State of Fear

Michael Crichton has a new book out, “State of Fear“, which is going to drive granola-munching lifeforms and Gaia-worshipping academics apoplectic.

Michael Crichton, in his latest, dares question the received and spoon-fed wisdom that we’re all about to die from global warming, and you can catch an audio interview with him here. Maybe the planet’s heating up a bit, as is Mars, but if the catastrophic predictions of a 1 to 3.5C warming hold true then in a hundred years Toronto will be as warm as Detroit. So please excuse me if I don’t start packing my bags this very instant.

But at least we now know what happens the day after “The Day After Tomorrow”, a movie so daft that scientists ran from the aisles and six-year-olds quizzically asked how they could get hot enough to freeze to death. Rest assured that if we’re about to die from global warming induced heatstroke we’ll find that backyard glacier’s supply of ready-made ice-cubes mighty friggin’ convenient. We can all sit around gossiping about the weather and icing down the planet’s last twelve-pack of Canadian beer, rescued from the Molson brewery just before it gets crushed under an onslaught of the glacier driven coconuts from Canada’s inevitable tropical ice age.

And some people have the nerve to say Crichton writes fiction…

108 comments

  1. 1
    Helmsman growls and barks:

    FIRST!!

  2. 2
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    …ha, I heard a bit about this earlier… From what I have gathered (haven’t read the book yet..) he slams global warming upside the head…I do as well… I will believe it when you can give me proof of consistent energy output of the sun.
    The sun, being about a million times as massive as the Earth, and a continuous nuclear reaction to boot, has more say on our climate than anything…
    Hell, even, what was it, Mount Pinatubo, or one of those semi-recent volcanic eruptions, gave off more ‘green house’ gases than everything man has ever used for fuel in all of history…and in a few days none the less..!
    And besides, isn’t it kind of arrogant of our species to think we have a dramatic effect on a planet wide scale? Hell, we’ve gotten as far as the moon…what the hell do we really know about a planet’s heating and cooling cycles that take centuries, or hundreds of centuries to show a pattern?!
    I will say however, which should be intuitvly obvious to the most casual observer, that pollution is not a good thing…..but to blame man and his last 100 or 150 years for warming a planet almost 5 billion years old? Rubbish..Not enough data.. Does not compute……Theory invalidated due to lack of information….
    ( and that sun thing I mentioned: Solar flares, just an itty bitty percentage higher than normal sun activity, can wipe out a country wide power grid just from their huge magnetic fields..trust me, techno-geek proof: a conductor (basically most metals) moving through a magnetic field, causes electrons to flow(electricity). Therefore, a magnetic field(solar flare) moving through a conductor(all the power lines) causes electrical voltage spikes that destroy transformers, switches, wires, etc.

    Sorry, way too many words to say what I sum up as ‘Global warming:Man is the biggest culprit? ‘
    Yeah, and the monkeys are flying outta my ass too…

    (woo, * deep breath– lets keyboard cool down* )

    sorry for long rant, but bad science hits a nerve with me..

  3. 3

    2112: You got monkeys flying outta your ass? Dude, there’s gotta be something you can take for that.

    ::ahem::

    Anyhow.

    George, you’ve managed to actually make me want to read this book. I don’t know whether to say “thanks” or not. :P

  4. 4
    George Turner growls and barks:

    Well Kate, some of the people who didn’t care that much for the characters and plot did like all the charts, notes, and references.

    Tech Central Station had Kyoto Article which was also quite interesting.

    Anyway, sorry for being absent so much. My only break from work has been getting laid up for a couple days in a hotel room with an extremely painful hip injury.

  5. 5
    Cb!Cb! growls and barks:

    Excerpt from ‘State of Fear’

    By Michael Crichton

    “Has it ever occurred to you how astonishing Western society really is? Industrialized nations provide their citizens with unprecedented safety, health, and comfort. Average life spans increased fifty percent in the last century. Yet modern people live in abject fear.

    They are afraid of strangers, of disease, of crime, of the environment. They are afraid of the homes they live in, the food they eat, the technology that surrounds them. They are in a particular panic over things they can’t even see – germs, chemicals, additives, pollutants. They are timid, nervous, fretful, and depressed. And even more amazingly, they are convinced that the environment of the entire planet is being destroyed around them. Remarkable! Like the belief in witchcraft, it’s an extraordinary delusion – a global fantasy worthy of the Middle Ages.”

    That is the major theme of Michael Moore’s movie,
    Bowling For Columbine. How westerners, well,
    American’s, are constantly scared.

    Making people afraid is very profitable, and a
    not so subtle form of control.

  6. 6
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    Cb- I don’t quite follow your post of :( Crichton’s excerpt)

    They are afraid of strangers, of disease, of crime, of the environment. They are afraid of the homes they live in, the food they eat, the technology that surrounds them. They are in a particular panic over things they can’t even see – germs, chemicals, additives, pollutants.

    I get the whole fear thing as being profitable, but I see the ‘fear’ of things like disease,germs, chemicals,additives, etc. as signs of an educated populace. The four items I just mentioned are of great concern to those whom understand science..We all know ‘wash your hands’ to keep from spreading disease and germs, chemicals and food additives may or may not be harmless… I just read it as, not fear, but just heightened understanding of one’s environment.
    Are you implying that Crichton is being faceatous(sp?) , are you agreeing with him, or disagreeing? I seemed to miss your main thesis…

  7. 7

    You’re not the only one that’s missed it, 2112. The real question now is did she even have one?

  8. 8
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    LC & IB Kate, Imperial SpinDoctor -

    I know….I was being polite and waiting for something that made sense…:)

    ( that’s just me- just trying to get even the trollish types to answer logically..)

    Cb?…….

  9. 9
    LC TripleNeckSteel growls and barks:

    WAAAAAYYYYYY OT,

    But I thought I might take this chance to welcome the latest addition to my family…

    A beautiful little M4 Carbine.

    This little bundle of Homeland-Security-Enhancing joy weighs in at a healthy 7 pounds, and mother (AKA Lady Liberty) and child are doing just fine.

    I fully expect this little number to follow in the family footsteps (her older brothers are an HK91 and an HK93) of fine “assault rifles”.

    The PROP (People’s Republic Of Philadelphia) is safer for her arrival.

    Long live the second amendment, and woe be unto anyone foolish enough to break into my house!

    LC TNS

  10. 10
    LC Brendan growls and barks:

    Hey, I liked “Day after Tomorrow”.

    Great work of fiction:)

    (Some good special effects, a great tidal wave scene and the iced over New York was right out of Planet of the Apes..remember the ruined city?)

    As for it’s “message”….

    MEH :p

  11. 11
    Luna Chiroptera growls and barks:

    You people make me sick!

    You obviously have no concern for what the human race is doing to this planet, and you’re so blind to the truth that you ridicule those of us who do love and respect Mother Earth, the great goddess Gaea who is the source of ALL LIFE.

    The spread of Western industrial civilization is destroying the rain forests, devastating the oceans, and driving the whole ecosystem towards mass extinction. Global warming IS a serious problem, and it is irresponsible to make light of it. The oceans are rising at a rate of two inches per year! Don’t you realize what that means?!

    The comfortable, air-conditioned summer beach houses that you bought with all the filthy profits you’ve made from raping Gaea won’t be much good to you when the coastlines begin to sink, will they? Your gas-guzzling SUVs won’t work as submarines, people! WAKE UP!

    It’s really depressing to see people so blind to the truth. Michael Crichton’s “State of Fear” belittles and denies the truth, and you applaud him for it! Disgusting!

  12. 12
    Verbena growls and barks:

    *GASP!* How DARE you blaspheme against the almighty power of Mother Gaea! She is omnipotent, everpresent, the supreme being of our world! You tree-huggers don’t even realize that the incredible power of almighty Gaea is far more than we mere humans could ever hope to destroy. The notion that mere human inventions–cars, factories, etc.–could possibly harm Her is truly unbelievable, and the tree-huggers claim far too much power unto themselves, when they can only claim to be one with Her by trusting in Her plan for all of us. Now, mind you, it IS incumbent upon all of us to ensure that WE are not killed by our own pollutants, and that is our own problem. She is nothing if not practical. But the mere notion that we could harm the great Mother by our own actions is sad, sad indeed.

  13. 13
    robert in england growls and barks:

    Oh by the way Loony Clodhopper(whatever), Forests only produce oxygen when the sun shines. At night, they transpire, the process runs in reverse, and they produce carbon dioxide. This is grade school biology. The oxygen producers are the Phytoplankton in the oceans, you know, the stuff your friendly whales eat. Get a real science book from the library (basically one written before about 1976)read it and then comment.

  14. 14
    Louis' Lues growls and barks:

    Whoa, folks, Luna chiroptera = moon bat.

    That was parody – check the e-mail address.

  15. 15
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    The part of the Great Global Warming Freakout that I accept is on the effect end, i.e. a massive melt of Arctic and Greenland ice could well shut the Atlantic Conveyor, leading into a big freeze.
    The part I DON’T buy is on the causation end. Drastic temperature swings came and went geologically with a frightening randomness and stunning frequency, and only during the last 10,000 years has there been any long-term stability, really to the point that it’s the anomaly in which we have been living, not the normal state at all.
    The models laying the blame on humans appear to rely on consistent solar radiation, which also seems to be very much not true. Even if the Feakout Brigfade were right (aside from those teensy geological-scale temperature history and modeling assumption problems) there wouldn’t be a friggin’ thing we could do at this point without euthanising about 3/4 of the world population in some quiet, non-polluting way, and the only option would be buying land in the southern US located 300 feet or so above current mean sea level.

  16. 16
    syn growls and barks:

    What “Gaia-worshipping academics” fail to grasp is that they would never survive Gaia’s wrath without those tools of civilization they seem to hate.

    Crichton also said “Civilization protects us from nature”.

    “Gaia-worshipping academics” have absolutely no respect nor undertanding of Gaia’s nature. They actually believe her to be a docile, serene beauty to be admired but the reality is Gaia is an unforgiving, ruthless force capable of killing without mercy.

    Back in the 70′s we were told we were going to die from the Ice Age caused by our pollution, will since that did not happen, we are now told we will die from Global Warming casued by our pollution. What angers me is the attempt to force unfounded hysteria upon reason whereby causing misery for millions.

    Another event which angers me is that Environmental Imperialists are killing millions of human beings around the world in order to support Gaia’s ruthless and unforgiving nature. Let all the “Gaia-worshipping academics” live amongst her nature and watch how just how loving she will be towards them. The “Gaia-worshipping acedemics” believe in a world that is ruthless, barbaric and most would not survive beyond a week of such a life.

  17. 17
    LC Wil growls and barks:

    Luna – DON’T DO THAT – please – it’s too damn early in the morning….

    Until my Latin Translator kicked in, I nearly choked on my coffee, and the first cup ain’t hit the wet CPU yet!

    For the SF fans on board today, may I recommend “Fallen Angels” by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle and Michael Flynn. Old one (first published in early 90′s), but available FREE (gratis – cheap even) at http://www.baen.com.

    Sub Story contained within is about how “global warming” is holding off the coming Ice Age, and when greenhouse gasses are stopped, the world starts to freeze. As part of the story, the Canadian glaciers are south of Chicago.

    Of course the MoonBats went absolutely ApeShit crazy when this one was published.

    “Proud Charter Member of the VRWC since 1964.”

  18. 18
    Walter E. Wallis growls and barks:

    Global warming and global cooling were both inventions of the same, grant lusting academic. The cure for both, interestingly, is massive control over the economy and individual choice. Massive controls administered by your friendly local academic, of course.
    Since Carl Sagan started it, lying “science” in a “good cause” has really caught on. I guess fewer people paid attention to high school science than I expected.

  19. 19
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    Global warming my big butt.

    What we’re experiencing is more of a normal, cyclical period of warmer AND cooler weather (extremes in both winter and summer conditions) caused by the Earth’s wobble, axial tilt, and precession.

    Basically, a Milankovitch cycle:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    See also:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession

    We may be experiencing some man-made effects that are perhaps exacerbating these normal, cyclical changes to some degree, but they are probably miniscule in the larger perspective.

  20. 20
    Leslie Bates growls and barks:

    So anyway I started writing a rant (that’s a bit OT here) about the apparent unfairness of comparing Michael Moore to the late Leni Riefenstahl, it went like this:

    The millionaire Marxist propagandist Michael Moore is constantly being compared to or even called the successor to Leni Riefenstahl. I believe that these labels are grossly unfair the late Frau Riefenstahl.

    Comrade Moore has, over the course of career, emitted a pottage of distortions and outright lies whereas Frau Riefenstahl in her most infamous film, Triumph of the Will, provides an accurate view of what was at the time the embodiment of the socialist ideal, the mass of uniform drones robotically marching in blind obedience to a single will as embodied in the leader. As one of the unacknowledged predecessors of the Fuherer, Woodrow Wilson, put it: “Conformity will be the only virtue and any man who refuses to conform will have to pay the penalty.”

    It was in that film that Frau Liefenstahl gave us four hours, FOUR F***ING HOURS, of a boring but accurate display of souless conformity. That damned thing literally put me to sleep.

    Needless to say after the fall of the NSDAP from power the present day left found it necessary to tone down the external indicators of ideological conformity. Even though the massive formations of well-bathed and smartly uniformed drones have been replaced by an undisciplined mob of hygenically-challenged and ragged savages, the ultimate goal remains the same, the destruction of a free civilization and erection of a collectivist hive state subject to a single will.

    It was at this point that I realized that if I saw the issue in terms of their ultimate goal, the destruction of civilization, that I was in error in standing up for Frau Liefenstahl.

    In the immortal words of Emily Littella: Never mind.

  21. 21
    Redneck_Canuck growls and barks:

    I’ll go these left wing “Know-it-FUCKING-alls” one better. The the follwing website details how the sun has increased in temperature .5 % per decade since scientists have been recording this data. So as for these simps ascertian that man is solely to blame for the Earth’s climate change, read something that that FAT greasy snake oil chimp (aka “I lick my own hole Moore”)hasn’t fabricated. As for the “acedemics” spouting this junk, get a real degree.

    “http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html

    Proudly a hanger-on of the VRWC

  22. 22
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    As if the climate changes aren’t worrisome enough, how about the possibility of POLE SHIFT? We do know that earth’s magnetic poles have reversed cyclically through time .. what if we happen to catch one in our lifetime?

    There’s a nightmare scenario for everyone. LOL

    http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/03/20/north.pole/

    See also:
    http://www.huttoncommentaries.com/PSResearch/PS_Precursor/possible_precursor.htm

    And:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/2889127.stm

    Etc.

  23. 23
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Of course the movement of the magnetic north pole and any pole shift will be blamed on the U.S. and President Bush.

    Wait for it. You know it’s coming.

    ;)

  24. 24
    KES growls and barks:

    LC Will and everyone- Please be cautious in your forgivness of Luna. I understand that this particular poster was joking (and a rather good joke too-love the name) but, I’ve got an Environmental Policy degree from KU. I’m now working in the computer field because I couldn’t tolerate the real people who actually feel that way. I’ve been eagerly awaiting MC’s book because it’s exactly what I tried to convince my professors and co-eds to understand. Belive me when I say there are WAY TOO MANY people out there who ACTUALLY BELIEVE the way that Luna ‘says’ she’s believes.

    Whether the environment is changing or not is not the issue. It always has and always will change. We’ll go through more ice ages and more saunas as the millena pass. The thing we’ve got to realize is, if we want the human species to survive more than a few 1000 years, we need to create MORE technology to help us adapt to those changes. Going back to an ‘earth-friendly’ way of life (as the tree huggers would like) would be like shooting ourselves in the foot. Does anyone belive that we’ll all spontaneously grow extra body hair, should heating oil be banned?

    Agreeing to wide-arching reforms like Kyoto will cripple our industries and businesses, making them LESS CAPABLE of responding to any environmental demands.

    As to the debate about ‘fear’… I agree that there is a fine line between being well educated about a potential threat and being paranoid about it. My particular take is that the American masses ‘fear’ that we’ll be looked down upon and/or blamed by the rest of the world, for anything bad that may happen (environmentally, politically, socially, economically, etc…). This fear (rightly or wrongly) spills over into our individual consciousness. We need to wake up and realize that the USA is a small fraction within the great masses of humanity. If some small island in the Pacific is flooded by sea level rise there are thousands if not millions of factors that influenced that. The US deciding whether companies can discharge 100 parts per million or 200 ppm of some gas or toxin is a miniscue influence to the earth en-mass. Note, this does NOT mean that I think these issues should be dismissed on a local basis. The same difference between 100ppm and 200ppm could greatly impact a local community, depending on what it is specifically that’s being proposed. But, to imply that we’re killing the earth with such decisons is ludicrous.

  25. 25
    billhedrick growls and barks:

    You know I remember reading that Mars is warming as well, Damn those Maritans for not adopting the Kyotoa accords!

  26. 26
    billhedrick growls and barks:

    Martians, PIMF

  27. 27
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    Elephant Man,

    Of course, we’ll be blamed! LOL

    We’ve created such an attractive society and culture, with our freedom, democracy, tolerance, and economy and all, that people are flocking by the millions to our little spot on the globe.

    The weight of all these people, and the houses they live in, and the buildings/ roads/ infrastructure needed to support them, is trememdous, and quite frankly, the Earth is off balance, and well … you know what happens then.

    LOL

  28. 28
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    Precisely, KES. I’m glad to see an environmental scientist that actually adheres to the scientific principle, and exhibits common sense. Bravo!

  29. 29
    Jim growls and barks:

    “in a hundred years Toronto will be as warm as Detroit”

    can’t we speed it up? it’s -23 in Toronto today.

    Jim
    Toronto

  30. 30
    spc67 growls and barks:

    While Chrishton’s demolition of Global Warming was good fun, and the demise of the Martin Sheen character was, well, delicious, the more interesting notion was the “state of fear.” Crichton contends that when the Berlin Wall fell, the elites of society had to create new vehicles for controlling the population. What sprang up in the place of the military industrial complex? The media/legal complex. That group constantly seeks to identify diseases, conditions, events to keep the population cowed.

    HMMMMMMM

  31. 31
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    For the SF fans on board today, may I recommend “Fallen Angels” by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle and Michael Flynn.

    You may and you would do well to. Excellent book, amusing read. My favorite bit was the college underground Science Fiction fan club whose cover identity was a fraternity — Psi Phi.

  32. 32
    LC Bruiser, the Collector and Enforcer growls and barks:

    Posessing a Bachelor of Science degree in Meteorology myself, I believe that I am credentialed enough to comment in this thread.

    I too have seen the absolute hysteria of some academic types whenever climate change is mentioned. It is taken as sacrosanct at Universities that Earth has warmed 2.5 degrees Celsius over the past 50 years, and that it is entirely the fault of Man (mainly industrialized nations such as the US and Europe) and that it will continue to do so unfettered until industrialized nations stand up & do the right thing by cutting back on their fossil fuel consumption. At the time I fully believed this until my senior year when one professor actually entertained conflicting opinion without denigrating the lecturer. We actually had an interesting brainstorming session (backed up by physical calculations later) that showed with increasing air temperatures, and rising sea levels due to melting and thermal expansion, that there would be more evaporation and cloud cover…leading to more precipitation and cooler surface temps due to less incoming solar radiation.

    The Earth is a dynamic system with ever-present feedback systems. Though it may take hundreds or thousands of years, the Earth’s ocean-atmospheric system is always adjusting such that no single process can run out of control forever, and thus wiping out all life as we know it. That activity is reserved for humans and their ability to split their own atoms. The Earth will always support life so long as we don’t blow it up. That is my theory.

  33. 33
    Stormcat growls and barks:

    I cordially invite any individual who believes in global warming to join me here in Washington, D.C., preferably in a bathing suit. Current temperature at 11:49 AM: 17°F, wind chill 1°F. For those of you outside the US, that’s -8°C, feels like -17°C.

    Of course, I think Mother Nature’s hitting the bong lately, too. High 27 today (and I don’t think it’ll make it that far), tomorrow’s is 44, Thursday’s is 60. Go figure.

  34. 34
    Kim Bayah growls and barks:

    Well really, you are all so very ignorant. Global warming does too cause global cooling; I read about it in the Village Voice!

    Besides the opposite is true, cold causes heat. Haven’t you people ever heard of freezer burn?

    So, if you really want the winters to be warmer, turn off your heat, or do what I do; spend the winter in St Maarten.

  35. 35
    Gary and the Samoyeds growls and barks:

    60, Stormcat? Today in Tucson it’s 71, but by Thursday it’s only supposed to be 52. What’s with the hot air over there? Is Congress coming back into session or something?

    Seriously, from what I’ve seen, I think Earth is slightly warmer (as is Mars). I just don’t think mankind has anything to do with it.

  36. 36
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    Speaking of cluebatting the Kool-aid drinker, I’ve once again been engaged in *ahem* “dialogue” with Darth Apathy’s resident Selenic Flying Mammal. Come Join The Fun.

  37. 37
    Redneck_Canuck growls and barks:

    I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be those freaking Asia-cum Ruskies when Canada’s parliament finds out they’re pulling the north pole into Russian territory.

    The north pole is sovereign Canadian property and Parliament will demand the US (cuz the UN is a joke) do something about it!!

    We can’t do anything to defend ourselves cuz you know our subs catch fire underwater (ironic), our trucks wheels fall off and our vaunted F18 museum pieces fall apart flying (besides we don’t allow our pilots enough flying time to be the best of the best, they’re simply adequate. I am by no means an authority, I was however raised RCAF).

    FACTOID 1/5 of Canada is Nunavit (pun)

  38. 38
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    FACTOID 1/5 of Canada is Nunavit (pun)

    Dear Lord, Redneck Canuck, not when the WotAP is in the area. He can sense fear…

  39. 39
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    Too late…..

  40. 40
    Mark growls and barks:

    The north pole is sovereign Canadian property and Parliament will demand the US (cuz the UN is a joke) do something about it!!

    Where this issue is concerned, Britain will not tolerate any US intervention. This is a matter for the Queen, your Head of State, to decide upon. If she decides to let Russia have a piece of Canadian territory, in the interests of Anglo-Russian relations, then that decision would be binding.

  41. 41
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    Brian, Lord WotAP, I went to play with your pet moonbat, but it isn’t moving anymore, and its’ face turned blue. I swear I only tried to reason with it!

    I hope I didn’t break your favorite Moomintroll.

    (“A Moomintroll is small and shy and fat…”)

  42. 42
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    Mark, the words “binding”, “pole” and “queen” ought not to appear in the same sentence.

    Just sayin’…

  43. 43
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    Bishop,

    He’s an easily broken bit of trolliness. Apparently he can’t handle being insulted, nor can he fathom the difference between deconstructing an argument logically THEN insulting him, and a true ad hominem. Furthermore, he fails to understand why attacks on his logic are a valid way of refuting his argument for what is to him a perfectly sensible opinion.

  44. 44
    LC ima mommy growls and barks:

    15 degrees here in central NJ…my sis in NC had snow today!! My nephew’s first :)

    Anyway, hubby got into a message board debate on global warming in class last week. He pointed a particularly wacky woman to a scientific paper which basically called g.w. a “fairy tale” that was really only a political tool. Instead of responding with facts (why would we have expected THAT??) she answered “Well as Walt Disney said…fairy tales do come true!” THAT was her well reasoned response!! Agonizing! A good example I think of the left’s ridiculous logic.

  45. 45
    LC Cromagnon growls and barks:

    Global warming? Where? It’s 26 frickin’ degrees in Raleigh right this minute. It was 14 degrees this morning at 6 AM. Alex, I’ll take global warming for 200. Please. Now.

  46. 46
    LC Valerie growls and barks:

    It will be in the low 70s today in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. About 20 degrees warmer than it should be. We have been having a very balmy December so far. But the wind is howling outside the windows, signaling a blue norther is chugging in from the North Pole. High tomorrow will be in the 40s maybe.

    Nobody’s bitchin’ about it. And we are all filling up our SUVs with gasoline that is 10 cents cheaper than it was two weeks ago. Yet the media never mentions the fall in gas prices…

    During a spell of insomnia I listened to a scientist on Art Bell’s show talking how Mars too was warming and that it had never seen an SUV. Thought Art would pop a blood vessel.

  47. 47
    LCNeilV growls and barks:

    Its going to be freezing here tonite in Central Fl,global warming is just another Hobgoblin of many, that scares the left.They remind me of the fooking ground Hog In Punkzy PA. The wankers are afraid of there own shadow.
    My feeling is you can only die once .They die every day ,in fear of there next move.
    Reading the paper is better then anything on Saturday night live the past 15 years.
    Just reading about the pest sufferers gets me grinning like the village idiot.(no offense to Dunmb Yeah)
    What a bunch of maroons.
    Cheers from tempeture challenged Tampa Bay!

  48. 48
    Neuroto growls and barks:

    I didn’t notice anyone else putting up the link, so this might be helpful for any of you forced to discuss “global warming” with any common specimen of Luna Chiroptera:

    Corrections to the Mann et al (1998) Proxy Data Base and Northern Hemisphere Average Temperature Series

    Essentially, this article says that the authors of the original “Greenhouse Gas” panic have been forced to back down, and have admitted to fudging their data.

    Found at Chaos Manor.

  49. 49
    R.L. Hunter growls and barks:

    Here in New Hampshire it’s -3F and 4 inches of snow this afternoon.

    Yep, sure looks like global warming to me. ;-)

  50. 50
    LC CanForce101 growls and barks:

    It was -30C (-22F) today in Ottawa, -44C (-47.2F) with windchill.

    Almost had to work outside today except the POL shed lock was frozen solid and I didn’t want to be the one to take a torch to it to warm it up (you know, since POL and open flame don’t mix).

    Global Warming MY ASS!!!

  51. 51
    LC the Humble Devildog growls and barks:

    We had a heat wave here in CheddarLand…it got up to 28F today. Positively balmy.

    I wish I could provide a source link, but, I’ve heard that the world is about 20 degrees (F) COLDER now than it was in the Middle Ages…no global disasters during the MA, so, we’ve got quite a ways to go before we have to worry.

  52. 52
    LC Mary in L.A. G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Heh. Even my moonbat Kerry-voting Bush-bashing friends (yes, I do have a few o’ those…) pointed ‘n’ laughed at the completely cockeyed “science” that went into “The Day After Tomorrow.” They especially laughed at the “cold vortex from the troposphere” (I hope that’s right — I didn’t see the movie) that crept slowly down a corridor, sucking all the heat out of everything it touched — but the heroes were safe, because they were (get this) standing by a fire in a fireplace. I guess vortices from the troposphere don’t do chimneys… :-P

  53. 53
    LC Cromagnon growls and barks:

    Pole shift? Who mentioned pole shift? You know what’ll happen if the poles shift, don’t you? Whattaya mean you don’t know? Didn’t you watch Waterworld? Yeah, I know, supposedly a stinko movie, but I like it. Anyway, if the poles do shift, global warming is going to be the least of our problems.

  54. 54
    Neuroto growls and barks:

    End-of-the-world movies are cool. I’d like to see a remake of the Omega Man, which was a remake of 1964′s L’Ultimo uomo della Terra which starred Vincent Price, laboring away killing the results of a plague which turned Italians into vampire zombies, although handicapped by the lack of a mega-cool Smith&Wesson M-76 SMG, which greatly streamlined the task for Charlton Heston in the Omega Man.

    Charlton Heston’s vampire zombies were a pack of self-righteous anti-technology crusaders, beavering away to recreate the 8th century in downtown Los Angeles, so hating them isn’t a hard chore. Vincent Price’s vampire zombies didn’t mind using technology at all, so I couldn’t work up much dislike for them, and in the bargain looked damned good doing it (being Italian and all), so he probably didn’t mind lacking firepower, at least from an esthetic standpoint. One exception to the Eye-tye vampire zombies’ sense of style was their unforgivably goofy looking submachine guns, which only prove the pointlessness of avant-garde design in a post-apocalyptic nightmare.

    Anyway, I see a desperately lonely, dispirited Bruce Willis fighting off hordes of mutated members of MoveOn.org and Earth First, after the latter, attempting to smuggle SARS-carrying gerbils through San Francisco International Airport (using a predictible technique), to exact revenge for the rape, by greedy Bush campaign contributors, of Mother Gaia, are forced to lay over for the night, and there is an accidental ‘release’ of a gerbil into the San Francisco dance club scene, with the attendant mutations in that fertile Petri dish of dating.

    I haven’t worked out much after that, but I have in mind a desperate race to find a cure for Laura Ingraham (maybe Ann Coulter or that really fine Canadian chick who appears on Dennis Miller) before her infection reaches Tertiary Stage and she starts speaking at “Free Pablo Paredes” rallies in San Diego.

  55. 55
    kschlenker growls and barks:

    That Heston movie was based on “I am Legend” by Richard Matheson. It was pretty okay for an end of the world movie.

    As far as The Day After Tomorrow–I have that on the DVR before making it into a VHS for my mom. I have tried to watch it about a dozen times now, and still can’t sit through it. Maybe I have let my subscription to The New Scientist lapse (I still get my Discovery and SciAm–I’m not crazy), but I think Independence Day is just as likely as The Day After Tomorrow. Plus Independence Day has aliens. Aliens are always cool–Emmerich needs to get back to doing bug-eyed monsters.

  56. 56
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    LC Cromagnon-

    You know what’ll happen if the poles shift, don’t you?

    OK, I’ll admit that I saw this on PBS, among other sources… but at the current moment the north and south magnetic poles ARE shifting. The complete magnetic field of Earth is collapsing and soon (10, 20 50, 100 years, I don’t remember..) North will be South and vice-versa….happens every 25 or 50 thousand years I guess ( Sorry about the vague facts; I left the short term memory somewhere and can’t find it..!)

    No worries though; Just turn your compass upside down..! Now as far as satellites and any other things we use that involve electromagnetic radiation…basically GPS, cell phones, TV’s, and anything else electronic, well, cross your fingers…

  57. 57
    Bill H growls and barks:

    Oh by the way Loony Clodhopper(whatever),
    Posted by robert in england at December 20, 2004 06:27 AM

    Whoa, folks, Luna chiroptera = moon bat.
    That was parody – check the e-mail address.
    Posted by Louis’ Lues at December 20, 2004 06:38 AM

    Don’t feel badly, Robert. I was taken in by Luna’s
    Lunacy too, until B.C. helpfully clued me in…
    I’ve since learned to *ahem* appreciate it.

  58. 58
    robert in england growls and barks:

    Yeah, I thought a chiroptera was a moth or some such. :)

  59. 59
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    In the process of shifting or not, the magnetic field has apparently weakened appreciably over the last century or two, by about 15% IIRC. I don’t think they know for sure whether it’s just fluctuation or the start of an actual shift, though.
    The main geophysical effect I’ve heard from a magnetic field collapse/shift would be that the planet’s ability to shrug off cosmic radiation would cease until the field re-established. While that would no doubt have some drastic effects, it would not be on the scale of mass extinction but a pretty mutagenic period with the oncologists becoming mighty busy…and large sales of lead jocks for men and lead shorts for women.

  60. 60
    Walter E. Wallis growls and barks:

    The chief fault of Kyoto was its failure to acknowledge that, whatever the future climate changes, mankind’s only hope was a prosperous, vigorous United States.
    Many of the changes mandate by Kyoto were net losses to the economy, kind of like burnt offerings on the altar of Gaia.

  61. 61
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    Global warming, cataclysmic climate change, pole shifts, crustal displacement, alien invasions, etc.

    The Mayan calendar points to 2012 as when something major will occur.

    Isn’t that about right for a Hillary POTUS run? LOL

  62. 62
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    Besides the faulty science it was based on, the chief shortcoming of Kyoto was in its unfair treatment and penalizing of the United States, while ignoring the pollution and emissions coming from “developing” nations like Eastern Europe, China, and others.

  63. 63
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    Have to agree about Kyoto, we would have to be totally insane to go with that (therefore, it’s obvious why the Gorebot signed on to it). We’d essentially be asked to shut down our economy into Depression mode, or go to such high-end, high-tech that it would double the cost of goods and services overnight (probably still leading to economic disaster but by a more scenic route), so that China could continue to run 1890-technology blast furnaces. Even if everything in it could magically come to pass and the Global Warming Shrieking Moonbats were absolutely right about it all being Man’s (but not Woman’s) fault (cough-bullshit-cough), we’d still be too far down the road to stop it now, let alone reverse it, under their models. So what’s the frickin’ point of doing that, even accepting all their BS for the sake of argument?

  64. 64
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Oy. Idiocy abounds. The Earth has it’s own cycles of heating and cooling that have nothing to do with man. 12,000 years ago there was a great Ice Age, and things have been getting gradually warmer ever since. Unless our “evil polluting greenhouse gasses” can travel back in time, then man-made global warming is a crock of bullshit.

    To be fair I don’t doubt that man made pollution does have some miniscule effect on the environment. One need only look at the pictures of forests covered in black soot from the late 1800′s. But all in all, such pollution doesn’t have the capacity to destroy the Earth as leftists would have you believe. Sure, 1800′s industrial society may have blackened a few square miles of forest. But compare to Mt. St. Helens in 1980, which decimated thousands of square miles with a single eruption.

    Not to mention as our technology becomes more and more advanced, our machines and factories create less and less pollution. Compare your 2005 Honda to… say… your 1960 Chevy. So even with the minimal impact we might have, it’s a problem that’s taking care of itself with the progression of technology.

    Increased environmental regulation, protests to save some subspecies of dung beetle, and general liberal propaganda isn’t doing anyone any good.

    When I lived in California, there was a move to try and build a new freeway to help fix the traffic problems on some of the other freeways. these roads had traffic that was backed up for sometimes two or three hours in the morning. But liberals opposed the construction of the freeway saying that it would make people want to drive more and pollute more.

    Ironically, cars create more pollution when they are idling than when they are actually moving (especially if they are idling for 2-3 hours). So by opposing the construction of the freeway, liberals were actually pushing to INCREASE pollution. Unfortunately this is typical liberal stupidity, they never think anything through and just want to claim the sky is falling like Chicken Little.

  65. 65
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    Well, we could always use Michael Moore as a “planetary model” give his *ahem* girth er, stature.

    Given the amount of noxious gas he emits, I imagine he’s suffering from a form of global warming.

    All that needs to be done is to “clean him up” and change his diet to reduce his toxic emissions. Then monitor his “sweat rate”.

    If he sweats less and the gasses are reduced. Then we’ll know that global warming is indeed a fact and act accordingly.

    However, the test can’t be skewed by taking a Kyoto-like approach. For instance, cutting M.M.’s intake of 10 cans of Hormel chile or Van Camp baked beans down to 4 cans won’t give accurate results. Also, he’ll have to be scrubbed down with soap , just pouring a bucket of water over his head will not do.

    Through science, we’ll build a better tomorrow!

    (Still working on how to get Michael Moore’s magnetic poles to shift.)

    ;)

  66. 66
    Elephant Man growls and barks:

    The hilarious part of this “global warming” scare is that the enviro-nuts were predicting “global cooling” and an ice age back in 1975.

    Much like today, the “experts” pointed to ominous signs……..

    Remember, they said ominous.

    That must mean it’s true!

  67. 67
    LC GreatDane growls and barks:

    Human activity causes 20 billion tons of C02 per year.

    All organic life causes C02 release through metabolism.

    Termites ALONE cause 50 billion tons of C02 per year – 2.5 times as much. Termites.

    Kyoto my ass.

  68. 68
    fdcol63 growls and barks:

    Like Jupiter and Saturn, Michael Moore is a GASEOUS GIANT.

    LOL

  69. 69
    LC GreatDane growls and barks:

    #1 Helmsman: Get a life.

    Is this some new trend at Nicedoggie’s?

  70. 70
    LC Bruiser, Enforcer of the Red (State) Army growls and barks:

    In order to keep us from looking like a bunch of idiots, keep in mind that the global warming debate involves climate change, not day-to-day fluctuations of extreme temperatures. If I see one more of my fellow LC’s commenting about global warming is bullshit because it is so cold in Canada today, I will FedEx you a bitchslap.

    With that being said, another one of my undergraduate theories that I had formulated (but was lampooned by my liberal professors) was that the “hard data” showing steady temperature increases and CO2 concentration increases from the top of Mauna Loa over the past 60 years may be from better instrumentation. How could a liquid mercury thermometer from 1940 be as accurate as one of today’s precision thermocouples? Apparently, this is a preposterous scenario.

  71. 71
    Jon growls and barks:

    There’s a hefty amount of “group think” going on here, it seems.

    God knows how Michael Moore even enters into the conversation except through the mention of Bowling for Columbine (which referenced the book “Culture of Fear”… a great read). If anything, Culture of Fear (and by extension Bowling for Columbine) are making the same arguments you folks are… media hysteria tends to blow things out of proportion and sometimes even contravenes fact to generate fear. I’m sure you’ll be joining the Moore fan club right this second.

    To LC Xealot: “Compare your 2005 Honda to… say… your 1960 Chevy.”

    The reason why cars today produce less “pollution” than cars from 1960 is mostly because of Catalytic Converters, which came out of the “hippy 70′s”. Without them, you probably wouldn’t be able to breathe the air around most urban centers these days.

    I do agree with you that technology can be both the destroyer and savior of mankind. I don’t believe the hype that Kyoto was created by “gaia-worshipping” individuals, but rather scientists who have a very real concern for the continued healthy existence of mankind.

    I also don’t believe that adopting the Kyoto Accord will crush the American economy, as many politicians will have you believe. Did catalytic converters destroy the automobile industry? No. It did what had to be done, and more cars are being sold now than ever. Will industry fall apart because they have to add some technology to their plants? Come on.

    It’s natural that industry would disapprove of Kyoto, as it might bite their pocketbooks for a few years… fewer executive perks? Fewer corporate meetings in Hawaii? Crushingly sad, isn’t it?

    To sum up: Keep learning about global warming, and make up your own mind about whether or not it’s a crock of shit. Don’t take my word for it, and certainly don’t take the word of people who have not spent years researching the matter.

  72. 72
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    “If anything, Culture of Fear (and by extension Bowling for Columbine) are making the same arguments you folks are…”

    Setting aside BFC, you’re right about CoF and this group making the same point… umm…. I think that was the theme of the post, wasn’t it, how correct Crichton is? As for BFC, I think you’re oversimplifying both Moore’s point and conservative objections to it just a wee bit.

    “I’m sure you’ll be joining the Moore fan club right this second.”

    Don’t hold your breath.

    “To LC Xealot: “Compare your 2005 Honda to… say… your 1960 Chevy.”

    The reason why cars today produce less “pollution” than cars from 1960 is mostly because of Catalytic Converters,”

    Gee, that sounds a lot like:

    “Not to mention as our technology becomes more and more advanced, our machines and factories create less and less pollution.”

    I’m trying to recall who said that.

  73. 73
    Stormcat growls and barks:

    Jon,

    It’s natural that industry would disapprove of Kyoto, as it might bite their pocketbooks for a few years… fewer executive perks? Fewer corporate meetings in Hawaii? Crushingly sad, isn’t it?

    I’m afraid you’re hopelessly naive. Do you honestly think that they’ll give up their perks? No. Guess who’s gonna pick up the tab? That’s right, the consumer. That cost will get passed down in the price of goods and services. The CEO’s are not going to eat it. Be realistic.

    I also don’t believe that adopting the Kyoto Accord will crush the American economy, as many politicians will have you believe. Did catalytic converters destroy the automobile industry? No. It did what had to be done, and more cars are being sold now than ever. Will industry fall apart because they have to add some technology to their plants? Come on.

    Some? Cam you provide me some cold, hard numbers in terms of what would be required? Why is America’s requirement more stringent than anyone else’s (and if you look at the Kyoto Accords, it is)? How about you provide me some actual numbers before you spout that line at me?

  74. 74
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    I also don’t believe that adopting the Kyoto Accord will crush the American economy, as many politicians will have you believe. Did catalytic converters destroy the automobile industry? No. It did what had to be done, and more cars are being sold now than ever. Will industry fall apart because they have to add some technology to their plants? Come on.

    Catalytic coverters were part of the package, but so was cutting engine load by drastically cutting GVW and replacing electro-mechanical ignition systems with electronically-controlled ones, among an entire panoply of changes. Of course you probably don’t rememeber the double-digit inflation from the years these changes were implemented, when car prices doubled in a relatively short timeframe more or less co-incident with Ford and Carter’s Presidencies.
    And the scope of automotive “improvability” (for want of a better phrase) is not an unbounded system. We have achieved a very large improvement, let’s say for the sake of argument a 90% reduction in emissions per average car. We are now talking about the cost of technology to overcome the residual 10%, which would be incredibly costly (say 10 times as costly in constant dollars as the first 90%) for a marginal return. It is essentially impossible to use a hydrocarbon fuel cycle which does not produce H2O and CO2, those are the combustion products of even a perfect hydrocarbon fuel cycle. Hydrogen would produce H2O only (ideally, and ignoring the fact that oxygen is not 100% of the oxidizing gas mix in the cycle, but ony 20%) but the cost of total conversion of the US motor fleet would be staggering, and nothing else comes remotely close to hydrogen as a “do-able” (I can’t bring myself to say “practical”) solution, if solution is even the right word for an exercise that amounts to carrying coal to Newcastle. Don’t even get me started on the back-end pollution load those damn electric toy cars represent.
    Now let’s look at the global macroeconomics of it. While we would be busy screwing ourselves in pursuit of chimerical zero-emission technology and making all our workforce blow their salaries on it in order to get to work and generally live (forcing them to demand much more pay for rather obvious reasons), the cost of American goods rises proportionally. Conversely, China and SE Asia, under no similar burden, continue to crank out production with no new impediments. We are either faced with applying a huge tariff to them (generally considered a “bad thing” economically and illegal in many instances under other treaties anyway), or, in effect “taxing” our own goods out of our marketplace, let alone any remaining overseas market.
    So, yes indeed, implementing Kyoto would crush us economically.

  75. 75
    LC Moriarty growls and barks:

    Jon,

    Kyoto wasn’t created by a bunch of “gaia-worshippers.” Neither was it created by a panel of scientists with a purely altruistic “concern” for the environment and mankind. Take a close look at Kyoto and you’ll realize how much grant funding is rolled into it.

    The science underlying Kyoto is poor at best and has been largely refuted while the negative economic impact is clear. The burden of proof for Kyoto now lies entirely with the minority of climatologists who accept it.

    It’s interesting that you support your points almost entirely on the basis of what you “believe” rather than with data and informed opinion.

    But don’t let that stop you.

  76. 76
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Jon,

    I do agree with you that technology can be both the destroyer and savior of mankind. I don’t believe the hype that Kyoto was created by “gaia-worshipping” individuals, but rather scientists who have a very real concern for the continued healthy existence of mankind.

    My comments about technology in no way suggest it is a destroyer of mankind. My point there was to illustrate that as technology advances, it becomes more efficient. There is no need for Accords, Agreements, Regulation, etc… Because technology gradually solves it’s own problems as it becomes more advanced and more efficient.

    All this one world order crap makes me sick.

    As Dumbass-Tanker points out, if you were to try and eliminate ALL pollution, you’d destroy your economy. Sure it’s cheap to put some basic emission equipment on the cars that reduces pollution a LOT. But that last 10%, as he points out, becomes vastly more expensive. Our technology has not yet advanced enough to make that a realistic and practical solution.

    And even if it were practical, to force everyone to do it by some global accords or agreements smacks of communism on a global scale. Our technlogy is the reason we can travel across the world in a day, travel in space, post on the internet, get medical treatment that doesn’t involve leeches… And lefties like yourself would see all of that destroyed to drop global pollution by a fraction of a percent. Hello? *THWAP* ClueBat Time.

  77. 77
    LC Walt growls and barks:

    OK, I’ll admit that I saw this on PBS, among other sources… but at the current moment the north and south magnetic poles ARE shifting. The complete magnetic field of Earth is collapsing and soon (10, 20 50, 100 years, I don’t remember..) North will be South and vice-versa….happens every 25 or 50 thousand years I guess ( Sorry about the vague facts; I left the short term memory somewhere and can’t find it..!)

    No worries though; Just turn your compass upside down..! Now as far as satellites and any other things we use that involve electromagnetic radiation…basically GPS, cell phones, TV’s, and anything else electronic, well, cross your fingers…

    The reason you don’t remember the time frame is because they didn’t give it. No one’s sure when it will occur or even if we really are in the early stages of a collapse. They’re random. Even if we are in a collapse, the magnetic poles may or may not shift (apparently when the collapse occurs, there’s a 50-50 shot at either polarity when it re-establishes) but that’s irrelevant to our electronics. They don’t depend on the planetary magnetic fields, just on the laws of electromagnetic propagation. GPS satellites will need to be hardened against charged-particle radiation since they’ll lose some protection, but that’s it.

    As for extraterrestrial radiation, there won’t be any serious effect on the ground – gamma radiation is stopped by the atmosphere, and the charged particle radiation can be, as well. It’ll be rough on the satellites currently designed to orbit below the Van Allen belts, but that’s a relatively easy fix.

  78. 78
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    I also don’t believe that adopting the Kyoto Accord will crush the American economy, as many politicians will have you believe.

    Jon, look at the Byrd Hagel resolution . Notice that it passed the Senate unanimously (95-0). Almost the entire Senate members of 1997 appear to disagree with you.

  79. 79
    KES growls and barks:

    Oh so many things to say?

    To: LC Bruiser, Enforcer of the Red (State) Army- re:?If I see one more of my fellow LC’s commenting about global warming is bullshit because it is so cold in Canada today, I will FedEx you a bitchslap.? I couldn?t agree with you more but, I?ll be using DHL myself :D

    To: Jon and Stormcat? re: ?I also don’t believe that adopting the Kyoto Accord will crush the American economy?? and said rebuttal/conversation.
    In most environmental circles there is this ?lovely? (insert dripping sarcasm) theory called ?Green Economics?, also sometimes called ?Environmental Economics?. This idea is that governments should support those technologies that benefit the environment so that they have a chance against the current, entrenched technologies. In the long run, this puts artificial support under technology that is not viable in a free market economy. DumbAss Tanker has it right when he says ?While we would be busy screwing ourselves in pursuit of chimerical zero-emission technology?Conversely, China and SE Asia, under no similar burden, continue to crank out production with no new impediments.? That?s the point. What you are both really close to understanding but not quite there is that Kyoto?s impact on economics is much more about controlling the American economy than it is about ?saving the world?. Do either of you see that this is very much like the general philosophy behind socialism? Most people who agree with Kyoto are lefties for a REASON. Kyoto itself won?t crush our economy. It will just weight us down with so many restrictions that other economies will be able to ?catch up?. One of the many lectures my professors used to give was how we (the developed world) needed to impose extra restrictions on ourselves for just this reason? or else we wouldn?t be playing fair on the global markets.

    Most people who worked on Kyoto really do believe that they are trying to do the right thing or else they wouldn?t be involved. (Grant money is plentiful but no one is buying Bentleys off of it.) Most people who call themselves Environmentalists truly do believe that they want to make the world a better place. Just like Marx and Stalin thought that they would bring about a workers utopia. What I learned, despite my education, is that you can have the best of intentions and still be dead wrong in your actions.

  80. 80
    Stormcat growls and barks:

    KES,

    Damn you for pointing out what I’d edited out of my post for lack of hard evidence.

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    Nomorelies growls and barks:

    “State of Fear” is both a great name for a blog site and a great concept for one to start unraveling the thousands of “fears” we are subjected to daily from the MSM. How about cancer fears? Heart attack fears? Fear of people not liking us? Fear of failure? Irrational fears? I think the blogosphere should blow the whistle on the multitude of irrational fear mongers preying on us as a society. Any takers? What a great discussion subject. We could even discuss P.E.S.T.

  82. 82
    mamapajamas growls and barks:

    Billhedrick: “You know I remember reading that Mars is warming as well, Damn those Maritans for not adopting the Kyotoa accords!”

    That ain’t all… there’s also global warming on Jupiter and Titan, one of Saturn’s moons ;) . Must be all those aliens driving around in those SUV’s up there! :D

  83. 83
    LCMamapajamas growls and barks:

    Whups… that’s LC Mama here! :D

  84. 84
    LC Xealot growls and barks:

    Remember kids, all pollution is caused by the Vast BushHitlerAlienNaziQuagmireOilHalliburtonWarmongerReligiousCrusader Conspiracy. All members of the BushHitlerAlienNaziKlan make sure to eat extra helpings of Chili and Pepperoni to destroy the ozone layer and eliminate all human life by raising the temperture half a degree (F) which would obviously melt all the polar icecaps and turn the Earth into a post-apocalyptic Kevin Costner movie called Waterworld.

    And also, be sure to blame BushHitler for the increased risk of heart attack for someone who eats 3 big macs a day for 20 years.

    (/sarcasm)

  85. 85
    LCMamapajamas growls and barks:

    I’ve read State of Fear, and it’s great! :D

    One of the things Crichton says that I’ve been saying for years and years is that it isn’t possible for Global Climate Models (GCMs) to be correct. There are too many parameters that we don’t know the true answers to, and it goes by the old GIGO fact: Garbage in, garbage out.

    This isn’t like sending Voyager to rendevous with Neptune. We’ve been watching planetary motion in our skies ever since we were smart enough to wonder about those mysterious “moving stars”. There aren’t very many surprises left for us in the near Solar System, so with thousands of years of mathematical accuracy behind them, NASA was able to send Voyager through the system to rendevous with various planets at given times with astounding accuracy. THAT kind of computer model WORKS because they’re based on pure math.

    GCMs, however, don’t have thousands of years of observations to back up the math, so virtually ANY GCM that has it’s system date backed up 20 years, loading in the climate data from the past, will predict disasterous conditions for December 21, 2004 that don’t exist. That is because of the built-in bias that Crichton talks about so knowledgeably :) . I’ve been suspicious of the entire Global Warming Chicken Little attitude ever since I first heard about GCMs (I’ve been in computers since 1966), knowing that the GCMs couldn’t possibly be doing what the creators claimed! There are entirely too many scientists in the world who don’t seem to know that computers don’t respond very accurately to speculation!

  86. 86
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    All members of the BushHitlerAlienNaziKlan make sure to eat extra helpings of Chili and Pepperoni to destroy the ozone layer and eliminate all human life by raising the temperture half a degree (F) which would obviously melt all the polar icecaps and turn the Earth into a post-apocalyptic Kevin Costner movie called Waterworld.

    Cool, LC Joseph Dromedary and I could bring a keg of Bittburger Pils!

  87. 87
    KES growls and barks:

    Stormcat– Sorry for any toes that may have been stepped on but, if you need proof, just take ONE environmental class from you local college or university. Please note that I tried very hard in my comments to not sound paranoid. My statements are based on my personal experience, not any fear that the commies are ‘taking over’.

    It’s sort of funny that most people on this blog (and most others that I read) willingly admit/promote the belief that lefties are all economic socialist but don’t make the leap that the decisions lefties make about the environment and other social issues aren’t based on the same basic philosophy that capitalism doesn’t work and ‘the people’ are incapable of making decisions for them selves.

    Nomorelies- Love the idea of a ‘state of fear’ blog shouting down all the rampant paranoia that seems to be consuming western society today. Be sure that our beloved Emperor links to you once it gets up and running. I’d love to say I’d contribute to it but my PC is at work. Comments in sections like this is all I’m willing to risk…for now.

  88. 88
    LC Brian B, WotAP growls and barks:

    It’s sort of funny that most people on this blog (and most others that I read) willingly admit/promote the belief that lefties are all economic socialist but don’t make the leap that the decisions lefties make about the environment and other social issues aren’t based on the same basic philosophy that capitalism doesn’t work and ‘the people’ are incapable of making decisions for them selves.

    Or maybe it’s so blindingly obvious that we let it go without saying….

  89. 89
    LCMamapajamas growls and barks:

    DumbAss Tanker: “While we would be busy screwing ourselves in pursuit of chimerical zero-emission technology…”

    This entire paragraph was interesting. But this particular phrase reminded me of something that is a bit OT, but sort of vaguely there, which happened years back when I was working at Disney World while at college.

    Sometime in the late ’70s or early ’80s (I don’t recall the precise date), the WDW company was dunned by the EPA for “polluting” Reedy Creek, a small riverlet that runs through the Disney property (in fact, the Disney property is officially “the City of Reedy Creek” for state land-management purposes… a little way off-topic trivia).

    The problem was that Disney was scrubbing the waste water coming from the theme park (only the Magic Kingdom at that particular time) to within an inch of its life, and was pumping what was virtually chemically pure H2O into Reedy Creek. The result of this was that it was starting to upset the natural balance of algae and other microscopic life, thinning out the life-giving “goop” that feeds the microscopic life, which feeds small fish, which feed the big fish, etc. Disney was required to find a way to feed the microscopic life from Reedy Creek back into their decontaminated water before dumping it into the creek in order to preserve it. They ended up creating a “Reedy Creek” colony in their labs to repopulate the water from.

    But it just goes to show that even the best intentions can go awry, and sometimes “perfectly clean” is as bad as dirty!

    I don’t know why your comment reminded me of that, it just did! :D

  90. 90
    LC Bishop, Imperial Titweasel growls and barks:

    KES, I agree with Brian B; it’s pretty much a given. Socialism is the lens through which they view all things.

  91. 91
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    DumbAss Tanker-

    And the scope of automotive “improvability” (for want of a better phrase) is not an unbounded system. We have achieved a very large improvement, let’s say for the sake of argument a 90% reduction in emissions per average car. We are now talking about the cost of technology to overcome the residual 10%, which would be incredibly costly (say 10 times as costly in constant dollars as the first 90%) for a marginal return

    OK, finally an idea I understand a bit…
    From the one or two things I remember from statistics class, and what I’ve learned from the software coders I’ve worked with, is that what you are refering to is ‘diminshing returns’. Basically, like cars, ( or software in my example), the first 90% is easy to fix, then the amount of money involved to improve the cars, or find the last bug in a piece of software, rises exponentionally. In each example it takes more time and more money to fix each defect. It would eventually get to the point of infinite time/money to get the last few percentage points..
    (Like the Dilbert comic where Dilbert’s boss announces some amount of money for each bug found in their software, and Dilbert say’s (paraphrasing) “Whoo-hoo, I’m gonna write me a minvan..!”)

    So, after all that blabbering, yes, I think Kyoto would ravage our economy. Besides, could any of the signator nations actually comply with the pollution limits? I doubt it…

  92. 92
    DumbAss Tanker growls and barks:

    Man, I love talkin’ to your guys (and GLORs). So few other places in the world where people are so intelligent, informed, AND think critically…and so many other places full of moonbats that hit one (or occasionally two) out of the three!

  93. 93
    LC mrs heather, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Global warming, my ass.

    Look what’s in my local (NW Florida) newspaper today.

  94. 94
    LCMamapajamas growls and barks:

    LC Mrs Heather… I know the feeling! I live in Tallahassee, and I’ve been hiding under my electric blanket for about a week now! LOL!

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    dave fitz growls and barks:

    For an interesting ‘State of Fear’-type discussion forum, see the Debunkers Forum , formerly Trash Talk.
    The posters are interesting and varied, and tend to do a very good job of skewering bad science.

    Of course, i can be found there too. =)

    dave

  96. 96
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    LC Mama and LC mrs heather-
    ( just giving you grief here.. just fun..)
    I’m sure it’s really chilly down there…in a southern kind of way. C’mon up to Minne-snowta and enjoy real winter! ( I’ll even vacuum the carpet and do laundry before you get here! :) ) )

    ..You know it’s cold outside when you do the trick of bringing out a glass of hot water, throwing it into the air and watch it turn to water vapor before a drop hits the ground…
    ( Yes, I too am trying to figure out why people live here..!)

  97. 97
    robert in england growls and barks:

    Global warming my merry ringpiece. Met office is practically guaranteeing a white christmas UK wide, first in 25 years. Oh, I forgot! Global warming also means cooling! sarc off.

  98. 98
    LC Denita TwoDragons, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Comment Spam on Aisle 7, Comment Spam on Aisle 7…

    –TwoDragons

    [Got it, D.  No worries.  -The Management]

  99. 99
    LCMamapajamas growls and barks:

    LC 2112 (Very nice-looking number you’re wearing there, by the way! :) )

    re: “..You know it’s cold outside when you do the trick of bringing out a glass of hot water, throwing it into the air and watch it turn to water vapor before a drop hits the ground…
    ( Yes, I too am trying to figure out why people live here..!)”

    Well, LC Mrs. Heather and I get the fun of watching the damyankees melting in the sun in August ;D. Been doing that all my life (global warming be damned! It’s always been hot in August in Florida!) Got to spread some of that fun around, don’t we? It just happens to be your turn right now. :)

  100. 100
    LC mrs heather, G.L.O.R. growls and barks:

    Well, LC Mrs. Heather and I get the fun of watching the damyankees melting in the sun in August ;D.

    I think they start melting in May, Mama-p!
    :D

  101. 101
    LC#2112 growls and barks:

    LC Mama & LC mrs Heather-
    Geez, I give you a little ribbing and you both come back at me…I love it ! (which is why I’d never mess with y’all, and tell others the same thing! :) ) )
    And I was gonna mention that it gets pretty hot and humid here in the summer too; up to 95 or 100 degrees and a 70 to 75 degree dew point, but my friend that lived down south for awhile told me that ain’t squat compared to how it gets down there…I thank the good Lord above for letting us be smart enough to invent air conditioners !
    (But, we DO have mosquitos here that’ll carry away a small dog…you got skeeters there too?!)
    Merry Christmas to you and yours!

  102. 102
    LC the Humble Devildog growls and barks:

    2112,

    (But, we DO have mosquitos here that’ll carry away a small dog…you got skeeters there too?!)

    No, depending on where they are, they have something worse: sand fleas.

    The Skitos up here are a pain, and have been known to be given clearance to land at area airports. But, a sand flea will chew your arm off, and you can’t even see the darn thing!

    Fire ants ‘taint much fun, either.

  103. 103
    LC Cromagnon growls and barks:

    OK, bad skeeter joke:

    Two skeeters land on a boot’s chest. One turns over his dog tags and says to the other, “Another damned Type O. Let’s go find a Type A.”

    Told to me by my son the Marine after his graduation from Parris Island.

  104. 104
    LC the Humble Devildog growls and barks:

    Cromagnon,

    I’m suprised you son didn’t mention the sand-fleas. After doing my stint on PI (the birthplace of REAL Marines…), mosquitos don’t even bother me anymore. The mere thought of sharing the same country with a sand flea sends shivers down my spine, though. Them little sumbitches bite HARD!

  105. 105
    LC 0311 crunchie growls and barks:

    LC Devildog

    And don’t EVER get caught killing one of the DI’s discipline bugs either! Our DI’s said that Satan hisself had sent the sandfleas to Parris Island because they bit HIM hard too! One of the best movies about boot camp ever made was about ‘em “The DI” with Jack Webb, based on “Death of a Sandflea”, but you knew that.
    Oh and “PI (the birthplace of REAL Marines…) ” whenever a boot would pull something boneheaded we’d say “Did you go to boot camp or San Diego”.

    LC Mama & LC mrs Heather
    It is fun watching the snowbirds in August aint it. Only bad thing is so few of ‘em hang aroung until then.


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