY trying to get America on Axis side.?
    We already are the Axis, “George Turner” my JEWISH friend. :) You mean I am trying to get the US to switch from the Zionist Axis over to the anti-Zionist Allies (the modern parallel of the US-led anti-Axis Allies in WWII). That would be nice, but it is not going to happen. The US is Axis of Evil to the core. A river of blood will have to flow before the 2 Satans change course.

    Look, you stupid Nazi prick, my cousin was executed for war crimes at Nuremberg, so to say that I?m Jewish means that me and my family have to trace your IP address and kill you and your entire family. But that point aside, you are worthless waste of oxygen who will be eliminated from this planet long before anyone presents a serious threat to Israel.

    ?A secular Muslim jihadist state??

    NO! I will NOT support that.

    Obviously moon god worshippers don?t give a shit what you do and do not support.

    Retarded fantasy inserted here.

    ?If you get rid of Israel the Jews would all be gone in a year.?

    Shrug. Oh well. They coulda been a contenda. ;)

    As the world said about Eichman, the most stunning thing about him was the absolute banality of his evil.

    ?Notice that just about all the Jews who used to live throughout the Middle-East are all gone now.?

    Yes but with such a huge Jewish population, that right there would be a safety net for the Jews.

    That?s not even a sentence.

    Plus in one state, Arab anti-Jewish armed attacks would probably dwindle to a low number. Further, many Arabs might want to join their Jewish brothers in fighting these last holdouts.

    So now you posit that the last remaining Jews are spending their time hunting down fellow Jews. Yep. You are certainly dumber than the Nazis.

    ?Considering the relative sizes and population, a Muslim dominated Israel could hold about 14 Jews.?

    Oh vell. They could always be the slumlords and run the pawnshops, like they always do. :)

    Wait, I thought the ran the entire fucking world. Now which is it?

    Idiotic moonbat utopian blather ignored.

    ?you envision genocide, explusions, refugees, and clusters of terrorists.?

    Where did I say genocide? There won’t be any.

    There will be the extermination of the Jews, but as the Jews are closer to rats than humans, no one will call this genocide.

    ?And this is an improvement exactly how??

    >It is. I laid out the various advantages above and I will not repeat them. There is considerable upside here.

    Yes, the upside you seek is the extermination of the Jew.

    ?Do you realize how absolutely, pathetically moronic you sound??

    Oh probably. The present sitation is pathetically moronic too IMHO. I am a utopian dreamer. Sorry bout that.

    Yes, you are utopian dreamer like the socialists who plunged their ?utopian? societies into abject backwardness and poverty and put 170 million of their ?utopian? subjects into mass graves. On the other hand, you are proof that stupid people dream.

    ?So you figure they’ll kill whoever is left, while all the while claiming this isn’t going to hurt them. How unbelievable.?

    Now now now. Settle down, my Jewish friend. Your Semitic excitability is starting to show. I SAID if any Jews form terrorist organizations to stop the new Izratine state, they would have to be attacked, yes. Of course, any Arabs who formed terrorist organizations would also have to be attacked. Assuming the military would be full of Jews and Arabs, they should have plenty motivation to go after both I would think.

    Ok, so any terrorists must be attacked. Israel is currently doing that. Yet you seem to have a problem with it. Why so?

    ?Jewish paranoia????

    Oh, just repeat every piece of tripe that Hitler paraded out. You?re such a pathetic example of a worthless piece of human garbage that even David Duke would vomit on you.

    ?They never all left, dude. Put down the bong.?

    The Jews who were in Palestine before the violent Zionist invasion of Palestine are not any kind of problem at all. Are you aware that 300 Jews in Palestine refuse to recognize the Zionist entity at census time and demand to be called Palestinian Jews? Are you aware that there are Palestinian Jews living in the Territories in refugee camps, often married to Arabs, and they have no problems with Arabs at all? Are you aware that 5-10 Palestinian Jews were amongst the 3,500 people killed in Sharon’s Shabra Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon. Those were Palestinian refugees who got thrown out by their Jewish “brethren” and were part of the Palestinian refugees you folks despise so much. Are you aware that most Palestinian Jews opposed the Zionist violent invasion and were treated like total shit by the AshkeNAZI violent invaders?

    Yes, the Jews who were in Palestine are not a problem because half of them have already been exterminated by the Palestinians. I?m sure the 300 are proud. Are you aware that you are on the short bus of life? Are you aware that many Israelis are Arab and Muslim? Are you aware that there were actually 350,000 people killed at the Shatila refugee camps, or possibly 3.5 million? Are you aware that all the period reports put the death toll in at a couple hundred? Are you aware that every dead Muslim becomes 10 to 100 dead Muslims as the years roll on, because liberals can?t do math? Do you ever wonder why only liberals and Muslims can?t do math?

    ?Because they’re Jews??

    Yes, Jews do not get a state. They did not live as a majority group in any one area and instead were spread out all over the world. Such dispersed ethnic groups have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO ANY STATE EVER. There are many other groups like that, not just Jews. Who says? I says. DFC says. :P

    Actually, the question is that after the Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians, Libyans, Sudanese, Iraqis, Iranians, and Yeminis are defeated, how many states do the Jews get? Not that I?m advocating anything, but it will become an issue at future Olympics.

    ?I say no Muslim deserves a state.?

    Ok, but I do not know why you say that, unless you are just a bigot, like most Jews.

    Ok, many Jews might be bigots because they vote democrat, but other than that, what?s you?re point? How can an out and out Nazi call someone a bigot? Do you get my point here?

    ?In fact, having a state is contrary to Islam.?
    I do not believe that is true. Proof?

    The Goddamned Qu?ran you ignorant slut. What do you think half the point of it is? People must live under God?s law and not man?s law. The Ummah. All that shit you?re obviously ignorant of, which is why you come off as such an ignorant dufus.

    ?Plus, all those Muslim states are on Christian lands.?

    Oh really? Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Azerbaijan, Malayisa, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Saudi Arabia, other Gulf states, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, the Muslim states of Africa, are on Christian lands? How do u figger?

    Because they all used to be Christian???? Excuse me, but didn?t Muhammed, in the Christian backwaters, double check what he thought with the local Christians??? Double excuse me, but isn?t much of Africa Christian? Isn?t a big hunk of Muslim Africa home to Christian churches? The key to the Rosetta stone was learning to speak Coptic, like the, um, Coptic Christians, if you get my drift.

    ?I say we expel all of them and retake Constantinople.?,

    No. The Arab Muslim conquest, which you apparently refer to, took place 1300 years ago and has long been ratified by humanity.

    Oh, I?m sorry! Damn it to hell! 1300 years after the fall of Constantinople means we?re actuallly living in the year 2753, not 2004!!! What was I thinking???

    The Arab Muslims conqbered the pagan and Christian states in ME and North Africa, totally intermarried in with the Christian and pagan natives, the natives gave up, surrendered, and therefore gave up their right to contest the invasion.

    Great!!! Then they won?t mind we teach them that payback is hell! Arab wome are oh so sexy!!! I want to own three.

    Then they up and utterly intermarried with the invaders to the point where you can no longer tell native from invader. Further, there was little or no native expulsion by Arab Muslim invaders in that region. Plus, the vast majority of the natives not only married in with, but also converted to Islam, to the point where the natives have become genetically, religiously and culturally one with the invaders. There are no natives crying to retake the region or for a right to return.

    Sorry, but under Christian law it?s our obligation to nuke the pathetic Satanists and retake all lands that had ever had a Christian Church. I?d like to avoid this outcome, but it?s in the Bible.

    It’s over. The people you would be fighting would be the same natives you claim to be liberating, who have now morphed into your hated Arab Muslim invaders.

    Sorry, but that?s just lame. We can?t shirk our responsibility to exterminate the agents of Satan, a responsibility given to us by God and J. Robert Oppenheimer, a Jew.

    Isn’t that just as consistent with what you said?

    Nope. In a larger sense though, the fact is that the settler-colonial invaders simply DO NOT GET their own state, PERIOD, in the modern era. The settler-colonial invaders of US, Canada, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, etc. did not get their own state. They had to share the new state with the natives, and so they do. They are not allowed to expel the natives to make settler-colonial pure state. South Africa tried it and the world said thumbs down. So it will hopefully be with the Jewish apartheid

    Sorry, but you just said the US does?t get its own state, while the backwards ass moon-god worshipping idiots who haven?t yet hankered on to the benefits of toilet paper shouldl rule. They were all forced to bow down to Mecca and feed their psychic energy to Satan, as confirmed by energy readings from Shuttle overflights, and until Mecca is destroyed and the peoples returned to their true non-Satanic religion no peace will prevail. It must suck to still be scratching your head over the mysteries of toilet paper while your enemies contemplate a Mars mission.

  254. 254
    George Turner growls and barks:

    “He’s a dirty Jew!” (Nope, he’s not.)

    Fine, let us see him deny it. I have not yet seen 1 Jew deny that they are Jewish. I have seen many cases where they do not want to reveal that they are, though. They just refuse to answer the question, usually. And we have repeatedly caught Jews on the net posing as Muslims and Christians as part of the Zionist propaganda war.

    People refuse to deny that they?re Jewish for the same reason that Christians wouldn?t deny that they?re Christian even when confronted by Lions. I?m so happy you ?caught? people posing as Jews, though. As we all know either people do that all the time or someone tries to talk reason to a bunch of ignorant paranoid sluts and are immediately dismissed as ?Jews?.

    “Well, he’s a dirty Jew-lover then!” (Nope, he bathes.)?

    I do not give a damn whether he is a Jewlover or not. I was one myself until 2 years ago. My parents still are. It’s no big deal. He is a Zionist, though and that is a problem. Being a Jewlover is a rather stupid thing to be though I must say. No people should be given impunity.

    And nobody who stumps around for genocide should be given a pass on a 68 grain bullet travelling at 2950 fps, so what?s your point?

    “Well he tells lies! (Can you point out any? Nope.)

    Yeh, well it is not so much that he tells scientifically verifiable lies but that he is a classic propagandist, and IMHO he is just wrong. We all lie. That’s not necessarily a problem, but I am personally not into lying about politics, which is why I tend to get thrown out of most Left political groups I join. :)

    Ok, since you?re telling a constant stream of lies you assume, while making yourself look like a total ass (not to be confused with a Muslim?s favorite sex toy) that everyone else must be lying too. We?re not lying. You really are a pathetic piece of Nazi vermin.

    “The Jews have no right to live anywhere they can call their own!”

    Right, they do not, unless they can convince or bribe some other folks to abandon their land or go colonize some planet somewhere. It’s not my fault they can’t get along with anyone. Why don’t Jews read some Dale Carnegie, eh?

    The Jews get along with everyone, and yet we still killed millions of them. Given that Jews are masters at fitting in, yet Muslims don?t assimilate, run around terrifying people, and constantly plot the overthrow of governments, what do you think the Europeans are finally going to do to tens of millions of Muslims in Europe when the freak out and unleash the European genocide gene? No more European Muslims? I thought you?d agree.

    ?(But the Palistinians do??

    Of course! The Palestinians are simply the native inhabitants of Palestine who were thrown out by the violent Zionist invaders.

    As we all no, the people whose culture more closely resmembles Orangutangs than our own, who blow up buses of childrenn on an almost daily basis, who make central Africans look absolutely civilized, are actually peaceful ?native inhabitants?, much like the adder and African death spider.

    ?So…. what’s your opinion on Kurds?)?

    Unlike many Arab nationalists (which is what I really am) I do support a Kurdish state.

    WTF is an Arab nationalist? Do you support a single Arab nation?

    Some of us do, but a lot of other Arab nationalists violently oppose it.

    Well no doubt anyone calling themselves an Arab nationalist violently opposes many things, like that toilet paper thing.

    The Kurds are all concentrated in one contiguous area where they are the majority, therefore they have the right to self-determination there. The state would involve parts of Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran.

    And your point is? Defending Wilson?s partition of Arab land into easily controlled countries? For an Arab nationalist you sure do suck at it.

    I realize the Kurds are traitors who have allied with the Zionist entity and the US, but despite their treachery, they still deserve a state.

    That and the fact that the produced the only leader capable of fighting the West, albeit briefly, named Saladin.

    I do not think Kirkuk should be part of it. I have long been a strong supporter of the PKK in Turkey. I also support many other successionist guerillas in Kashmir, Aceh, Chechnya, Basqueland, Catalunya, Brittany, Corsica, North Ireland, Sri Lanka, Burma, Spanish Sahara, South Sudan, Somaliland, parts of India, Tibet, East Turkestan.

    Well isn?t that just sweet! Nazis support violent Nazi fuckweazles where ever they may be!

    See if you can come up with some others. I usually support such folks. I am not sure about the Moros in the Phillipines or the south Thailanders. I do NOT support “Aztland”! I am an eclectic fellow!

    You?re not an ?eclectic? fellow. You?re a waste of skin and the world would be better off if someone accidentally pours molten iron on you, just to watch you flame up brighter than any thought that might happen across the three neurons you still have connected.

  255. 255
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    More of Dong Fan Club condensed: If we just kill the jews er, zionists, all will be peace and sunshine in the world.

    Notice when George shredded his anti-semitic blatherings he suddenly became, “George Turner, my JEWISH friend”

    Apparently, Dong Fan Club thinks this is “an insult” BWHAHAHAHAHA!

    Oy Vey!

  256. 256
    DFC growls and barks:

    Notice when George shredded his anti-semitic blatherings

    LOL, he never shredded a damn fucking thing. It’s just the usual crapola spiel. I’ve been through this 1000′s of times with these people. This is simply the stereotypical Jewish response to any criticism of Jews or Israel. Bla Bla bla bla Nazi Nazi Nazi racist racist racist Hitler Hitler Hitler KKK KKK KKK anti-Semite anti-Semite anti-Semite hater hater hater. And there is often some totally bizarre notion that one is actually jealous (!!!????) of Jewish people, or Israel, or their gutter religion….because one is tearing them a new one. Then often something about how much of a loser one must be, and how something terrible must have happened to one, or how one is psychologically disturbed, or broke, or a social failure, or insecure, or in need of a psychiatrist, because criticized Jews or Israel. The standard formula. 95% of Jewish people will respond pretty much like “George Turner” just did. They’re like clones off some weird “Jewish Talk Show Central”.

    is he suddenly became, “George Turner, my JEWISH friend”

    I think he is. I thought so after giving his site a thorough going-over.

    1. He looks REAL Jewish. :)

    2. He is totally obsessed with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, on Israel’s side, and he is a ferocious supporter of Israel. That conflict takes up a lot of his site.

    3. He writes God G_d.

    That about did it for me. I could be wrong. Plus this latest spiel of his is pretty much the usual type response from a lot of Jewish people on this kind of question. Gentiles will take exception too, but not usually in the way he did. Apparently, Dong Fan Club thinks this is “an insult” BWHAHAHAHAHA!
    Why is it an insult to be Jewish. I would like to be Jewish myself. It would be an honor. Per se, there is nothing necessarily wrong with being a member of the Jewish ethnic group. It all depends on the individual Jew’s thoughts and behaviors, just like anyone else.

  257. 257
    DFC growls and barks:

    Notice when George shredded his anti-semitic blatherings

    He didn’t accomplish much of a damn thing, did he? Other than the standard propaganda devices, logical fallacies, dissembling, sophistry, irrelevancy, false comparison, hyperbole, appearl to emotion, red herring, straw man, distortion, ad hominem, etc. Been there, done that. BTW, this is another thing I always notice in the Zionist fora. Whenever a Zionist responds to an argument from a Jewish/Zionist critic, and usually fails to deal with it well, as usual, all the rahrah’s chime in on the “wonderful” job the Zionist did of “completely destroying” the critic’s argument, when actually while the Zionist argument looks very impressive, when you look closely, there is usually nothing there at all. Like a beautiful cake filled with air, or an immaculately decorated turd.

  258. 258
    DFC growls and barks:

    Typical argument with a Zionist:
    Critic: Criticize Israel, Jews, Judaism.
    Zionist Jew: Look, in other words, you really wanna KILL ALL THE JEWS, right? Just like HITLER, right? Right? Right? Right? Threats, insults, attacks.
    Critic (shocked, hurt): Gee, gosh, um, no, my God, “Kill all the Jews”?! Jesus Christ man that is terrible. I hate Hitler. I hate Nazis. Gee all I said was Ariel Sharon is so fuckin fat he has to turn sideways to go through doors and grease the fuckin bathtab to even fit in, and last week he jumped on his bed and smashed right through the floor onto the floor below. Gee. Shouldn’t it be illegal to be such a human cetacean? I mean, I thought no man was an island. But if you plunked Ariel down in the Mediterranean, you could settle a small city right on his fat ass alone.
    Zionist Jew (in autistic mode): Anti-Semite Anti-Semite Anti-Semite Anti-Semite Anti-Semite Anti-Semite. Ariel is God. When he farts all Israel shakes for a full minute! YOU WANNA KILL ALL THE JEWS DONT YOU? [repeat] [repeat] [repeat]
    Critic (befuddled): Um, no, gosh, my God, the last thing from my mind. I would never want to see all the Jews get killed. I would try to rescue them, with bare hands.
    Zionist Jew: YOU WANT TO KILL ALL THE JEWS [repeat] [repeat] [repeat].
    Critic: Gosh no, really, I don’t want to kill all the Jews no I don’t.
    ZJ: Yes you do yes you do yes you do yes you do [repeat] [repeat] [repeat].

    Kinda hard to have a conversation with someone like that you know? What’s weird is Jews have like unlimited energy for this utterly unproductive conversation. I have seen these wastes of words go on and on and on for days and days, even weeks. Bizarre.

  259. 259
    Lord Spatula I, K&T growls and barks:

    is simply the stereotypical Jewish response to any criticism of Jews or Israel. Bla Bla bla bla Nazi Nazi Nazi racist racist racist Hitler Hitler Hitler KKK KKK KKK anti-Semite anti-Semite anti-Semite hater hater hater.

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it, asswipe?

    Does DFC stand for Dumb Fuck Cunt?